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2013-03-20 08:15:27 AM
There needs to be a hot/defenestration scale.
 
2013-03-20 08:41:35 AM
If the sexes were reversed, there wouldn't be much sympathy. "Your honor, sure, I pushed my wife through the window, but it was too thin! I thought it would bounce her back like a trampoline."

So in the interests of equality and public order, put her away.
 
2013-03-20 09:21:41 AM
...and gravity
 
2013-03-20 09:26:53 AM
So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?
 
2013-03-20 09:29:57 AM
I blame society.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-03-20 09:33:55 AM
It's not the fall, that part is actually pretty fun. But that sudden stop at the end really sucks out loud
 
2013-03-20 09:56:48 AM
Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.
 
2013-03-20 09:59:22 AM
She blamed the break-away glass for pushing her husband?
 
2013-03-20 10:00:39 AM
Wait, on what possibly grounds do they have for asking the repairman if he feared the lady he was working for, the one time he had contact with her?  How on earth is that relevant information?

What did the line of questioning go like:

Attorney:  So that biatch, kinda crazy eyes right?
Rosala:  biatches be crazy.
 
2013-03-20 10:01:38 AM
But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?
 
2013-03-20 10:02:44 AM

abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?


He probably has experience with pregnant ladies.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-20 10:03:06 AM
 
2013-03-20 10:05:21 AM
i18.photobucket.com

So - d'ya feel better now, little girl?
 
2013-03-20 10:07:22 AM

SmackLT: ...and gravity


Was gonna say that too

/DAMN YOU NEWTON!
 
2013-03-20 10:07:39 AM

abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?


"Oh my god!  I pushed my husband out the window!  Quit fix it because the RUSH!  OH MY GOD THE RUSHFIX THAT WINDOW YOU GLORIOUS FALLING BASTARD."

He only wrote it down, because it seemed like it was going to come up later.
 
2013-03-20 10:09:12 AM
Might hit it.

/Crazy eyes though.
 
2013-03-20 10:11:21 AM

Mr Guy: Wait, on what possibly grounds do they have for asking the repairman if he feared the lady he was working for, the one time he had contact with her?  How on earth is that relevant information?

What did the line of questioning go like:

Attorney:  So that biatch, kinda crazy eyes right?
Rosala:  biatches be crazy.


As the 12 men of the jury nod knowingly.
 
2013-03-20 10:11:46 AM
That's like the time my first wife died while she was cleaning my gun.
It also reminds me of when my second wife drowned in our toilet.
Then there was the incident when, oh and this was funny, my third wife stepped backward and over the edge at the Grand Canyon while I was trying to take her picture.
My fourth wife -- don't even get me started on trying to explain why she would bake a cyanide cake.
And then just last night, my fifth wife choked to death on her vibrator. I have no idea what she was trying to do.

Anyway, that means I'm single ladies.
 
2013-03-20 10:12:54 AM

Mr Guy: abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?

"Oh my god!  I pushed my husband out the window!  Quit fix it because the RUSH!  OH MY GOD THE RUSH!  FIX THAT WINDOW YOU GLORIOUS FALLING BASTARD."

He only wrote it down, because it seemed like it was going to come up later.


Like a lion she stalked her prey, waiting for him to drop his guard ever so slightly. As Rosala examined the broken shares of glass that littered the now destroyed living, he felt her warm breath on the back of his neck.

"Sure would be tragic if you fell out of the window similar to my husband"
 
2013-03-20 10:14:25 AM

abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?


Probably because she kept walking up behind him real fast when he was measuring the thickness of the glass.
 
2013-03-20 10:14:40 AM

abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?


She was likely aiming for a killing spree

/but couldn't even get a double-kill
 
2013-03-20 10:18:16 AM

Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?


What? You want people to cut themselves on glass shards? Far safer to have an entire section of building snap off and break away.

It's time for a ban on fully automatic assault windows. And blonde chicks built like linebackers.

/BTW, dear Daily News, it's "rationale", not "rational".
 
2013-03-20 10:20:28 AM

abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?


Well, to be fair... if I heard my neighbors glass shatter, I walked over there to see whats up, and some woman screams at me that she just murdered somebody by pushing them out the window..... I might just not feel too safe walking near the edge in her presence.

You know, since she just murdered somebody by pushing them through the window.
 
2013-03-20 10:23:25 AM
It's my experience that any girl named Amber is someone that is batshiat crazy to begin with.
 
2013-03-20 10:25:31 AM

Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.


This
 
2013-03-20 10:26:33 AM
/would still hit it
//in a one story building
 
2013-03-20 10:26:54 AM

WhyKnot: Mr Guy: abhorrent1: But Rosales also told the jury that he feared that Amber Hilberling might push him through the broken window after he entered.
Seems odd. Why would he think that? Did he assume she was going on a "Push people out the window" spree?

"Oh my god!  I pushed my husband out the window!  Quit fix it because the RUSH!  OH MY GOD THE RUSH!  FIX THAT WINDOW YOU GLORIOUS FALLING BASTARD."

He only wrote it down, because it seemed like it was going to come up later.

Like a lion she stalked her prey, waiting for him to drop his guard ever so slightly. As Rosala examined the broken shares of glass that littered the now destroyed living, he felt her warm breath on the back of his neck.

"Sure would be tragic if you fell out of the window similar to my husband"


All I saw was the dame standing there in the glare of the fluorescents waving her arms like a huge puppet and the curse I spit out filled the apartment and my own ears. I wrenched the door knob over, felt the latch start to slide, brought it out with a splash of power and almost ran up the side of a wall as the door fishtailed. The chain bit in, gouging a furrow in the door jamb, then jumped to the end of the latch and held.

Somehow I had managed a sweeping curve around the babe, and opened the door. For a few seconds she had been living on stolen time because instead of getting out of the way she had tried to stay in the path of the lock stile. I stood there and let myself shake. The butt that had fallen out of my mouth had burned a hole in the leg of my pants and I flipped it out the window. The stink of burned cigarettes and cheap booze hung in the air like smoke and I was thinking of every damn thing I ever wanted to say to a hairbrained woman so I could have it ready when I got my hands on her.

That was as far as I got. She was there in the apartment beside me, the door slammed shut and she said, "Thanks, mister."

I knew the dame was bad news. Real bad news.
 
2013-03-20 10:26:54 AM
Armando Rosales, a glass repairman, went to the apartment after hearing the glass shatter. He corroborated Amber Hilberling's claim to the court that the large pane was in fact thinner than what is typically used in highrise windows.

A truly fortunate coincidence to find a glass repairman happening by on that fateful day
 
2013-03-20 10:27:40 AM
And in related news:

RELATED: CALIFORNIA WOMAN TRIED TO CUT HUSBAND'S PENIS WITH SCISSORS, COPS
 
2013-03-20 10:28:31 AM
FTFA: "The woman even sued University Club Tower in Tulsa for alleged negligence stemming from the "dangerously unsafe" glass"

Really?!?!

/Seth Meyers
 
2013-03-20 10:30:48 AM
This sounds like the same thing as a break away football jersey.

"He could fall all the way... and does!"
 
2013-03-20 10:35:19 AM
There is no way I would vote "guilty" as a juror.

The building should have installed the proper glass. Go after them.

/would hit it
 
2013-03-20 10:38:33 AM
Good luck, Mr. Prosecutor. You will need it.
 
2013-03-20 10:39:16 AM

Master Sphincter: There is no way I would vote "guilty" as a juror.

The building should have installed the proper glass. Go after them.

/would hit it


Not guilty of what?

She committed manslaughter 100%.  You dont get to shove somebody at glass and just assume they wont get injured.
 
2013-03-20 10:41:04 AM

Master Sphincter: /would hit it


And it would be thrilling. You'd be afraid the whole time.
 
2013-03-20 10:42:03 AM

Mr Guy: Wait, on what possibly grounds do they have for asking the repairman if he feared the lady he was working for, the one time he had contact with her?  How on earth is that relevant information?

What did the line of questioning go like:

Attorney:  So that biatch, kinda crazy eyes right?
Rosala:  biatches be crazy.


yeah, I was wondering what kind of a defense attorney allowed that line of questioning.  kudos on the prosecution for pulling a fast one.
 
2013-03-20 10:43:39 AM

EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This


:p

Tulsa has this.
 
2013-03-20 10:43:42 AM

EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This


all the same, isn't tulsa a big tornado place?  wouldn't they want even stronger than normal glass on a high rise?
 
2013-03-20 10:45:34 AM
There are very specific building codes pertaining to the glass used in highrise buildings for this very reason but a building not being built to code does not mean that you can kill people with impunity. What this is going to come down to is if she expected the glass to break or not. If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe, if not then not. She's going to have to take the stand a convince the jury. Good news for her shes a woman and she isn't ugly. She'll probably walk.
 
2013-03-20 10:45:50 AM
As soon as I read the Fark headline I knew who it was about. Josh was my first cousin on my dad's side. I saw him last about a decade or more before his death. I couldn't believe it when I heard what had happened. We've been following the court stuff and hear occasional updates from the family. Just a terrible way to die.
 
2013-03-20 10:45:56 AM
Rookie mistake on the husband's part - you never try to argue with a pregnant woman in person. Just agree with everything they say, leave at the first opportunity and call when you're a good hour's drive away and you can say what you really think in safety.
 
2013-03-20 10:46:02 AM
Another United States military man, no doubt accepting all the benefits and graces for "serving" his country, yet easily killed by an unarmed woman.  No wonder you lose every war you're in.

Practicing my Iron Sheik routine
 
2013-03-20 10:49:25 AM
If only there was a glazing submittal on record at the architect's office with detailed information about the glass that was installed.
 
2013-03-20 10:50:57 AM
She didn't think it through. If she'd said she "felt threatened" by her husband, she'd be home free.
 
2013-03-20 10:52:11 AM
media.salon.com

To be fair, he did sign up with Consumer Recreation Services to play a game. Obviously someone forgot to set up the inflatable bag to catch him. She should sue CRS.

/somewhat obscure?
 
2013-03-20 10:52:13 AM

Egoy3k: There are very specific building codes pertaining to the glass used in highrise buildings for this very reason but a building not being built to code does not mean that you can kill people with impunity. What this is going to come down to is if she expected the glass to break or not. If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe, if not then not. She's going to have to take the stand a convince the jury. Good news for her shes a woman and she isn't ugly. She'll probably walk.


If she is still pregnant, then it is more of a waddle.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:41 AM

reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.


Well, you know what they say, Tulsa is the Paris of Oklahoma.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:46 AM

buckler: And in related news:

RELATED: CALIFORNIA WOMAN TRIED TO CUT HUSBAND'S PENIS WITH SCISSORS, COPS


I saw that. Wondering how you use a cop to cut a penis? Does the cop carry a pen15 knife?
 
2013-03-20 10:56:29 AM
Proximate cause.

"But for"
 
2013-03-20 10:57:15 AM

MythDragon: [media.salon.com image 660x440]

To be fair, he did sign up with Consumer Recreation Services to play a game. Obviously someone forgot to set up the inflatable bag to catch him. She should sue CRS.

/somewhat obscure?


How can a major movie starring Michael Douglas and Sean Penn be obscure?
 
2013-03-20 10:58:14 AM

Egoy3k: If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe


No, it'd still be manslaughter.

It's like if you punched someone and they fell, hit their head and died from the injury: even though you didn't intend it, you're still legally responsible.
 
2013-03-20 10:58:33 AM
Yeah, but if you think about it, he only fell 15 floors.
 
2013-03-20 10:58:45 AM

Alonjar: Master Sphincter: There is no way I would vote "guilty" as a juror.

The building should have installed the proper glass. Go after them.

/would hit it

Not guilty of what?

She committed manslaughter 100%.  You dont get to shove somebody at glass and just assume they wont get injured.


At some point one has to look at whether a death is a reasonable possibility of the actions of the accused though don't they?

Not all non-murder killings are manslaughter, some are just accidents.

I don't have enough information in this article to draw a conclusion, tbh.
 
2013-03-20 10:59:34 AM

markfara: She didn't think it through. If she'd said she "felt threatened" by her husband, she'd be home free.


That's her EXACT defense.  She was pregnant and hormonal, and he threatened her.  She responded with what she believed would be a safe space clearing shove, and had no way of knowing that incorrectly installed glass would give way.
 
2013-03-20 10:59:44 AM

Generation_D: Armando Rosales, a glass repairman, went to the apartment after hearing the glass shatter. He corroborated Amber Hilberling's claim to the court that the large pane was in fact thinner than what is typically used in highrise windows.

A truly fortunate coincidence to find a glass repairman happening by on that fateful day


I thought that was really weird too.
 
2013-03-20 11:02:27 AM
Tulsan here. She was convicted of 2nd degree murder this week. The jury recommended that she serve the maximum time allowed under that conviction - 25 years (for a clean record, which she has). During the deliberations, they asked if the judge could modify that sentence. I think they wanted her to serve more time. She was offered a plea deal last week of 5 years but didn't take it. Her whole family is very religious, and they were holding prayer vigils leading up to the deliberations.
 
2013-03-20 11:03:19 AM

Via Infinito: Generation_D: Armando Rosales, a glass repairman, went to the apartment after hearing the glass shatter. He corroborated Amber Hilberling's claim to the court that the large pane was in fact thinner than what is typically used in highrise windows.

A truly fortunate coincidence to find a glass repairman happening by on that fateful day

I thought that was really weird too.


Coincidence?  I don't believe in coincidences.
lucysfur.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-20 11:05:46 AM

reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

"

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States"

That's like being the fastest kid in the Special Olympics...
 
2013-03-20 11:06:38 AM
There is a lot of White Knighting in this thread. Look guys, she isn't going to give you sexy time just because you side with her.

She may not be guilty of murder, but sure as hell was responsible for his death. Thin glass or not, you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.
 
2013-03-20 11:07:35 AM

Gunther: Egoy3k: If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe

No, it'd still be manslaughter.

It's like if you punched someone and they fell, hit their head and died from the injury: even though you didn't intend it, you're still legally responsible.


A push in and of itself doesn't really strike me as being on the same level as a punch, in terms of the degree to which it can reasonably be expected to cause injury.
 
2013-03-20 11:08:07 AM

Menqet: Tulsan here. She was convicted of 2nd degree murder this week. The jury recommended that she serve the maximum time allowed under that conviction - 25 years


Wow, any reason they were so hard on her?

I'd have expected 5-10 years for manslaughter.
 
2013-03-20 11:08:14 AM

EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This


Wow, they even have a 60 story hospital.
malialitman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-20 11:09:24 AM

Gunther: Wow, any reason they were so hard on her?


Because they thought the story was bullsh*t, which means she killed her husband intentionally?

Just a guess.
 
2013-03-20 11:09:44 AM

NightOwl2255: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

Wow, they even have a 60 story hospital.
[malialitman.files.wordpress.com image 440x369]


No windows at all? Looks safe.
 
2013-03-20 11:11:37 AM

reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.


At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.
 
2013-03-20 11:11:48 AM

NightOwl2255: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

Wow, they even have a 60 story hospital.
[malialitman.files.wordpress.com image 440x369]


I love Oral Roberts U and their Tomorrowland campus.  It's the future!
 
2013-03-20 11:12:37 AM

Via Infinito: Generation_D: Armando Rosales, a glass repairman, went to the apartment after hearing the glass shatter. He corroborated Amber Hilberling's claim to the court that the large pane was in fact thinner than what is typically used in highrise windows.

A truly fortunate coincidence to find a glass repairman happening by on that fateful day

I thought that was really weird too.


Does seem a tad strange.  Anyway, her story just seems suspicious even with out that.

A thin pane may have led to thin ice.

My God, someone get an editor.
 
2013-03-20 11:12:41 AM

Gunther: Menqet: Tulsan here. She was convicted of 2nd degree murder this week. The jury recommended that she serve the maximum time allowed under that conviction - 25 years

Wow, any reason they were so hard on her?

I'd have expected 5-10 years for manslaughter.



She was out on probation but was remanded back to jail for failing a drug test. I'm sure her conflicting statements about what happened really had a lot to do with it, too. During the initial interviews after the incident, she admitted to pushing him as a joke while he was messing with the TV. Then, during the trial, her defense was that it was self defense, and he grabbed her shoulders. She claims she feared for her life and pushed him back to defend herself and her baby. Her family is extremely wealthy and very delusional.
 
2013-03-20 11:13:00 AM

Biological Ali: Gunther: Egoy3k: If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe

No, it'd still be manslaughter.

It's like if you punched someone and they fell, hit their head and died from the injury: even though you didn't intend it, you're still legally responsible.

A push in and of itself doesn't really strike me as being on the same level as a punch, in terms of the degree to which it can reasonably be expected to cause injury.


What I was thinking was, on her part, a determined two-to-three step accelerating forward momentum shove towards the window (he'd have his back to her, probably)..  That'd do it.....
 
2013-03-20 11:13:03 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: She may not be guilty of murder, but sure as hell was responsible for his death. Thin glass or not, you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.


Not if, as she contends, it was a defensive shove.  People seem to be missing that this story is about her doubling down on her defense.  Her defense is that it's not murder OR manslaughter, because it was self defense.  Additionally, she's claiming she was deprived of her husband because improperly installed glass allowed a minor squabble to escalate into involuntary manslaughter.
 
2013-03-20 11:13:15 AM

Mr Guy: markfara: She didn't think it through. If she'd said she "felt threatened" by her husband, she'd be home free.

That's her EXACT defense.  She was pregnant and hormonal, and he threatened her.  She responded with what she believed would be a safe space clearing shove, and had no way of knowing that incorrectly installed glass would give way.


There is no evidence in that article that points to the glass being installed incorrectly.  All that was said is that the glass is thinner than what is installed now.  Have codes been updated since then due to more information on what types of glass to use in high-rise building?  Was the building built before all this information was available and the codes were updated? Etc., etc.  Just because the glass is thinner does not mean it was installed wrong.   However, if that particular piece of glass was replaced after the building codes were updated then there just might be some bite to the notion that the glass was installed incorrectly but so far, ftfa, there is nothing that points in that direction.

Either way it goes for this lady the one thing to remember is that glass breaks.  All the time. Glass is not some magical life-saving, rubberized, bounce-back-when-pushed-into type of device, it's their to let light in, and to allow viewing.  And what causes one piece of glass to break may notnecessarilycause a different piece of glass to break,  Just keep in mind that it will break.

/was a glazier for 13 years
 
2013-03-20 11:14:05 AM

Biological Ali: Gunther: Egoy3k: If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe

No, it'd still be manslaughter.

It's like if you punched someone and they fell, hit their head and died from the injury: even though you didn't intend it, you're still legally responsible.

A push in and of itself doesn't really strike me as being on the same level as a punch, in terms of the degree to which it can reasonably be expected to cause injury.


Shoving someone against a window hard enough to send them through even thin glass requires a pretty serious push. It seems like it'd be on the same level of injury as a punch

The Muthaship: Because they thought the story was bullsh*t, which means she killed her husband intentionally?


Yeah, but what led them to think that?
 
2013-03-20 11:15:23 AM
I don't know why anyone would want to live in OK, the only time I went through there on a road trip I coined it the land of flying hot trash. There was just trash everywhere blowing around and it's hot as shiat. Plus I got caught in a bad super storm cell (or whatever they're called), holyshiat that was scary.
 
2013-03-20 11:15:33 AM
Oh, and the husband had a protective order against her, too, which expired a couple weeks before she pushed him out of the window. Yeah, she crazy.
 
2013-03-20 11:15:40 AM
Helen Hunt loves the break-away glass....
 
2013-03-20 11:16:12 AM

Gunther: Yeah, but what led them to think that?


Sounds like Menqet has a better handle on that than I.
 
2013-03-20 11:16:28 AM

Snarfangel: If the sexes were reversed, there wouldn't be much sympathy. "Your honor, sure, I pushed my wife through the window, but it was too thin! I thought it would bounce her back like a trampoline."

So in the interests of equality and public order, put her away.


Actually, it's still either second degree murder in either case. The only defense this woman has is that she acted in self defense and then the glass was too thin and her husband fell to his death. .
 
2013-03-20 11:17:18 AM

SmackLT: ...and gravity


Not scientifically valid - it's only a theory. Just like evolution.

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY.
 
2013-03-20 11:18:25 AM

Menqet: Tulsan here. She was convicted of 2nd degree murder this week. The jury recommended that she serve the maximum time allowed under that conviction - 25 years (for a clean record, which she has). During the deliberations, they asked if the judge could modify that sentence. I think they wanted her to serve more time. She was offered a plea deal last week of 5 years but didn't take it. Her whole family is very religious, and they were holding prayer vigils leading up to the deliberations.


So either their god doesn't listen to prayers, or he wants her to do hard time.
 
2013-03-20 11:18:30 AM

LeroyBourne: I don't know why anyone would want to live in OK, the only time I went through there on a road trip I coined it the land of flying hot trash. There was just trash everywhere blowing around and it's hot as shiat. Plus I got caught in a bad super storm cell (or whatever they're called), holyshiat that was scary.


We had to drive through OK once. It was HORRIBLE. Bumpiest damn road I've ever been on.
 
2013-03-20 11:19:43 AM
According to another article, she was abusive to him, told his parents that if they stayed together she'd probably end up killing him and the fight happened after she found out he packed his bags and was leaving her.

Doesn't sound like self defense to me.
 
2013-03-20 11:21:10 AM

NightOwl2255: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

Wow, they even have a 60 story hospital.
[malialitman.files.wordpress.com image 440x369]


Well mostly it's office space, with a hospital in the building.  I can't imagine a city of less than half a million supporting a 60 story hospital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityPlex_Towers
 
2013-03-20 11:21:12 AM
If you want to witness the train-wreck first hand, check out the Amber Hilberling is Innocent facebook page: Praying, praying, praying, then OMG! The judge had it out for her the whole time! The truth will come out! Blah, blah, blah...
 
2013-03-20 11:22:28 AM

Menqet: If you want to witness the train-wreck first hand, check out the Amber Hilberling is Innocent facebook page: Praying, praying, praying, then OMG! The judge had it out for her the whole time! The truth will come out! Blah, blah, blah...


It was a bench trial?  Her lawyer should be disbarred.
 
2013-03-20 11:22:29 AM
The BOK tower (formerly the Williams Center Building) in downtown Tulsa has 52 stories so this isn't the biggest building in Tulsa by a long shot
 
2013-03-20 11:22:53 AM

PoochUMD: According to another article, she was abusive to him, told his parents that if they stayed together she'd probably end up killing him and the fight happened after she found out he packed his bags and was leaving her.

Doesn't sound like self defense to me.


Did she send the bags with him?
 
2013-03-20 11:25:13 AM

The Muthaship: Menqet: If you want to witness the train-wreck first hand, check out the Amber Hilberling is Innocent facebook page: Praying, praying, praying, then OMG! The judge had it out for her the whole time! The truth will come out! Blah, blah, blah...

It was a bench trial?  Her lawyer should be disbarred.



No. Jury trial, but her family is blaming the judge for her murder conviction. Like I said, her family is very delusional.
 
2013-03-20 11:25:14 AM
*Note to self: Keep the one level. DON'T move into a high-rise.*
 
2013-03-20 11:26:34 AM
Sybarite:

There needs to be a hot/defenestration scale.

That's a hard 21.
 
2013-03-20 11:26:57 AM

Menqet: Like I said, her family is very delusional.


I almost wish I was on FB so I could read that....almost
 
2013-03-20 11:27:43 AM

Gunther: Shoving someone against a window hard enough to send them through even thin glass requires a pretty serious push. It seems like it'd be on the same level of injury as a punch


I dunno - glass can break quite easily, depending on previous state of repair and how well it's secured etc. I once broke through a slightly cracked, loosely-held window by leaning on it in the wrong place - admittedly I was leaning quite heavily but I'm still pretty sure it was less force than if I had been pushed into it, and I don't weigh very much either.
 
2013-03-20 11:29:06 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: She may not be guilty of murder, but sure as hell was responsible for his death. Thin glass or not, you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.


High rise glass is designed to be impact resistant, this is done through the use of inter layer laminating of the glass panels.  This is similar to the design of glass in your car, however generally speaking the highrise glass is stronger because the factor of safety must be higher to resist consistent wind loading AND impacts.  Not to mention, the car glass breaking is less likely to lead to a death than your highrise breaking out from you leaning on the window.

The wind load in a place like Tulsa is pretty high, i think the ground speed is 90 MPH, which is equivalent to almost 200 psf.  On the 17th floor, that load may have been even higher.  I would guess that the glass installed would be in the 300 psf to avoid damage from impact during wind loading.  This may sound high, but really it isn't much above 2 psi... At this point, the limiting factor is not the thickness of the glass but the size of the window.

I'm sure they had lots of expert testimony, but TBH IMHO I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that the glass would handle the impact of a man being pushed against it.

If I was the family of the husband, I would still go after the highrise.
 
2013-03-20 11:29:32 AM

farker99: Might hit it.

/Crazy eyes though.


I do her.
 
xcv
2013-03-20 11:29:43 AM

Maud Dib: reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.


assets.nydailynews.com

The university building even looks like how I imagine grain silos look
 
2013-03-20 11:30:25 AM

PsyLord: MythDragon: [media.salon.com image 660x440]

To be fair, he did sign up with Consumer Recreation Services to play a game. Obviously someone forgot to set up the inflatable bag to catch him. She should sue CRS.

/somewhat obscure?

How can a major movie starring Michael Douglas and Sean Penn be obscure?


That movie is old enough that I rented it on VHS tape when I saw it.

A 21-year-old Farker of today was in kindergarten when it was released.  So, yeah, obscurity through time passing, I suppose.  Or a well-kept secret among us old farts.

Good movie, though.
 
2013-03-20 11:31:09 AM
'Disturbing the peace? I got thrown out of a window! What's the farkin' charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?'
 
2013-03-20 11:31:16 AM

Pair-o-Dice: *Note to self: Keep the one level. DON'T move into a high-rise.*


If you do, go for a 2nd floor condo/apartment.  High enough to evade the zombie horde, low enough to jump out of in case of emergencies.
 
2013-03-20 11:32:55 AM
How long was this submission in the queue?  She's already been sentenced.  Second-degree murder, 25 years.  She will have to serve at least 21 years and 3 months, which will (by that time) represent about half her life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295788/Amber-Hilberling-tri al -Mother-guilty-murder-pushing-Air-Force-husband-25th-floor-window.html

Additional information from other articles (not just the Daily Fail):
-> Amber was allegedly abusing her husband, not the other way around.  She hit him with a lamp about a month before his death, requiring stitches.  He applied for, but never completed, an emergency protective order against her.
-> Joshua's family said he'd packed up his belongings and was leaving Amber at the time of his death.
-> The prosecutors offered a 5-year plea deal but were turned down.
 
2013-03-20 11:36:38 AM

lack of warmth: PoochUMD: According to another article, she was abusive to him, told his parents that if they stayed together she'd probably end up killing him and the fight happened after she found out he packed his bags and was leaving her.

Doesn't sound like self defense to me.

Did she send the bags with him?


She shoved the bags into his arms and that's what propelled him out the window. The bags were filled with gold and when he hit the ground all the nearby villagers raided the bounty. Then Robin swung into the window and fought the Sheriff, killing him with the dagger he had earlier gifted to Marian. The witch was about to finish them off but then Azeem, sensing what was going on like a glass repairman with the powers of Spider-man, burst through the door and hurled his knife through her unholy chest. His promise has been fulfilled.

You know it's true...everything I do...
 
2013-03-20 11:37:26 AM

ZAZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Hoy


I was working in the adjacent tower when that occurred.
 
2013-03-20 11:38:37 AM

TeDDD: How long was this submission in the queue?  She's already been sentenced.  Second-degree murder, 25 years.  She will have to serve at least 21 years and 3 months, which will (by that time) represent about half her life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295788/Amber-Hilberling-tri al -Mother-guilty-murder-pushing-Air-Force-husband-25th-floor-window.html

Additional information from other articles (not just the Daily Fail):
-> Amber was allegedly abusing her husband, not the other way around.  She hit him with a lamp about a month before his death, requiring stitches.  He applied for, but never completed, an emergency protective order against her.
-> Joshua's family said he'd packed up his belongings and was leaving Amber at the time of his death.
-> The prosecutors offered a 5-year plea deal but were turned down.


So she didn't try the "God as my witness, I thought Air Force guys could fly!" defense?
 
2013-03-20 11:39:45 AM
TeDDD:

Additional information from other articles (not just the Daily Fail):
-> Amber was allegedly abusing her husband, not the other way around.  She hit him with a lamp about a month before his death, requiring stitches.  He applied for, but never completed, an emergency protective order against her.
-> Joshua's family said he'd packed up his belongings and was leaving Amber at the time of his death.
-> The prosecutors offered a 5-year plea deal but were turned down.


He did have an emergency protective order for a couple weeks, but he didn't follow up to have a permanent one ordered.
Other information:
->She's applied to be executor of her husband's estate in probate.
->She is suing the apartments for the glass being too thin.
Both of these cases were ordered to stay pending the outcome of the murder trial. I don't think now she'll get very far with either.
 
2013-03-20 11:40:51 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.


blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk
 
xcv
2013-03-20 11:42:21 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being

an American.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]
 
2013-03-20 11:42:49 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Another United States military man, no doubt accepting all the benefits and graces for "serving" his country, yet easily killed by an unarmed woman.  No wonder you lose every war you're in.

Practicing my Iron Sheik routine


It's OK, but not enough telling us to fark ourselves and respect you, I give it a solid 7.5!
 
2013-03-20 11:43:22 AM

farker99: Might hit it.

/Crazy eyes though.


You wanna see crazy eyes?

RELATED: 'THAT '70S SHOW' ACTRESS ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT

There. HOLY CRAP!
 
2013-03-20 11:43:38 AM

xcv: Maud Dib: reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x712]

The university building even looks like how I imagine grain silos look


Tulsa became an alternate universe in 1963.  Tulsa has an alternate 2013 that looks the way the future was supposed to look.
imgc.allpostersimages.com

These are the cars of Tulsa.

blog.nwautos.com
 
2013-03-20 11:46:12 AM
Quantum Apostrophe


Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

I am talking about a wall, not a floor which was obviously designed to be such.
 
2013-03-20 11:49:53 AM

Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?


To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.
 
2013-03-20 11:52:20 AM
Right like that could really happen. (looks at pic.) You know I believe her.
 
2013-03-20 11:53:21 AM

SmellsLikePoo: Random Anonymous Blackmail: She may not be guilty of murder, but sure as hell was responsible for his death. Thin glass or not, you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

High rise glass is designed to be impact resistant, this is done through the use of inter layer laminating of the glass panels.  This is similar to the design of glass in your car, however generally speaking the highrise glass is stronger because the factor of safety must be higher to resist consistent wind loading AND impacts.  Not to mention, the car glass breaking is less likely to lead to a death than your highrise breaking out from you leaning on the window.

The wind load in a place like Tulsa is pretty high, i think the ground speed is 90 MPH, which is equivalent to almost 200 psf.  On the 17th floor, that load may have been even higher.  I would guess that the glass installed would be in the 300 psf to avoid damage from impact during wind loading.  This may sound high, but really it isn't much above 2 psi... At this point, the limiting factor is not the thickness of the glass but the size of the window.

I'm sure they had lots of expert testimony, but TBH IMHO I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that the glass would handle the impact of a man being pushed against it.

If I was the family of the husband, I would still go after the highrise.


Not necessarily true.  All glass in and of itself is impact resistant to some degree, and for larger values of impact resistance then the glass is tempered.  Laminated glass does not increase impact resistance, and generally weakens it, because the glass panes themselves are thinner than standard glass of the same thickness.  All laminating glass does is keep it together if it is broken.

Additionally, thicker glass is more impact resistant.  So if using standard sizes, I'm simplifying a bit here but it gives the general idea, then this is how it plays out.
Standard glass (breaks in large shards)
1/16" (3/32") < 1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...
Laminated glass (when broken, stays in place)
1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...
Tempered glass (breaks into tiny pieces; has strongest impact resistance, but has some odd properties)
1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...

But for laminated glass vs. standard glass
1/4" < 1/4"...
because the glass surrounding the laminate material is only 3/32"(that's an estimated value, but essentially it's two pieces of 3/32" glass and a 1/16" laminate material. This varies as thickness goes up, but the laminate is really never much more than 1/16" between each individual pane.

To maximize penetration/impact resistance the best option is to use a combination of standard and tempered glass and a laminating material.  This is how bullet resistant glass is made, and thickness can range from 1"(usually 3 pieces of 1/4", 1 piece of 1/8" and the laminate material) to 2" and higher.

Fun fact: there is no such thing as bullet-proof glass, it is bullet-resistant. That type of glass classified by its rating, and what might stop a .22 won't necessarily stop a .357 etc.

Note that despite all that, glass is still glass and will break at some point, no matter how careful one is.
 
2013-03-20 11:57:56 AM

limeyfellow: Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?

To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.


For about a million bucks you can get a ladder truck with a 100 foot ladder. Unless the firefighters are going to be repelling down the side of the building, they ain't breaking the glass from the outside on the 17th floor.

/No, I'm not a firefighter and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I could be very wrong.
 
2013-03-20 12:07:52 PM
This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

cdn.gajitz.com

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.
 
2013-03-20 12:19:11 PM
Sounds like my kind of woman. Granted I'm not so much bigger than her that I'm afraid to hit her back.

That IS how it works: if the man is much bigger she'll claim self-defense because he attacked her even if she's the one with the chain saw. Unless it happens in public with hundreds of witnesses taping it. It's very rare that a jury will believe that a little woman beat up a football player.

Only if the guy is a tiny wimp or a paraplegic will a jury believe he killed her in self-defense; if you're closely matched in size and she's drunk, on meth and crazy to begin with then a guy has a 50/50 chance of acquital.

What happened here is very rare: this much-bigger veteran was nice enough to not simply deck her and he had the balls to call the cops on her a few times. He obviously explained it by saying "If I defended myself as hard as she attacked me she'd be hospitalized, and besides I was taught that you don't hit women."  And I bet most people that heard that still thought "Yeah, right. I'll bet you sit down to pee."

Fortunately for me when I was 20 and got into physical fights with my crazy girlfriend she had the obvious size advantage: she outweighed me by 40 pounds (I weighed only 120# then), she was stocky rather than fat, and we were about the same height. When she came charging at me I had to defend myself or she'd do some damage, and nobody who knew us thought otherwise. The tactic in those cases is to keep her from hurting you without hurting her too much, and if she pulls a knife you've got to run if you can. (Which is not to say the fact that we came to blows was her fault: in those days I was not very easy to put up with.)

But this guy? He was too damn nice. And look what it got him. When you're a 6'5" 220-pound former football player the only sensible way to defend yourself against a violent woman is to stay away from them completely. If you've got to stick your dick in crazy you're safer turning gay.

Let this be a lesson to you mankiller-wannabes: never ever say anything like "I'm afraid one of these days I'll wind up killing him." No no no. What you say if you plan to kill your husband is "But I really do love him. he just has PTSD and he doesn't really mean to hurt me when he blows up like that, and anyway I'm carrying his baby. Boo hoo hoo." Never forget to put him in the wrong by playing the beaten-wifey victim card, no matter what the actual facts are: what you want the jury to think is that you were abused until you finally snapped, that the only think you did wrong is not leave that horrible evil man before he made you shoot him in the back 20 times while he was passed out from the roofies you put in his Yoo-Hoo.
 
xcv
2013-03-20 12:20:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: xcv: Maud Dib: reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x712]

The university building even looks like how I imagine grain silos look

Tulsa became an alternate universe in 1963.  Tulsa has an alternate 2013 that looks the way the future was supposed to look.
[imgc.allpostersimages.com image 473x355]

These are the cars of Tulsa.

[blog.nwautos.com image 604x372]


Instead of locating that ugly parking garage prominently below the living quarters it's too bad they didn't put the parking garage on the roof in anticipation of flying cars.
 
2013-03-20 12:21:46 PM
Oh, forgot to mention, the size and type of glass also factors into its flexibility. And laminated glass is probably the most flexible, or at least the most flexible with the smallest breaking point.

There is nothing like free-carrying a 120" x 96" piece of 1/4" laminated glass.  And it's something one would never carry flat.

This is part of the reason that laminated glass is not usually used in high-rise buildings, at least not at any large size (imagine it blowing out of the frame due to the wind) unless the thickness is increased.  And more than likely the glass in any high-rise will be standard or tempered if single pane to resist wind-induced flex, or will be an insulated glass unit with tempered on one side and laminated on the other.

Insulated glass unit = 2 panes of glass separated by a spacer bar of some sort which creates an air space between the panes.
 
2013-03-20 12:29:20 PM
Hey I farked a girl in that buliding.

No not the one featured in the article.
 
2013-03-20 12:31:38 PM

NightOwl2255: limeyfellow: Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?

To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.

For about a million bucks you can get a ladder truck with a 100 foot ladder. Unless the firefighters are going to be repelling down the side of the building, they ain't breaking the glass from the outside on the 17th floor.

/No, I'm not a firefighter and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I could be very wrong.


You're exactly right. The reason for the cheap glass is the age of the building. That building looks to be circa late 60s to early 70s. Building codes weren't quite as stringient back in the day.
 
2013-03-20 12:39:11 PM

PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.


http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
 
2013-03-20 01:17:02 PM
Whatever her intentions or culpability, she's not very smart.  Bail was revoked because she didn't follow simple rules.

Glassco revoked Hilberling's bond in December and ordered her jailed after he was informed that she had violated her curfew and failed to keep her Global Positioning System monitor charged on multiple occasions.
Glassco subsequently allowed Hilberling's bond to be reinstated, and she was again released from jail with requirements that included urinalyses. The judge revoked the $250,000 bond again on Jan. 6 and ordered her held without bail after he received a report that she provided urine samples that tested positive for THC, which is indicative of marijuana use.
 
2013-03-20 01:44:18 PM

lack of warmth: Egoy3k: There are very specific building codes pertaining to the glass used in highrise buildings for this very reason but a building not being built to code does not mean that you can kill people with impunity. What this is going to come down to is if she expected the glass to break or not. If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe, if not then not. She's going to have to take the stand a convince the jury. Good news for her shes a woman and she isn't ugly. She'll probably walk.

If she is still pregnant, then it is more of a waddle.


Incident occurred in 2011.  Chances are she's given birth by now.
 
2013-03-20 02:14:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Whatever her intentions or culpability, she's not very smart.  Bail was revoked because she didn't follow simple rules.

Glassco revoked Hilberling's bond in December and ordered her jailed after he was informed that she had violated her curfew and failed to keep her Global Positioning System monitor charged on multiple occasions.
Glassco subsequently allowed Hilberling's bond to be reinstated, and she was again released from jail with requirements that included urinalyses. The judge revoked the $250,000 bond again on Jan. 6 and ordered her held without bail after he received a report that she provided urine samples that tested positive for THC, which is indicative of marijuana use.


Maybe she had been reading TMZ and since Lindsey Lohan couldn't get her bail revoked if she shot Obama in broad daylight maybe she didn't really beleive they would revoke hers for such simple transgressions.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:08 PM

MythDragon: /somewhat obscure?



www.silverbackstrategies.com
 
2013-03-20 02:32:43 PM
I'd hit it.

But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)
 
2013-03-20 02:38:12 PM

MythDragon: [media.salon.com image 660x440]

To be fair, he did sign up with Consumer Recreation Services to play a game. Obviously someone forgot to set up the inflatable bag to catch him. She should sue CRS.

/somewhat obscure?


Could be a fun game
 
2013-03-20 03:14:21 PM
That hittable, and not one pic of her in this thread.

Fark has gone down the shiatter. Goddamn liberals.
 
2013-03-20 03:35:14 PM

xcv: Instead of locating that ugly parking garage prominently below the living quarters it's too bad they didn't put the parking garage on the roof in anticipation of flying cars.


That... would have been epic
 
2013-03-20 03:39:05 PM

PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.


It already is.

http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
 
2013-03-20 03:48:10 PM
You know what they say, "There's no reason to ever hit a woman." Sh*t! There's a reason to hit everybody. You just don't do it. Shi*t, there's a reason to kick an old man down a flight of stairs. You just don't do it. Ain't nobody above an ass-whooping

--Chris Rock
 
2013-03-20 03:51:54 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]


my stomach dropped looking at that. odd feeling
 
2013-03-20 04:17:20 PM

buckler: PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.

http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/


Yep, however, they haven't started mass production of it and using it as building material (at least not that I have read about).
 
2013-03-20 07:36:30 PM
HoratioGates:

I'd hit it.

So would I. She's built like I like 'em even if she is blond.


But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)


So theirs is rentable then?
 
2013-03-20 08:06:55 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]


That's not expectation, that's FAITH. Screw that.
 
2013-03-20 09:34:08 PM
Dangit! I was hoping a lawyer would have jumped on my post.
 
2013-03-21 02:09:22 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Proximate cause.

"But for"


nobody on the internet knows tort law in oklahoma.
 
2013-03-22 06:38:41 PM

The One True TheDavid: HoratioGates:

I'd hit it.

So would I. She's built like I like 'em even if she is blond.


But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)

So theirs is rentable then?


My dad and stepmother live in California, and their place is just built on a slab.  My mother's house is basement is unfinished and has really low ceilings and mildew (and isn't very big- most of the house is an addition which is on a slab.)  Sorry.  :)
 
2013-03-23 04:18:52 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com 

/ sorry for the family
 
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