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(NBC Bay Area)   ACLU up in arms because students of a California high school were told they could only wear "gender appropriate" clothing for school pictures and prom. Did no one think to just get the guys to wear kilts in protest?   (nbcbayarea.com) divider line 211
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2013-03-20 09:18:23 AM
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2013-03-20 09:18:35 AM
California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.
 
2013-03-20 09:27:00 AM
Interesting how the national discourse on bigotry went from lynching black folk to denying the right for a woman to wear a tux.
 
2013-03-20 09:29:42 AM
A codpiece is very gender-appropriate. The Black Russian especially so.
 
2013-03-20 09:30:36 AM

gopher321: California? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Seems odd...you'd think they would be more open-minded there.


Anywhere away from the bay or LA and it gets very conservative.

Girls in suits and guys in kilts would be gender appropriate and amazing.
 
2013-03-20 09:32:40 AM
They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.
 
2013-03-20 09:33:48 AM
I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.
 
2013-03-20 09:34:45 AM
Yeah, pretty sure that's against the law, unless this is a private catholic school
 
2013-03-20 09:35:07 AM

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.


That would be a case of not thinking your cunning plan all the way through, because wouldn't the douche guy get more shiat for wearing a dress than he would be giving the gay kids?
 
2013-03-20 09:35:07 AM
FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.


*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.
 
2013-03-20 09:35:21 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Questioning
 
2013-03-20 09:35:34 AM
CSB:

There was a kid kicked out of my prom for wearing a Kilt, this was in Georgia in 1993.

/CSB
 
2013-03-20 09:35:42 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?
 
2013-03-20 09:36:53 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Queer. No joking. It's like a catch-all phrase. You don't want to claim yourself gay or bi. So, you go with queer.
 
2013-03-20 09:37:15 AM

mekki: FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.


Or, dress like the Third Doctor...

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2013-03-20 09:37:29 AM

mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.


Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths
 
2013-03-20 09:37:46 AM

Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.


Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).
 
2013-03-20 09:38:42 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony.  A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.
 
2013-03-20 09:39:03 AM
Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?
 
2013-03-20 09:39:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


LGTBBQWTFLOL
 
2013-03-20 09:39:27 AM

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.
 
2013-03-20 09:40:26 AM

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.


"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.
 
2013-03-20 09:41:29 AM
"Having resolved all other more pressing civil rights abuses..."
 
2013-03-20 09:41:44 AM

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?
 
2013-03-20 09:41:46 AM

Bullroarer_Took: Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?


Ah, but the administrators would shiat themselves because it was a kilt, which looks kind of like a skirt, which is what they don't want.

So, while the student would be technically correct (the best kind of correct), the administration would still frown upon it and probably bar the bekilted students from participating in anything.
 
2013-03-20 09:42:17 AM

Tom_Slick: BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmony. A gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


And truer words were never spoken
 
2013-03-20 09:42:51 AM
In one incident, a teacher told a student who commented that he did not have a valentine on Valentine's Day, that that's "because you're gay and nobody wants to be with you." In another, an administrator referred to a gay student's campaign for homecoming queen as a "joke." Another teacher told a student to "take the gay headband off."

The gay student's campaign probably WAS halfway between joke and protest, and you can't make a big stink about wearing self identifying clothing and then complain when people refer to your clothing by the label it endorses.  You don't both get to have "gay pride" and complain "gay" is pejorative.  Labels restrict the thinking of the person doing the labeling, not the one being labeled.

Whether or not gender specific clothing should be required entirely depends on what the uniform is otherwise.  School is a place where you are safe to learn, not a place where you are free from restrictions.  What matters more is whether the restrictions are applied evenly.  As long as you are equally not allowed to endorse ANY overtly political position, which specific one being restricted isn't important.  Likewise, specific dress code for the purpose of conformity isn't a burden all by itself, just because you don't personally express yourself that way.  Express yourself on your own time, and self identify with divisive issues on your own time as well.
 
2013-03-20 09:43:38 AM

Farce-Side: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.


Q can mean Queer as well.  Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."
 
2013-03-20 09:44:35 AM

mekki: FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning.
"All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.


Prepare the case for your lawsuit after before you even begin.
Let them fall into your trap.
Make them squirm as you pull witnesses, fabulous, flaming, fashion experts to show how little the school knows about the history of fashion and fop.
Make it a clear public record of how ignorant the school staff is.
Oh, and profit.
Jabbot rentals aren't cheap, you know.
 
2013-03-20 09:45:00 AM

Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning


Ah, I can't wait to have to explain to my grandchildren what all 26 letters of the LGBTZOMGHAXUFIABBBFFWTFBBQ movement mean.
 
2013-03-20 09:45:37 AM
So why weren't they wearing dresses or some feminine attire during the interviews? Oh, I get it, they just want to be attention whores at the prom. Ok whatever, but that is so gay.
 
2013-03-20 09:46:15 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?


Another good suggestion.

victrin: Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).


I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.
 
2013-03-20 09:46:52 AM
Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

factsanddetails.com

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.
 
2013-03-20 09:47:16 AM
OK...

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-20 09:47:42 AM

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


Gender is a protected class. Clothing, on the other hand, isn't. Especially since the majority of gay men do not crossdress. It is not seen as traditional dress for men to wear traditionally feminine attire.
 
2013-03-20 09:47:50 AM

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


No, "gender" is not a federally protected class, unless you're going to try and construe that gender identity is genetically predisposed, which is an argument that hasn't yet been made to get gender identify included as genetic information.  The feds recognize genetic sex, not mental gender.
 
2013-03-20 09:48:01 AM

Bullroarer_Took: Why would you wear gender-appropriate clothing to protest being forced to wear gender-appropriate clothing?

Shouldn't guys wear something that's not gender-appropriate? Like dresses of something?


That's what I'm saying.
 
2013-03-20 09:48:44 AM

mekki: Gender is a protected class in certain states and cities.


FTFY
 
2013-03-20 09:49:13 AM

Aurric: Farce-Side: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.  I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain".  That way the acronym could be LGBUT.  You know, like "Large Butt".  Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.

Q can mean Queer as well.  Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."


Yeah... gay dudes, you guys gotta get the acronyms set. It's getting confusing. Not sure if that's intentional or not.

As for the Prom... well... if I showed up dressed like Kurt Cobain on a severe bender, they'd probably send me home. They enforce standards as to what you can wear. Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

/retired smartass teenager
//every time I try to get out of the game, they pull me back in.
 
2013-03-20 09:50:56 AM
Aurric

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.


Never under estimate the power of douche-baggary. I could easily see a straight guy wearing a dress to with the intention to piss off the gay ones to see if they complain. If the homosexual kids do, then they are hypocrites, and he has successfully shown how some homosexuals expect tolerance but are unwilling to give the same respects.

I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.

/like pulling the race card.
 
2013-03-20 09:50:58 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Kilts are lame, a half-assed super-safe form of protest.

Wear a dress.  A real one, marketed to women.
Put ribbons in your hair, pigtails.
Dress like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.

That's gender-farking.  Wearing a kilt? Might as well wear this

[factsanddetails.com image 303x474]

another lame, half-assed super-safe form of 'protest'.


That's a man's outfit.

Women have much different kimono and their hakama come in crazy bright colors for the girls and they usually forgo a haori unless it's cold.
 
2013-03-20 09:51:01 AM

Lost Thought 00: mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths


Frowning on shenanigans:

www.tatwong.com
 
2013-03-20 09:51:27 AM

Farce-Side: I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals.  Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks.  Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.


It can be.  Many LGBT people self-identify as "queer" and want to be referred to as such.  It is, however, a word with a sort of vulgar history, and a lot of people still don't like it.

A good rule of thumb is that you use it to describe someone who uses it to describe themselves.  Don't ever ask if someone's gay by saying, "So, are you queer?"
 
2013-03-20 09:52:11 AM

Tom_Slick: CSB:

There was a kid kicked out of my prom for wearing a Kilt, this was in Georgia in 1993.

/CSB


I've known enough Scots in my day to know what an incredibly stupid move that was.  He could have made Sherman's march look like a slapfight.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:16 AM

victrin: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).


Define it in the abstract?

Really? This a thing now?
 
2013-03-20 09:52:38 AM

Aurric: TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.


i3.ytimg.com

Markie Mark disagrees.
 
2013-03-20 09:52:49 AM
There are formal pantsuits that are cut for women and not actually necessarily cross-dressing, and obviously a kilt is a male-specific item of clothing that's essentially a skirt of you want to go that route.

Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class.  Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time.  I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

Same goes for teachers, stop farking trolling your students over their social shiat and make sure they can add and goddamned subtract when they get into my classroom.  I'm about one engineering undergrad who can't figure out how Newton's fitting method works from the textbook (something requiring basically Algebra 1) from snapping and building an army of death-bots to spot targets for my giant farking moon laser, so please at least consider actually doing your jobs for once in your lives instead of trying to "raise" the little buggers.

//Unfortunately intimately familiar with the lack of professional discipline in CA primary/secondary teachers.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:45 AM

FilmBELOH20: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT.  Whats the Q for?  Questioning?  Quixotic?  Quonfused?  Honest question, no troll bro.  Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake.  I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?


You're missing the point - the rest of us aren't classifying them, this is how they classify themselves.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:58 AM

Marine1: Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.


My response to this story hinges on the answer to one question:  If a girl shows up in an appropriate female designed three piece suit, are they willing to accept that a suit designed for the body wearing it is formally appropriate.  For example, do ROTC women have the option of wearing dress blues with dress slacks?

This woman, is she wearing gender specific clothing, in their minds:

www.uscg.mil
 
2013-03-20 09:55:11 AM

Tom_Slick: FirstNationalBastard: I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

BBQ is the greatest equalizer in the world, slow smoked meat promotes harmonyA gay black man who cooks good BBQ could sell it at a Klan rally wearing an evening gown.


Wait, are you sure we're talking about BBQ?
 
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