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(Washington Post)   Oh, look, another Rethuglican spouting off at the mouth about Medicare being unsustainable and people getting $3 in services for every dollar they put in and fark it, let's just sick the liberal fact checkers on him. See, I told you...oh, he's right?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 754
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2013-03-20 11:33:49 AM  
Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.
 
2013-03-20 11:39:55 AM  
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///Wait until subtard finds out about private health insurance
 
2013-03-20 11:42:23 AM  
We should be expanding the medicare age lower. We should also increase SS benefits. Cuts are not, contrary to what the Very Serious People in Washington and in the media say, necessary.
 
2013-03-20 11:48:10 AM  
Wow, subs, were you able to finish while writing that headline?

Anyways:

Steuerle said that he was not trying to single out Medicare, but was trying to focus on both Social Security and Medicare. "I think we would probably engage in a better reform if we tried to reform both systems at the same time," he said in an e-mail.

But, if Medicare is the one with the problem, why does the other need reform? And why isn't it noted that the ratio has dropped from 7:1 for a 65 year old in 1960 to 3:1 in 2030? And does he realize you don't actually get that money when they pay for your services? Maybe services are too damned expensive. But that's crazy talk. I'm sure the answer is to cut off the poor people.
 
2013-03-20 11:49:22 AM  

Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.


"I don't click any link that's not on my 'approve' list because I certainly don't want to see other opinions or understand the mindset of people that I disagree with."

This is the same narrow-mildness as the assholes that only watch Fox News.  Why not read the article on WaPo then find similar content on another site... then, with a little comprehension make your own judgement?
 
2013-03-20 11:49:28 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Steuerle said that he was not trying to single out Medicare, but was trying to focus on both Social Security and Medicare. "I think we would probably engage in a better reform if we tried to reform both systems at the same time," he said in an e-mail.

But, if Medicare is the one with the problem, why does the other need reform?


Because they don't care about reform. They care about the government not providing these services. That's the goal.
 
2013-03-20 11:53:23 AM  
"sick" (sic) = sic.
 
2013-03-20 11:58:28 AM  

netizencain: Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.

"I don't click any link that's not on my 'approve' list because I certainly don't want to see other opinions or understand the mindset of people that I disagree with."

This is the same narrow-mildness as the assholes that only watch Fox News.  Why not read the article on WaPo then find similar content on another site... then, with a little comprehension make your own judgement?


Obviously you don't understand how ad revenue works.
 
2013-03-20 11:59:37 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: We should be expanding the medicare age lower. We should also increase SS benefits. Cuts are not, contrary to what the Very Serious People in Washington and in the media say, necessary.


You should eliminate the age requirements.
 
2013-03-20 12:01:36 PM  

mrshowrules: You should eliminate the age requirements.


Medicare for all would be fine by me.
 
2013-03-20 12:03:56 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: mrshowrules: You should eliminate the age requirements.

Medicare for all would be fine by me.


We should.

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2013-03-20 12:07:16 PM  
Obamacare includes reforms of Medicare that are already working to reduce spending per beneficiary: http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2013/medicarespendinggrowth/ib.cfm   The Teahadists have limited time to get the Derp in before the savings become obvious even to the willfully ignorant.

Who am I kidding? Facts don't matter to the Fox crowd
 
2013-03-20 12:22:22 PM  
So yeah, we should totally abandon Medicare and let old people die. Well...old people that can't afford to pay for their treatments die. We are a Christian Nation, after all. Everybody knows how much Jesus hated sick people.
 
2013-03-20 12:26:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: So yeah, we should totally abandon Medicare and let old people die.


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"I like the cut of your jib, good sir!  Entitlements are destroying America!!"
 
2013-03-20 12:27:25 PM  
isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?
 
2013-03-20 12:28:03 PM  

netizencain: Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.

"I don't click any link that's not on my 'approve' list because I certainly don't want to see other opinions or understand the mindset of people that I disagree with."

This is the same narrow-mildness as the assholes that only watch Fox News.  Why not read the article on WaPo then find similar content on another site... then, with a little comprehension make your own judgement?


Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?  Well, that's WaPo, Fox News, and the whole right-wing derposphere at this point.  If people make a point of not reading their stuff, it's only because they already know that what they're going to read is pure, unadulterated bullshiat.
 
2013-03-20 12:29:22 PM  
I hope rich people understand that we poor do out number them.
 
2013-03-20 12:32:06 PM  

skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?


I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.
 
2013-03-20 12:32:47 PM  
Yeah, that's how insurance works.

When you need it, you pull more out than you ever put in.

You also make it worse when the only people drawing out are the highest risk pool around.

Medicare is a great deal for insurance companies.  They get to pass off the customers that cost them the most money to the feds, while reaping the profits of carrying only low risk customers that (individually) pay them thousands and thousands of dollars every year while only going to the doctor once, if at all during that year.
 
2013-03-20 12:33:40 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?

I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.


If that's how insurance worked, we wouldn't have any insurance companies.
Though I think I was thinking of Medicaid when I wrote the OP.
 
2013-03-20 12:33:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?

I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.


The concept of shared risk pooling is too difficult for Cletus to understand, so let's end Medicare.
 
2013-03-20 12:34:23 PM  
If we were getting out a dollar for every dollar we put in, why would we need insurance in the first place? Couldn't we just pay for the medical care out of pocket?
 
2013-03-20 12:35:05 PM  

Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.


The Washington Post? Really?

Is it because they represent the liberal lamestream media or because they once wrote something that challenged your liberal beliefs? This is interesting.
 
2013-03-20 12:35:36 PM  

Dr. Whoof: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?

I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.

The concept of shared risk pooling is too difficult for Cletus to understand, so let's end Medicare.


if the average person is getting $3 back for every $1 put in, that's not very effective risk pooling.
 
2013-03-20 12:35:43 PM  
You really should go lie down, Subby.
 
2013-03-20 12:36:08 PM  
In college I noticed that out of all the people majoring in the sciences, the pre-med majors were the greedy f*cks.
 
2013-03-20 12:36:30 PM  

Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.


WP? Sure you aren't confusing it with the Washington Times? WT is a pile of poop. WP isn't bad, relatively speaking.
 
2013-03-20 12:38:15 PM  
If we only had a system, we'll call it "single-payer" that would solve this crisis!
 
2013-03-20 12:38:22 PM  

Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.


That's about the equivalent of putting the NYT on your no fly list...
 
2013-03-20 12:38:59 PM  

Dr. Whoof: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?

I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.

The concept of shared risk pooling is too difficult for Cletus to understand, so let's end Medicare.


Huh? I don't understand why you said that.
 
2013-03-20 12:39:02 PM  

fsbilly: Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.

That's about the equivalent of putting the NYT on your no fly list...


That said, blogs ≠ news
 
2013-03-20 12:39:33 PM  
People still think borrowing money for Social Security and Medicare is a good idea?  Jesus, how dense are you guys?

Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?  Who cares if we provide massive amounts of jobs to doctor's providing them services?  Those jobs disappear once we can no longer borrow money to fund the scheme!
 
2013-03-20 12:39:34 PM  

skullkrusher: Via Infinito: Sorry subs. Washington Post is on my no-clicky list. Nice try though.

WP? Sure you aren't confusing it with the Washington Times? WT is a pile of poop. WP isn't bad, relatively speaking.


Two words: Jennifer Rubin
 
2013-03-20 12:39:40 PM  
If this headline was a person, it would corner you in a bar and rant about how the judge gave all of its money to its ex-wife.
 
2013-03-20 12:39:49 PM  

fsbilly: That said, blogs ≠ news


Neither is Fark.
 
2013-03-20 12:39:59 PM  
Is that $3 in needed services or $3 in billable procedures?

Lots of what doctors do is pad the bill. The health care system would be better off if more doctors took a salary and provided the right level of service rather than trying to bill for as much as possible.
 
2013-03-20 12:40:36 PM  

MattStafford: People still think borrowing money for Social Security and Medicare is a good idea?  Jesus, how dense are you guys?

Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?  Who cares if we provide massive amounts of jobs to doctor's providing them services?  Those jobs disappear once we can no longer borrow money to fund the scheme!


And here we go
 
2013-03-20 12:40:51 PM  

MattStafford: Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?


Your right. We should ritually murder every person once they hit the age of 65. That's the way to go.
 
2013-03-20 12:41:15 PM  
So wait, Medicare isn't holding an individual stash of money I paid in?

Imagine if private business functioned that way!

When I put money in the bank, I know that bank holds every dime of it in the back room for me until I want to withdraw.
 
2013-03-20 12:41:25 PM  

MattStafford: Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?


Because old people buy lots of things and that helps the economy. I don't understand why this has to be explained to you over and over again.
 
2013-03-20 12:41:31 PM  

skullkrusher: Dr. Whoof: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: isn't the point of Medicare to give people more than they pay for?

I thought that was usually how insurance worked, yeah.

The concept of shared risk pooling is too difficult for Cletus to understand, so let's end Medicare.

if the average person is getting $3 back for every $1 put in, that's not very effective risk pooling.


Medicare was never about effective risk pooling for the government, it was about helping people the insurance companies refuse to cover because they are too high risk to cover profitably.
 
2013-03-20 12:41:44 PM  
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2013-03-20 12:42:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MattStafford: Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?

Because old people buy lots of things and that helps the economy. I don't understand why this has to be explained to you over and over again.


To be fair, that's not the reason. If we killed all old people and gave their money to poor people, the substitution effect would equalize consumption. Doing so would simply require us to murder old people.
 
2013-03-20 12:42:13 PM  

MattStafford: People still think borrowing money for Social Security and Medicare is a good idea?  Jesus, how dense are you guys?

Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?  Who cares if we provide massive amounts of jobs to doctor's providing them services?  Those jobs disappear once we can no longer borrow money to fund the scheme!


You are the dense one who does not understand even the most basic concepts of economics.

When are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?
 
2013-03-20 12:42:22 PM  

DamnYankees: MattStafford: Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?

Your right. We should ritually murder every person once they hit the age of 65. That's the way to go.

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2013-03-20 12:42:33 PM  
Oh, look, another Rethuglican spouting off at the mouth about Medicare being unsustainable and people getting $3 in services for every dollar they put in and fark it, let's just sick the liberal fact checkers on him. See, I told you...oh, he's right?

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Nice try, trollmitter.
 
2013-03-20 12:42:41 PM  
If you don't get more than you put in, what's the point in being covered?  May as well take your $1 and stick it in a savings account.
 
2013-03-20 12:43:51 PM  

MattStafford: People still think borrowing money for Social Security and Medicare is a good idea?  Jesus, how dense are you guys?

Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive

financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?


You're right. We should let all those people that spent the last 40 years putting into Medicare die in the streets. I liked your idea better the first time I read about it, when it was called "Animal Farm."
 
2013-03-20 12:43:51 PM  

max_pooper: MattStafford: People still think borrowing money for Social Security and Medicare is a good idea?  Jesus, how dense are you guys?

Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?  Who cares if we provide massive amounts of jobs to doctor's providing them services?  Those jobs disappear once we can no longer borrow money to fund the scheme!

You are the dense one who does not understand even the most basic concepts of economics.

When are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?


Come now, he could have.  I doubt it, but he could have.

Even the guy that graduated last in his class at med school is still called "doctor".
 
2013-03-20 12:44:11 PM  

DamnYankees: MattStafford: Please explain to me how keeping millions of people, who by definition do not produce things or provide services, alive financed via a massive amount of debt is somehow going to make our country stronger?

Your right. We should ritually murder every person once they hit the age of 65. That's the way to go.


I hear there are a lot of ice floes to put people on.
 
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