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2013-03-20 11:38:37 AM  

TeDDD: How long was this submission in the queue?  She's already been sentenced.  Second-degree murder, 25 years.  She will have to serve at least 21 years and 3 months, which will (by that time) represent about half her life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295788/Amber-Hilberling-tri al -Mother-guilty-murder-pushing-Air-Force-husband-25th-floor-window.html

Additional information from other articles (not just the Daily Fail):
-> Amber was allegedly abusing her husband, not the other way around.  She hit him with a lamp about a month before his death, requiring stitches.  He applied for, but never completed, an emergency protective order against her.
-> Joshua's family said he'd packed up his belongings and was leaving Amber at the time of his death.
-> The prosecutors offered a 5-year plea deal but were turned down.


So she didn't try the "God as my witness, I thought Air Force guys could fly!" defense?
 
2013-03-20 11:39:45 AM  
TeDDD:

Additional information from other articles (not just the Daily Fail):
-> Amber was allegedly abusing her husband, not the other way around.  She hit him with a lamp about a month before his death, requiring stitches.  He applied for, but never completed, an emergency protective order against her.
-> Joshua's family said he'd packed up his belongings and was leaving Amber at the time of his death.
-> The prosecutors offered a 5-year plea deal but were turned down.


He did have an emergency protective order for a couple weeks, but he didn't follow up to have a permanent one ordered.
Other information:
->She's applied to be executor of her husband's estate in probate.
->She is suing the apartments for the glass being too thin.
Both of these cases were ordered to stay pending the outcome of the murder trial. I don't think now she'll get very far with either.
 
2013-03-20 11:40:51 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.


blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk
 
xcv
2013-03-20 11:42:21 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being

an American.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]
 
2013-03-20 11:42:49 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Another United States military man, no doubt accepting all the benefits and graces for "serving" his country, yet easily killed by an unarmed woman.  No wonder you lose every war you're in.

Practicing my Iron Sheik routine


It's OK, but not enough telling us to fark ourselves and respect you, I give it a solid 7.5!
 
2013-03-20 11:43:22 AM  

farker99: Might hit it.

/Crazy eyes though.


You wanna see crazy eyes?

RELATED: 'THAT '70S SHOW' ACTRESS ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT

There. HOLY CRAP!
 
2013-03-20 11:43:38 AM  

xcv: Maud Dib: reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x712]

The university building even looks like how I imagine grain silos look


Tulsa became an alternate universe in 1963.  Tulsa has an alternate 2013 that looks the way the future was supposed to look.
imgc.allpostersimages.com

These are the cars of Tulsa.

blog.nwautos.com
 
2013-03-20 11:46:12 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe


Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

I am talking about a wall, not a floor which was obviously designed to be such.
 
2013-03-20 11:49:53 AM  

Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?


To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.
 
2013-03-20 11:52:20 AM  
Right like that could really happen. (looks at pic.) You know I believe her.
 
2013-03-20 11:53:21 AM  

SmellsLikePoo: Random Anonymous Blackmail: She may not be guilty of murder, but sure as hell was responsible for his death. Thin glass or not, you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

High rise glass is designed to be impact resistant, this is done through the use of inter layer laminating of the glass panels.  This is similar to the design of glass in your car, however generally speaking the highrise glass is stronger because the factor of safety must be higher to resist consistent wind loading AND impacts.  Not to mention, the car glass breaking is less likely to lead to a death than your highrise breaking out from you leaning on the window.

The wind load in a place like Tulsa is pretty high, i think the ground speed is 90 MPH, which is equivalent to almost 200 psf.  On the 17th floor, that load may have been even higher.  I would guess that the glass installed would be in the 300 psf to avoid damage from impact during wind loading.  This may sound high, but really it isn't much above 2 psi... At this point, the limiting factor is not the thickness of the glass but the size of the window.

I'm sure they had lots of expert testimony, but TBH IMHO I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that the glass would handle the impact of a man being pushed against it.

If I was the family of the husband, I would still go after the highrise.


Not necessarily true.  All glass in and of itself is impact resistant to some degree, and for larger values of impact resistance then the glass is tempered.  Laminated glass does not increase impact resistance, and generally weakens it, because the glass panes themselves are thinner than standard glass of the same thickness.  All laminating glass does is keep it together if it is broken.

Additionally, thicker glass is more impact resistant.  So if using standard sizes, I'm simplifying a bit here but it gives the general idea, then this is how it plays out.
Standard glass (breaks in large shards)
1/16" (3/32") < 1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...
Laminated glass (when broken, stays in place)
1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...
Tempered glass (breaks into tiny pieces; has strongest impact resistance, but has some odd properties)
1/8" < 1/4" < 3/8" < 1/2"...

But for laminated glass vs. standard glass
1/4" < 1/4"...
because the glass surrounding the laminate material is only 3/32"(that's an estimated value, but essentially it's two pieces of 3/32" glass and a 1/16" laminate material. This varies as thickness goes up, but the laminate is really never much more than 1/16" between each individual pane.

To maximize penetration/impact resistance the best option is to use a combination of standard and tempered glass and a laminating material.  This is how bullet resistant glass is made, and thickness can range from 1"(usually 3 pieces of 1/4", 1 piece of 1/8" and the laminate material) to 2" and higher.

Fun fact: there is no such thing as bullet-proof glass, it is bullet-resistant. That type of glass classified by its rating, and what might stop a .22 won't necessarily stop a .357 etc.

Note that despite all that, glass is still glass and will break at some point, no matter how careful one is.
 
2013-03-20 11:57:56 AM  

limeyfellow: Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?

To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.


For about a million bucks you can get a ladder truck with a 100 foot ladder. Unless the firefighters are going to be repelling down the side of the building, they ain't breaking the glass from the outside on the 17th floor.

/No, I'm not a firefighter and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I could be very wrong.
 
2013-03-20 12:07:52 PM  
This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

cdn.gajitz.com

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.
 
2013-03-20 12:19:11 PM  
Sounds like my kind of woman. Granted I'm not so much bigger than her that I'm afraid to hit her back.

That IS how it works: if the man is much bigger she'll claim self-defense because he attacked her even if she's the one with the chain saw. Unless it happens in public with hundreds of witnesses taping it. It's very rare that a jury will believe that a little woman beat up a football player.

Only if the guy is a tiny wimp or a paraplegic will a jury believe he killed her in self-defense; if you're closely matched in size and she's drunk, on meth and crazy to begin with then a guy has a 50/50 chance of acquital.

What happened here is very rare: this much-bigger veteran was nice enough to not simply deck her and he had the balls to call the cops on her a few times. He obviously explained it by saying "If I defended myself as hard as she attacked me she'd be hospitalized, and besides I was taught that you don't hit women."  And I bet most people that heard that still thought "Yeah, right. I'll bet you sit down to pee."

Fortunately for me when I was 20 and got into physical fights with my crazy girlfriend she had the obvious size advantage: she outweighed me by 40 pounds (I weighed only 120# then), she was stocky rather than fat, and we were about the same height. When she came charging at me I had to defend myself or she'd do some damage, and nobody who knew us thought otherwise. The tactic in those cases is to keep her from hurting you without hurting her too much, and if she pulls a knife you've got to run if you can. (Which is not to say the fact that we came to blows was her fault: in those days I was not very easy to put up with.)

But this guy? He was too damn nice. And look what it got him. When you're a 6'5" 220-pound former football player the only sensible way to defend yourself against a violent woman is to stay away from them completely. If you've got to stick your dick in crazy you're safer turning gay.

Let this be a lesson to you mankiller-wannabes: never ever say anything like "I'm afraid one of these days I'll wind up killing him." No no no. What you say if you plan to kill your husband is "But I really do love him. he just has PTSD and he doesn't really mean to hurt me when he blows up like that, and anyway I'm carrying his baby. Boo hoo hoo." Never forget to put him in the wrong by playing the beaten-wifey victim card, no matter what the actual facts are: what you want the jury to think is that you were abused until you finally snapped, that the only think you did wrong is not leave that horrible evil man before he made you shoot him in the back 20 times while he was passed out from the roofies you put in his Yoo-Hoo.
 
xcv
2013-03-20 12:20:15 PM  

Rapmaster2000: xcv: Maud Dib: reillan: EZ Writer: Rapmaster2000: Tulsa has a 17 story building?  That must be one big Wal-Mart.

This

:p

Tulsa has this.

At 203 m (667 ft) in height, the 52-story tower was the tallest building in any of the five "Plains States".

WOW.
I'll bet you can see it all the way from the feed lot.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x712]

The university building even looks like how I imagine grain silos look

Tulsa became an alternate universe in 1963.  Tulsa has an alternate 2013 that looks the way the future was supposed to look.
[imgc.allpostersimages.com image 473x355]

These are the cars of Tulsa.

[blog.nwautos.com image 604x372]


Instead of locating that ugly parking garage prominently below the living quarters it's too bad they didn't put the parking garage on the roof in anticipation of flying cars.
 
2013-03-20 12:21:46 PM  
Oh, forgot to mention, the size and type of glass also factors into its flexibility. And laminated glass is probably the most flexible, or at least the most flexible with the smallest breaking point.

There is nothing like free-carrying a 120" x 96" piece of 1/4" laminated glass.  And it's something one would never carry flat.

This is part of the reason that laminated glass is not usually used in high-rise buildings, at least not at any large size (imagine it blowing out of the frame due to the wind) unless the thickness is increased.  And more than likely the glass in any high-rise will be standard or tempered if single pane to resist wind-induced flex, or will be an insulated glass unit with tempered on one side and laminated on the other.

Insulated glass unit = 2 panes of glass separated by a spacer bar of some sort which creates an air space between the panes.
 
2013-03-20 12:29:20 PM  
Hey I farked a girl in that buliding.

No not the one featured in the article.
 
2013-03-20 12:31:38 PM  

NightOwl2255: limeyfellow: Generation_D: So why have "breakaway glass" on a 17th floor?

To deal with storm damage and allow for fire fighting mostly. It not very good when you can't get through the window to safe the people from burning to death.

For about a million bucks you can get a ladder truck with a 100 foot ladder. Unless the firefighters are going to be repelling down the side of the building, they ain't breaking the glass from the outside on the 17th floor.

/No, I'm not a firefighter and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I could be very wrong.


You're exactly right. The reason for the cheap glass is the age of the building. That building looks to be circa late 60s to early 70s. Building codes weren't quite as stringient back in the day.
 
2013-03-20 12:39:11 PM  

PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.


http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
 
2013-03-20 01:17:02 PM  
Whatever her intentions or culpability, she's not very smart.  Bail was revoked because she didn't follow simple rules.

Glassco revoked Hilberling's bond in December and ordered her jailed after he was informed that she had violated her curfew and failed to keep her Global Positioning System monitor charged on multiple occasions.
Glassco subsequently allowed Hilberling's bond to be reinstated, and she was again released from jail with requirements that included urinalyses. The judge revoked the $250,000 bond again on Jan. 6 and ordered her held without bail after he received a report that she provided urine samples that tested positive for THC, which is indicative of marijuana use.
 
2013-03-20 01:44:18 PM  

lack of warmth: Egoy3k: There are very specific building codes pertaining to the glass used in highrise buildings for this very reason but a building not being built to code does not mean that you can kill people with impunity. What this is going to come down to is if she expected the glass to break or not. If she had a reasonable expectation that the glass would not break then she's safe, if not then not. She's going to have to take the stand a convince the jury. Good news for her shes a woman and she isn't ugly. She'll probably walk.

If she is still pregnant, then it is more of a waddle.


Incident occurred in 2011.  Chances are she's given birth by now.
 
2013-03-20 02:14:07 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Whatever her intentions or culpability, she's not very smart.  Bail was revoked because she didn't follow simple rules.

Glassco revoked Hilberling's bond in December and ordered her jailed after he was informed that she had violated her curfew and failed to keep her Global Positioning System monitor charged on multiple occasions.
Glassco subsequently allowed Hilberling's bond to be reinstated, and she was again released from jail with requirements that included urinalyses. The judge revoked the $250,000 bond again on Jan. 6 and ordered her held without bail after he received a report that she provided urine samples that tested positive for THC, which is indicative of marijuana use.


Maybe she had been reading TMZ and since Lindsey Lohan couldn't get her bail revoked if she shot Obama in broad daylight maybe she didn't really beleive they would revoke hers for such simple transgressions.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:08 PM  

MythDragon: /somewhat obscure?



www.silverbackstrategies.com
 
2013-03-20 02:32:43 PM  
I'd hit it.

But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)
 
2013-03-20 02:38:12 PM  

MythDragon: [media.salon.com image 660x440]

To be fair, he did sign up with Consumer Recreation Services to play a game. Obviously someone forgot to set up the inflatable bag to catch him. She should sue CRS.

/somewhat obscure?


Could be a fun game
 
2013-03-20 03:14:21 PM  
That hittable, and not one pic of her in this thread.

Fark has gone down the shiatter. Goddamn liberals.
 
2013-03-20 03:35:14 PM  

xcv: Instead of locating that ugly parking garage prominently below the living quarters it's too bad they didn't put the parking garage on the roof in anticipation of flying cars.


That... would have been epic
 
2013-03-20 03:39:05 PM  

PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.


It already is.

http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
 
2013-03-20 03:48:10 PM  
You know what they say, "There's no reason to ever hit a woman." Sh*t! There's a reason to hit everybody. You just don't do it. Shi*t, there's a reason to kick an old man down a flight of stairs. You just don't do it. Ain't nobody above an ass-whooping

--Chris Rock
 
2013-03-20 03:51:54 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]


my stomach dropped looking at that. odd feeling
 
2013-03-20 04:17:20 PM  

buckler: PsyLord: This wouldn't have been a problem if they only used transparent aluminum.

[cdn.gajitz.com image 314x194]

/come on dude, that was over 20 years ago.  Stop sitting on it and mass produce it already.

http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/


Yep, however, they haven't started mass production of it and using it as building material (at least not that I have read about).
 
2013-03-20 07:36:30 PM  
HoratioGates:

I'd hit it.

So would I. She's built like I like 'em even if she is blond.


But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)


So theirs is rentable then?
 
2013-03-20 08:06:55 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Random Anonymous Blackmail: you cannot expect a pane of glass to support the weight of a human being.

[blog.pilkingtonselfcleaningglass.co.uk image 800x600]


That's not expectation, that's FAITH. Screw that.
 
2013-03-20 09:34:08 PM  
Dangit! I was hoping a lawyer would have jumped on my post.
 
2013-03-21 02:09:22 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Proximate cause.

"But for"


nobody on the internet knows tort law in oklahoma.
 
2013-03-22 06:38:41 PM  

The One True TheDavid: HoratioGates:

I'd hit it.

So would I. She's built like I like 'em even if she is blond.


But then again, I live in a basement apartment.

(No, not my parents basement.)

So theirs is rentable then?


My dad and stepmother live in California, and their place is just built on a slab.  My mother's house is basement is unfinished and has really low ceilings and mildew (and isn't very big- most of the house is an addition which is on a slab.)  Sorry.  :)
 
2013-03-23 04:18:52 PM  
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/ sorry for the family
 
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