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(Orlando Sentinel)   The 911 call that saved Fark from another depressing Florida story and UCF from a mass shooting incident   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 16
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2013-03-20 09:07:24 AM
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Yes, the courageous example everyone should follow when confronted by an armed madman.

Lock yourself in a bathroom and hope for the best.  Perhaps if he had vomited on himself or shiat his pants he would have also made himself a less attractive target.

Truly a liberal hero.
2013-03-20 08:51:54 AM
3 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: and to think the ONLY reason he amassed all those guns, were cause it was legal


You forgot the explosives. We should make explosives illegal to.

Technically a gun saved the day when he ate a bullet. One could argue that , if our society was gun-free, he would have had only his explosives and probably wouldn't have been stopped before killing people on campus with his only weapon available.
2013-03-20 09:49:40 AM
2 votes:

boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.


Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.
2013-03-20 09:35:21 AM
2 votes:

way south: bv2112: That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!

He called people with guns so, like it or not, guns were a part of the solution.

/Magazine, fashion bans, not a part of the solution.


I'm pretty sure that any general conclusions reached on the basis of a rare event, however shocking, and however exploited by the media, will be unhelpful.
What is lost in this is that we do not face some wave of escalating violent crime, gun or otherwise.
Statistically, American society is safer than it has ever been, and getting safer. Maybe not quite as safe as some of our tamer partners in Western Civilization, but still safer than humans have ever been by a large margin. And even if that trend stalls out when the Boomers die, and society trends younger, there is no reason to suspect that it won't continue.
So before anybody proposes "solutions" - whatever they may be - I want to know what it is they think they are proposing a solution to.
Now, having lived through the sixties and seventies, when gun-control laws were a lot stricter than now, and even the NRA wanted to ban poor folks guns, I don't have any particular hard on against gun control laws - but I don't kid myself that most of them offer anything but psychological reassurance.
On the other hand, the people who greet any such suggestion with outlandish claims of "slippery slopes" that will end with the Constitution in tatters and everything ruined forever make me chuckle. I have seen too much political back and forth in my 63 years to place any credence on this kind of self-inflicted drama.
Both "sides" in this argument really need to take a Valium, tone their rhetoric down, and realistically assess what the problem, if there is one, actually is before we claim to have a "solution" to it.
2013-03-20 09:21:31 AM
2 votes:

Kaiku: Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation.


I work at UCF (recent grad from there) and I have friends who live in Tower 1, so I am perhaps a little biased, but from my perspective the call probably made some difference. Even though the police were responding to the fire alarm, they only knew of a possibly armed person on the 3rd floor because of the 911 call. It gave them some direction of where to go first to address the situation most appropriately. Maybe it didn't really do much, but I can imagine a lot of law enforcement agents would still prefer to have more information about the situation than less in order to figure out what to do when arriving.

The Towers have like one false fire alarm a semester, so the police department are probably used to it just being nothing and, while still being cautious, not expecting anything sinister to be behind it besides some drunken sophomore thinking he's being funny right after mid-terms. A call alerting them to the possibility of an armed suspect could have made a lot of difference in how they responded.
2013-03-20 09:02:56 AM
2 votes:
Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.
2013-03-20 12:16:50 PM
1 votes:
There sure is a lot of speculation in that article of what he "might have done" or what "might have happened".  When I was on the way to work this morning, I drove in the left lane past a semi pulling a fuel tanker.  As I pulled back to the right, a school bus was coming down the entrance ramp and merged in front of me.  If I had been speeding or if the semi driver didn't ease off ever so slightly on the gas, or if the bus driver wasn't looking, he could have hit me wrecking us both before getting run over by a hurtling fuel bomb on wheels!  I mean nothing at all happened, but it could have taken the lives of dozens of people including children!!!
Jesus, stick with the facts.  The POS had a .22 illegally on campus and shot himself in the head.  Good.  Situation over, gene pool cleansed, and not one SINGLE "BUT WHAT IF??!??" applies at all.
2013-03-20 10:02:24 AM
1 votes:
boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).

Wait, seriously? That's the "assault rifle" everyone is freaking out about?

It's a good thing the American public suffers this delusion that scarier guns are more lethal. Otherwise this guy might have used a simple handgun or those explosives mentioned earlier. If he'd done that, he might have actually killed some people other than himself.
2013-03-20 10:00:53 AM
1 votes:

the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.


pistol grip? check
magazine capacity over 10 rounds? check
black rifle? check
fake suppressor to make the barrel the legal length? check
OMGWTFBBQSCARYGUN!!!1!!

/it is actually a GSG-522
//mfr had to add the "22" to its designation
///I have one - very fun to shoot
2013-03-20 09:18:36 AM
1 votes:

Z1P2: Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.


actually it was the cops quick response that made him rethink his plan to suicide. so yes, the cops did prevent it
2013-03-20 09:14:58 AM
1 votes:

KIA: Where was the call months before when weapons were brought into a school dorm in the first place?


From the article: The 30-year-old former student, who was in the process of being evicted from the dorm, was found in his room, dead from a single shot to the head fired by one of his newly purchased guns, police said.

Newly purchased. Not brought in "months before."

Where was the call saying that the idiot was being irresponsible, unstable or endangering folks before that?

Maybe he wasn't. The article doesn't say.
2013-03-20 09:14:10 AM
1 votes:

bv2112: That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!


He called people with guns so, like it or not, guns were a part of the solution.

/Magazine, fashion bans, not a part of the solution.
2013-03-20 09:08:19 AM
1 votes:
Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.
2013-03-20 09:05:55 AM
1 votes:
That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!
2013-03-20 08:51:51 AM
1 votes:
Good thing that University campuses in florida are still gun free.   Because crazy people / criminals actually stop because of signs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJTenNzUKM
2013-03-20 07:49:38 AM
1 votes:
and to think the ONLY reason he amassed all those guns, were cause it was legal
 
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