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2013-03-20 10:33:32 AM
This guy was a UCF student, so he was not intelligent enough to carry out his elaborate plan.
 
2013-03-20 10:34:32 AM
The true hero here is the poor student who dealt with his lethal existential crisis by taking his own life instead of someone else's.

Sleep well, suffering soldier.
 
2013-03-20 10:41:47 AM

kingflower: This guy was a UCF student, so he was not intelligent enough to carry out his elaborate plan.


1. Get lots of guns.
2. ?????
3. Kill myself.
 
2013-03-20 10:44:13 AM

FirstDennis: Still a depressing Florida story. A young man is dead.


And he had such a promising athletic career.

/supersad
//but thankfully not rapey
 
2013-03-20 10:50:32 AM
If I had to live in Orlando I'd put a gun in my mouth too.
 
2013-03-20 10:57:11 AM
What was a 30 year old doing living in a dorm? Unless these are university sponsored apartments.
 
2013-03-20 11:07:56 AM

DrExplosion: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).

Wait, seriously? That's the "assault rifle" everyone is freaking out about?

It's a good thing the American public suffers this delusion that scarier guns are more lethal. Otherwise this guy might have used a simple handgun or those explosives mentioned earlier. If he'd done that, he might have actually killed some people other than himself.


Did you not read that he also possessed a magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition, thus transforming the firearm into a deadly military-style semi-automatic assault weapon suitable only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?

/Hopefully it did not also have a threaded barrel, or it may cause untold death and destruction all on its own.
 
2013-03-20 11:12:45 AM

somedude210: Z1P2: Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.

actually it was the cops quick response that made him rethink his plan to suicide. so yes, the cops did prevent it


I'm really curious how you could  know this to be true.
 
2013-03-20 11:17:26 AM

Coastalgrl: What was a 30 year old doing living in a dorm? Unless these are university sponsored apartments.


Why, is there an age cut off for going to college?  My dad was 38 or 39 when he went back to school.  I remember, I would stay up late and help him study Greek, and that is when I got involved with his prison programs.  He would do Bible study groups and had a slow pitch softball team that would play with prison teams.  I played on the team until I was 18, then I was able to go into the max's with him.  Not kidding.

He did get a lot of classmates that snubbed him for the first couple years, by the end he was more of the big man on campus.
 
2013-03-20 11:19:47 AM

DrExplosion: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).

Wait, seriously? That's the "assault rifle" everyone is freaking out about?

It's a good thing the American public suffers this delusion that scarier guns are more lethal. Otherwise this guy might have used a simple handgun or those explosives mentioned earlier. If he'd done that, he might have actually killed some people other than himself.


I've seen nail guns scarier than that
 
2013-03-20 11:22:10 AM
The 30-year-old former student, who was in the process of being evicted from the dorm

You know, I'm a huge fan of adult education, and in many cases I think getting a degree at an older age is a better choice for some people, but don't live in the dorms, man.
 
2013-03-20 11:25:57 AM

TwowheelinTim: I'm really curious how you could know this to be true.


NPR report yesterday
 
2013-03-20 11:59:52 AM

somedude210: Kaiku: Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.

the call got the cops to campus sooner than the gunman anticipated, causing him to rethink his plans and up the suicide portion a bit. so yes, I believe the 911 call has something to do with only one death that day at UCF and not dozens/hundreds


UCF has lots of their own cops, and their quick. Response time for one of those alarms is less than 60 seconds. There's a firestation literally a half-mile from that tower too.

This call might have made a huge difference if this guy had gone through with it though. Because of it, the cops knew exactly which floor to go to, and knew to come prepared. They would grab their armor and shotguns outta the trunk before heading in, and so this call would have definitely saved lives if the kid had gone through with it.
 
2013-03-20 12:16:50 PM
There sure is a lot of speculation in that article of what he "might have done" or what "might have happened".  When I was on the way to work this morning, I drove in the left lane past a semi pulling a fuel tanker.  As I pulled back to the right, a school bus was coming down the entrance ramp and merged in front of me.  If I had been speeding or if the semi driver didn't ease off ever so slightly on the gas, or if the bus driver wasn't looking, he could have hit me wrecking us both before getting run over by a hurtling fuel bomb on wheels!  I mean nothing at all happened, but it could have taken the lives of dozens of people including children!!!
Jesus, stick with the facts.  The POS had a .22 illegally on campus and shot himself in the head.  Good.  Situation over, gene pool cleansed, and not one SINGLE "BUT WHAT IF??!??" applies at all.
 
2013-03-20 12:16:56 PM

Coastalgrl: What was a 30 year old doing living in a dorm? Unless these are university sponsored apartments.


Seriously. Wtf? 21 is the understood cut-off.
 
2013-03-20 12:19:32 PM

lack of warmth: Coastalgrl: What was a 30 year old doing living in a dorm? Unless these are university sponsored apartments.

Why, is there an age cut off for going to college?  My dad was 38 or 39 when he went back to school.  I remember, I would stay up late and help him study Greek, and that is when I got involved with his prison programs.  He would do Bible study groups and had a slow pitch softball team that would play with prison teams.  I played on the team until I was 18, then I was able to go into the max's with him.  Not kidding.

He did get a lot of classmates that snubbed him for the first couple years, by the end he was more of the big man on campus.


That's fine, but 30 living in the dorms? No. 22 living in the dorms is pushing it. Unless, like a poster above stated, they are university sponsored apartments. Also it is absolutely not cheap to live in dorms. Something is off.
 
2013-03-20 12:35:36 PM

graeth: Watch everyone go after the guns; and not the university that drove him insane.


Good point. Should we outlaw higher education or just eliminate standards so that no one feels pressure?
 
2013-03-20 12:40:38 PM
GUUUUUNNNNNNNNN

THRREEEEEEAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAA

No seriously, where is the thread about the dude with no legs and two pistols that shot a man in Walmart and tried to escape on a mobility scooter?

Somebody get that on the main page, please, that's worthy of an epic thread.
 
2013-03-20 12:48:37 PM

the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.


Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Assault rifle.

It's even marketed that way:

"The German Sport Guns GSG 522 is a great replica of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5. The MP5 has been around for a long time and still looks modern....it started in 1966! The MP5 has been used in SWAT teams in the USA and special military forces all over the world and come in all kinds of variations and caliber sizes. They've also been in lots of movies because it's one of the coolest looking sub machine guns ever created. "
 
2013-03-20 12:49:44 PM

lack of warmth: Coastalgrl: What was a 30 year old doing living in a dorm? Unless these are university sponsored apartments.

Why, is there an age cut off for going to college?



The issue isn't that someone went to college in their 30s to improve their life. The issue is that some creepy 30-year old is staying in a dorm instead of off-campus housing.

I wonder if he bought alcohol for the freshmen and desperately tried to keep up with the modern lingo and fashion, while exhaling bong hits through a toilet paper roll stuffed with dryer sheets.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:37 PM

Pangea: graeth: Watch everyone go after the guns; and not the university that drove him insane.

Good point. Should we outlaw higher education or just eliminate standards so that no one feels pressure?


Not at all; recently graduated myself--which is where my distaste for the system comes in.
Colleges have become like the government itself has become--broken.
They both are needed and originally started out serving the greater good; but have turned into platforms to increase the wealth and power of the people who run them; not whom they serve.
 
2013-03-20 01:10:57 PM

willfullyobscure: GUUUUUNNNNNNNNN

THRREEEEEEAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAA

No seriously, where is the thread about the dude with no legs and two pistols that shot a man in Walmart and tried to escape on a mobility scooter?

Somebody get that on the main page, please, that's worthy of an epic thread.


You evidently missed the previous discussion of that story, thus you deprived yourself of an opportunity to advocate your philosophy of authoritarian fascism there.
 
2013-03-20 01:12:44 PM

willfullyobscure: the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Assault rifle.

It's even marketed that way:

"The German Sport Guns GSG 522 is a great replica of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5. The MP5 has been around for a long time and still looks modern....it started in 1966! The MP5 has been used in SWAT teams in the USA and special military forces all over the world and come in all kinds of variations and caliber sizes. They've also been in lots of movies because it's one of the coolest looking sub machine guns ever created. "


The phrase "assault rifle" appears neither at the fan site that you linked nor in the marketing blurb that you quoted. Your description of the firearm as an "assault rifle" is a lie. Are you lying due to a pathological condition, or are you lying because actual fact will not justify your position?
 
2013-03-20 01:20:05 PM

Dimensio: willfullyobscure: GUUUUUNNNNNNNNN

THRREEEEEEAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAA

No seriously, where is the thread about the dude with no legs and two pistols that shot a man in Walmart and tried to escape on a mobility scooter?

Somebody get that on the main page, please, that's worthy of an epic thread.

You evidently missed the previous discussion of that story, thus you deprived yourself of an opportunity to advocate your philosophy of authoritarian fascism there.


You just made me very sad. I could have taken that to 350 posts easy.
 
2013-03-20 01:27:30 PM

graeth: Pangea: graeth: Watch everyone go after the guns; and not the university that drove him insane.

Good point. Should we outlaw higher education or just eliminate standards so that no one feels pressure?

Not at all; recently graduated myself--which is where my distaste for the system comes in.
Colleges have become like the government itself has become--broken.
They both are needed and originally started out serving the greater good; but have turned into platforms to increase the wealth and power of the people who run them; not whom they serve.



I can understand being burnt out on university if you just got out, but what would you go after them for? I'm pretty sure there is a no-guns-in-the-dorm policy. He was still living on student loans, so the financial pressures to pay them back couldn't be what made him snap. He was struggling with an undiagnosed mental disorder and was going to snap eventually.

I partied WAAAAY too much in college and was still able to maintain a 4.0 as an MIS business major, after transferring from computer science. If you're failing business, you're in a very small subset of underachievers.

We get an abundance of people applying for entry level positions with master's degrees. My distinct advantage is years in industry, not the degree. Clearly the answer can't be to reduce requirements even further, but not having a degree is restricting most people to very limited options.
 
2013-03-20 01:28:57 PM

Dimensio: willfullyobscure: the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Assault rifle.

It's even marketed that way:

"The German Sport Guns GSG 522 is a great replica of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5. The MP5 has been around for a long time and still looks modern....it started in 1966! The MP5 has been used in SWAT teams in the USA and special military forces all over the world and come in all kinds of variations and caliber sizes. They've also been in lots of movies because it's one of the coolest looking sub machine guns ever created. "

The phrase "assault rifle" appears neither at the fan site that you linked nor in the marketing blurb that you quoted. Your description of the firearm as an "assault rifle" is a lie. Are you lying due to a pathological condition, or are you lying because actual fact will not justify your position?


It's a cosmetic style designed to intimidate/give the user a set of false balls. If you want, I'll call it an assault-style rifle.

The differences between that firearm and a model with a full auto switch are academic. And this loon bought it precisely so he could murder a bunch of people with a scary black military-style rifle.
 
2013-03-20 01:35:09 PM

Pangea: The issue isn't that someone went to college in their 30s to improve their life. The issue is that some creepy 30-year old is staying in a dorm instead of off-campus housing.

I wonder if he bought alcohol for the freshmen and desperately tried to keep up with the modern lingo and fashion, while exhaling bong hits through a toilet paper roll stuffed with dryer sheets.


might be an overseas student. there was a 27 year old freshman in my class. he was from the middle east. kinda creepy since he was crushing on brintey spears when she was 16. might also explain how he was failing business classes if english wasn't his first language.


jso2897: way south: You need manpower and weapons to stop an attack.

Sure, whatever - but my point is that all attacks cannot be stopped - not by guns, not by the lack of them.
There is no magic empowering thing that will guarantee our safety in this life. Living as a sane person involves accepting a certain amount of unavoidable risk, and a point comes where attempting to do so becomes an attempt to thwart reality.


no no, he's right. it's not like law enforcement has highly trained officers in body armor to deal with heavily armed civilians nor does the us army ever get used on us soil in extreme cases.
 
2013-03-20 01:45:21 PM

willfullyobscure: Dimensio: willfullyobscure: the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Assault rifle.

It's even marketed that way:

"The German Sport Guns GSG 522 is a great replica of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5. The MP5 has been around for a long time and still looks modern....it started in 1966! The MP5 has been used in SWAT teams in the USA and special military forces all over the world and come in all kinds of variations and caliber sizes. They've also been in lots of movies because it's one of the coolest looking sub machine guns ever created. "

The phrase "assault rifle" appears neither at the fan site that you linked nor in the marketing blurb that you quoted. Your description of the firearm as an "assault rifle" is a lie. Are you lying due to a pathological condition, or are you lying because actual fact will not justify your position?

It's a cosmetic style designed to intimidate/give the user a set of false balls. If you want, I'll call it an assault-style rifle.

The differences between that firearm and a model with a full auto switch are academic. And this loon bought it precisely so he could murder a bunch of people with a scary black military-style rifle.


An assault rifle is a medium-caliber rifle equipped with select-fire operation. The firearm found is neither medium caliber nor capable of select-fire operation and thus is not an assault rifle. The firearm on which the found firearm was cosmetically (but not functionally) modeled uses a handgun caliber and thus is not an assault rifle. Describing the firearm found as an "assault rifle" is dishonest.

The firearm found is a .22LR-caliber semi-automatic rifle, functionally no different than any other magazine-fed .22LR caliber semi-automatic rifle regardless of cosmetic features attached. Suggesting that the cosmetic appearance of the firearm gives it military application is lying, and only a liar would issue such a suggestion.
 
2013-03-20 01:53:18 PM

willfullyobscure: the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Assault rifle.

It's even marketed that way:

"The German Sport Guns GSG 522 is a great replica of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5. The MP5 has been around for a long time and still looks modern....it started in 1966! The MP5 has been used in SWAT teams in the USA and special military forces all over the world and come in all kinds of variations and caliber sizes. They've also been in lots of movies because it's one of the coolest looking sub machine guns ever created. "


It looks like a swan and neither waddles nor quacks.
 
2013-03-20 02:28:36 PM

Dimensio: Suggesting that the cosmetic appearance of the firearm gives it military application is lying, and only a liar would issue such a suggestion.


It's like putting a Corvete body on a Prius and listening to people biatch abbout someone not having a reason to own that kind of "sports car"
 
2013-03-20 02:32:11 PM
Corvette...  I should know to preview by now...
 
2013-03-20 02:41:22 PM

Farkage: Dimensio: Suggesting that the cosmetic appearance of the firearm gives it military application is lying, and only a liar would issue such a suggestion.

It's like putting a Corvete body on a Prius and listening to people biatch abbout someone not having a reason to own that kind of "sports car"


That's exactly right. Because with a very small exception, people that buy a dangerous machine that is cleverly disguised as an even more dangerous machine do so to frighten other people or to act out their unfulfilled fantasy lives, and its a borderline mental illness. You've hit the nail on the head.  If I see a dude in a tricked out racing machine on the street, I give him a wide berth, because he is sending an unmistakable signal that he will engage in dangerous behavior with insufficient regard for the safety of those around him. If I found out he's actually got a POS under all those badges and scoops and spoilers, i'm going to avoid him even harder, because I know he's going act yet more dangerously to make up for the difference between what he wants his reality to be and what it is.

This is exactly how I feel about someone that shows up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context. You've hit the nail on the head.

I can't come up with a convincing legal or ethical reason to outlaw these kinds of firearms, but I think as a culture we should look down on them with great disdain and push them to the darkest corners of our society, as we do with many other antisocial displays. Fortunately, the A-Hurr-15 fringe seem to be doing their damnedest to frighten the norps out of their wits and get their guns taken away without my help.

Oh well.
 
2013-03-20 02:47:35 PM

willfullyobscure: Farkage: Dimensio: Suggesting that the cosmetic appearance of the firearm gives it military application is lying, and only a liar would issue such a suggestion.

It's like putting a Corvete body on a Prius and listening to people biatch abbout someone not having a reason to own that kind of "sports car"

That's exactly right. Because with a very small exception, people that buy a dangerous machine that is cleverly disguised as an even more dangerous machine do so to frighten other people or to act out their unfulfilled fantasy lives, and its a borderline mental illness. You've hit the nail on the head.  If I see a dude in a tricked out racing machine on the street, I give him a wide berth, because he is sending an unmistakable signal that he will engage in dangerous behavior with insufficient regard for the safety of those around him. If I found out he's actually got a POS under all those badges and scoops and spoilers, i'm going to avoid him even harder, because I know he's going act yet more dangerously to make up for the difference between what he wants his reality to be and what it is.

This is exactly how I feel about someone that shows up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context. You've hit the nail on the head.

I can't come up with a convincing legal or ethical reason to outlaw these kinds of firearms, but I think as a culture we should look down on them with great disdain and push them to the darkest corners of our society, as we do with many other antisocial displays. Fortunately, the A-Hurr-15 fringe seem to be doing their damnedest to frighten the norps out of their wits and get their guns taken away without my help.

Oh well.


How do you manage to leave your house???
 
2013-03-20 08:21:44 PM
YOU AREN'T A farkING HERO IF YOU JUST CALL 911!
 
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