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2013-03-20 09:18:23 AM  
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2013-03-20 09:18:35 AM  
California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.
 
2013-03-20 09:27:00 AM  
Interesting how the national discourse on bigotry went from lynching black folk to denying the right for a woman to wear a tux.
 
2013-03-20 09:29:42 AM  
A codpiece is very gender-appropriate. The Black Russian especially so.
 
2013-03-20 09:30:36 AM  

gopher321: California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.


Anywhere away from the bay or LA and it gets very conservative.

Girls in suits and guys in kilts would be gender appropriate and amazing.
 
2013-03-20 09:32:40 AM  
They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.
 
2013-03-20 09:33:48 AM  
I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.
 
2013-03-20 09:34:45 AM  
Yeah, pretty sure that's against the law, unless this is a private catholic school
 
2013-03-20 09:35:07 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.


That would be a case of not thinking your cunning plan all the way through, because wouldn't the douche guy get more shiat for wearing a dress than he would be giving the gay kids?
 
2013-03-20 09:35:07 AM  
FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.


*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.
 
2013-03-20 09:35:21 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Questioning
 
2013-03-20 09:35:34 AM  
CSB:

There was a kid kicked out of my prom for wearing a Kilt, this was in Georgia in 1993.

/CSB
 
2013-03-20 09:35:42 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?
 
2013-03-20 09:36:53 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Queer. No joking. It's like a catch-all phrase. You don't want to claim yourself gay or bi. So, you go with queer.
 
2013-03-20 09:37:15 AM  

mekki: FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.


Or, dress like the Third Doctor...

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2013-03-20 09:37:29 AM  

mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.


Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths
 
2013-03-20 09:37:46 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).
 
2013-03-20 09:38:42 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony.  A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.
 
2013-03-20 09:39:03 AM  
Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?
 
2013-03-20 09:39:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


LGTBBQWTFLOL
 
2013-03-20 09:39:27 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.
 
2013-03-20 09:40:26 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.


"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.
 
2013-03-20 09:41:29 AM  
"Having resolved all other more pressing civil rights abuses..."
 
2013-03-20 09:41:44 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?
 
2013-03-20 09:41:46 AM  

Bullroarer_Took: Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?


Ah, but the administrators would shiat themselves because it was a kilt, which looks kind of like a skirt, which is what they don't want.

So, while the student would be technically correct (the best kind of correct), the administration would still frown upon it and probably bar the bekilted students from participating in anything.
 
2013-03-20 09:42:17 AM  

Tom_Slick: BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony. A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


And truer words were never spoken
 
2013-03-20 09:42:51 AM  
In one incident, a teacher told a student who commented that he did not have a valentine on Valentine's Day, that that's "because you're gay and nobody wants to be with you." In another, an administrator referred to a gay student's campaign for homecoming queen as a "joke." Another teacher told a student to "take the gay headband off."

The gay student's campaign probably WAS halfway between joke and protest, and you can't make a big stink about wearing self identifying clothing and then complain when people refer to your clothing by the label it endorses.  You don't both get to have "gay pride" and complain "gay" is pejorative.  Labels restrict the thinking of the person doing the labeling, not the one being labeled.

Whether or not gender specific clothing should be required entirely depends on what the uniform is otherwise.  School is a place where you are safe to learn, not a place where you are free from restrictions.  What matters more is whether the restrictions are applied evenly.  As long as you are equally not allowed to endorse ANY overtly political position, which specific one being restricted isn't important.  Likewise, specific dress code for the purpose of conformity isn't a burden all by itself, just because you don't personally express yourself that way.  Express yourself on your own time, and self identify with divisive issues on your own time as well.
 
2013-03-20 09:43:38 AM  

Farce-Side: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.


Q can mean Queer as well.  Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."
 
2013-03-20 09:44:35 AM  

mekki: FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.


Prepare the case for your lawsuit after before you even begin.
Let them fall into your trap.
Make them squirm as you pull witnesses, fabulous, flaming, fashion experts to show how little the school knows about the history of fashion and fop.
Make it a clear public record of how ignorant the school staff is.
Oh, and profit.
Jabbot rentals aren't cheap, you know.
 
2013-03-20 09:45:00 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Ah, I can't wait to have to explain to my grandchildren what all 26 letters of the LGBTZOMGHAXUFIABBBFFWTFBBQ movement mean.
 
2013-03-20 09:45:37 AM  
So why weren't they wearing dresses or some feminine attire during the interviews? Oh, I get it, they just want to be attention whores at the prom. Ok whatever, but that is so gay.
 
2013-03-20 09:46:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Another good suggestion.

victrin: Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).


I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.
 
2013-03-20 09:46:52 AM  
Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

factsanddetails.com

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.
 
2013-03-20 09:47:16 AM  
OK...

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-20 09:47:42 AM  

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


Gender is a protected class. Clothing, on the other hand, isn't. Especially since the majority of gay men do not crossdress. It is not seen as traditional dress for men to wear traditionally feminine attire.
 
2013-03-20 09:47:50 AM  

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


No, "gender" is not a federally protected class, unless you're going to try and construe that gender identity is genetically predisposed, which is an argument that hasn't yet been made to get gender identify included as genetic information.  The feds recognize genetic sex, not mental gender.
 
2013-03-20 09:48:01 AM  

Bullroarer_Took: Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?


That's what I'm saying.
 
2013-03-20 09:48:44 AM  

mekki: Gender is a protected class in certain states and cities.


FTFY
 
2013-03-20 09:49:13 AM  

Aurric: Farce-Side: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.

Q can mean Queer as well.  Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."


Yeah... gay dudes, you guys gotta get the acronyms set. It's getting confusing. Not sure if that's intentional or not.

As for the Prom... well... if I showed up dressed like Kurt Cobain on a severe bender, they'd probably send me home. They enforce standards as to what you can wear. Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

/retired smartass teenager
//every time I try to get out of the game, they pull me back in.
 
2013-03-20 09:50:56 AM  
Aurric

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.


Never under estimate the power of douche-baggary. I could easily see a straight guy wearing a dress to with the intention to piss off the gay ones to see if they complain. If the homosexual kids do, then they are hypocrites, and he has successfully shown how some homosexuals expect tolerance but are unwilling to give the same respects.

I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.

/like pulling the race card.
 
2013-03-20 09:50:58 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.


That's a man's outfit.

Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.
 
2013-03-20 09:51:01 AM  

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


Frowning on shenanigans:

www.tatwong.com
 
2013-03-20 09:51:27 AM  

Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


It can be.  Many LGBT people self-identify as "queer" and want to be referred to as such.  It is, however, a word with a sort of vulgar history, and a lot of people still don't like it.

A good rule of thumb is that you use it to describe someone who uses it to describe themselves.  Don't ever ask if someone's gay by saying, "So, are you queer?"
 
2013-03-20 09:52:11 AM  

Tom_Slick: CSB:

There was a kid kicked out of my prom for wearing a Kilt, this was in Georgia in 1993.

/CSB


I've known enough Scots in my day to know what an incredibly stupid move that was.  He could have made Sherman's march look like a slapfight.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:16 AM  

victrin: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).


Define it in the abstract?

Really? This a thing now?
 
2013-03-20 09:52:38 AM  

Aurric: TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.


i3.ytimg.com

Markie Mark disagrees.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:49 AM  
There are formal pantsuits that are cut for women and not actually necessarily cross-dressing, and obviously a kilt is a male-specific item of clothing that's essentially a skirt of you want to go that route.

Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

Same goes for teachers, stop farking trolling your students over their social shiat and make sure they can add and goddamned subtract when they get into my classroom.  I'm about one engineering undergrad who can't figure out how Newton's fitting method works from the textbook (something requiring basically Algebra 1) from snapping and building an army of death-bots to spot targets for my giant farking moon laser, so please at least consider actually doing your jobs for once in your lives instead of trying to "raise" the little buggers.

//Unfortunately intimately familiar with the lack of professional discipline in CA primary/secondary teachers.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:45 AM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


You're missing the point - the rest of us aren't classifying them, this is how they classify themselves.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:58 AM  

Marine1: Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.


My response to this story hinges on the answer to one question:  If a girl shows up in an appropriate female designed three piece suit, are they willing to accept that a suit designed for the body wearing it is formally appropriate.  For example, do ROTC women have the option of wearing dress blues with dress slacks?

This woman, is she wearing gender specific clothing, in their minds:

www.uscg.mil
 
2013-03-20 09:55:11 AM  

Tom_Slick: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmonyA gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


Wait, are you sure we're talking about BBQ?
 
2013-03-20 09:55:18 AM  

doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.



So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.
 
2013-03-20 09:56:08 AM  
Enforce school uniforms.. pretty simple if you have a problem with the way people dress

/yea, I went to school in gang territory
 
2013-03-20 09:59:40 AM  

Tom_Slick: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony.  A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


www.piccer.nl
 
2013-03-20 10:00:00 AM  

JWideman: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

You're missing the point - the rest of us aren't classifying them, this is how they classify themselves.


And I am pretty sure that is who he is mocking.

I know that is why I found it laughable.

I think a simple flow chart of what type of bits you have, what you want to do with your bits identifies you pretty clearly.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:22 AM  

Mr Guy: Marine1: Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

My response to this story hinges on the answer to one question:  If a girl shows up in an appropriate female designed three piece suit, are they willing to accept that a suit designed for the body wearing it is formally appropriate.  For example, do ROTC women have the option of wearing dress blues with dress slacks?

This woman, is she wearing gender specific clothing, in their minds:

[www.uscg.mil image 137x422]


Sure... well, to me.

I think this will be more of a problem when you have guys intentionally dressing up as women and acting in a misogynist manner.

Moral of the story is this: human beings use gender in determining how they act towards a person. It can range from a guy being more vocal with a female to smacking her ass and telling her to get him a sandwich. Women have their ways as well. When you screw with that perception, people will treat you differently, for better or for worse. Hopefully, we find a way to make it better, but it's gonna take a while.

What the transgender community needs to do is institute a "tell". Like the thing where gay dudes wore one earing in their right ears. That way, everyone else knows that they're transgender and can adjust their sensibilities accordingly.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:30 AM  

bhcompy: Enforce school uniforms.. pretty simple if you have a problem with the way people dress

/yea, I went to school in gang territory


School Uniforms solve all kinds of issues, including making the amount of time it takes your daughter to get ready for school incredibly short.

/Parents at my Daughter's school were were all up in arms when the school banned Crocs.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:59 AM  
There is far too much farking alphabet soup in here
 
2013-03-20 10:01:00 AM  
I supposed it really depends on how you define prom.  To some people it is supposed to the high society, formal event at which point there are pretty firm rules for the dress code, at least in term of do nots.  Whereas if it just another dumb school function, as long as it doesn't violate the student hand book, meh.

I'd imagine what will happen is proms will become "private" events that get organized by a group of parents and those events will just assign strict codes which they can do as a private organization.  I'd really rather just let the school assign the dress code and that way you can keep the threat of "if you spike the punch, your ass rots in detention forever".  If it isn't a school event, then the only threat is "We'll call the cops on you" which seems heavy handed.
 
2013-03-20 10:01:27 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.


So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.


But a kilt looks like women's clothing. It's a pleated skirt.

A man's kimono is pretty much the manliest thing next to a penis gourd because the men who wore it used to cut their own stomachs open as many as 9 times to show how hard they were.
 
2013-03-20 10:02:13 AM  
Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?
 
2013-03-20 10:03:10 AM  

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?


No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.
 
2013-03-20 10:03:39 AM  

Farce-Side: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

Another good suggestion.

victrin: Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).

I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


It was a very touchy word, but over the years, a movement started to reclaim the word, and now people use it to describe a sexual orientation that is more abstract. If you go and call someone "a queer", yes it is still an insult. However, if you say, "Yes, Adam identifies as queer", you're good.
 
2013-03-20 10:03:42 AM  

doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

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another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.


So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.

But a kilt looks like women's clothing. It's a pleated skirt.

A man's kimono is pretty much the manliest thing next to a penis gourd because the men who wore it used to cut their own stomachs open as many as 9 times to show how hard they were.


Didn't all Japanese men wear them?
 
2013-03-20 10:04:28 AM  

Skarekrough: I've known enough Scots in my day to know what an incredibly stupid move that was. He could have made Sherman's march look like a slapfight.


The kid was of Scottish heritage, played the bag pipes, and thought it was a good idea.  Most of the people in the school thought he was trying too hard to upstage the kid who wore leisure suits to school everyday and went to prom in a powder blue tux with ruffles.
 
2013-03-20 10:04:31 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths

Frowning on shenanigans:

[www.tatwong.com image 576x386]



*Shakes tiny fist*

Though I was going to add, too bad they are "white."
 
2013-03-20 10:06:39 AM  

Aurric: Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.

It can be.  Many LGBT people self-identify as "queer" and want to be referred to as such.  It is, however, a word with a sort of vulgar history, and a lot of people still don't like it.

A good rule of thumb is that you use it to describe someone who uses it to describe themselves.  Don't ever ask if someone's gay by saying, "So, are you queer?"


Thanks for taking the time to answer my silly questions.  Really, as far as asking if someone's gay or not, my rule of thumb is I don't.  Because I really don't care.  And I don't really describe people when I introduce them or talk about them in terms of their sexuality, so I don't think I'll have a problem referring to someone as queer who doesn't want to be referred to as such.  I just thought it was kind of weird to include in an "official" type acronym for a subset of the population when a good portion of that group don't take too kindly to being described by that word.  I kind of wish we could just get past identifying people based on their sexuality or lack thereof, and just base it on merit and strength of character.  You know, instead of ,"Yea you remember Dave, the gay one" it could just be, "Yea you remember Dave, the asshole who reported me to HR for falling asleep at my desk", or "Yea you remember Dave, the dude who bought us the double Jamesons last time we were at the bar".  I guess I live in a fantasy world though.
 
2013-03-20 10:10:00 AM  
I think it cool but only if you intend to murder.

irisharchaeology.ie

community.imaginefx.com

3d-stuff.ru

0.tqn.com
 
2013-03-20 10:12:00 AM  

gopher321: California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.


Outside the major urban areas you get more redneck, less fruit and nuts.

This is one of those issues where I'm perfectly fine with allowing everyone regardless of gender going a nice tux looking fabulous and calling it good, but I also recognize that this country no longer tolerates common sense compromise.
 
2013-03-20 10:13:09 AM  
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unavailable for comment.
 
2013-03-20 10:13:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Let's Go To a BBQ!

Sounds great to me.
 
2013-03-20 10:14:17 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Aurric

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.

Never under estimate the power of douche-baggary. I could easily see a straight guy wearing a dress to with the intention to piss off the gay ones to see if they complain. If the homosexual kids do, then they are hypocrites, and he has successfully shown how some homosexuals expect tolerance but are unwilling to give the same respects.

I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.

/like pulling the race card.


Why would they complain? They'd probably congratulate him for coming out, and at the prom no less. The whole night people would be asking him if his parents knew.
 
2013-03-20 10:16:45 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.


What if you are wearing a kilt, not as a form of protest, but just because you like wearing klts?
 
2013-03-20 10:16:47 AM  
LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.
 
2013-03-20 10:18:13 AM  

liam76: Didn't all Japanese men wear them?


Only the samurai.

Poor people never wear nice clothes.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:04 AM  

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?



You mom's lipstick.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:44 AM  

justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.


No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:50 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Questioning what?
 
2013-03-20 10:25:24 AM  

lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?


It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?
 
2013-03-20 10:26:58 AM  

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


No. It's to the tune of "The Highland Fling", and the answer is "Awang, awang!"
 
2013-03-20 10:29:08 AM  
FTA: "Me, myself personally would like to wear tuxedo and heels to prom," Smithson-Johnston said."

images.wikia.com
 
2013-03-20 10:32:38 AM  

doglover: liam76: Didn't all Japanese men wear them?

Only the samurai.

Poor people never wear nice clothes.


They weren't as nice, but the same basic setup was worn by farmers.

Plus not all rich people were samurai, andnot all samurai were rich enough for nice clothes.
 
2013-03-20 10:33:55 AM  

justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.


I actually think they have a point with Prom.  Prom is explicitly a social activity and the students should be allowed to wear basically whatever they want that wouldn't get you arrested for public indecency if you wore it walking on the street.  Self-expression is a legitimate activity in context.

School picture day is a different animal, though, it takes away from class time and is intended simply to document your presence in archival photos in the future.  If you troll the moral guardians just to hold up the queue and attention whore, then I'm fine with them just giving you the boot for the duration of the activity and getting on with it so everyone can get back to class.

Dafatone: lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?

It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?


It stands for queer, mon.  Dude's messing with you.

It's sort of a nonspecific catch-all, which is why it's frequently left off the end, doesn't really mean anything.
 
2013-03-20 10:35:52 AM  
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school,"

because it's the last time THAT's gonna happen
 
2013-03-20 10:38:19 AM  
Let's just all agree that they can wear whatever the fark they want to their idiotic farking proms and can take whoever they want and jesus fark why the hell does this even concern people so damn much.

Shut up school admins. Just shut your farking coont whore mouths and let the kids dye their hair rainbow or whatever. It bothers me that I had more personal freedoms in high school in WV in the 90s then kids seem to now. Perhaps waste your energy trying to cut down on bullying and rape and shiat among the bastards.

I need a drink.
 
2013-03-20 10:39:49 AM  

liam76: They weren't as nice, but the same basic setup was worn by farmers.


Not even close.


The kimono was and remains retardedly expensive. It's a formal garment, like a toga. Even today with modern production of cloth, a new men's kimono with hakama and haori costs upwards of $1500. Women's garments have no price ceiling.

Farmers wore leggings like European hose and a tunic type shirt that opens in the front.

cwfp.biz
 
2013-03-20 10:42:11 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?

It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?

It stands for queer, mon.  Dude's messing with you.

It's sort of a nonspecific catch-all, which is why it's frequently left off the end, doesn't really mean anything.


I really should have addressed that to a less tongue-in-cheek and more actually outraged poster, but the notion of "wah why haven't these people figured this out yet!" is upsetting on like, 8 levels.  What with high schoolers being high schoolers.  And "these people" being shiatty.
 
2013-03-20 10:42:14 AM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


THIS  My son is gay and even he thinks that the continuous sub-grouping is getting pretty farking stupid.  "I'm one of you...but I don't identify with anything you've spelled out so far, so add another letter for me"
 
2013-03-20 10:43:39 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.

No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.




It's not until Monday?
 
2013-03-20 10:44:09 AM  
Women in tuxedos/suits?  How SCANDALOUS!

www.bejubeju.com

/The fact she's smoking is more controversial today than her mode of attire...
//Clearly this school system still exists in the late 1800s.
 
2013-03-20 10:45:18 AM  
Gay guys wear dresses to prom now?

This country is declining rapidly.
 
2013-03-20 10:48:05 AM  

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


This is in line with that. Everyone born with penises wears tuxes, everyone born with vaginas wears dresses.

Your choice in sexuality doesn't change your gender.
 
2013-03-20 10:52:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.

No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.


Oh I agree that it is pointless. And it is definitely not classy at its core. But for the brief moment where you are still sober, it might be the nicest you have ever looked in your life.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:25 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Isn't gay bbq called "spit roasting"? Google it, NSFW lol.
 
2013-03-20 10:55:33 AM  

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:44 AM  

r1niceboy: Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.

Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.


Whose?
 
2013-03-20 10:58:23 AM  
They shouldn't just limit that rule to gender.  Clothing should be appropriate to the form of the individual wearing it.  Too many fat chicks wearing skinny chick dresses when I went to prom.
 
2013-03-20 10:58:50 AM  
Next thing you know those black kids are going to want to show up to the white prom! I mean come on I'm sure they realize that being black is frowned upon and they can have their own prom later if they want to go.  But we can't let them show up black because you just know that some kid is going to put on blackface just to see if the black kids complain!


/it's always stupid.
 
2013-03-20 11:02:13 AM  
I always try and rememeber that for those traditionalists, High School is the peak of their lives - being football captain or wrestling star or state champ pitcher is as GOOD as their life will get.  They don't want that experience of being on top of the world for one brief period by pictures in their soon to be well-thumbed senior yearbook of guys dressed like girls and vice versa.  That's just a major comedown for them.

For a musical treatment on the above theme, Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" will satisfy.
 
2013-03-20 11:03:14 AM  
Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.
 
2013-03-20 11:07:58 AM  

bmwericus: I always try and rememeber that for those traditionalists, High School is the peak of their lives - being football captain or wrestling star or state champ pitcher is as GOOD as their life will get


What, you didn't just get pregnant and drop out your senior year, then move in to a trailer park with your 26 year old unemployed babbydaddy?  You unamerican or something?
 
2013-03-20 11:10:38 AM  
Every time these gender-based school dress codes have been in court, they've been shot down. You'd think the superintendents would know by now.
 
2013-03-20 11:14:03 AM  
If you can't make dubious fashion choices in high school, when can you make them? I thought that was what high school is for--wearing things that make your horrified to look at your old pictures.

Seriously though, this sounds like it's more about going after girls in tuxedos than the slight possibility that a guy would show up in a dress, which makes the whole thing extra stupid since girls have worn tuxes for ages. A tuxedo IS women's wear.
 
2013-03-20 11:16:00 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: r1niceboy: Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.

Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.

Whose?


I don't ask my victims their names.
 
2013-03-20 11:18:00 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Questioning.  They still have some more questions before they choose their sexuality.  But it's not a choice.
 
2013-03-20 11:25:50 AM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Quite Quarrelsome.

L is laughing at lions, G getting giggles. B bursting balloons....
 
2013-03-20 11:26:02 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.


Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.
 
2013-03-20 11:42:36 AM  

Theaetetus: Every time these gender-based school dress codes have been in court, they've been shot down. You'd think the superintendents would know by now.


FTFA: In a statement, interim superintendent McLaughlin said he was returning to the district from spring break to "personally oversee a thorough examination of this situation."

The superintendent does know... it's the idiot teachers and administration at the particular school who evidently don't.
 
2013-03-20 11:43:20 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


I think you just stumbled on what could bring bigots and us LGBTQs together: BBQ! We both love a good cookout, so let's party! I'm telling ya it would be one hell of a Peace Treaty/Truce after a few lbs of food and a few beers, lol!
 
2013-03-20 11:44:03 AM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.
 
2013-03-20 11:56:54 AM  

codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.


Where else can you take it?
 
2013-03-20 12:00:56 PM  

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?


Shoes and socks
 
2013-03-20 12:11:04 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?



Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.
 
2013-03-20 12:15:10 PM  

Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?


what do you mean?
 
2013-03-20 12:20:58 PM  

ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.


I think the order should be altered, though. I can't help but read it as Let's Go To the Bar-B-Que.
 
2013-03-20 12:22:43 PM  

codergirl42: It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.


How about the ones who don't identify anywhere between gay and straight (hint: if it's a range it's not binary) OR queer? Do they get a letter too?
 
2013-03-20 12:23:57 PM  

ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.


What makes you think asexual people like the "queer" label?
 
2013-03-20 12:27:18 PM  
After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?
 
2013-03-20 12:32:11 PM  

orbister: ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

What makes you think asexual people like the "queer" label?


It isn't exactly the greatest community.  Some of the L and G part of that community has issues with the B part. All three of those groups may contain members who have trouble with the T part, and so on and so forth.  When I went through college it was just lesbians and gays and they were rallying against letting the transgenders in, they wanted the university to set up a separate group for them.
 
2013-03-20 12:32:53 PM  

orbister: codergirl42: It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

How about the ones who don't identify anywhere between gay and straight (hint: if it's a range it's not binary) OR queer? Do they get a letter too?


It stands for Queer or Questioning. I already know sexual preference is not a binary but many people think it is. I was just trying to help clarify the meaning of the Q in LGBTQ. We could add others like asexuals but they aren't usually discriminated agaist or generally disenfranchised from society like LGBTQ folk.
 
2013-03-20 12:35:06 PM  

orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?


I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?
 
2013-03-20 12:41:53 PM  

mafiageek1980: orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?

I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?



Why do you hate FreedomTM?
 
2013-03-20 12:45:43 PM  

mafiageek1980: orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?

I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?


It's sad, I didn't go to my prom or most of the school dances even though I wasn't out in highschool. I didn't want to participate in an event where I didn't feel comfortable and couldn't go as I pleased. I don't know if my school would have had issues with gender non-conforming students but I was more worried about what my fellow students would think had I come out in high school. I wish we had a society where LGBTQ kids can feel comfortable in thier own skin and not live in fear of bullying and ridicule(from faculty, students and society at large). It really had a huge impact on me and I was horribly depresed through highschool and most of my young adult life. Transitioning helped but it wasn't immediate it took years to become socially adjusted.  Had I been able to deal with these issues earlier in life I feel I wouldn't have had to go through so many years of sadness and fear.
 
2013-03-20 12:56:00 PM  

orbister: But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels,


Although there are exceptions, most of the agonizing is done by whiny non-LGBTQ folks who are biatching about "why do those people get so many labels?"

As evidenced in this thread.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:20 PM  
I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.


I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.
 
2013-03-20 01:05:00 PM  
I have a lungi I picked up in Asia... That's gender appropriate.
 
2013-03-20 01:14:03 PM  

codergirl42: Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?

what do you mean?


Gay or straight... I mean, there's bi...
 
2013-03-20 01:39:31 PM  

maxheck: I have a lungi I picked up in Asia... That's gender appropriate.


A sarong works, too.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:44 PM  
O good, another "Look at me, I'm queer" thread.

Even us old farts don't give a crap as long as you stay off the soap box.

//lude
 
2013-03-20 01:57:12 PM  

Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


You are correct.  "Queer" is a touchy word and you should avoid using it unless you already have "permission."  I try not to use it around anyone who might be offended.

I do, however, often refer to myself is "queer," because I gave myself permission.

It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

(And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.)
 
2013-03-20 02:05:54 PM  

Wayne 985: I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.

I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.


So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?
 
2013-03-20 02:06:46 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.


Well, since homosexuals who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference don't exist, I guess you have nothing against ANY homosexuals.
 
2013-03-20 02:07:42 PM  

Marine1: codergirl42: Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?

what do you mean?

Gay or straight... I mean, there's bi...


Yeah, it's more of a qubit. With Bi being a superposition of both gay and straight. But most people see sexuality as a binary, you're either straight or gay and bisexual is just halfway between both.
 
2013-03-20 02:09:49 PM  

ciberido: Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.

You are correct.  "Queer" is a touchy word and you should avoid using it unless you already have "permission."  I try not to use it around anyone who might be offended.

I do, however, often refer to myself is "queer," because I gave myself permission.

It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

(And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.)


The + is for furries.
 
2013-03-20 02:19:42 PM  
I'm pretty tollerant, but this shiat is pretty far over the edge.  Can't this possibly be "Occasion specific" dress?  Meaning,don't wear a farking T shirt and try to look nice?  There is a big difference between a transgender teen and a drag queen.
 
2013-03-20 02:22:09 PM  

plewis: I'm pretty tollerant, but this shiat is pretty far over the edge.  Can't this possibly be "Occasion specific" dress?  Meaning,don't wear a farking T shirt and try to look nice?  There is a big difference between a transgender teen and a drag queen.


Which difference is that?
 
2013-03-20 02:24:12 PM  

codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.
 
2013-03-20 02:31:30 PM  
Can we just say "divergent sexual interests or gender based identities"?  Is everyone ok with that?  Does that cover everything?  Could just be a "D" for divergent.
 
2013-03-20 02:34:29 PM  
i38.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 02:37:56 PM  
Do you guys remember when crazy people said that giving gays rights would lead to all sorts of insanity?

Did anyone think they were actually RIGHT?

Scary.
 
2013-03-20 02:51:51 PM  

ciberido: And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.


Fat?
 
2013-03-20 02:53:28 PM  

codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


Why does having a label matter so much to you? I like "people" and "me" - all intermediate subgroupings are irrelevant.
 
2013-03-20 02:54:43 PM  

codergirl42: Which difference is that?


Class, style and taste.
 
2013-03-20 02:57:29 PM  

Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.


orbister: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

Why does having a label matter so much to you? I like "people" and "me" - all intermediate subgroupings are irrelevant.


I agree, but if people choose to label themselves a certain way then we should accept that and call them appropriatly.
 
2013-03-20 02:58:31 PM  

orbister: codergirl42: Which difference is that?

Class, style and taste.


Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...
 
2013-03-20 03:01:45 PM  

Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.


If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.
 
2013-03-20 03:07:45 PM  
Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?
 
2013-03-20 03:09:41 PM  
Those of Scot ancestry should wear them in protest that way they can cry "discrimination" when told they can't wear them.

It's not hard to outsmart school administrators.
 
2013-03-20 03:19:01 PM  

codergirl42: retarded


The mentally disabled and handicapped find that label offensive.  I, as a person who believes in a higher power, find your comparison offensive.  As I have tried to refrain from offending you, I would prefer if you were to do the same.
 
2013-03-20 03:28:16 PM  

Farce-Side: codergirl42: retarded

The mentally disabled and handicapped find that label offensive.  I, as a person who believes in a higher power, find your comparison offensive.  As I have tried to refrain from offending you, I would prefer if you were to do the same.


Sorry to have offended you, but that was the point I was trying to make.
 
2013-03-20 03:31:03 PM  

codergirl42: Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...


Of course. However, "drag queen" generally donates a fabulous, well over the top style of dress and behaviour which, nttawwt, is inappropriate for a formal dance.
 
2013-03-20 03:31:57 PM  

codergirl42: Wayne 985: I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.

I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.

So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


THIS!

/Transgendered, but it took me YEARS to realize it!
 
2013-03-20 03:32:21 PM  

codergirl42: I agree, but if people choose to label themselves a certain way then we should accept that and call them appropriatly.


Don't tell me. Tell the poster who has decided that all asexual people should be referred to as queer because he says so and regardless of their wishes in the matter.
 
2013-03-20 03:34:26 PM  

serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?


he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory
 
2013-03-20 03:39:07 PM  

ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.


You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...
 
2013-03-20 03:39:38 PM  

mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory


I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?
 
2013-03-20 03:40:50 PM  

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


Yeah, but "Quiltbag" sounds like a euphemism for an unshorn scrotum.
 
2013-03-20 03:53:21 PM  

mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory


or Q if thats how he defines himself.

serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?


Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.
 
2013-03-20 03:56:00 PM  

orbister: codergirl42: Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...

Of course. However, "drag queen" generally donates a fabulous, well over the top style of dress and behaviour which, nttawwt, is inappropriate for a formal dance.


What a fabulous over the top drag queen might look like:
www.huptalentandbooking.com

/Your stereotypes are showing.
 
2013-03-20 03:59:10 PM  

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.
 
2013-03-20 04:03:55 PM  
shiat's confusing.  Let's just call people people.
 
2013-03-20 04:05:34 PM  

codergirl42: That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.


if you didn't hand quilt the quilted hand bag that you keep your quilting supplies in, you are not a true quiltbag, and neither is said bag of quilts.
 
2013-03-20 04:05:59 PM  

serial_crusher: shiat's confusing.  Let's just call people people.


People People?

myepicjourney.com
 
2013-03-20 04:07:03 PM  
www.cobaltsalon.com
 
2013-03-20 04:14:34 PM  

liam76: victrin: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).

Define it in the abstract?

Really? This a thing now?



Not really, no.  I'm a card-carrying queer (literally, I have a library card for a LGBTQ library) and I've never heard that before.  The main use of "queer" is as an umbrella term that includes both LGB (lesbian, gay, and bisexual) and people who aren't L,B, or G, such as the transgender* and asexual folk.

"Queer" may mean "those who define their sexual identity in the abstract " to SOME people, but no, it is not the primary meaning of the term, not even within the LBGTQ community.


/ You can be both transgender and homosexual, or transgender and bisexual, but you can also be transgender and heterosexual, is what I mean when I say transgender folk ."aren't L,B, or G."
 
2013-03-20 04:19:01 PM  
Jim_Callahan: Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

You've made this point several times before in several other Fark threads and your "misunderstanding" has been explained to you over and over.  At this point you might be trolling, or if you're sincere, you're either belligerently obtuse or extremely stupid.

I'm not sure why gender issues bother you so much but it's really time you started asking yourself why you're so angry about this.  Maybe you need therapy, or maybe you just need to switch to decaff, but in any case, you're starting to sound like a broken record.
 
2013-03-20 04:19:19 PM  

serial_crusher: codergirl42: That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.

if you didn't hand quilt the quilted hand bag that you keep your quilting supplies in, you are not a true quiltbag, and neither is said bag of quilts.

bossip.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-20 04:21:58 PM  

ciberido: Jim_Callahan: Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

You've made this point several times before in several other Fark threads and your "misunderstanding" has been explained to you over and over.  At this point you might be trolling, or if you're sincere, you're either belligerently obtuse or extremely stupid.

I'm not sure why gender issues bother you so much but it's really time you started asking yourself why you're so angry about this.  Maybe you need therapy, or maybe you just need to switch to decaff, but in any case, you're starting to sound like a broken record.


Your also in school to learn how to socialize with people in your own age group. There is a social component to school and self expression is part of that.
 
2013-03-20 04:31:17 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.

Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.


It's always fun watching two homophobes trying to outdo each other.
 
2013-03-20 04:39:22 PM  

serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?


Transgender or Transsexual. In the example used, he could be transgender or merely a cross-dresser. So really, perhaps a "CD", "TG",and "TS" should be added
 
2013-03-20 04:49:19 PM  

Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?



Well, to give one example, asexuals don't want to have sex with anybody.  They generally see themselves as not gay, not bisexual, and not heterosexual, either.  They fall under the "lbgtq" umbrella, but might say they don't fit anywhere on the gay-straight spectrum (e.g., Kinsey scale) .
 
2013-03-20 04:52:14 PM  

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.


Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)
 
2013-03-20 04:55:37 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Don't blame me. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about getting gay men the same (superior) rights that straight men have. Everybody else is just coattailing it into the news and into antidiscrimination legislation. I have nothing in common with lesbians - at least straight women have enough sense to like dick. Bisexuals are always going to scamper back to their hetero side whenever things get ugly (and speaking of ugly, how come none of these alleged "I love the INNER person, gender means NOTHing!" bisexuals never have same sex dates that are ugly?) Transgender is a whole other pile of crap that has nothing to with orientation. And if you don't know your orientation, you are just disoriented - it's not a goddam essential part of your identity. Besides, who you want to have sex with and how well you fit into standard gender identity models are absofarkinglutely different things and I am farking sick of people not bothering to differentiate. I am not a sissy, I don't do drag, I can't queen to save my life, I HATE musicals, Glee is worse than waterboarding, I only have three pairs of shoes, and I am the biggest homo there ever was. Did I get crap for it when I was a kid? No, because of all the sissy boys who just hadn't learned how to act like a man yet. The boys who were too polite, the boys who were fussy about their appearance, the boys who were afraid to jump into the scrum - THEY got massive vileness heaped upon them for their insufficiently testosteroney behaviour, while I slid under the radar and then traded bjs with their tormentors behind the gym after school. It's almost never antigay discrimination or abuse. It's anti-sissy, and it is only about forcing gender appropriate behaviour, just like we teach all kind of other this- or that- appropriate behaviour. It has nothing to do with what your dick smells like when you're done with it. Besides, these days most of the Q is just snotty bored kids going to the safest "bad" place to go to scare their pearl-and-anus-clutching parents before settling into a life of failed aspirations, exponential ennui, and quiet substance abuse. It's like an entire generation grew up without googling David Bowie.

tl/dr: hunh? wha? Stupid people and gay stuff? Grrr! Snarlton! Rowrbazl!
 
2013-03-20 04:57:28 PM  

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)


Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P
 
2013-03-20 05:01:59 PM  

ciberido: and people who aren't L,B, or G, such as the transgender* and asexual folk.

"Queer" may mean "those who define their sexual identity in the abstract " to SOME people, but no, it is not the primary meaning of the term, not even within the LBGTQ community.


That's what "defined in the abstract" means.  "Something different, but not easily categorized or not yet figured out."

I know "in the abstract" sounds academic-y, and this upsets people.
 
2013-03-20 05:04:30 PM  

Meatybrain: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

Don't blame me. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about getting gay men the same (superior) rights that straight men have. Everybody else is just coattailing it into the news and into antidiscrimination legislation. I have nothing in common with lesbians - at least straight women have enough sense to like dick. Bisexuals are always going to scamper back to their hetero side whenever things get ugly (and speaking of ugly, how come none of these alleged "I love the INNER person, gender means NOTHing!" bisexuals never have same sex dates that are ugly?) Transgender is a whole other pile of crap that has nothing to with orientation. And if you don't know your orientation, you are just disoriented - it's not a goddam essential part of your identity. Besides, who you want to have sex with and how well you fit into standard gender identity models are absofarkinglutely different things and I am farking sick of people not bothering to differentiate. I am not a sissy, I don't do drag, I can't queen to save my life, I HATE musicals, Glee is worse than waterboarding, I only have three pairs of shoes, and I am the biggest homo there ever was. Did I get crap for it when I was a kid? No, because of all the sissy boys who just hadn't learned how to act like a man yet. The boys who were too polite, the boys who were fussy about their appearance, the boys who were afraid to jump into the scrum - THEY got massive vileness heaped upon them for their insufficiently testosteroney behaviour, while I slid ...


You sound bitter.
 
2013-03-20 05:06:45 PM  
We should also make them wear race and class appropriate attire.
 
2013-03-20 05:23:45 PM  

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P


Yeah, and what of it?
 
2013-03-20 05:25:21 PM  

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P

Yeah, and what of it?


sorry about that, didn't see your name :P . It came off as rude, lol.

No one has given me shiat...yet, but when I remove the boobies after I have kids, I might get a look or two
 
2013-03-20 05:27:39 PM  
Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.
 
2013-03-20 05:31:48 PM  

codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.


yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.
 
2013-03-20 05:31:53 PM  

mafiageek1980: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P

Yeah, and what of it?

sorry about that, didn't see your name :P . It came off as rude, lol.

No one has given me shiat...yet, but when I remove the boobies after I have kids, I might get a look or two


Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.
 
2013-03-20 05:32:39 PM  

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.

yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.


I hope your husband is cool with it. :)
 
2013-03-20 05:59:18 PM  
Federal courts have already ruled that a public school can't reject a student from a dance who is not wearing what is termed gender appropriate clothing, so this is pretty much a settled issue. And I suspect the school's lawyer knows it, and is beating their head against a wall right now.
 
2013-03-20 06:21:32 PM  

Wayne 985: I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.


And what would you do with asexuals?  Tell them to go fark themselves?

They won't; they don't want to fark anybody.
 
2013-03-20 06:23:03 PM  

lude: O good, another "Look at me, I'm queer" thread.

Even us old farts don't give a crap as long as you stay off the soap box.


So it's to be gay as long as we hide it?  That's awfully generous of you.

How about this?  It's ok to be a bitter old homophobe, as long as you hide it.  That sound fair?
 
2013-03-20 06:27:24 PM  

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


Oh, "quiltbag"?  I like it!
 
2013-03-20 06:31:37 PM  

ciberido: How about this? It's ok to be a bitter old homophobe, as long as you hide it. That sound fair?


As long as there's a strict "don't ask, don't tell" policy! You can't inquire whether or not he's a bitter old homophobe... But, if he should ever reveal that he is, he gets kicked out of the country!
 
2013-03-20 07:57:01 PM  

codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.


But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".
 
2013-03-20 08:03:08 PM  

ciberido: StoPPeRmobile: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.

Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.

It's always fun watching two homophobes trying to outdo each other.


The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.
 
2013-03-20 08:07:01 PM  

Wayne 985: codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.

But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".


To you, "gay rights" might be an umbrella term.  But to lots of people, the idea of throwing transgender or asexual folks under that umbrella very well might not occur to them.

Of course, these are often the same people who are complaining about the acronym having too many letters, and whining about "those people."  So adding more letters might not help.  But it's worth a shot.
 
2013-03-20 08:14:39 PM  

Wayne 985: codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.

But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".



I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.
 
2013-03-20 08:15:21 PM  

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.

yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.

I hope your husband is cool with it. :)


He is. He's very open-minded about it and loves the way I look in men's undies ;)
 
2013-03-20 08:22:47 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.


"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.
 
2013-03-20 08:48:28 PM  
I've got to think people who care too much about gender appropriateness have a lot of tolerance issues everywhere in their lives.
 
2013-03-20 09:05:34 PM  

codergirl42: I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.


I notice you left the "Q" out.
 
2013-03-20 09:22:51 PM  

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


The latest version is LGBTQIA:  Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual.

Have fun googling.
 
2013-03-20 09:25:49 PM  

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


This song answers the question perfectly.
 
2013-03-20 09:37:09 PM  

LostGuy: We should also make them wear race and class appropriate attire.


We don't really have to make them.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:27 PM  

Wayne 985: codergirl42: I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.

I notice you left the "Q" out.


Jesus, sorry, I grew up with LGBT. Thanks being pedantic.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:41 PM  

ciberido: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.

"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.


I'm not intolerant, I'm just unwilling to agree with your delusional thinking.  There's a rather large difference, and I'm sure you understand it, but you have spin that needs spinning.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:04 PM  

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.

yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.

I hope your husband is cool with it. :)

He is. He's very open-minded about it and loves the way I look in men's undies ;)


Good, hope it all works out for you. :)
 
2013-03-20 09:54:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

The latest version is LGBTQIA:  Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual.

Have fun googling.


The latest version is D, for different.
 
2013-03-21 12:17:16 AM  

codergirl42: You sound bitter.


Yeah, that's what they've been telling me. I have been eating more pineapple, though.
 
2013-03-21 12:50:45 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: ciberido: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.

"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.

I'm not intolerant, I'm just unwilling to agree with your delusional thinking.  There's a rather large difference, and I'm sure you understand it, but you have spin that needs spinning.


I understand that you think there's a difference, but then again there used to be segregationists who didn't consider themselves racist.

They were on the wrong side of history. So are you.
 
2013-03-21 01:04:50 AM  

bhcompy: BarkingUnicorn: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

The latest version is LGBTQIA:  Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual.

Have fun googling.

The latest version is D, for different.


It is?  I thought they were tired being labeled "different."

First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.
 
2013-03-21 01:37:06 AM  

Hickory-smoked: BraveNewCheneyWorld: ciberido: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.

"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.

I'm not intolerant, I'm just unwilling to agree with your delusional thinking.  There's a rather large difference, and I'm sure you understand it, but you have spin that needs spinning.

I understand that you think there's a difference, but then again there used to be segregationists who didn't consider themselves racist.

They were on the wrong side of history. So are you.


It was in the latter half of the 90s when a then family friend sat in my family's living room and proclaimed that he wasn't a racist, he just believed that the Bible clearly taught that the races were supposed to be separate. It was quite the educational experience for me because dude and his wife assumed that because my parents were good conservative Christians that they'd agree that race mixing was a sin. We had no idea they were so ridiculously racist because they never brought their racism up because they assumed everyone agreed with them. But no, no siree, they weren't racist, race mixing was just unnatural and everyone knew that and the only way someone would race mix was if they were rebelling against their parents.

In other words, same tune, different lyrics to what we hear now about gay people.
 
2013-03-21 03:06:28 AM  

rynthetyn: It was in the latter half of the 90s when a then family friend sat in my family's living room and proclaimed that he wasn't a racist, he just believed that the Bible clearly taught that the races were supposed to be separate. It was quite the educational experience for me because dude and his wife assumed that because my parents were good conservative Christians that they'd agree that race mixing was a sin. We had no idea they were so ridiculously racist because they never brought their racism up because they assumed everyone agreed with them. But no, no siree, they weren't racist, race mixing was just unnatural and everyone knew that and the only way someone would race mix was if they were rebelling against their parents.


The false-consensus effect is a real girly dog.
 
2013-03-21 09:06:42 AM  

Wayne 985: I notice you left the "Q" out.


She left all six of the Qs, the A, two more Bs, three cyrillic letters, four Hebrew letters and a couple of squiggles from the Voynich manuscript out. Why does she hate so many people?
 
2013-03-21 10:18:21 AM  

Marine1: What the transgender community needs to do is institute a "tell". Like the thing where gay dudes wore one earing in their right ears. That way, everyone else knows that they're transgender and can adjust their sensibilities accordingly.


That would be handy. Maybe we could all wear little badges, like stars. Pink for queers, gold for jews, and so on.
 
2013-03-21 11:41:44 AM  

ciberido: rynthetyn: It was in the latter half of the 90s when a then family friend sat in my family's living room and proclaimed that he wasn't a racist, he just believed that the Bible clearly taught that the races were supposed to be separate. It was quite the educational experience for me because dude and his wife assumed that because my parents were good conservative Christians that they'd agree that race mixing was a sin. We had no idea they were so ridiculously racist because they never brought their racism up because they assumed everyone agreed with them. But no, no siree, they weren't racist, race mixing was just unnatural and everyone knew that and the only way someone would race mix was if they were rebelling against their parents.

The false-consensus effect is a real girly dog.


My (extended) family business was recently looking for new accounts, and my dad's cousin's branch was absolutely appalled that we were considering a bunch of "New York Jews" to run our finances.

Now, I'm not saying they're racist, but ever single time I've been to their McMansion the tv was running FOX News unattended.
 
2013-03-22 01:29:15 AM  

codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.

I notice you left the "Q" out.

Jesus, sorry, I grew up with LGBT. Thanks being pedantic.


Now you sound like me.
 
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