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(NBC Bay Area)   ACLU up in arms because students of a California high school were told they could only wear "gender appropriate" clothing for school pictures and prom. Did no one think to just get the guys to wear kilts in protest?   (nbcbayarea.com) divider line 211
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2013-03-20 11:10:38 AM
Every time these gender-based school dress codes have been in court, they've been shot down. You'd think the superintendents would know by now.
 
2013-03-20 11:14:03 AM
If you can't make dubious fashion choices in high school, when can you make them? I thought that was what high school is for--wearing things that make your horrified to look at your old pictures.

Seriously though, this sounds like it's more about going after girls in tuxedos than the slight possibility that a guy would show up in a dress, which makes the whole thing extra stupid since girls have worn tuxes for ages. A tuxedo IS women's wear.
 
2013-03-20 11:16:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: r1niceboy: Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.

Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.

Whose?


I don't ask my victims their names.
 
2013-03-20 11:18:00 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Questioning.  They still have some more questions before they choose their sexuality.  But it's not a choice.
 
2013-03-20 11:25:50 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Quite Quarrelsome.

L is laughing at lions, G getting giggles. B bursting balloons....
 
2013-03-20 11:26:02 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.


Can you blame them? They are pissed that they can't wear their buttplug-equipped gimp suit to work. I feel their pain. I'm certain you do.
 
2013-03-20 11:42:36 AM

Theaetetus: Every time these gender-based school dress codes have been in court, they've been shot down. You'd think the superintendents would know by now.


FTFA: In a statement, interim superintendent McLaughlin said he was returning to the district from spring break to "personally oversee a thorough examination of this situation."

The superintendent does know... it's the idiot teachers and administration at the particular school who evidently don't.
 
2013-03-20 11:43:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


I think you just stumbled on what could bring bigots and us LGBTQs together: BBQ! We both love a good cookout, so let's party! I'm telling ya it would be one hell of a Peace Treaty/Truce after a few lbs of food and a few beers, lol!
 
2013-03-20 11:44:03 AM

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.
 
2013-03-20 11:56:54 AM

codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.


Where else can you take it?
 
2013-03-20 12:00:56 PM

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?


Shoes and socks
 
2013-03-20 12:11:04 PM

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?



Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.
 
2013-03-20 12:15:10 PM

Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?


what do you mean?
 
2013-03-20 12:20:58 PM

ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.


I think the order should be altered, though. I can't help but read it as Let's Go To the Bar-B-Que.
 
2013-03-20 12:22:43 PM

codergirl42: It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.


How about the ones who don't identify anywhere between gay and straight (hint: if it's a range it's not binary) OR queer? Do they get a letter too?
 
2013-03-20 12:23:57 PM

ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.


What makes you think asexual people like the "queer" label?
 
2013-03-20 12:27:18 PM
After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?
 
2013-03-20 12:32:11 PM

orbister: ciberido: We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

What makes you think asexual people like the "queer" label?


It isn't exactly the greatest community.  Some of the L and G part of that community has issues with the B part. All three of those groups may contain members who have trouble with the T part, and so on and so forth.  When I went through college it was just lesbians and gays and they were rallying against letting the transgenders in, they wanted the university to set up a separate group for them.
 
2013-03-20 12:32:53 PM

orbister: codergirl42: It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

How about the ones who don't identify anywhere between gay and straight (hint: if it's a range it's not binary) OR queer? Do they get a letter too?


It stands for Queer or Questioning. I already know sexual preference is not a binary but many people think it is. I was just trying to help clarify the meaning of the Q in LGBTQ. We could add others like asexuals but they aren't usually discriminated agaist or generally disenfranchised from society like LGBTQ folk.
 
2013-03-20 12:35:06 PM

orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?


I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?
 
2013-03-20 12:41:53 PM

mafiageek1980: orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?

I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?



Why do you hate FreedomTM?
 
2013-03-20 12:45:43 PM

mafiageek1980: orbister: After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?

I wish more people could understand this. It's so true. Unless you are in the dating world, it's "what you can do for the company", not what you are wearing. Until then, these poor high schoolers who *dare* go to the prom if they are Trans are denied being who they feel they are. Hell, they just want to dance and party with everyone else. Why stop them?


It's sad, I didn't go to my prom or most of the school dances even though I wasn't out in highschool. I didn't want to participate in an event where I didn't feel comfortable and couldn't go as I pleased. I don't know if my school would have had issues with gender non-conforming students but I was more worried about what my fellow students would think had I come out in high school. I wish we had a society where LGBTQ kids can feel comfortable in thier own skin and not live in fear of bullying and ridicule(from faculty, students and society at large). It really had a huge impact on me and I was horribly depresed through highschool and most of my young adult life. Transitioning helped but it wasn't immediate it took years to become socially adjusted.  Had I been able to deal with these issues earlier in life I feel I wouldn't have had to go through so many years of sadness and fear.
 
2013-03-20 12:56:00 PM

orbister: But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels,


Although there are exceptions, most of the agonizing is done by whiny non-LGBTQ folks who are biatching about "why do those people get so many labels?"

As evidenced in this thread.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:20 PM
I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.


I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.
 
2013-03-20 01:05:00 PM
I have a lungi I picked up in Asia... That's gender appropriate.
 
2013-03-20 01:14:03 PM

codergirl42: Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?

what do you mean?


Gay or straight... I mean, there's bi...
 
2013-03-20 01:39:31 PM

maxheck: I have a lungi I picked up in Asia... That's gender appropriate.


A sarong works, too.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:44 PM
O good, another "Look at me, I'm queer" thread.

Even us old farts don't give a crap as long as you stay off the soap box.

//lude
 
2013-03-20 01:57:12 PM

Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


You are correct.  "Queer" is a touchy word and you should avoid using it unless you already have "permission."  I try not to use it around anyone who might be offended.

I do, however, often refer to myself is "queer," because I gave myself permission.

It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

(And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.)
 
2013-03-20 02:05:54 PM

Wayne 985: I've seen plenty of women wearing smart suits, and if a dude wants to wear a dress, then whatever. As long as everything is covered, I really don't care, and have to question people who do. Getting bothered by this seems like an enormous waste of time.

ciberido: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


Yes, because there are actually MANY people who spend years questioning or struggling with their sexuality. Having the term "questioning" merely acknowledges this reality.  It also serves as a way of communicating them that they are welcome to be a part of the LBGTQ community without any need to claim to be bisexual or gay.

We also use the "q" to mean "queer" which is a catch-all word that includes people (such as asexuals) who are part of the LBGTQ community but who aren't L,B,G, or T.

I'm sorry if this confuses you or makes your life more difficult---well, no, honestly, I'm not really.

I'm a gay man and I'll readily claims it's silly. "GBT" is all it should be, at most.


So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?
 
2013-03-20 02:06:46 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.


Well, since homosexuals who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference don't exist, I guess you have nothing against ANY homosexuals.
 
2013-03-20 02:07:42 PM

Marine1: codergirl42: Marine1: codergirl42: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

It can also atand for Queer. Some people don't Identify Within the Gay-Straight binarY.

Where else can you take it?

what do you mean?

Gay or straight... I mean, there's bi...


Yeah, it's more of a qubit. With Bi being a superposition of both gay and straight. But most people see sexuality as a binary, you're either straight or gay and bisexual is just halfway between both.
 
2013-03-20 02:09:49 PM

ciberido: Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.

You are correct.  "Queer" is a touchy word and you should avoid using it unless you already have "permission."  I try not to use it around anyone who might be offended.

I do, however, often refer to myself is "queer," because I gave myself permission.

It's unfortunate that "queer" is still a touchy word because it would be a GREAT way to replace the cumbersome "LBGTQ+' acronym/initialism with a simple, short word.

(And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.)


The + is for furries.
 
2013-03-20 02:19:42 PM
I'm pretty tollerant, but this shiat is pretty far over the edge.  Can't this possibly be "Occasion specific" dress?  Meaning,don't wear a farking T shirt and try to look nice?  There is a big difference between a transgender teen and a drag queen.
 
2013-03-20 02:22:09 PM

plewis: I'm pretty tollerant, but this shiat is pretty far over the edge.  Can't this possibly be "Occasion specific" dress?  Meaning,don't wear a farking T shirt and try to look nice?  There is a big difference between a transgender teen and a drag queen.


Which difference is that?
 
2013-03-20 02:24:12 PM

codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.
 
2013-03-20 02:31:30 PM
Can we just say "divergent sexual interests or gender based identities"?  Is everyone ok with that?  Does that cover everything?  Could just be a "D" for divergent.
 
2013-03-20 02:34:29 PM
i38.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 02:37:56 PM
Do you guys remember when crazy people said that giving gays rights would lead to all sorts of insanity?

Did anyone think they were actually RIGHT?

Scary.
 
2013-03-20 02:51:51 PM

ciberido: And yes, some people use "LBGTQ+" with a plus sign.  I'm big into gay rights, and even I am not sure sure myself what the hell the "+" is for.


Fat?
 
2013-03-20 02:53:28 PM

codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?


Why does having a label matter so much to you? I like "people" and "me" - all intermediate subgroupings are irrelevant.
 
2013-03-20 02:54:43 PM

codergirl42: Which difference is that?


Class, style and taste.
 
2013-03-20 02:57:29 PM

Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.


orbister: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

Why does having a label matter so much to you? I like "people" and "me" - all intermediate subgroupings are irrelevant.


I agree, but if people choose to label themselves a certain way then we should accept that and call them appropriatly.
 
2013-03-20 02:58:31 PM

orbister: codergirl42: Which difference is that?

Class, style and taste.


Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...
 
2013-03-20 03:01:45 PM

Wayne 985: codergirl42: So you think young people that havent figured out thier gender/sexual identity should be excluded simply becuase they don't neatly fit into the GBT label?  Before I transitioned I would have easily fit into the Q column, but since I wasn't out I didn't feel like there was even a place for me in the LGBT community. Yes the T column would apply to me but what about people that aren't interested in transitioning but are still gender non-confirming?

What about gay dwarfs who don't feel they fit entirely with either community? Should we add a "D" in there? Although, I guess "little person" is the preferred nomenclature now, so it would be LGBTQLP. At a certain point, why not just add the entire alphabet?

Look, we all know what "gay rights" broadly entails. It's not excluding anyone if we don't include every possible configuration in a label. If you want a gay rights group to include some sort of a charter or mission statement that includes all of that, go for it. Just make the title something short and to-the-point.


If labels don't matter why do we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Why even have labels, I think retarded would be an appropriate label to define them all but those pesky religous types demand to have thier labels respected and treated equally.
 
2013-03-20 03:07:45 PM
Why does this have to be a "gay rights" thread?  A heterosexual man can't wear "women's clothing" and still be heterosexual?  Now who's discriminating huh?
 
2013-03-20 03:09:41 PM
Those of Scot ancestry should wear them in protest that way they can cry "discrimination" when told they can't wear them.

It's not hard to outsmart school administrators.
 
2013-03-20 03:19:01 PM

codergirl42: retarded


The mentally disabled and handicapped find that label offensive.  I, as a person who believes in a higher power, find your comparison offensive.  As I have tried to refrain from offending you, I would prefer if you were to do the same.
 
2013-03-20 03:28:16 PM

Farce-Side: codergirl42: retarded

The mentally disabled and handicapped find that label offensive.  I, as a person who believes in a higher power, find your comparison offensive.  As I have tried to refrain from offending you, I would prefer if you were to do the same.


Sorry to have offended you, but that was the point I was trying to make.
 
2013-03-20 03:31:03 PM

codergirl42: Good point, however not all trans people have those qualities nor does being a drag queen preclude one from having those qualities. Some trans people are also drag queens as well...


Of course. However, "drag queen" generally donates a fabulous, well over the top style of dress and behaviour which, nttawwt, is inappropriate for a formal dance.
 
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