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2013-03-20 07:49:38 AM  
and to think the ONLY reason he amassed all those guns, were cause it was legal
 
2013-03-20 08:43:52 AM  
Good on him and stuff but I don't think it was locking the bathroom that saved him.
 
2013-03-20 08:46:50 AM  
He can't be a hero, he's one of them there Ay-Rabs!
 
2013-03-20 08:48:08 AM  
University of Couldn't Finish strikes again...
 
KIA
2013-03-20 08:48:18 AM  
Where was the call months before when weapons were brought into a school dorm in the first place?

Where was the call saying that the idiot was being irresponsible, unstable or endangering folks before that?
 
2013-03-20 08:49:09 AM  
nope....we don't need gun control. carry on america.

we just need some straight talk, yes?

wonkette.com


sheeesh
 
2013-03-20 08:51:08 AM  
Still a depressing Florida story. A young man is dead.
 
2013-03-20 08:51:51 AM  
Good thing that University campuses in florida are still gun free.   Because crazy people / criminals actually stop because of signs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJTenNzUKM
 
2013-03-20 08:51:54 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: and to think the ONLY reason he amassed all those guns, were cause it was legal


You forgot the explosives. We should make explosives illegal to.

Technically a gun saved the day when he ate a bullet. One could argue that , if our society was gun-free, he would have had only his explosives and probably wouldn't have been stopped before killing people on campus with his only weapon available.
 
2013-03-20 09:00:26 AM  
Watch everyone go after the guns; and not the university that drove him insane.
 
2013-03-20 09:01:35 AM  
Not sure how the 911 call wouldve happened or been in time if the guy hadnt changed his mind and killed himself.
 
2013-03-20 09:02:56 AM  
Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.
 
2013-03-20 09:03:37 AM  

flucto: Good on him and stuff but I don't think it was locking the bathroom that saved him.


The South African defense rarely works
 
2013-03-20 09:03:51 AM  
little pussy should have done it. now no one will remember his name what a waste of a life he ended up having lmao
 
2013-03-20 09:05:14 AM  

Bathsalt: Jon iz teh kewl: and to think the ONLY reason he amassed all those guns, were cause it was legal

You forgot the explosives. We should make explosives illegal to.

Technically a gun saved the day when he ate a bullet. One could argue that , if our society was gun-free, he would have had only his explosives and probably wouldn't have been stopped before killing people on campus with his only weapon available.


In most cases its the threat of other people with guns  that makes these guys off themselves.
He believed he would face this issue earlier than planned, so he shot himself earlier than planned.
 
2013-03-20 09:05:55 AM  
That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!
 
2013-03-20 09:07:24 AM  
Yes, the courageous example everyone should follow when confronted by an armed madman.

Lock yourself in a bathroom and hope for the best.  Perhaps if he had vomited on himself or shiat his pants he would have also made himself a less attractive target.

Truly a liberal hero.
 
2013-03-20 09:08:19 AM  
Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.
 
2013-03-20 09:13:02 AM  

Molavian: Yes, the courageous example everyone should follow when confronted by an armed madman.

Lock yourself in a bathroom and hope for the best.  Perhaps if he had vomited on himself or shiat his pants he would have also made himself a less attractive target.

Truly a liberal hero.


1/10
 
2013-03-20 09:14:10 AM  

bv2112: That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!


He called people with guns so, like it or not, guns were a part of the solution.

/Magazine, fashion bans, not a part of the solution.
 
2013-03-20 09:14:55 AM  

Kaiku: Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.


Or being aware of what was going on with your roommate and noticing him stockpiling weapons (if out of his normal character) and calling 911 prior to the fire alarm being pulled and the plan already being underway.
Being aware of his surroundings and stepping in when it would have  been uncomfortable in the days leading up to all this would have made this guy a hero.
 
2013-03-20 09:14:58 AM  

KIA: Where was the call months before when weapons were brought into a school dorm in the first place?


From the article: The 30-year-old former student, who was in the process of being evicted from the dorm, was found in his room, dead from a single shot to the head fired by one of his newly purchased guns, police said.

Newly purchased. Not brought in "months before."

Where was the call saying that the idiot was being irresponsible, unstable or endangering folks before that?

Maybe he wasn't. The article doesn't say.
 
2013-03-20 09:18:36 AM  

Z1P2: Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.


actually it was the cops quick response that made him rethink his plan to suicide. so yes, the cops did prevent it
 
2013-03-20 09:19:36 AM  

Z1P2: Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.


Well, the call did the give the first responders the real story of what they were heading for.  However, I do agree that if he really wanted to kill someone he would've actually shot at someone, like the guy who first saw him and locked himself in a room.  Sounds more like he just wanted to kill himself and wanted no one around to stop him.  Otherwise he would've picked the main escape route and blew people away as the hurled themselves straight into his fire range.  Instead he moved away from other people.
 
2013-03-20 09:20:43 AM  

Kaiku: Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.


the call got the cops to campus sooner than the gunman anticipated, causing him to rethink his plans and up the suicide portion a bit. so yes, I believe the 911 call has something to do with only one death that day at UCF and not dozens/hundreds
 
2013-03-20 09:21:31 AM  

Kaiku: Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation.


I work at UCF (recent grad from there) and I have friends who live in Tower 1, so I am perhaps a little biased, but from my perspective the call probably made some difference. Even though the police were responding to the fire alarm, they only knew of a possibly armed person on the 3rd floor because of the 911 call. It gave them some direction of where to go first to address the situation most appropriately. Maybe it didn't really do much, but I can imagine a lot of law enforcement agents would still prefer to have more information about the situation than less in order to figure out what to do when arriving.

The Towers have like one false fire alarm a semester, so the police department are probably used to it just being nothing and, while still being cautious, not expecting anything sinister to be behind it besides some drunken sophomore thinking he's being funny right after mid-terms. A call alerting them to the possibility of an armed suspect could have made a lot of difference in how they responded.
 
2013-03-20 09:23:42 AM  

homelessdude: nope....we don't need gun control. carry on america.

we just need some straight talk, yes?

[wonkette.com image 200x200]


sheeesh


No doubt. If I had been required to register my firearms with the government, this guy never would have snapped and killed himself.
 
2013-03-20 09:25:48 AM  
But this means that several more people still live in Florida.
 
2013-03-20 09:31:46 AM  

homelessdude: nope....we don't need gun control. carry on america.


Well, like most intended mass shootings, this isn't a very good example of the problems that gun control can handle.  For instance, note:

and, in a backpack, handmade explosives.

... so, the dude had the tools to kill plenty of other people sans guns entirely, and demonstrated a capacity to obtain/create illegal weapons, so legal restrictions wouldn't do jack.  As in most similar cases, the best solution is what actually happened: someone calling 911 and the cops showing up.  That's about as much as we can feasibly do about this kind of random crime.

Gun control is more about suppressing crimes of opportunity/passion and fighting organized crime.  As far as your first-degree murders go, essentially if someone wants you dead and they aren't caught before they get out of the planning phases like this guy, you're proooooobably just going to die, no use worrying about it.  But stuff like closing the background check loopholes will cut down on "oh, I'm so mad, I'm going to go kill that farker" type of crimes by preventing people with a history of violent, impulsive behavior from owning them and so on.

Now, my personal comments:

1. The assault rifle had a magazine capable of holding 28 bullets, officials said.

Really?  28?  Not 30?  Kind of odd, the sizes I usually run into are 5, 8, 10, 15, and 30.

2. If you're failing out of a  business major, probably suicide is the right way to go for you, because you're pretty much too dumb to live, man.

Also:

Kaiku: Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.


The bar for hero is a bit low on Fark, at least in this case the dude legitimately did the right thing, even if it wasn't really at any risk to himself.  I'll grant you not heroic, but props to him for actually having read the damned campus safety procedures and following them, even if they just boil down to "get somewhere safe, lock door, put in a call to people that have guns and are trained to use them".
 
2013-03-20 09:35:17 AM  

lack of warmth: Z1P2: Story fail, the 911 call saved nobody since the cops didn't stop him. If he had decided to go through with it, the only thing that could have stopped him was someone else with a gun.

Well, the call did the give the first responders the real story of what they were heading for.  However, I do agree that if he really wanted to kill someone he would've actually shot at someone, like the guy who first saw him and locked himself in a room.  Sounds more like he just wanted to kill himself and wanted no one around to stop him.  Otherwise he would've picked the main escape route and blew people away as the hurled themselves straight into his fire range.  Instead he moved away from other people.


In fairness, you're assuming he had a room-temperature IQ or greater.  TFA notes that the kid was failing a business major and found it stressful.  An undergraduate business degree is basically and in some cases literally less difficult than middle school.

So he could easily have been truly malicious and just not bright enough to figure out where to position himself to get some good shots off.
 
2013-03-20 09:35:21 AM  

way south: bv2112: That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!

He called people with guns so, like it or not, guns were a part of the solution.

/Magazine, fashion bans, not a part of the solution.


I'm pretty sure that any general conclusions reached on the basis of a rare event, however shocking, and however exploited by the media, will be unhelpful.
What is lost in this is that we do not face some wave of escalating violent crime, gun or otherwise.
Statistically, American society is safer than it has ever been, and getting safer. Maybe not quite as safe as some of our tamer partners in Western Civilization, but still safer than humans have ever been by a large margin. And even if that trend stalls out when the Boomers die, and society trends younger, there is no reason to suspect that it won't continue.
So before anybody proposes "solutions" - whatever they may be - I want to know what it is they think they are proposing a solution to.
Now, having lived through the sixties and seventies, when gun-control laws were a lot stricter than now, and even the NRA wanted to ban poor folks guns, I don't have any particular hard on against gun control laws - but I don't kid myself that most of them offer anything but psychological reassurance.
On the other hand, the people who greet any such suggestion with outlandish claims of "slippery slopes" that will end with the Constitution in tatters and everything ruined forever make me chuckle. I have seen too much political back and forth in my 63 years to place any credence on this kind of self-inflicted drama.
Both "sides" in this argument really need to take a Valium, tone their rhetoric down, and realistically assess what the problem, if there is one, actually is before we claim to have a "solution" to it.
 
2013-03-20 09:36:54 AM  
Is this where we rip the witness apart for describing the firearm involved as an "assault gun"?
 
2013-03-20 09:38:18 AM  

FirstDennis: Still a depressing Florida story. A young man is dead.


Came to say this. Does florida ever get a non-(in some way )depressing story on fark
 
2013-03-20 09:38:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: homelessdude: nope....we don't need gun control. carry on america.

Well, like most intended mass shootings, this isn't a very good example of the problems that gun control can handle.  For instance, note:

and, in a backpack, handmade explosives.

... so, the dude had the tools to kill plenty of other people sans guns entirely, and demonstrated a capacity to obtain/create illegal weapons, so legal restrictions wouldn't do jack.  As in most similar cases, the best solution is what actually happened: someone calling 911 and the cops showing up.  That's about as much as we can feasibly do about this kind of random crime.

Gun control is more about suppressing crimes of opportunity/passion and fighting organized crime.  As far as your first-degree murders go, essentially if someone wants you dead and they aren't caught before they get out of the planning phases like this guy, you're proooooobably just going to die, no use worrying about it.  But stuff like closing the background check loopholes will cut down on "oh, I'm so mad, I'm going to go kill that farker" type of crimes by preventing people with a history of violent, impulsive behavior from owning them and so on.

Now, my personal comments:

1. The assault rifle had a magazine capable of holding 28 bullets, officials said.

Really?  28?  Not 30?  Kind of odd, the sizes I usually run into are 5, 8, 10, 15, and 30.

2. If you're failing out of a  business major, probably suicide is the right way to go for you, because you're pretty much too dumb to live, man.

Also:

Kaiku: Not sure what the hero tag is about. Doesn't sound like the 911 call had any bearing on the outcome of the situation. Even if it had, calling 911 isn't really a "heroic" feat, it's just the correct thing to do in the situation. Heroic would've been jumping on the rampaging gunman and wrestling his weapon away from him.

The bar for hero is a bit low on Fark, at least in this case the dude legitimately did the right thing, even if it wasn't reall ...


He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).
 
2013-03-20 09:49:40 AM  

boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.


Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.
 
2013-03-20 09:54:53 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The bar for hero is a bit low on Fark


Good thing, too:

Molavian: Yes, the courageous example everyone should follow when confronted by an armed madman.

F22raptom: little pussy should have done it


If the bar wasn't low these guys might not qualify.
 
2013-03-20 09:57:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In fairness, you're assuming he had a room-temperature IQ or greater.  TFA notes that the kid was failing a business major and found it stressful.  An undergraduate business degree is basically and in some cases literally less difficult than middle school.

So he could easily have been truly malicious and just not bright enough to figure out where to position himself to get some good shots off.


Seems interesting that your judgement is based on a view that his life was crap and he would want out anyway.  Which either plan he was going to take, he had to realize that his death was set in motion the moment he pulled the alarm.    Also, since when is 30 considered a kid.  I don't know about you, but when you hit 30, people stop caring if you're still alive anymore.  I get it that his life was crap, but that doesn't make him stupid just lost.  A drunken retard would've atleast fired some rounds at others before shooting himself.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:53 AM  

the_rev: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.

Calling a .22 rimfire an "assault rifle" is irresponsible journalism, and downright stupid.


pistol grip? check
magazine capacity over 10 rounds? check
black rifle? check
fake suppressor to make the barrel the legal length? check
OMGWTFBBQSCARYGUN!!!1!!

/it is actually a GSG-522
//mfr had to add the "22" to its designation
///I have one - very fun to shoot
 
2013-03-20 10:02:24 AM  
boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).

Wait, seriously? That's the "assault rifle" everyone is freaking out about?

It's a good thing the American public suffers this delusion that scarier guns are more lethal. Otherwise this guy might have used a simple handgun or those explosives mentioned earlier. If he'd done that, he might have actually killed some people other than himself.
 
2013-03-20 10:06:54 AM  
I always wonder why these deranged freaks who kill a bunch of people then off themselves don't do it in the opposite order. Well finally one of them did.
 
2013-03-20 10:15:27 AM  

nytmare: I always wonder why these deranged freaks who kill a bunch of people then off themselves don't do it in the opposite order. Well finally one of them did.


"Nothing helps a bad mood like spreading it around." -Calvin

// the 6-year-old, not the 16th Century theologian/philosopher he's named for
// the pathology as I understand it is that they want everyone else (or as many as possible) to feel their pain before they go - you can call it "making a statement" or whatever, but it's just being so angry that literally the whole world deserves to bear your wrath/pain
 
2013-03-20 10:15:28 AM  
James Seevakumaran was the gunman...

His last name made me think of the sound that computers used to make when connecting to the internet.
 
2013-03-20 10:18:27 AM  

DrExplosion: boomshakra: He had a GSG-5, a .22 caliber clone of the HK MP-5.  Magazine capacity is 28 because of the rimmed profile of the .22 caliber cartridge.  100 round drums are made for it but are expensive and not common (haven't seen one for sale anywhere, but YMMV).

Wait, seriously? That's the "assault rifle" everyone is freaking out about?

It's a good thing the American public suffers this delusion that scarier guns are more lethal. Otherwise this guy might have used a simple handgun or those explosives mentioned earlier. If he'd done that, he might have actually killed some people other than himself.


It leads to an even more uncomfortable issue - one I have tried to raise when the subject is scarey, bearded Muslims blowing things up, and it is not warmly received. Namely, that "terrorism" is an unavoidable risk attending to modern life.
As we live in increasingly crowded, alienated urban environments, and technology advances in a myriad of ways both good and bad, acts of mass destruction have become an inevitable part of life. These acts of mass mayhem are not just coming at us from bearded guys from hot sandy places whose names require a mouthful of phlegm to pronounce properly. They will be coming at us from our own homegrown political and religious fanatics, from organized criminal, and , yes - from plain old fashioned lunatics.
It's not a major risk - the risk to any given individual is vanishingly small, compared to cholesterol or automobiles or cigarette smoke. But it is NOT going to go away, no matter how many laws we make, and anything we do in response to the emotional reaction these horrific events cause will be excessive and stupid. Look at all the idiotic things we did in response to 9/11. You cannot build sound social policy in response to rare, catastrophic events.
The chance that you are I will die as a consequence of an event of mass terror is on a par with that of being struck by lightning - find something else to worry about, ignore the media fear machine, and live your life.
And if laws are to be made, let us make them in response to statistically factual problems, and not in hysterical response to perceived threats.
 
2013-03-20 10:19:27 AM  

jso2897: way south: bv2112: That's preposterous. This guy is no hero. The only way he could have saved UCF students from this deranged gunman would be if he had his own gun!

He called people with guns so, like it or not, guns were a part of the solution.

/Magazine, fashion bans, not a part of the solution.

I'm pretty sure that any general conclusions reached on the basis of a rare event, however shocking, and however exploited by the media, will be unhelpful.
What is lost in this is that we do not face some wave of escalating violent crime, gun or otherwise.
Statistically, American society is safer than it has ever been, and getting safer. Maybe not quite as safe as some of our tamer partners in Western Civilization, but still safer than humans have ever been by a large margin. And even if that trend stalls out when the Boomers die, and society trends younger, there is no reason to suspect that it won't continue.
So before anybody proposes "solutions" - whatever they may be - I want to know what it is they think they are proposing a solution to.
Now, having lived through the sixties and seventies, when gun-control laws were a lot stricter than now, and even the NRA wanted to ban poor folks guns, I don't have any particular hard on against gun control laws - but I don't kid myself that most of them offer anything but psychological reassurance.
On the other hand, the people who greet any such suggestion with outlandish claims of "slippery slopes" that will end with the Constitution in tatters and everything ruined forever make me chuckle. I have seen too much political back and forth in my 63 years to place any credence on this kind of self-inflicted drama.
Both "sides" in this argument really need to take a Valium, tone their rhetoric down, and realistically assess what the problem, if there is one, actually is before we claim to have a "solution" to it.




I think it depends on what we mean by "solution".
Society is a patchwork of things that work on different levels.

When a crime is in progress and you need someone to "stop that man", a magazine ban doesn't do much good. You need someone with an equal or better weapon to do the stopping.
Hence why we have police, security guards, CCW carriers, militias and soldiers. They make up the active response. They use legal weapons. They get to work when called.

An AWB is a passive response that takes certain weapons out of lawful hands. It's off in the social engineering area of cultural gun ownership, when people really what to know what will stop the aggressor.

You need manpower and weapons to stop an attack.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:12 AM  
Tower 1 isn't really dorms; it's apartments.  Since you have a private bedroom, it would not be difficult to stockpile weapons and go unnoticed.
The shooter was either planning on avoiding the roommate, or he was planning to kill his roommate, or anyone else he saw after pulling the alarm, on sight.  Just the fact that the roommate saw him screwed up whatever plan he had.
 
2013-03-20 10:22:47 AM  

cranked: Jim_Callahan: The bar for hero is a bit low on Fark

Good thing, too:

Molavian: Yes, the courageous example everyone should follow when confronted by an armed madman.
F22raptom: little pussy should have done it

If the bar wasn't low these guys might not qualify.


i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-03-20 10:23:50 AM  

way south: You need manpower and weapons to stop an attack.


Sure, whatever - but my point is that all attacks cannot be stopped - not by guns, not by the lack of them.
There is no magic empowering thing that will guarantee our safety in this life. Living as a sane person involves accepting a certain amount of unavoidable risk, and a point comes where attempting to do so becomes an attempt to thwart reality.
 
2013-03-20 10:24:39 AM  
They stopped yet another gun thread?

Give em a medal.
 
2013-03-20 10:28:12 AM  

way south: When a crime is in progress and you need someone to "stop that man", a magazine ban doesn't do much good. You need someone with an equal or better weapon to do the stopping.


No, you don't.

Soldiers wearing body armor and carrying all manner of heavy weaponry (including scary black military assault rifles) can killed by a guy with a .22, a musket, a rapier, a club or someone's bare hands. Having the better/badder weapon helps, but it's no more a single indicator of success than the relative weights of the people fighting.
 
2013-03-20 10:29:49 AM  

Ned Stark: They stopped yet another gun thread?

Give em a medal.


It's worse than that - it's going to be another "Hero Tag" thread.
 
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