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(The New York Times)   Prosecutor upgrades charges against driver who killed Brooklyn couple after noticing he is really unpopular   (nytimes.com) divider line 57
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2013-03-20 12:48:09 PM  
Theres no way he will be prom king now.
 
2013-03-20 12:49:04 PM  
And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
 
2013-03-20 12:51:28 PM  
I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.
 
2013-03-20 12:52:42 PM  
FTA: "In order to obtain a conviction for second-degree manslaughter, prosecutors must show a jury that Mr. Acevedo not only was driving fast, but also disregarded the serious risk such driving could pose in a way that went far beyond normal standards."

Too bad the guy's not a cop; he'd only get a three day paid vacation.
 
2013-03-20 12:54:35 PM  
A grand jury has indicted the driver accused in a fatal hit-and-run crash this month on new charges of second-degree manslaughter, the Brooklyn district attorney said on Tuesday.

The new charges are more severe than those that prosecutors had leveled against the driver,.......


First two paragraphs, dumbmitter
 
2013-03-20 12:57:47 PM  

Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.


What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.
 
2013-03-20 12:57:59 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.


Bolivia scoffs
 
2013-03-20 12:58:30 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.


lose
 
2013-03-20 01:04:15 PM  

CruiserTwelve: iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

lose


also, license
 
2013-03-20 01:07:34 PM  

Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.


Please tell us about the background of the victims.
 
2013-03-20 01:12:41 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.


I totally disagree. Free travel is a right. Scrap the vehicle code and treat events like this as though they happened with any other dangerous object in your control.

Kill two people with a car? Kill two people with a shotgun? Investigate them the same way, and punish based on the magnitude of your fark up.
Driving drunk? No harm no foul. Killing people with your car while driving drunk? Same sentence as drunken shotgun blasts.

/yeah, it'll never happen
 
2013-03-20 01:13:04 PM  

cretinbob: A grand jury has indicted the driver accused in a fatal hit-and-run crash this month on new charges of second-degree manslaughter, the Brooklyn district attorney said on Tuesday.

The new charges are more severe than those that prosecutors had leveled against the driver,.......


First two paragraphs, dumbmitter


False information in MY Fark headline?
What a shock.
 
2013-03-20 01:13:22 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.


I've never agreed on the Germans with anything. Well other than killing gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses.That seems a little strict for me if you don't cause injury to anyone. I'd argue driving is a right if you meet the terms. Just like guns.

/and start new argument
 
2013-03-20 01:19:05 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

I've never agreed on the Germans with anything. Well other than killing gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses.That seems a little strict for me if you don't cause injury to anyone. I'd argue driving is a right if you meet the terms. Just like guns.

/and start new argument


You do realize that the couple who were killed were Hassidic Jews......
 
2013-03-20 01:25:03 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.

Please tell us about the background of the victims.


Yeah, not really sure what that has to do with anything. It's much more relevant that the driver has past felony convictions.
 
2013-03-20 01:26:07 PM  

Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.


I don't think so.  More people are pissed off by reckless drivers than by Hassidic Jews.

"Investigators said Mr. Acevedo was going just over 69 miles per hour down Kent Avenue - over twice the legal limit - when the borrowed BMW that he was driving slammed into the side of a livery cab carrying the couple. Witnesses told prosecutors that the BMW sped past cars recklessly and, as it passed a fire truck, could be heard accelerating."
 
2013-03-20 01:40:36 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.


What are you on? We don't have any laws like this.
 
2013-03-20 01:48:04 PM  

Tillmaster: You do realize that the couple who were killed were Hassidic Jews......


Yes. Which why I made a Holocaust joke but directed it at those two groups. I think even a Jew would crack a smile at that line. This is still fark right?
 
2013-03-20 01:48:31 PM  
I don't know why we don't send everybody who kills someone with a car to prison. Unless your car is forced into another vehicle (or person) by being hit by still another vehicle, dead people are just as dead regardless of whether you pointed a gun at them or killed them with a car.

I don't give a fark about intent. When you demonstrate enough negligence and it kills someone, you're guilty of causing their death. It's only an "accident" in the sense that you didn't seek them out, floor the accelerator and run them over because of some grievance.

Maybe people would take driving more seriously if we'd punish the results of not taking it seriously more harshly. Maybe stop putting junkies and hookers in jail and start putting those who recklessly disregard other people's safety in their place.
 
2013-03-20 01:53:13 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I don't know why we don't send everybody who kills someone with a car to prison. Unless your car is forced into another vehicle (or person) by being hit by still another vehicle, dead people are just as dead regardless of whether you pointed a gun at them or killed them with a car.

I don't give a fark about intent. When you demonstrate enough negligence and it kills someone, you're guilty of causing their death. It's only an "accident" in the sense that you didn't seek them out, floor the accelerator and run them over because of some grievance.

Maybe people would take driving more seriously if we'd punish the results of not taking it seriously more harshly. Maybe stop putting junkies and hookers in jail and start putting those who recklessly disregard other people's safety in their place.


Of all the terrible law related ideas I've seen on Fark......
 
2013-03-20 01:54:23 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I don't know why we don't send everybody who kills someone with a car to prison. Unless your car is forced into another vehicle (or person) by being hit by still another vehicle, dead people are just as dead regardless of whether you pointed a gun at them or killed them with a car.

I don't give a fark about intent. When you demonstrate enough negligence and it kills someone, you're guilty of causing their death. It's only an "accident" in the sense that you didn't seek them out, floor the accelerator and run them over because of some grievance.

Maybe people would take driving more seriously if we'd punish the results of not taking it seriously more harshly. Maybe stop putting junkies and hookers in jail and start putting those who recklessly disregard other people's safety in their place.


So much this, there are no "accidents" on the road, only negligence and incompetence.  We really need to treat a drivers license like the responsibility and privilege it is, rather than a right.
 
2013-03-20 01:56:15 PM  
Scott Brettschneider, a lawyer representing Mr. Acevedo, said he would analyze the speed and traffic data at the time of the crash, as well as the behavior of the cabdriver as he entered Kent Avenue from Wilson Street, where there is a stop sign.

"Somebody needs to scrutinize what this livery cabdriver did and didn't do," he said.



And lawyers wonder why everyone (besides their mothers and most of their spouses) hates them.
 
2013-03-20 01:59:02 PM  
"Scott Brettschneider, a lawyer representing Mr. Acevedo, said he would analyze the speed and traffic data at the time of the crash, as well as the behavior of the cabdriver as he entered Kent Avenue from Wilson Street, where there is a stop sign.

'Somebody needs to scrutinize what this livery cabdriver did and didn't do,' he said."

Yeah...and OJ needs your help, too.  He's got a problem that needs scrutinizing, as well.
 
2013-03-20 02:09:01 PM  
JesseL:  Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.

Yeah, can't tell nothing from a picture
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2013-03-20 02:12:38 PM  
iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

Libertarians would never allow this, hell many of them would abolish exiting laws against drunk driving if they could.
 
2013-03-20 02:14:40 PM  

SDRR: Scott Brettschneider, a lawyer representing Mr. Acevedo, said he would analyze the speed and traffic data at the time of the crash, as well as the behavior of the cabdriver as he entered Kent Avenue from Wilson Street, where there is a stop sign.

"Somebody needs to scrutinize what this livery cabdriver did and didn't do," he said.


And lawyers wonder why everyone (besides their mothers and most of their spouses) hates them.


So if there is evidence that the cab driver blew through a stop sign, contributing to the collision we should ignore it and lay all of the blame on one person?

That doesn't mean Acevedo is innocent of any wrong but it seems like that could be the difference between years in prison and decades in prison for his client.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:45 PM  

lucksi: iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

What are you on? We don't have any laws like this.


Things must have changed then. I had an uncle in the service in the late 70's and early 80's. One of the places he served was Germany. He said that, back then, is always what happed to US service men.

/ here's what I found just on a quick google search; http://www.spangdahlem.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123252623
 
2013-03-20 02:17:03 PM  

Latinwolf: JesseL:  Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.

Yeah, can't tell nothing from a picture
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static5.businessinsider.com
So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.
 
2013-03-20 02:19:31 PM  

The Muthaship: iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

Bolivia scoffs


Next time I say, "let's go some place like Bolivia"; let's go some place like Bolivia!
 
2013-03-20 02:20:24 PM  

Earl of Chives: Latinwolf: JesseL:  Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.

Yeah, can't tell nothing from a picture
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 188x240]

[static5.businessinsider.com image 700x875]
So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.


She doesn't look all that happy.
 
2013-03-20 02:23:34 PM  

bloatboy: Scrap the vehicle code and treat events like this as though they happened with any other dangerous object in your control.

Kill two people with a car? Kill two people with a shotgun? Investigate them the same way, and punish based on the magnitude of your fark up.
Driving drunk? No harm no foul. Killing people with your car while driving drunk? Same sentence as drunken shotgun blasts.

/yeah, it'll never happen


An interesting concept, which I would tend to go along with. I guess the crucial difference is that high-speed and-or drunk driving generally takes place on public property - roads and highways - whereas one can be careless with a gun on private property.

HOWEVER, that bullet can travel beyond one's private property, so I'm not sure where that leaves us.

What I'd like to know is, say you're a rancher with hundreds or thousands of acres and you have an improved road that you alone paid for going through your property .... can you not drive as fast or as drunkenly as you want, with or without a driving license?
 
2013-03-20 02:27:38 PM  
BarkingUnicorn: Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
I don't think so.  More people are pissed off by reckless drivers than by Hassidic Jews.
"Investigators said Mr. Acevedo was going just over 69 miles per hour down Kent Avenue - over twice the legal limit - when the borrowed BMW that he was driving slammed into the side of a livery cab carrying the couple. Witnesses told prosecutors that the BMW sped past cars recklessly and, as it passed a fire truck, could be heard accelerating."


Never said people were pissed off at them being Hassidic, only that the media seemed to be more concerned because the family was Hassidic instead of something else like Latino, Black, Italian, Chinese, etc.
 
2013-03-20 02:29:32 PM  

bloatboy: iheartscotch: I've always agreed with the Germans on this. Get caught driving drunk? Automatic 30 days in jail AND you loose your licence forever. Driving is a privilege; not a right.

I totally disagree. Free travel is a right. Scrap the vehicle code and treat events like this as though they happened with any other dangerous object in your control.

Kill two people with a car? Kill two people with a shotgun? Investigate them the same way, and punish based on the magnitude of your fark up.
Driving drunk? No harm no foul. Killing people with your car while driving drunk? Same sentence as drunken shotgun blasts.

/yeah, it'll never happen


Yeah, you're free to travel; by bus, cab, train or plane.

1 DUI could be a mistake in judgement. 7 DUIs is a pattern. 7 DUIs is 6 too many. You can't vote or hold public office if you commit a felony; why should you be able to drive after getting multiple DUIs?
 
2013-03-20 02:31:41 PM  
Huck And Molly Ziegler:  bloatboy: Scrap the vehicle code and treat events like this as though they happened with any other dangerous object in your control.
Kill two people with a car? Kill two people with a shotgun? Investigate them the same way, and punish based on the magnitude of your fark up.
Driving drunk? No harm no foul. Killing people with your car while driving drunk? Same sentence as drunken shotgun blasts.
/yeah, it'll never happen
An interesting concept, which I would tend to go along with. I guess the crucial difference is that high-speed and-or drunk driving generally takes place on public property - roads and highways - whereas one can be careless with a gun on private property.
HOWEVER, that bullet can travel beyond one's private property, so I'm not sure where that leaves us.
What I'd like to know is, say you're a rancher with hundreds or thousands of acres and you have an improved road that you alone paid for going through your property .... can you not drive as fast or as drunkenly as you want, with or without a driving license?


I'm guessing that if it's accessible to the public and used by the public, it would be under the same rules as a public road, but if it's a private road on private property where the public has no right to go on, then it's your rules, that may vary by state.
 
2013-03-20 02:52:11 PM  

Earl of Chives: Latinwolf: JesseL:  Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.

Yeah, can't tell nothing from a picture
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 188x240]

[static5.businessinsider.com image 700x875]
So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.


That's a hell of a fro.
 
2013-03-20 02:53:36 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I don't know why we don't send everybody who kills someone with a car to prison. Unless your car is forced into another vehicle (or person) by being hit by still another vehicle, dead people are just as dead regardless of whether you pointed a gun at them or killed them with a car.

I don't give a fark about intent. When you demonstrate enough negligence and it kills someone, you're guilty of causing their death. It's only an "accident" in the sense that you didn't seek them out, floor the accelerator and run them over because of some grievance.

Maybe people would take driving more seriously if we'd punish the results of not taking it seriously more harshly. Maybe stop putting junkies and hookers in jail and start putting those who recklessly disregard other people's safety in their place.


7/10

not bad
 
2013-03-20 02:56:07 PM  
The baby died too, a couple of days later.    Save the courts a fortune a bullet cost less than a buck.
 
2013-03-20 03:11:30 PM  

Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.


It is getting attention because the child "lived" for a while after the pregneant mother was killed.

but why use common snese when you can rant abotu jews...


bloatboy: Driving drunk? No harm no foul. Killing people with your car while driving drunk? Same sentence as drunken shotgun blasts.


No harm no foul is a terrible idea, especially for traffic laws.

And just being drunk isn't tough to blame for accidents liek this.  A drunk guy going the speed limit who hits someoen who ran a stop and somebody died shoudl never be int he same boat as a drunk going twice the speed limit who hit someoen who didn't run a stop sign (not making claims either way about if the cab driver ran a stop sign).
 
2013-03-20 03:44:51 PM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: licence


licence: British English, Indian English, Canadian English, Australian English, New Zealand English, South African English.

license: American English.

Both are acceptable, but you appear to be outnumbered.
 
2013-03-20 03:55:19 PM  

Latinwolf: BarkingUnicorn: Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
I don't think so.  More people are pissed off by reckless drivers than by Hassidic Jews.
"Investigators said Mr. Acevedo was going just over 69 miles per hour down Kent Avenue - over twice the legal limit - when the borrowed BMW that he was driving slammed into the side of a livery cab carrying the couple. Witnesses told prosecutors that the BMW sped past cars recklessly and, as it passed a fire truck, could be heard accelerating."

Never said people were pissed off at them being Hassidic, only that the media seemed to be more concerned because the family was Hassidic instead of something else like Latino, Black, Italian, Chinese, etc.


Well, Hassidic people don't often make the news for any reason, so...
 
2013-03-20 03:58:54 PM  

Squigley: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: licence

licence: British English, Indian English, Canadian English, Australian English, New Zealand English, South African English.

license: American English.

Both are acceptable, but you appear to be outnumbered.


.............but definitely not outgunned
 
2013-03-20 04:29:47 PM  

Latinwolf: JesseL:  Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
What's the background of the victims? I haven't heard anything about them except that they were young and expectant parents.

Yeah, can't tell nothing from a picture
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 188x240]


Now that right here is a farking severe hat
 
2013-03-20 06:06:06 PM  

Latinwolf: BarkingUnicorn: Latinwolf: And this whole situation receives more attention (from the media) than it should because of the background of the victims.
I don't think so.  More people are pissed off by reckless drivers than by Hassidic Jews.
"Investigators said Mr. Acevedo was going just over 69 miles per hour down Kent Avenue - over twice the legal limit - when the borrowed BMW that he was driving slammed into the side of a livery cab carrying the couple. Witnesses told prosecutors that the BMW sped past cars recklessly and, as it passed a fire truck, could be heard accelerating."

Never said people were pissed off at them being Hassidic, only that the media seemed to be more concerned because the family was Hassidic instead of something else like Latino, Black, Italian, Chinese, etc.


Your perception seems skewed, but I can't exactly accuse you of being one of "those guys" since you haven't made a peep about the killer being named Acevedo, which doesn't exactly sound Swedish. I guess... maybe just be thankful they aren't focusing on the heritage of the accused? Or just keep doing what you do. Either way, you're not being a total douche, so more power to you.
 
2013-03-20 07:00:29 PM  

Earl of Chives: So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.


It should have been.

If God is going to get credit for any small good thing He must be held equally responsible for bad things. Every time someone credits God when their loved one recovers from some injury or illness, I have to wonder why they don't consider the fact that God let their love one suffer the injury or illness in the first place. Also when they trot out the excuse that God has some greater plans that we mere mortals are not supposed to understand, stop praying then, how dare you try and interfere with His great plans.
 
2013-03-20 07:24:56 PM  
BMWs record the last few seconds of data in a crash. I think it writes it to the key as well as the computer. So this guy is toast if he tries to say he was inside the limit.
 
2013-03-20 07:41:59 PM  

Magnus: "Scott Brettschneider, a lawyer representing Mr. Acevedo, said he would analyze the speed and traffic data at the time of the crash, as well as the behavior of the cabdriver as he entered Kent Avenue from Wilson Street, where there is a stop sign.

'Somebody needs to scrutinize what this livery cabdriver did and didn't do,' he said."

Yeah...and OJ needs your help, too.  He's got a problem that needs scrutinizing, as well.


Nice legal advice. What a dick.
 
2013-03-20 08:56:52 PM  

Nidiot: Earl of Chives: So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.

It should have been.

If God is going to get credit for any small good thing He must be held equally responsible for bad things. Every time someone credits God when their loved one recovers from some injury or illness, I have to wonder why they don't consider the fact that God let their love one suffer the injury or illness in the first place. Also when they trot out the excuse that God has some greater plans that we mere mortals are not supposed to understand, stop praying then, how dare you try and interfere with His great plans.


"My father just got out of surgery, the cancer is gone, and I just wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers, and of course God and Jesus for watching over my father.  God bless!"

Yeah, to hell with the hundreds of years of science and modern medicine that created the treatments and therapies that saved his life, and fark that cocky surgeon for working his ass off through medical school and internships so that he could help people like your father.  It's a good thing God and your friend's fake prayers saved him, because he would have been SCREWED otherwise.
 
2013-03-20 10:25:31 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: BMWs record the last few seconds of data in a crash. I think it writes it to the key as well as the computer. So this guy is toast if he tries to say he was inside the limit.


Vehicle speed, engine speed, throttle position, brake application, seat belt use, and yaw from the stability control system.  That's what I can think of off the top of my head.  And I believe all new cars model year 2002 or later have them.
 
2013-03-20 10:52:03 PM  

mooseyfate: Nidiot: Earl of Chives: So God gets credit for saving the baby. I wonder if the headline the next day was God Changes Mind - Kills Baby.

It should have been.

If God is going to get credit for any small good thing He must be held equally responsible for bad things. Every time someone credits God when their loved one recovers from some injury or illness, I have to wonder why they don't consider the fact that God let their love one suffer the injury or illness in the first place. Also when they trot out the excuse that God has some greater plans that we mere mortals are not supposed to understand, stop praying then, how dare you try and interfere with His great plans.

"My father just got out of surgery, the cancer is gone, and I just wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers, and of course God and Jesus for watching over my father.  God bless!"

Yeah, to hell with the hundreds of years of science and modern medicine that created the treatments and therapies that saved his life, and fark that cocky surgeon for working his ass off through medical school and internships so that he could help people like your father.  It's a good thing God and your friend's fake prayers saved him, because he would have been SCREWED otherwise.


Indeed, you never hear "God gave my father cancer and it was only through the efforts of the doctors that he was saved him from an early grave".
 
2013-03-21 08:28:54 AM  

mooseyfate: Either way, you're not being a total douche, so more power to you


Not from where I am sitting.
 
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