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(NBC Bay Area)   ACLU up in arms because students of a California high school were told they could only wear "gender appropriate" clothing for school pictures and prom. Did no one think to just get the guys to wear kilts in protest?   (nbcbayarea.com) divider line 211
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2013-03-20 09:55:18 AM  

doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

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another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.



So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.
 
2013-03-20 09:56:08 AM  
Enforce school uniforms.. pretty simple if you have a problem with the way people dress

/yea, I went to school in gang territory
 
2013-03-20 09:59:40 AM  

Tom_Slick: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony.  A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


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2013-03-20 10:00:00 AM  

JWideman: FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

You're missing the point - the rest of us aren't classifying them, this is how they classify themselves.


And I am pretty sure that is who he is mocking.

I know that is why I found it laughable.

I think a simple flow chart of what type of bits you have, what you want to do with your bits identifies you pretty clearly.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:22 AM  

Mr Guy: Marine1: Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

My response to this story hinges on the answer to one question:  If a girl shows up in an appropriate female designed three piece suit, are they willing to accept that a suit designed for the body wearing it is formally appropriate.  For example, do ROTC women have the option of wearing dress blues with dress slacks?

This woman, is she wearing gender specific clothing, in their minds:

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Sure... well, to me.

I think this will be more of a problem when you have guys intentionally dressing up as women and acting in a misogynist manner.

Moral of the story is this: human beings use gender in determining how they act towards a person. It can range from a guy being more vocal with a female to smacking her ass and telling her to get him a sandwich. Women have their ways as well. When you screw with that perception, people will treat you differently, for better or for worse. Hopefully, we find a way to make it better, but it's gonna take a while.

What the transgender community needs to do is institute a "tell". Like the thing where gay dudes wore one earing in their right ears. That way, everyone else knows that they're transgender and can adjust their sensibilities accordingly.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:30 AM  

bhcompy: Enforce school uniforms.. pretty simple if you have a problem with the way people dress

/yea, I went to school in gang territory


School Uniforms solve all kinds of issues, including making the amount of time it takes your daughter to get ready for school incredibly short.

/Parents at my Daughter's school were were all up in arms when the school banned Crocs.
 
2013-03-20 10:00:59 AM  
There is far too much farking alphabet soup in here
 
2013-03-20 10:01:00 AM  
I supposed it really depends on how you define prom.  To some people it is supposed to the high society, formal event at which point there are pretty firm rules for the dress code, at least in term of do nots.  Whereas if it just another dumb school function, as long as it doesn't violate the student hand book, meh.

I'd imagine what will happen is proms will become "private" events that get organized by a group of parents and those events will just assign strict codes which they can do as a private organization.  I'd really rather just let the school assign the dress code and that way you can keep the threat of "if you spike the punch, your ass rots in detention forever".  If it isn't a school event, then the only threat is "We'll call the cops on you" which seems heavy handed.
 
2013-03-20 10:01:27 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.


So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.


But a kilt looks like women's clothing. It's a pleated skirt.

A man's kimono is pretty much the manliest thing next to a penis gourd because the men who wore it used to cut their own stomachs open as many as 9 times to show how hard they were.
 
2013-03-20 10:02:13 AM  
Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?
 
2013-03-20 10:03:10 AM  

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?


No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.
 
2013-03-20 10:03:39 AM  

Farce-Side: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

Another good suggestion.

victrin: Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).

I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


It was a very touchy word, but over the years, a movement started to reclaim the word, and now people use it to describe a sexual orientation that is more abstract. If you go and call someone "a queer", yes it is still an insult. However, if you say, "Yes, Adam identifies as queer", you're good.
 
2013-03-20 10:03:42 AM  

doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: doglover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.

That's a man's outfit. Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.


So is a kilt -- which is my point, dude.

But a kilt looks like women's clothing. It's a pleated skirt.

A man's kimono is pretty much the manliest thing next to a penis gourd because the men who wore it used to cut their own stomachs open as many as 9 times to show how hard they were.


Didn't all Japanese men wear them?
 
2013-03-20 10:04:28 AM  

Skarekrough: I've known enough Scots in my day to know what an incredibly stupid move that was. He could have made Sherman's march look like a slapfight.


The kid was of Scottish heritage, played the bag pipes, and thought it was a good idea.  Most of the people in the school thought he was trying too hard to upstage the kid who wore leisure suits to school everyday and went to prom in a powder blue tux with ruffles.
 
2013-03-20 10:04:31 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths

Frowning on shenanigans:

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*Shakes tiny fist*

Though I was going to add, too bad they are "white."
 
2013-03-20 10:06:39 AM  

Aurric: Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.

It can be.  Many LGBT people self-identify as "queer" and want to be referred to as such.  It is, however, a word with a sort of vulgar history, and a lot of people still don't like it.

A good rule of thumb is that you use it to describe someone who uses it to describe themselves.  Don't ever ask if someone's gay by saying, "So, are you queer?"


Thanks for taking the time to answer my silly questions.  Really, as far as asking if someone's gay or not, my rule of thumb is I don't.  Because I really don't care.  And I don't really describe people when I introduce them or talk about them in terms of their sexuality, so I don't think I'll have a problem referring to someone as queer who doesn't want to be referred to as such.  I just thought it was kind of weird to include in an "official" type acronym for a subset of the population when a good portion of that group don't take too kindly to being described by that word.  I kind of wish we could just get past identifying people based on their sexuality or lack thereof, and just base it on merit and strength of character.  You know, instead of ,"Yea you remember Dave, the gay one" it could just be, "Yea you remember Dave, the asshole who reported me to HR for falling asleep at my desk", or "Yea you remember Dave, the dude who bought us the double Jamesons last time we were at the bar".  I guess I live in a fantasy world though.
 
2013-03-20 10:10:00 AM  
I think it cool but only if you intend to murder.

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2013-03-20 10:12:00 AM  

gopher321: California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.


Outside the major urban areas you get more redneck, less fruit and nuts.

This is one of those issues where I'm perfectly fine with allowing everyone regardless of gender going a nice tux looking fabulous and calling it good, but I also recognize that this country no longer tolerates common sense compromise.
 
2013-03-20 10:13:09 AM  
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2013-03-20 10:13:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Let's Go To a BBQ!

Sounds great to me.
 
2013-03-20 10:14:17 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Aurric

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.

Never under estimate the power of douche-baggary. I could easily see a straight guy wearing a dress to with the intention to piss off the gay ones to see if they complain. If the homosexual kids do, then they are hypocrites, and he has successfully shown how some homosexuals expect tolerance but are unwilling to give the same respects.

I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.

/like pulling the race card.


Why would they complain? They'd probably congratulate him for coming out, and at the prom no less. The whole night people would be asking him if his parents knew.
 
2013-03-20 10:16:45 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.


What if you are wearing a kilt, not as a form of protest, but just because you like wearing klts?
 
2013-03-20 10:16:47 AM  
LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.
 
2013-03-20 10:18:13 AM  

liam76: Didn't all Japanese men wear them?


Only the samurai.

Poor people never wear nice clothes.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:04 AM  

jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?



You mom's lipstick.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:44 AM  

justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.


No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.
 
2013-03-20 10:21:50 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Questioning what?
 
2013-03-20 10:25:24 AM  

lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?


It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?
 
2013-03-20 10:26:58 AM  

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


No. It's to the tune of "The Highland Fling", and the answer is "Awang, awang!"
 
2013-03-20 10:29:08 AM  
FTA: "Me, myself personally would like to wear tuxedo and heels to prom," Smithson-Johnston said."

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2013-03-20 10:32:38 AM  

doglover: liam76: Didn't all Japanese men wear them?

Only the samurai.

Poor people never wear nice clothes.


They weren't as nice, but the same basic setup was worn by farmers.

Plus not all rich people were samurai, andnot all samurai were rich enough for nice clothes.
 
2013-03-20 10:33:55 AM  

justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.


I actually think they have a point with Prom.  Prom is explicitly a social activity and the students should be allowed to wear basically whatever they want that wouldn't get you arrested for public indecency if you wore it walking on the street.  Self-expression is a legitimate activity in context.

School picture day is a different animal, though, it takes away from class time and is intended simply to document your presence in archival photos in the future.  If you troll the moral guardians just to hold up the queue and attention whore, then I'm fine with them just giving you the boot for the duration of the activity and getting on with it so everyone can get back to class.

Dafatone: lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?

It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?


It stands for queer, mon.  Dude's messing with you.

It's sort of a nonspecific catch-all, which is why it's frequently left off the end, doesn't really mean anything.
 
2013-03-20 10:35:52 AM  
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school,"

because it's the last time THAT's gonna happen
 
2013-03-20 10:38:19 AM  
Let's just all agree that they can wear whatever the fark they want to their idiotic farking proms and can take whoever they want and jesus fark why the hell does this even concern people so damn much.

Shut up school admins. Just shut your farking coont whore mouths and let the kids dye their hair rainbow or whatever. It bothers me that I had more personal freedoms in high school in WV in the 90s then kids seem to now. Perhaps waste your energy trying to cut down on bullying and rape and shiat among the bastards.

I need a drink.
 
2013-03-20 10:39:49 AM  

liam76: They weren't as nice, but the same basic setup was worn by farmers.


Not even close.


The kimono was and remains retardedly expensive. It's a formal garment, like a toga. Even today with modern production of cloth, a new men's kimono with hakama and haori costs upwards of $1500. Women's garments have no price ceiling.

Farmers wore leggings like European hose and a tunic type shirt that opens in the front.

cwfp.biz
 
2013-03-20 10:42:11 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: lenfromak: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Questioning what?

It's almost as if high schoolers haven't figured themselves out yet.  Who knew?

It stands for queer, mon.  Dude's messing with you.

It's sort of a nonspecific catch-all, which is why it's frequently left off the end, doesn't really mean anything.


I really should have addressed that to a less tongue-in-cheek and more actually outraged poster, but the notion of "wah why haven't these people figured this out yet!" is upsetting on like, 8 levels.  What with high schoolers being high schoolers.  And "these people" being shiatty.
 
2013-03-20 10:42:14 AM  

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


THIS  My son is gay and even he thinks that the continuous sub-grouping is getting pretty farking stupid.  "I'm one of you...but I don't identify with anything you've spelled out so far, so add another letter for me"
 
2013-03-20 10:43:39 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.

No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.




It's not until Monday?
 
2013-03-20 10:44:09 AM  
Women in tuxedos/suits?  How SCANDALOUS!

www.bejubeju.com

/The fact she's smoking is more controversial today than her mode of attire...
//Clearly this school system still exists in the late 1800s.
 
2013-03-20 10:45:18 AM  
Gay guys wear dresses to prom now?

This country is declining rapidly.
 
2013-03-20 10:48:05 AM  

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


This is in line with that. Everyone born with penises wears tuxes, everyone born with vaginas wears dresses.

Your choice in sexuality doesn't change your gender.
 
2013-03-20 10:52:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: justinguarini4ever: LGBTQFT youth should just suck it up and just wear something classy for prom. It's not a fashion show.

No, it's a pointless ritual put on so teenagers have a reason to grope each other and maybe fark after the guy gets the girl drunk enough.

Where does "class" even enter into it.


Oh I agree that it is pointless. And it is definitely not classy at its core. But for the brief moment where you are still sober, it might be the nicest you have ever looked in your life.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:25 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Isn't gay bbq called "spit roasting"? Google it, NSFW lol.
 
2013-03-20 10:55:33 AM  

Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.


Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:44 AM  

r1niceboy: Marine1: jso2897: Oooooooh, what does a Scotsman wear under his kilt?

No true Scotsman would wear something under his kilt.

Although I do keep sandwiches, a first aid kit, a hip flask, a relief map of northern Germany, and a spare carburetor under mine. And a penis.


Whose?
 
2013-03-20 10:58:23 AM  
They shouldn't just limit that rule to gender.  Clothing should be appropriate to the form of the individual wearing it.  Too many fat chicks wearing skinny chick dresses when I went to prom.
 
2013-03-20 10:58:50 AM  
Next thing you know those black kids are going to want to show up to the white prom! I mean come on I'm sure they realize that being black is frowned upon and they can have their own prom later if they want to go.  But we can't let them show up black because you just know that some kid is going to put on blackface just to see if the black kids complain!


/it's always stupid.
 
2013-03-20 11:02:13 AM  
I always try and rememeber that for those traditionalists, High School is the peak of their lives - being football captain or wrestling star or state champ pitcher is as GOOD as their life will get.  They don't want that experience of being on top of the world for one brief period by pictures in their soon to be well-thumbed senior yearbook of guys dressed like girls and vice versa.  That's just a major comedown for them.

For a musical treatment on the above theme, Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" will satisfy.
 
2013-03-20 11:03:14 AM  
Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior?  Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.
 
2013-03-20 11:07:58 AM  

bmwericus: I always try and rememeber that for those traditionalists, High School is the peak of their lives - being football captain or wrestling star or state champ pitcher is as GOOD as their life will get


What, you didn't just get pregnant and drop out your senior year, then move in to a trailer park with your 26 year old unemployed babbydaddy?  You unamerican or something?
 
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