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(Talking Points Memo)   Elizabeth Warren to pen new book. Working titles include "So you think I'm a Native American?" and "I don't think you thought your cunning plan through all the way"   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 105
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2013-03-20 11:01:37 AM

lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


No more than you think that if a road connects to your property that you own the road and everyone who uses it is your slave.
 
2013-03-20 11:04:02 AM

Bloody William: Can any conservatives embracing this whole "ha ha she said she's native american" thing explain... what happened, why it matters or means anything? Because as far as I can see, millions of right-wingers have been masturbating non-stop to outrage over... her allegedly filling out a form and then not actually getting anything from it.


Because the Republicans always need to have a tidbit from someone's past they can attack to avoid having to discuss anything that person says or does in the present and the volume in their echo chamber is always turned up too high to be able to tell whether or not it's working.
 
2013-03-20 11:06:02 AM

Mr_Fabulous: JolobinSmokin: As someone from Oklahoma who always checks the Native American box on any form even tho I do not have absolute proof other than being from Oklahoma and having 80% of my relatives that do have actual proof of their native heritage and being told my whole life that the only reason I don't have proof is because of a fire at the Cherokee courthouse, calling what Elizabeth warren did a lie is really stupid, ignorant of native Americans and Oklahoma and really just American history in general.

Yeah, this faux poutrage from the right over her understanding of her own family history is completely bizarre to me. My own story is exactly the same as hers... it's been my understanding from the age of 6 onwards that I'm 1/32 Cherokee because my great-great-great-grandfather married an Injun bride. Do I have proof of that? No. Do I need to prove that? No. Do I even give a shiat? Nope.

Why some stranger would choose to care about something like that is just farking strange. Like, mentally-ill strange.


You're dangerously close to unraveling the entire GOP platform.
 
2013-03-20 11:10:20 AM

Mr_Fabulous: JolobinSmokin: As someone from Oklahoma who always checks the Native American box on any form even tho I do not have absolute proof other than being from Oklahoma and having 80% of my relatives that do have actual proof of their native heritage and being told my whole life that the only reason I don't have proof is because of a fire at the Cherokee courthouse, calling what Elizabeth warren did a lie is really stupid, ignorant of native Americans and Oklahoma and really just American history in general.

Yeah, this faux poutrage from the right over her understanding of her own family history is completely bizarre to me. My own story is exactly the same as hers... it's been my understanding from the age of 6 onwards that I'm 1/32 Cherokee because my great-great-great-grandfather married an Injun bride. Do I have proof of that? No. Do I need to prove that? No. Do I even give a shiat? Nope.

Why some stranger would choose to care about something like that is just farking strange. Like, mentally-ill strange.


Are you future or past me?   Will Community ever get that movie?

Or if you are past me, I can't remember where I left the weed at our dads house in the attic or was it in the storage building?
 
2013-03-20 11:12:03 AM

Johnny_Whistle: His campaign was very careful not to outright accuse her of lying, though.  They said things like "She's facing questions about whether she lied about her heritage," etc.  They let their subordinates like the Herald and talk radio do the hard sell on that.


Except when he couldn't control the assholes in his campaign, of course... Then he had to appear disgusted by the actions of his supporters.

Brown Supporters mocking Warren with war whoops and tomahawk chops

Brown really went out of his way to look like a complete asshole during that election.
 
2013-03-20 11:13:16 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?

No more than you think that if a road connects to your property that you own the road and everyone who uses it is your slave.


THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T BUILD THOSE ROADS! I DID!

Obama thinks he built all the roads. But he's wrong.

Me. I built this.

/What Republicans actually believe
 
2013-03-20 11:54:28 AM
She's a shining star for the left right now. I hope she does not burn to bright to fast and flare out.
 
2013-03-20 12:13:49 PM

WTF Indeed: "It Takes Hard Work Getting Millions of Liberals on My Dick"


What part of "You lost because your bullshiat doesn't fly" do you people have so much trouble understanding?
 
2013-03-20 12:13:58 PM

Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.



Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.
 
2013-03-20 12:18:52 PM

The_Sponge: Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.


Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.


[Citation Needed]
 
2013-03-20 12:20:28 PM

Mr_Fabulous: JolobinSmokin: As someone from Oklahoma who always checks the Native American box on any form even tho I do not have absolute proof other than being from Oklahoma and having 80% of my relatives that do have actual proof of their native heritage and being told my whole life that the only reason I don't have proof is because of a fire at the Cherokee courthouse, calling what Elizabeth warren did a lie is really stupid, ignorant of native Americans and Oklahoma and really just American history in general.

Yeah, this faux poutrage from the right over her understanding of her own family history is completely bizarre to me. My own story is exactly the same as hers... it's been my understanding from the age of 6 onwards that I'm 1/32 Cherokee because my great-great-great-grandfather married an Injun bride. Do I have proof of that? No. Do I need to prove that? No. Do I even give a shiat? Nope.

Why some stranger would choose to care about something like that is just farking strange. Like, mentally-ill strange.


Republicans are hoping that if they can attach enough silly crap like this to Warren's name, this will rule her out as a viable presidential candidate.
 
2013-03-20 12:24:25 PM

Geotpf: [Citation Needed]


She didn't suggest it, the Center for Economic and Policy Research did (PDF).

And they weren't suggesting it, they simply say:

If the minimum wage had continued to move with average productivity after 1968, it would have reached $21.72 per hour in 2012.

Mentioning the results of a study = endorsement. Apparently.
 
2013-03-20 12:26:04 PM

The_Sponge: Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.


Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.


Speaking of repeating a lie often enough makes it true in some folks' minds...

"If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So my question is Mr. Dube, with a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn't go to the worker." Link
 
2013-03-20 12:30:05 PM
She has a refreshing "Harry Truman" quality.
 
2013-03-20 12:33:32 PM

somedude210: she may have lied


no
 
2013-03-20 12:37:20 PM
Warren's actual suggestion is to raise the federal minimum wage to over $10 an hour in incremental steps over the next two years, if I remember correctly.

But that's not going to generate as much outrage as, "OMG!!!! Liz Warren wants to raise the minimum wage to $22/hour!!!! Big Macs are going to cost $17!!!!!"
 
2013-03-20 12:37:24 PM
Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.

what is it about right-leaning posters in particular that causes them to completely ignore objective observable reality?
 
2013-03-20 12:44:15 PM

Jackson Herring: Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.

what is it about right-leaning posters in particular that causes them to completely ignore objective observable reality?


Because you can't argue with what reality is (she used math to come up with a number).

You CAN, however, argue with the meaning you impute to that statement, much the same way one could more easily beat up a hay-filled effigy of Brock Lesnar than the man himself.
 
2013-03-20 12:50:40 PM
If anybody ever needs to show somebody just how much spittle this woman causes to foam from the mouths of the Republicans, you can just refer them to this thread...
 
2013-03-20 12:55:27 PM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


The CFPB is many things, but "underfunded" is not one of them.  That's why the GOP is currently spitting nails and trying to block the appointment of her sucessor as director.  The CFPB is sequester-proof because Congress has no control over thier budget.  Rather than getting an appropriation from Congress, the CFPB's funds come from an automatic draw on the profits of the Federal Reserve (which are an all time high BTW).  Thus the usual power that Congressman have to reward heavy campaign contributors by theatening to cut off the budget of agencies that do thngs those contributors don't like is gone in this case, allowing the agency to be truly independent.

 As you might imagine, some members of Congressional  Banking committees don't like THAT one bit
 
2013-03-20 12:58:19 PM

what_now: Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.


Also worth noting that while 1/32 Cherokee is very much, it IS the exact same percentage of Cherokee blood that the current chief of the Cherokee nation has,  so, if it's good enough for him..
 
2013-03-20 01:02:33 PM

lordaction: Isn't this the lady that thinks if a road connects to your property the government automatically owns your house?


the government does own your house - don't pay your land rent and see what happens.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:55 PM

keylock71: "If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So my question is Mr. Dube, with a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn't go to the worker." Link



She implied it should be that high.  Can't you see that?
 
2013-03-20 01:13:42 PM

The_Sponge: keylock71: "If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So my question is Mr. Dube, with a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn't go to the worker." Link


She implied it should be that high.  Can't you see that?


Her point was it SHOULD be that high if the economy was fairly distributing its gains, that it is not is a clear sign that something ahs gone awry, and that more to the point the $9.75 and hour raise that Obama is proposing is literally the least we can do at this point
 
2013-03-20 01:15:45 PM

Magorn: Her point was it SHOULD be that high if the economy was fairly distributing its gains


I wouldn't even go that far. She just asked where that money went, because it didn't go to the worker. Dude is reeeeeaaaally trying to make something out of nothing. All the right wing blogs are doing the exact same thing. Just a coincidence I guess!
 
2013-03-20 01:18:50 PM
keylock71:
"If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So my question is Mr. Dube, with a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn't go to the worker." Link

ask the bellboy... he got to pocket that extra $1.00 ;)
 
2013-03-20 01:20:39 PM

Magorn: Her point was it SH WOULD be that high if the economy was fairly distributing its gains, that it is not is a clear sign that something ahs gone awry, and that more to the point the $9.75 and hour raise that Obama is proposing is literally the least we can do at this point


A subtle difference, but an important one.
 
2013-03-20 01:30:51 PM

The_Sponge: She implied it should be that high.  Can't you see that?


No she didn't... Her proposed raise to the Fed minimum wage is to get it up to $10 or so with gradual increases over the next two years. You can look this up.

But certainly, don't let facts get in the way of your righteous indignation.
 
2013-03-20 01:44:31 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Magorn: Her point was it SHOULD be that high if the economy was fairly distributing its gains

I wouldn't even go that far. She just asked where that money went, because it didn't go to the worker. Dude is reeeeeaaaally trying to make something out of nothing. All the right wing blogs are doing the exact same thing. Just a coincidence I guess!


I just can't believe she is not smart enough to know where the money went.
 
2013-03-20 01:53:34 PM

ManRay: I just can't believe she is not smart enough to know where the money went.


Maybe she doesn't know. Maybe she does. Maybe she wants Dr. Arindrajit Dube to tell her so it's on the Congressional record.
 
2013-03-20 02:02:06 PM

ManRay: Dusk-You-n-Me: Magorn: Her point was it SHOULD be that high if the economy was fairly distributing its gains

I wouldn't even go that far. She just asked where that money went, because it didn't go to the worker. Dude is reeeeeaaaally trying to make something out of nothing. All the right wing blogs are doing the exact same thing. Just a coincidence I guess!

I just can't believe she is not smart enough to know where the money went.


I'm sure she knows, just like the rest of us know, that it went into the pockets of thieves and pieces of human waste who call themselves "job creators". It's unfortunately not considered diplomatic to SAY so, however.
 
2013-03-20 02:05:14 PM

Jackson Herring: somedude210: she may have lied

no


no no, that was the accusation or something from the GOP. I personally don't believe nor care what they accused her of
 
2013-03-20 02:16:48 PM

Jackson Herring: ladies don't have a dick, hth


I beg to differ.
 
2013-03-20 02:17:50 PM
While they the Republicans scramble to court Hispanics thinking that is the only fix to their election woes. ( Hint: its not ) They wont ever give up whats bugging more people about them with their philosophy of thinking its awesome to let cooperation's do whatever they want to you. Its gotten even worse now that the Republicans and Libertarians are slowly merging together. Warren really his the nerve of people who are sick of letting them get away with anything they want. Oh and that half the country are worthless moochers.

 But fighting back is class warfare
 
2013-03-20 02:20:14 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: I'm sure she knows, just like the rest of us know, that it went into the pockets of thieves and pieces of human waste who call themselves "job creators". It's unfortunately not considered diplomatic to SAY so, however.


I know that productivity gains over the last 40+ years can be attributed to more than just the worker getting boned. For instance In 1960 there were no computers in the workplace. That has to account for some of the difference she's wondering about. But she didn't show her math so I can't say for sure she's aware of it.

/I think she is aware, just didn't state that clearly in order to back up her agenda.
 
2013-03-20 02:27:33 PM

ManRay: But she didn't show her math so I can't say for sure she's aware of it.


It's not her math. It's the CEPR's math. She's not the one testifying. The Dr is.
 
2013-03-20 02:33:10 PM
great headline subby
 
2013-03-20 02:38:37 PM

Muta: Had the GOP simply approved her appointment then Warren would have been the head of an underfunded department and easily characterized as a paper pushing bureaucrat.


THIS a thousand times. you can bet that there was plenty of finger pointing and gnashing of teeth when she ran. and much more so when she won.

with a little cocktail party of "i told you so" after her senate hearing shenanigans.
 
2013-03-20 02:39:39 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: ManRay: But she didn't show her math so I can't say for sure she's aware of it.

It's not her math. It's the CEPR's math. She's not the one testifying. The Dr is.


What I love is republicans, the "6 trillion lost in Iraq isn't bad" people, the "800 dollar Military Hammer is for baby Christ America" people, they're the one who arebegrudging regular folks their just pay.

/I dont' know many minimum wage computer jobs... does a grocery bagger not deserve to be paid in line with what his counterpart did in 1960?
 
2013-03-20 02:40:27 PM

rev. dave: I wonder if she will do more to stop the banks as a Senator or as President.  If Hillary runs, then Elizabeth Warren would make a good VP and eventually President.


if hillary runs she could have jesus as VP and lose. hillary isn't going to be president. and she isn't going to sleep with you.
 
2013-03-20 02:41:31 PM

saintstryfe: does a grocery bagger not deserve to be paid in line with what his counterpart did in 1960?



Nope.

/Worked as one back in high school
 
2013-03-20 02:42:43 PM

Curious: great headline subby


Thank you?

/Sarcasm?
 
2013-03-20 02:45:52 PM

what_now: Bloody William: somedude210: proof that she lies?

I mean explain what happened. Please, walk me through this so I can better understand your outrage. This entire thing seems to reek of assumptions and right-wing "conventional wisdom" in the form of tired jokes, but I haven't actually figured out what exactly was done to warrant this.

Ok, so Senator Warren grew up in Oklahoma and was told she had some Native ancestors. Family legend apparently has it that her parents marriage was frowned upon because her mom had some Native blood or something.

Years later, Harvard used her as an example of the diversity of their faculty, because she is 1/32 native.

This drove the right wing farking INSANE when they found out. Apparently, it means that even though she grew up lower middle class and got married as a teenager and STILL managed to attend college, law school, and become a distinguished faculty member at Harvard University and a world famous economist, all of that was from Affirmative Action, because a dirty Indian can't possibly do that on her own.

Also, she doesn't have PROOF of her ancestry, so she MUST be lying. The fact that very very few people can proof their ancestry is irrelevant to these people.

It made Scott Brown look like a racist idiot, but people still trot it out.


Her misrepresention and obfuscation were a direct lift from the GOP playbook, so it's OK.  That's what happened.
 
2013-03-20 03:02:47 PM

somedude210: Curious: great headline subby

Thank you?

/Sarcasm?


no, serious. i enjoyed it.

you are welcome.
 
2013-03-20 03:13:40 PM

Curious: somedude210: Curious: great headline subby

Thank you?

/Sarcasm?

no, serious. i enjoyed it.

you are welcome.


why thank you, please vote it up ^_^
 
2013-03-20 03:29:42 PM

saintstryfe: /I dont' know many minimum wage computer jobs... does a grocery bagger not deserve to be paid in line with what his counterpart did in 1960?


Absolutely... Though, that isn't even what is being proposed. The $22/hour figure comes from a recent study.

Democrats, including Warren, are proposing a gradual raise over a few years to about $10.10/hour.
 
2013-03-20 03:43:02 PM
You can tell how great Warren is doing by how much her critics have to lie about her.  Literally every criticism of Warren I have seen or heard of has been based on a lie (including in this thread).
 
2013-03-20 04:27:42 PM

Trey Le Parc: Her misrepresention and obfuscation were a direct lift from the GOP playbook, so it's OK. That's what happened.


You haven't a clue what you're talking about, do you.
 
2013-03-20 04:52:11 PM
Hatred  for Elizabeth Warren is probably the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

If you find yourself engaging in this kind of poutrage, you're past the Derp Test with flying colors.
 
2013-03-20 04:57:54 PM

The_Sponge: Weaver95: I love watching Republicans twitch whenever she speaks.


Suggesting a $22 per hour minimum wage should make most people twitch.


What's the problem? Seems like a reasonable ballpark figure to me.
 
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