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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 880
    More: Hero, George W. Bush, Sadr, selfishness, Iraq War, veterans  
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2013-03-21 02:52:52 AM  

Alphax: gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.

Factually untrue.  War was not 'set upon him', save that his cabinet pushed him into it for the war profiteering.


wrong
 
2013-03-21 02:54:42 AM  

gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.

Factually untrue.  War was not 'set upon him', save that his cabinet pushed him into it for the war profiteering.

wrong


In what way do you claim that I'm wrong?
 
2013-03-21 02:57:41 AM  

Alphax: gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.

Factually untrue.  War was not 'set upon him', save that his cabinet pushed him into it for the war profiteering.

wrong

In what way do you claim that I'm wrong?


I don't, but you gave no more evidence for your side ofthe argument than I did. You just used larger buzzwords.
 
2013-03-21 03:00:37 AM  

gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.

Factually untrue.  War was not 'set upon him', save that his cabinet pushed him into it for the war profiteering.

wrong

In what way do you claim that I'm wrong?

I don't, but you gave no more evidence for your side ofthe argument than I did. You just used larger buzzwords.


I'm not out giving evidence that the Earth is Round, either.  Or that fire is hot.

Just calling out a lie.
 
2013-03-21 03:01:26 AM  

Alphax: gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.

Factually untrue.  War was not 'set upon him', save that his cabinet pushed him into it for the war profiteering.

wrong

In what way do you claim that I'm wrong?

I don't, but you gave no more evidence for your side ofthe argument than I did. You just used larger buzzwords.

I'm not out giving evidence that the Earth is Round, either.  Or that fire is hot.

Just calling out a lie.


No, you're claiming a lie. Doesn't make it one.
 
2013-03-21 03:02:24 AM  

gh0strid3r: No, you're claiming a lie. Doesn't make it one.


Go troll elsewhere.
 
2013-03-21 03:03:29 AM  

Alphax: gh0strid3r: No, you're claiming a lie. Doesn't make it one.

Go troll elsewhere.


You first.
 
2013-03-21 03:04:02 AM  

gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: No, you're claiming a lie. Doesn't make it one.

Go troll elsewhere.

You first.


Plonk!
 
2013-03-21 03:05:30 AM  

Alphax: gh0strid3r: Alphax: gh0strid3r: No, you're claiming a lie. Doesn't make it one.

Go troll elsewhere.

You first.

Plonk!


I knew you would eventually resort to childishness.

Not everyone subscribes to the conspiracy theories offered up by the ultra-liberal media. Those of us that were there know there's enough horror in the truth that there doesn't need to be more added to it artificially.
 
2013-03-21 03:06:34 AM  
[sets gh0strid3r on fire]
 
2013-03-21 03:07:08 AM  

Kittypie070: [sets gh0strid3r on fire]


another child
 
2013-03-21 03:08:19 AM  
[roasts weenies n marshmallows]
 
2013-03-21 03:10:50 AM  

Kittypie070: [roasts weenies n marshmallows]


Isn't it past your bedtime?
 
2013-03-21 03:12:27 AM  

gh0strid3r: Kittypie070: [roasts weenies n marshmallows]

Isn't it past your bedtime?


I'm a cat, dimbulb, don't you know cats are nocturnal animals? Durr.
 
2013-03-21 03:16:10 AM  
Have fun roasting the liar.
 
2013-03-21 03:19:17 AM  

Alphax: Have fun roasting the liar.


What exactly did I saw that was a lie? I just said you were wrong. That's an opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it a lie. You can't prove your argument any more than I can prove mine. Therefore, if I'm a liar, so are you.
 
2013-03-21 03:22:24 AM  
Why are you in here pissing yourself off dealing with "children" and pyromaniacal cats?
 
2013-03-21 03:25:44 AM  

Kittypie070: Why are you in here pissing yourself off dealing with "children" and pyromaniacal cats?


I'm not pissing myself off... this is becoming moderately entertaining.
 
2013-03-21 03:32:12 AM  

gh0strid3r: Kittypie070: Why are you in here pissing yourself off dealing with "children" and pyromaniacal cats?

I'm not pissing myself off... this is becoming moderately entertaining.


OK, that's good :D

Would you like a roasted marshmallow?
 
2013-03-21 03:34:48 AM  

Kittypie070: gh0strid3r: Kittypie070: Why are you in here pissing yourself off dealing with "children" and pyromaniacal cats?

I'm not pissing myself off... this is becoming moderately entertaining.

OK, that's good :D

Would you like a roasted marshmallow?


why not
 
2013-03-21 04:24:15 AM  
One might consider that the veteran in the article has the freedom to address his [former] Commander in Chief and tell of how he feels his loyalty and service has been severely abused, now that he is feeling the breath of mortality close on the back of his neck.

Does he not have the freedom to speak of a grievance? To petition for redress of his grievance?

If the answer to that question is "no", then none of us has any freedom any longer to speak of our own grievances either. This is obviously not the true state of affairs.

Now certainly, a soldier is not permitted to tell his commander where he would prefer to be deployed, as he is required to follow the orders given to him (unless they are patently illegal under the clear guidelines set down in the UCMJ).

I should not even need to speak of this.

Also, it is absolutely true that this veteran volunteered of his own free will and was not drafted willy-nilly into the tragedy he found himself dumped into. Thus, he has his own *personal* aspect of responsibility in the matter.

There is a very strong undercurrent of "I regret getting myself into this hideous mess" if one will only read between the lines of anger and grievance just a little bit. How this has escaped the notice of some in the thread, I do not understand.

However, this is not the major point of the story.

What this veteran is telling us is that in hindsight the invasion of Iraq was a bad choice ultimately made by his Commander in Chief, a choice the [former] CinC ultimately had the FINAL authority to refuse to make, in spite of the advice given him, if he freely so chose, in just as free a way that the veteran volunteered to serve...and a bad choice that the [former] CinC himself will not suffer the least or lightest consequences from, nor will the former CinC's compatriots, that the veteran has had inflicted upon him.

Loyalty goes in TWO directions, not ONE, not exclusively from subordinate to superior only, but also from superior toward subordinate.

How can this be a negative thing to address?

This idea of "you owe us fealty, but we owe you nothing whatsoever" is corrosive and ultimately deadly. It obliterates the bonds that hold not only an armed force and the chain of command but an entire society together.

The veteran has already had plenty of time, far too much in fact, to point the finger of blame at himself.

His final gesture is to point elsewhere, and rightfully so.
 
2013-03-21 05:28:37 AM  

Slam1263: lolpix: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

Those two got a complete pass. Criticism is not prosecution. Obama is going to get a pass too. There is something about the collective American psyche that would rather see our homegrown war criminals go free than admit to ourselves that Americans are capable of committing war crimes.

I encourage troops to degrade the enemy, to punish them, to kill them with out mercy, because war should be hell.

Please, let's make it so ugly, that no one will ever do it again.Dr.Zom: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

We'll never know what Cheney's Intel Unit was telling those guys behind the scenes. I distinctly remember one congressman saying Cheney's people told him Saddam had drones that could reach the east coast with nerve gas. Total BS, but scary. They wanted war, they got it, and they killed anybody who got in their way.

I've looked for that article since and it's pretty much gone down the memory hole like so much other stuff.

Still, they should have know they were liars. I could tell and I'm nobody.

Gee, no chemical weapons. What killed the farkin' Kurds? Bagdad Bob's halitosis?

Where did the chems go? Jordan? Syria?

Oh looky, Syria may be using them on their own people. Keep sucking it down, you'll be able to go pro soon.

The story didn't vanish be cause it was true, it vanished because people didn't want to believe the facts that there were chemical weapons. Why report a story that makes you look like a liar, and a fool?

You want me to hate Republicans for going to war? Fine, I hate them for refusing to fight with every tool we have at our disposal, I hate them for not nuking the house of Saud, which spawned the filth that attacked us. And I hate every farkin' money grubber that made a cent off of it, which will allow me to hate Democrats, because they ha ...


Down to your last alt?
 
2013-03-21 10:32:41 AM  

gh0strid3r: Hero? More like Douchecanoe. I'm sorry, but I'm a war veteran too and I do not blame the president for the war. The president had war set upon him and he responded.


Right, I forgot how Iraq attacked us first.
 
2013-03-21 11:44:15 AM  

Procedural Texture: Since WW2, the United States of America have slaughtered more civilians than were killed in the holocaust. fark the USA.


Go fark a beaver, canucktard.
 
2013-03-21 12:31:07 PM  

muck4doo: So sad. Hopefully Obama keeps up the drone strikes and takes out as many asshole furriners as he can. Vote Democrat 2016!


Meth is a terrible drug.
 
2013-03-21 01:01:54 PM  
I hope the roasted marshmallows were tasty ;-)
 
2013-03-21 05:44:16 PM  

gh0strid3r: What exactly did I saw that was a lie? I just said you were wrong. That's an opinion.


Actually, that's a declarative statement.  So if he obviously isn't wrong, yet you continue to insist that he is wrong, that would be lying.  Having an opinion doesn't mean that it's safe from scrutiny.  If you're implying that the decision to invade Iraq was in response to an attack from Iraq, or in some other way was "put upon" Bush, you are wrong.

At the very best, you're going through some extreme mental gymnastics for what?  To trash a wounded veteran?

Doesn't look like veteran-like typing, if you ask me.
  

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2013-03-21 05:44:54 PM  
That sh*t's getting really annoying.
 
2013-03-21 05:46:06 PM  

Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Fart_Machine: log_jammin: I can never tell if muck4doo is drunk or retarded.

Yes.

Almost as fun as being a democrat

I wouldn't know.

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2013-03-21 08:27:24 PM  

Kittypie070: I'm a cat, dimbulb, don't you know cats are nocturnal animals? Durr


Cat's are not nocturnal as such. They sleep (and are awake) throughout the whole day and night.
Some "sleep" for up to 80% of their entire life, never truly sleeping, always prepared to wake and kill then "sleep" again.

// so jealous - wish I was a cat
 
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