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(NBC Bay Area)   ACLU up in arms because students of a California high school were told they could only wear "gender appropriate" clothing for school pictures and prom. Did no one think to just get the guys to wear kilts in protest?   (nbcbayarea.com) divider line 211
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2013-03-20 03:31:57 PM

codergirl42: Wayne 985: I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.

I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.

So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


THIS!

/Transgendered, but it took me YEARS to realize it!
 
2013-03-20 03:32:21 PM

codergirl42: I agree, but if people choose to label themselves a certain way then we should accept that and call them appropriatly.


Don't tell me. Tell the poster who has decided that all asexual people should be referred to as queer because he says so and regardless of their wishes in the matter.
 
2013-03-20 03:34:26 PM

serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?


he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory
 
2013-03-20 03:39:07 PM

ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.


You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...
 
2013-03-20 03:39:38 PM

mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory


I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?
 
2013-03-20 03:40:50 PM

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


Yeah, but "Quiltbag" sounds like a euphemism for an unshorn scrotum.
 
2013-03-20 03:53:21 PM

mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory


or Q if thats how he defines himself.

serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?


Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.
 
2013-03-20 03:56:00 PM

orbister: codergirl42: Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...

Of course. However, "drag queen" generally donates a fabulous, well over the top style of dress and behaviour which, nttawwt, is inappropriate for a formal dance.


What a fabulous over the top drag queen might look like:
www.huptalentandbooking.com

/Your stereotypes are showing.
 
2013-03-20 03:59:10 PM

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.
 
2013-03-20 04:03:55 PM
shiat's confusing.  Let's just call people people.
 
2013-03-20 04:05:34 PM

codergirl42: That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.


if you didn't hand quilt the quilted hand bag that you keep your quilting supplies in, you are not a true quiltbag, and neither is said bag of quilts.
 
2013-03-20 04:05:59 PM

serial_crusher: shiat's confusing.  Let's just call people people.


People People?

myepicjourney.com
 
2013-03-20 04:07:03 PM
www.cobaltsalon.com
 
2013-03-20 04:14:34 PM

liam76: victrin: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).

Define it in the abstract?

Really? This a thing now?



Not really, no.  I'm a card-carrying queer (literally, I have a library card for a LGBTQ library) and I've never heard that before.  The main use of "queer" is as an umbrella term that includes both LGB (lesbian, gay, and bisexual) and people who aren't L,B, or G, such as the transgender* and asexual folk.

"Queer" may mean "those who define their sexual identity in the abstract " to SOME people, but no, it is not the primary meaning of the term, not even within the LBGTQ community.


/ You can be both transgender and homosexual, or transgender and bisexual, but you can also be transgender and heterosexual, is what I mean when I say transgender folk ."aren't L,B, or G."
 
2013-03-20 04:19:01 PM
Jim_Callahan: Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

You've made this point several times before in several other Fark threads and your "misunderstanding" has been explained to you over and over.  At this point you might be trolling, or if you're sincere, you're either belligerently obtuse or extremely stupid.

I'm not sure why gender issues bother you so much but it's really time you started asking yourself why you're so angry about this.  Maybe you need therapy, or maybe you just need to switch to decaff, but in any case, you're starting to sound like a broken record.
 
2013-03-20 04:19:19 PM

serial_crusher: codergirl42: That'll get too confusing, do you know how much the gays love to quilt. How will we know when we are talking about the LGBT or the bag we store our quilting supplies in and/or our fabulously quilted hand bag.

if you didn't hand quilt the quilted hand bag that you keep your quilting supplies in, you are not a true quiltbag, and neither is said bag of quilts.

bossip.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-20 04:21:58 PM

ciberido: Jim_Callahan: Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

You've made this point several times before in several other Fark threads and your "misunderstanding" has been explained to you over and over.  At this point you might be trolling, or if you're sincere, you're either belligerently obtuse or extremely stupid.

I'm not sure why gender issues bother you so much but it's really time you started asking yourself why you're so angry about this.  Maybe you need therapy, or maybe you just need to switch to decaff, but in any case, you're starting to sound like a broken record.


Your also in school to learn how to socialize with people in your own age group. There is a social component to school and self expression is part of that.
 
2013-03-20 04:31:17 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.

Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.


It's always fun watching two homophobes trying to outdo each other.
 
2013-03-20 04:39:22 PM

serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?


Transgender or Transsexual. In the example used, he could be transgender or merely a cross-dresser. So really, perhaps a "CD", "TG",and "TS" should be added
 
2013-03-20 04:49:19 PM

Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?



Well, to give one example, asexuals don't want to have sex with anybody.  They generally see themselves as not gay, not bisexual, and not heterosexual, either.  They fall under the "lbgtq" umbrella, but might say they don't fit anywhere on the gay-straight spectrum (e.g., Kinsey scale) .
 
2013-03-20 04:52:14 PM

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.


Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)
 
2013-03-20 04:55:37 PM

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Don't blame me. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about getting gay men the same (superior) rights that straight men have. Everybody else is just coattailing it into the news and into antidiscrimination legislation. I have nothing in common with lesbians - at least straight women have enough sense to like dick. Bisexuals are always going to scamper back to their hetero side whenever things get ugly (and speaking of ugly, how come none of these alleged "I love the INNER person, gender means NOTHing!" bisexuals never have same sex dates that are ugly?) Transgender is a whole other pile of crap that has nothing to with orientation. And if you don't know your orientation, you are just disoriented - it's not a goddam essential part of your identity. Besides, who you want to have sex with and how well you fit into standard gender identity models are absofarkinglutely different things and I am farking sick of people not bothering to differentiate. I am not a sissy, I don't do drag, I can't queen to save my life, I HATE musicals, Glee is worse than waterboarding, I only have three pairs of shoes, and I am the biggest homo there ever was. Did I get crap for it when I was a kid? No, because of all the sissy boys who just hadn't learned how to act like a man yet. The boys who were too polite, the boys who were fussy about their appearance, the boys who were afraid to jump into the scrum - THEY got massive vileness heaped upon them for their insufficiently testosteroney behaviour, while I slid under the radar and then traded bjs with their tormentors behind the gym after school. It's almost never antigay discrimination or abuse. It's anti-sissy, and it is only about forcing gender appropriate behaviour, just like we teach all kind of other this- or that- appropriate behaviour. It has nothing to do with what your dick smells like when you're done with it. Besides, these days most of the Q is just snotty bored kids going to the safest "bad" place to go to scare their pearl-and-anus-clutching parents before settling into a life of failed aspirations, exponential ennui, and quiet substance abuse. It's like an entire generation grew up without googling David Bowie.

tl/dr: hunh? wha? Stupid people and gay stuff? Grrr! Snarlton! Rowrbazl!
 
2013-03-20 04:57:28 PM

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)


Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P
 
2013-03-20 05:01:59 PM

ciberido: and people who aren't L,B, or G, such as the transgender* and asexual folk.

"Queer" may mean "those who define their sexual identity in the abstract " to SOME people, but no, it is not the primary meaning of the term, not even within the LBGTQ community.


That's what "defined in the abstract" means.  "Something different, but not easily categorized or not yet figured out."

I know "in the abstract" sounds academic-y, and this upsets people.
 
2013-03-20 05:04:30 PM

Meatybrain: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

Don't blame me. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about getting gay men the same (superior) rights that straight men have. Everybody else is just coattailing it into the news and into antidiscrimination legislation. I have nothing in common with lesbians - at least straight women have enough sense to like dick. Bisexuals are always going to scamper back to their hetero side whenever things get ugly (and speaking of ugly, how come none of these alleged "I love the INNER person, gender means NOTHing!" bisexuals never have same sex dates that are ugly?) Transgender is a whole other pile of crap that has nothing to with orientation. And if you don't know your orientation, you are just disoriented - it's not a goddam essential part of your identity. Besides, who you want to have sex with and how well you fit into standard gender identity models are absofarkinglutely different things and I am farking sick of people not bothering to differentiate. I am not a sissy, I don't do drag, I can't queen to save my life, I HATE musicals, Glee is worse than waterboarding, I only have three pairs of shoes, and I am the biggest homo there ever was. Did I get crap for it when I was a kid? No, because of all the sissy boys who just hadn't learned how to act like a man yet. The boys who were too polite, the boys who were fussy about their appearance, the boys who were afraid to jump into the scrum - THEY got massive vileness heaped upon them for their insufficiently testosteroney behaviour, while I slid ...


You sound bitter.
 
2013-03-20 05:06:45 PM
We should also make them wear race and class appropriate attire.
 
2013-03-20 05:23:45 PM

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P


Yeah, and what of it?
 
2013-03-20 05:25:21 PM

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P

Yeah, and what of it?


sorry about that, didn't see your name :P . It came off as rude, lol.

No one has given me shiat...yet, but when I remove the boobies after I have kids, I might get a look or two
 
2013-03-20 05:27:39 PM
Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.
 
2013-03-20 05:31:48 PM

codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.


yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.
 
2013-03-20 05:31:53 PM

mafiageek1980: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

or Q if thats how he defines himself.serial_crusher: mafiageek1980: serial_crusher: Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?

he can, but he would fall into the "T" catagory

I thought T meant transgender, not transvestite.  Now it's a LGBTTTQBBQ?

Transgender is an umbrella term, much like Queer, Transgender includes transexuals, transvestites, cross dressers, and other gender non-conformists. I personally identify as Transgender since none of the other labels are appropriate for me.

Nice to meet a fellow married-TG :)

Hope your not married in the state of Texas. :P

Yeah, and what of it?

sorry about that, didn't see your name :P . It came off as rude, lol.

No one has given me shiat...yet, but when I remove the boobies after I have kids, I might get a look or two


Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.
 
2013-03-20 05:32:39 PM

mafiageek1980: codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.

yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.


I hope your husband is cool with it. :)
 
2013-03-20 05:59:18 PM
Federal courts have already ruled that a public school can't reject a student from a dance who is not wearing what is termed gender appropriate clothing, so this is pretty much a settled issue. And I suspect the school's lawyer knows it, and is beating their head against a wall right now.
 
2013-03-20 06:21:32 PM

Wayne 985: I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.


And what would you do with asexuals?  Tell them to go fark themselves?

They won't; they don't want to fark anybody.
 
2013-03-20 06:23:03 PM

lude: O good, another "Look at me, I'm queer" thread.

Even us old farts don't give a crap as long as you stay off the soap box.


So it's to be gay as long as we hide it?  That's awfully generous of you.

How about this?  It's ok to be a bitter old homophobe, as long as you hide it.  That sound fair?
 
2013-03-20 06:27:24 PM

RobSeace: ciberido: It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

You really just need a properly pronouncable acronym, and it would no longer be so cumbersome... Someone in a previous thread mentioned QUILTBAG, which I kind of like...


Oh, "quiltbag"?  I like it!
 
2013-03-20 06:31:37 PM

ciberido: How about this? It's ok to be a bitter old homophobe, as long as you hide it. That sound fair?


As long as there's a strict "don't ask, don't tell" policy! You can't inquire whether or not he's a bitter old homophobe... But, if he should ever reveal that he is, he gets kicked out of the country!
 
2013-03-20 07:57:01 PM

codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.


But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".
 
2013-03-20 08:03:08 PM

ciberido: StoPPeRmobile: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.

Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.

It's always fun watching two homophobes trying to outdo each other.


The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.
 
2013-03-20 08:07:01 PM

Wayne 985: codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.

But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".


To you, "gay rights" might be an umbrella term.  But to lots of people, the idea of throwing transgender or asexual folks under that umbrella very well might not occur to them.

Of course, these are often the same people who are complaining about the acronym having too many letters, and whining about "those people."  So adding more letters might not help.  But it's worth a shot.
 
2013-03-20 08:14:39 PM

Wayne 985: codergirl42: Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.

If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.

But that's just it: "Christian" is an umbrella term, much like "gay rights". You can specify "Roman Catholic", "Pentecostal", or "Latter-Day Saint", but you wouldn't try and include every sub-group instead of just saying "Christian".



I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.
 
2013-03-20 08:15:21 PM

codergirl42: mafiageek1980: codergirl42: Texas frowns on transgender marriage. I guess if your married to a dude it'll be okay since your genes would be considered compatible in Texas.

yeah, I'm married to a bio-dude. I plan to keep my parts until after I have kids. Then I might start doing some "chopping", lol.

I hope your husband is cool with it. :)


He is. He's very open-minded about it and loves the way I look in men's undies ;)
 
2013-03-20 08:22:47 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.


"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.
 
2013-03-20 08:48:28 PM
I've got to think people who care too much about gender appropriateness have a lot of tolerance issues everywhere in their lives.
 
2013-03-20 09:05:34 PM

codergirl42: I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves,

it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.

I notice you left the "Q" out.
 
2013-03-20 09:22:51 PM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


The latest version is LGBTQIA:  Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual.

Have fun googling.
 
2013-03-20 09:25:49 PM

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


This song answers the question perfectly.
 
2013-03-20 09:37:09 PM

LostGuy: We should also make them wear race and class appropriate attire.


We don't really have to make them.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:27 PM

Wayne 985: codergirl42: I'm pretty sure catholics like to make that distiction, usually people like to be specific about thier religion like "I'm a baptist" or "I'm a methodist", we do group them all under christianity but these people will make sure you know they are the beilivers in a particular brand of christianity. Anyways it's more apples and oranges than anything and your trying to take my point to far. People label themselves, it's a matter of respect to refer to them as the labels they prefer. Yes you can have umbrella terms to group them together but there are still distictions and with the LGBT community that distiction is necassary for visibility and inclusiveness.

I notice you left the "Q" out.


Jesus, sorry, I grew up with LGBT. Thanks being pedantic.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:41 PM

ciberido: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic.  The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.

"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.


I'm not intolerant, I'm just unwilling to agree with your delusional thinking.  There's a rather large difference, and I'm sure you understand it, but you have spin that needs spinning.
 
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