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2013-03-20 08:50:08 AM
"It Takes Hard Work Getting Millions of Liberals on My Dick"
 
2013-03-20 08:55:26 AM
I heard on Fox News she'll get at least $22/hr to write it
 
2013-03-20 08:57:37 AM
I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.
 
2013-03-20 08:58:14 AM

WTF Indeed: "It Takes Hard Work Getting Millions of Liberals on My Dick"


Bravo, astrosmurfed in the boobies... You get a $10 bonus for that?
 
2013-03-20 08:59:17 AM
How about "Instant Karma and the fall of the GOP"?

Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.


I love having her as my senator
 
2013-03-20 08:59:43 AM
If Republicans thought Obama was bad....


Warren/Clinton (Hillary) in 2016!
 
2013-03-20 09:00:31 AM
Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?
 
2013-03-20 09:01:47 AM
ladies don't have a dick, hth
 
2013-03-20 09:03:36 AM
We could use more like her.
 
2013-03-20 09:04:18 AM

Jackson Herring: ladies don't have a dick, hth


You think the GOP reads?
 
2013-03-20 09:04:32 AM

Jackson Herring: ladies don't have a dick, hth


*Insert bad Hillary Clinton joke here*
 
2013-03-20 09:07:34 AM

lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?



Most likely not. I really doubt that anyone really believes that.
 
2013-03-20 09:09:57 AM

phaseolus: lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


Most likely not. I really doubt that anyone really believes that.


I think Scalia does, actually I think he believes that if your house is within the borders the government can take it from you, give you pennies on the dollar, and give it to their developers money for any reason they want.
 
MFK
2013-03-20 09:12:59 AM

bmongar: phaseolus: lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


Most likely not. I really doubt that anyone really believes that.

I think Scalia does, actually I think he believes that if your house is within the borders the government can take it from you, give you pennies on the dollar, and give it to their developers money for any reason they want.


nobody is better at projection than Republicans. If they are biatching about something, you can bet it's because they're the ones actually doing it. If they are REALLY biatching about it, then they're doing something terrible and we should all start paying real close attention to them.
 
2013-03-20 09:13:33 AM
Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.
 
2013-03-20 09:16:25 AM
Lieawatha
First of the Fake Mohicans
Pocohottales
No Reservations
Brown* and Proud
Liberal Voyage of the Con Tiki
Herpa Derpa and the Potato of Socialism

*This one gets my vote, and yes, I know the popular slur for Native Americans is "red", not "brown"

// just getting this out of the way
 
2013-03-20 09:20:42 AM
I wonder if she will do more to stop the banks as a Senator or as President.  If Hillary runs, then Elizabeth Warren would make a good VP and eventually President.
 
2013-03-20 09:26:10 AM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


After reading the whale report, I bet that Mr Dimon is really wishing that she had received that appointment.
 
2013-03-20 09:47:40 AM

overfienduglar: Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.

After reading the whale report, I bet that Mr Dimon is really wishing that she had received that appointment.


Jamie Dimon doesn't give a rats ass what happens. He made enough last year alone to live the rest of his life in unbelievable luxury. There will be absolutely no consequences to him for his actions, failures and deceit.
 
2013-03-20 09:49:29 AM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


This! I find it hilarious that they acted like 10 year olds, then she decided to run against Mr. Handsome and kicked his ass to the curb.

I love her. I wish she was MY Senator.
 
2013-03-20 09:56:34 AM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


yup.  And what's more, the GOP elites who tanked her appointment know they f*cked up.  not that they're ever going to admit to it in public mind you...but they know it, we know it and they know that we know they know it.

it's gotta be driving the GOP insiders absolutely bonkers seeing Warren abusing bankers.  sure, they scream about 'petty politics' and hate hate HATE that she uses her position to 'trap' bankers with 'trick' questions....but there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
 
2013-03-20 09:56:58 AM

lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


No. Now shhhhhhhh. Quiet time.
 
2013-03-20 10:01:44 AM
Can any conservatives embracing this whole "ha ha she said she's native american" thing explain... what happened, why it matters or means anything? Because as far as I can see, millions of right-wingers have been masturbating non-stop to outrage over... her allegedly filling out a form and then not actually getting anything from it.
 
2013-03-20 10:08:33 AM

Bloody William: Can any conservatives embracing this whole "ha ha she said she's native american" thing explain... what happened, why it matters or means anything? Because as far as I can see, millions of right-wingers have been masturbating non-stop to outrage over... her allegedly filling out a form and then not actually getting anything from it.


proof that she lies? I dunno. It sunk Brown though  because he tried to make it a big deal and no one cared.

she also was slow on the uptake to put the kibosh on it when it broke though
 
2013-03-20 10:09:54 AM

somedude210: proof that she lies?


I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.
 
2013-03-20 10:11:35 AM

Bloody William: I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.


not my outrage. I thought it was a stupid attack. but being a MA resident, that's pretty much it, she may have lied, took forever to talk about it and then didn't want to talk about it.

also something about preferential treatment or something
 
2013-03-20 10:14:09 AM

somedude210: Bloody William: I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

not my outrage. I thought it was a stupid attack. but being a MA resident, that's pretty much it, she may have lied, took forever to talk about it and then didn't want to talk about it.

also something about preferential treatment or something


So... no details, just the usual conventional wisdom bullshiat where if one side keeps repeating something, eventually it gets accepted?

It seems like this whole running gag with Warren has developed purely because of a political attack that fell flat but the people on that side kept running with it as if it was true, and have since assumed the worst of their vague suspicions.
 
2013-03-20 10:15:31 AM

Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.


Yes.

somedude210: I love having her as my senator


Yes.


lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


No.

Here's a helpful graphic for you to refer to before you post again:

data.attheraces.com
 
2013-03-20 10:16:23 AM

Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.


Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.
 
2013-03-20 10:19:05 AM

bmongar: phaseolus: lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


Most likely not. I really doubt that anyone really believes that.

I think Scalia does, actually I think he believes that if your house is within the borders the government can take it from you, give you pennies on the dollar, and give it to their developers money for any reason they want.


Kelo v New London

Might want to read who's in the dissenting opinions on that one  chief.
 
2013-03-20 10:19:39 AM

what_now: Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.


right, this
 
2013-03-20 10:19:41 AM
Name names Warren
 
2013-03-20 10:20:49 AM

what_now: Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.


Ah. So it's kind of a farked up reverse-double-bluff of the logic that Obama was only elected because he's black? White woman is told a very distant ancestor was Native American, it comes up as vaguely and PR-based significant at Harvard because without Obama as president of the law review it's so white you can calibrate a camera with it, and conservatives assume that all of her success there was because of affirmative action and race-based financial aid?
 
2013-03-20 10:21:00 AM
As someone from Oklahoma who always checks the Native American box on any form even tho I do not have absolute proof other than being from Oklahoma and having 80% of my relatives that do have actual proof of their native heritage and being told my whole life that the only reason I don't have proof is because of a fire at the Cherokee courthouse,  calling what Elizabeth warren did a lie is really stupid, ignorant of native Americans and Oklahoma and really just American history in general.

I plan on having the DNA test of my Y and mother side to see once and for all if its web possibly true, but I won't be mad at warren for not doing the same.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:49 AM

Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.


Essentially, when Warren was teaching at Harvard (and at some other position, I think) she checked a box claiming she was of native american ancestry. This was apparently based on stories told in her family that she was part Cherokee (I think that was the tribe). She was also touted as a "Minority" faculty member by Harvard.

There's absolutely no evidence she ever received any preferential treatment for doing this, but, of course, since she's very white and doesn't look native american, the GOP smear machine went into high gear. Brown embraced this smear and used it as an attack against her character.

Too bad for him, over 60% of Massachusetts voters didn't care about this... In fact, the majority of the "outrage" came from groups outside Massachusetts, The Boston Herald (Conservative leaning tabloid) and the piddling few Republicans still in Massachusetts.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:49 AM

Weaver95: Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.

yup.  And what's more, the GOP elites who tanked her appointment know they f*cked up.  not that they're ever going to admit to it in public mind you...but they know it, we know it and they know that we know they know it.

it's gotta be driving the GOP insiders absolutely bonkers seeing Warren abusing bankers.  sure, they scream about 'petty politics' and hate hate HATE that she uses her position to 'trap' bankers with 'trick' questions....but there's not a damn thing they can do about it.


I'm waiting for the day she shows up to a hearing wearing a WWJD t-shirt and holding a bullwhip.
 
2013-03-20 10:24:08 AM

Bloody William: race-based financial aid?


Which, BTW, only exists at individual PRIVATE schools and colleges. It does not exist at the state or federal level. Interestingly enough, it does not exist at Harvard either.
 
2013-03-20 10:24:39 AM

lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


no, that's the Republicans.
 
2013-03-20 10:30:40 AM

what_now: Bloody William: race-based financial aid?

Which, BTW, only exists at individual PRIVATE schools and colleges. It does not exist at the state or federal level. Interestingly enough, it does not exist at Harvard either.


it doesn't matter.  The GOP is going to hate Warren because she asks protected people uncomfortable questions.  they just tell everyone they hate her because she 'lied about her ancestry' to make themselves feel better.  it's just window dressing.  what has the Republicans mad as hell is Warren raking bankers over the coals.

But even that is kinda weird.  Warren is low (wo)man on that committee.  it's unlikely she will be able to really dig in and affect the banking industry in any sweeping manner during her first term.  But the rank and file GOP types are mad as hell - no they went f*cking ballistic - over a few question and answer sessions that ended up posted on youtube.  the GOP response to mere QUESTIONS should worry everyone.  what happens if/when Warren actually starts getting to the point where she can make serious reforms to the financial sector?
 
2013-03-20 10:30:41 AM

keylock71: Too bad for him, over 60% of Massachusetts voters didn't care about this... In fact, the majority of the "outrage" came from groups outside Massachusetts, The Boston Herald (Conservative leaning tabloid) and the piddling few Republicans still in Massachusetts.


I'm butthurt over it because I can't stand running gags based on a false or weak premise. It's bad comedy, but like most right-wing humor the thought seems to be if you just keep hammering on a vague point it'll be come both true and something you can mock.
 
2013-03-20 10:31:33 AM

Weaver95: it doesn't matter.  The GOP is going to hate Warren because she asks protected people uncomfortable questions.  they just tell everyone they hate her because she 'lied about her ancestry' to make themselves feel better.  it's just window dressing.


It's window dressing made of toilet paper. I honestly don't understand how it can stick as a joke among conservatives.
 
2013-03-20 10:32:47 AM

Fast Thick Pants: WTF Indeed: "It Takes Hard Work Getting Millions of Liberals on My Dick"

Bravo, astrosmurfed in the boobies... You get a $10 bonus for that?


2 troll grey alts in a row, I'm shocked, I tells ya.
Drew must be low on beer money.
 
2013-03-20 10:35:13 AM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." - Obi-Warren Kenobi
 
2013-03-20 10:40:31 AM

somedude210: Bloody William: I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

not my outrage. I thought it was a stupid attack. but being a MA resident, that's pretty much it, she may have lied, took forever to talk about it and then didn't want to talk about it.

also something about preferential treatment or something


Apparently Republicans think Native Americans have it easier than everybody else. Because everybody knows life on a reservation is like living in a luxury resort.
 
2013-03-20 10:42:36 AM

pueblonative: If Republicans thought Obama was bad....


Warren/Clinton (Hillary) in 2016!


Please, no. We'll see how 2014 goes, but if the Republicans keep on their path* then 2016 should be the Democrats' race to lose. How about we nominate two real progressives? Like it or not, Hillary is an establishment hack who serves the machine more than the people. My dream ticket would be Colbert (Steven)/Warren or Warren/Frank, but I know that's an opium dream. Somewhere out there there has to be a real Man (or woman) of the People to fill a ticket with Warren.

*Unfortunately, I'm seeing the Republicans starting to "pivot" their econ positions away from crazytown, so they may seem sane to the general public by 2014.
 
2013-03-20 10:46:38 AM

JolobinSmokin: As someone from Oklahoma who always checks the Native American box on any form even tho I do not have absolute proof other than being from Oklahoma and having 80% of my relatives that do have actual proof of their native heritage and being told my whole life that the only reason I don't have proof is because of a fire at the Cherokee courthouse, calling what Elizabeth warren did a lie is really stupid, ignorant of native Americans and Oklahoma and really just American history in general.


Yeah, this faux poutrage from the right over her understanding of her own family history is completely bizarre to me. My own story is exactly the same as hers... it's been my understanding from the age of 6 onwards that I'm 1/32 Cherokee because my great-great-great-grandfather married an Injun bride. Do I have proof of that? No. Do I need to prove that? No. Do I even give a shiat? Nope.

Why some stranger would choose to care about something like that is just farking strange. Like, mentally-ill strange.
 
2013-03-20 10:48:35 AM

Fast Thick Pants: WTF Indeed: "It Takes Hard Work Getting Millions of Liberals on My Dick"

Bravo, astrosmurfed in the boobies... You get a $10 bonus for that?


We're not playing cricket here.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:15 AM

Bloody William: keylock71: Too bad for him, over 60% of Massachusetts voters didn't care about this... In fact, the majority of the "outrage" came from groups outside Massachusetts, The Boston Herald (Conservative leaning tabloid) and the piddling few Republicans still in Massachusetts.

I'm butthurt over it because I can't stand running gags based on a false or weak premise. It's bad comedy, but like most right-wing humor the thought seems to be if you just keep hammering on a vague point it'll be come both true and something you can mock.


Yeah, sadly, repeating a lie often enough does make it true in the minds of some...

Bloody William: It's window dressing made of toilet paper.


Heh... I love that phrase. Perfectly describes what the GOP tried to do in this case.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:26 AM
"How to win elections and drive Republicans insane."

Co-authored by Barack Obama.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:42 AM

what_now: Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.


In one of their debates, he actually implied she was lying by saying that you could look at her and tell she wasn't Native American.  Yeah, that was one of his debate points.

His campaign was very careful not to outright accuse her of lying, though.  They said things like "She's facing questions about whether she lied about her heritage," etc.  They let their subordinates like the Herald and talk radio do the hard sell on that.
 
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