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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 880
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2013-03-20 11:05:42 AM  
Unfortunately he should also direct his anger towards Pelosi, Reid, Hillary and Biden - they had to vote for these wars by law - and they did. They also continued to fund these wars through Congressional approval. These congresspeople never had the guts to impeach Bush nor Cheney for supposedly "lying" to them. There was NO draft. Sooooo - I dunno. Seems a little disingenuous. I still sorry for this young man as veteran of two wars and as a fellow American.
 
2013-03-20 11:06:22 AM  
I look back over the last 10 years and realize I fell for the lies.  Our country was snookered and conned into supporting an unnecessary war.  I have to live with that shame, but I'm the lucky one -- I don't have to live with the physical and emotional trauma our veterans have to endure.  It's why I'll never vote for a politician who soundly beats the war drums ever again.

After reading that letter, I think I'd have simply written "Fark you!" and been done with it, but this letter was fantastic.  The sad part is Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of their ilk will never give a damn about what they've done.  And it's times like these where I certainly hope there is a God who will properly judge them in the afterlife.  They deserve nothing less.
 
2013-03-20 11:06:30 AM  
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k
 
2013-03-20 11:10:37 AM  
"You go to your grave with the body you have, not with the body you wish you had."

3.bp.blogspot.com


 
2013-03-20 11:10:53 AM  

Joe Blowme: Fart_Machine: Joe Blowme: FlashHarry: Joe Blowme: Funny, he does not speak for my vfw post of the millions given a chance at freedom... I wonder what those buried in mass graves by Sadam would say.

so when do we invade syria? when do we invade north korea? when do we invade iran? when do we invade zimbabwe?

if spending blood and treasure for "the millions given a chance at freedom" is the job of the united states, we're gonna be very busy for the foreseeable future.

better bring back the draft...

Maybe you should brush up on all the reasons for going in.

People still believe this bullshait. Sad.

Your tin foil is slipping, may want to add a few more layers to the hat.


Still believe Saddam was a threat to the US and was manufacturing WMD's for al Qaeda? Fox has kept you well-infromed.
 
2013-03-20 11:11:01 AM  

gja: You don't care for my criticism of the subject matter. That's no concern of mine. You seem to have an predilection for a affection for the current civil servants that hold seat. I do not share that feeling. So we are at loggerheads, I suppose. You want to see 2 guys fry for what they have done while in office. My point is they did what many had also done prior to their doing so, and will almost certainly not be the last to do so again. Also, the current heads of our government are complicit as they have allowed many of the practices to continue, so they are, to a degree, culpable.


Getting sick of this shiat really fast.
 
2013-03-20 11:11:38 AM  

gja: VKF


woah.
I have initials.
 
2013-03-20 11:13:39 AM  

gja: You're wearing out your welcome fast.

Also, is that some sort of veiled threat?


What are you, a lawyer? Can't find money any other way but to taunt. How WBC of you.

I wonder what a reasonable person would say.
firedaily.com
 
2013-03-20 11:14:37 AM  
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important.
It's not our priority."


1.bp.blogspot.com

 
2013-03-20 11:15:11 AM  

vudukungfu: gja: VKF

woah.
I have initials.


I think you can get a shot for that.
 
2013-03-20 11:15:29 AM  

trey101: NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!


What you posted is from the November, 2005 Congressional Record. Those same quotes were posted up thread. The quotes were from one-time Republican presidential hopeful Senator John Ensign of Nevada.

This former Senator Ensign:
"Based on the record in this matter, the Special Counsel respectfully submits that there is substantial credible evidence that provides substantial cause to conclude that Senator Ensign violated Senate Rules and federal civil and criminal laws, and engaged in improper conduct reflecting upon the Senate, thus betraying the public trust and bringing discredit to the Senate," the report states.


Among other things, the report alleges that Ensign and his parents made illegal payments to his mistress and her husband, made false or misleading statements to the Federal Election Commission, and "permitted spoliation [alteration or destruction] of documents and engaged in potential obstruction of justice violations."


Mr. Ensign's entire Senate career is a fulsome wade into the seamiest lies of American politics. pdf  Nice choice of a GWBush defender. I wouldn't trust any of those quotes at face value.

 
2013-03-20 11:15:51 AM  

Joe Blowme: FlashHarry: Joe Blowme: Funny, he does not speak for my vfw post of the millions given a chance at freedom... I wonder what those buried in mass graves by Sadam would say.

so when do we invade syria? when do we invade north korea? when do we invade iran? when do we invade zimbabwe?

if spending blood and treasure for "the millions given a chance at freedom" is the job of the united states, we're gonna be very busy for the foreseeable future.

better bring back the draft...

Maybe you should brush up on all the reasons for going in.


i was responding to you and the fact that you were justifying the war by pointing out that "millions [were] given a chance at freedom."

never mind that "liberating iraq" was not the primary rationale bush used to sell the war to the american people. rather, he conflated it with 9/11 and claimed that saddam had WMD that directly threatened the US and its allies -- both of which were lies.
 
2013-03-20 11:16:34 AM  
Meh

It has all been said before and at the end of the day the public will be in a state of indifference. Welcome to America where the public gets outraged only when they are told to do so by the various talking heads.
 
2013-03-20 11:20:13 AM  
i1020.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 11:21:15 AM  
ITT: Obama not drawing down the war in Iraq fast enough is just as bad as Bush starting it in the first place - in fact it's exactly the same.
 
2013-03-20 11:23:09 AM  
Heartbreaking.

> I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.

The people that attacked us were dead, the logic of a teenager at work here... taken advantage of by greedy old men.

Never send an army into a country for a terrorist attack. Never worth it. Never solves anything.
 
2013-03-20 11:23:22 AM  

gja: douchebag/hater: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Wrote that well-known atheist and socialist H.L. Mencken.

As for the article:
This guy is blaming Bush and Cheney because he experienced the hazards of joining the military.

I remember a news story from years ago when a joined the Army and tried to get out when he found he was going to be deployed overseas; he said that's not why he enlisted.

No sympathy for the guy.

Yes. THIS^^^^

You join the armed forces then complain you have to go serve and maybe be in harms way? FAIL.
Don't join! Our military has been voluntary-only for decades.


Damn skippy. That's why I don't think any of the veterans that volunteered for service should be eligible for VA services. They volunteered, and should live with the consequences. Besides, they'd get better care in the private market. Everyone knows that the government is inefficient when it comes to health care.
 
2013-03-20 11:23:57 AM  
"Relax, son. Don't worry. Have a Purple Heart."

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-20 11:25:04 AM  
Before you know it we are going to have people in this thread trying to tell us that we would be at war right now anyways, because of Obama.

They are already justifying this war because he is doing too.

Wait you mean we can't just pull out right now? There's still shiat to do? Oh you mean this is actually an irreversible situation?

Might as well blame the current president for the whole thing as well!

Your boy Bush started something that NO ONE is going to be able to get out of.
 
2013-03-20 11:25:13 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.


Maybe saddam was slaughtering large swaths of Iraqis, but it sounds suspiciously like all the other lies from bush and company. It is almost impossible to kill 200000 and not leave some kind of mass grave. If what you are saying is true pictures of the mass graves should be available as proof. If their are no pictures I suspect you are a liar too.
 
2013-03-20 11:26:23 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: "Relax, son. Don't worry. Have a Purple Heart."


Talk about misrepresenting context...
 
2013-03-20 11:27:19 AM  

Dustin_00: Heartbreaking.

> I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.

The people that attacked us were dead, the logic of a teenager at work here... taken advantage of by greedy old men.

Never send an army into a country for a terrorist attack. Never worth it. Never solves anything.


and the guy who lead the organization who perpetrated it was being protected by that country.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-20 11:28:18 AM  

I'm an Egyptian!: gja: douchebag/hater: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Wrote that well-known atheist and socialist H.L. Mencken.

As for the article:
This guy is blaming Bush and Cheney because he experienced the hazards of joining the military.

I remember a news story from years ago when a joined the Army and tried to get out when he found he was going to be deployed overseas; he said that's not why he enlisted.

No sympathy for the guy.

Yes. THIS^^^^

You join the armed forces then complain you have to go serve and maybe be in harms way? FAIL.
Don't join! Our military has been voluntary-only for decades.

Damn skippy. That's why I don't think any of the veterans that volunteered for service should be eligible for VA services. They volunteered, and should live with the consequences. Besides, they'd get better care in the private market. Everyone knows that the government is inefficient when it comes to health care.


Nice troll, try harder.


/VA hospitals need so much work
//also, any armed service-person who serves in combat should be exempted from fed taxes on income for life
 
2013-03-20 11:30:09 AM  
"Take that back, whiner, or I'll shoot you in the face then make you apologize!"

scrapetv.com
 
2013-03-20 11:32:11 AM  
I did not join the Army to "liberate" Iraqis...

Well, when you signed up you should have checked the box next to "Will not fight in Iraq".  Then you would have been ok.
 
2013-03-20 11:36:53 AM  

Erik_Emune: Yogimus:

Before we get too carried away here,  please remember that there WERE nerve agents in Iraq, which was the whole issue behind the whole U.N. inspection teams finding the storage areas unsealed after they secured them.  Furthermore, the military has been steadily disposing those stockpiles since the war began.

Well - no. You're, for lack of a milder term, wrong. Read the goddamn Duelfer report.



I wonder if after a few years there will be a debate over whether history books should tell the truth or this alternative reality the right is pushing.  Soon we will be "teaching the controversy" in the red states.

Even George W. Bush has admitted the truth, spin it any way you want, we (the American people) did not get sold this war on what was actually Iraq's WMD capabilities or their actual non-existent link to 9/11(Al-Qaeda).  Hopefully, you are going to have to at least wait until this generation dies off to have any luck replacing the reality that we all lived through with the current right wing fantasy.

"Now look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq, at the time, was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." 2006 George W. Bush
 
2013-03-20 11:37:43 AM  

Alphax: trey101: NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!


^this... this is what is recognized by the left... not the actual quotes attributed by the leaders on the left.

yet no one on the left biatches about the drone strikes by Obama... why is that?
 
2013-03-20 11:40:25 AM  

trey101: Alphax: trey101: NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!

^this... this is what is recognized by the left... not the actual quotes attributed by the leaders on the left.

yet no one on the left biatches about the drone strikes by Obama... why is that?


I do, though I seem to be in the minority.  I don't accept the premise that whoever was just blown to bits had to be killed somehow.
 
2013-03-20 11:43:46 AM  

gja: I'm an Egyptian!: gja: douchebag/hater: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Wrote that well-known atheist and socialist H.L. Mencken.

As for the article:
This guy is blaming Bush and Cheney because he experienced the hazards of joining the military.

I remember a news story from years ago when a joined the Army and tried to get out when he found he was going to be deployed overseas; he said that's not why he enlisted.

No sympathy for the guy.

Yes. THIS^^^^

You join the armed forces then complain you have to go serve and maybe be in harms way? FAIL.
Don't join! Our military has been voluntary-only for decades.

Damn skippy. That's why I don't think any of the veterans that volunteered for service should be eligible for VA services. They volunteered, and should live with the consequences. Besides, they'd get better care in the private market. Everyone knows that the government is inefficient when it comes to health care.

Nice troll, try harder.


/VA hospitals need so much work
//also, any armed service-person who serves in combat should be exempted from fed taxes on income for life


Not trolling, just showing you how piss poor your argument is. Your response to this individual regarding his service is basically bought the ticket, knew what he was getting into, etc. As an example

"This guy is blaming Bush and Cheney because he experienced the hazards of joining the military."

So what's the difference for the others who volunteered? After all, I volunteered back in 1991, and disagreed with going to Iraq. I still went. I am blaming Bush and Cheney because I experienced the hazards of joining the military?  If you take your blinders off for a split second, you may see it's not only the injuries, its the bullshiat causus belli that he primarily takes issue with. So what is it that makes you say he should suck it up, versus another Vet who presents to the VA with PTSD and TBI issues? They willingly volunteered, does that mean they shouldn't complain when they are dealing with the aftereffects of service? If they shouldn't, then why have the VA in the first place?

Does his letter make you uncomfortable to the point that you'll find any excuse to resolve that cognitive dissonance?
 
2013-03-20 11:44:08 AM  
Sorry, but I can't produce any sympathy for this guy.

Here's a similar scenario.

A guy outside a bar hands me and my friend each a gun, tells me 'the bar is full of evil people, now run in there and kill them'.

We nod, take the gun, run into the bar, and shoot the place up.  Now 10 years later I'm complaining about the fact that seeing the dead bodies, and witnessing my buddy get shot traumatized me for life, plus I got shot when one of the bar patrons fired back.

Have sympathy for me.

If you let someone talk you into killing your fellow man, you deserve every ounce of misery you experience as a result.
 
2013-03-20 11:47:01 AM  

trey101: Alphax: trey101: NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!

^this... this is what is recognized by the left... not the actual quotes attributed by the leaders on the left.

yet no one on the left biatches about the drone strikes by Obama... why is that?


Still didn't read your own link I see.
 
2013-03-20 11:47:30 AM  

trey101: Alphax: trey101: NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!

^this... this is what is recognized by the left... not the actual quotes attributed by the leaders on the left.

yet no one on the left biatches about the drone strikes by Obama... why is that?


Because the drone strikes aren't justified by lies? I'm pretty sure Al Qaeda and radical Islamic militants are a threat to the US, unlike Saddam after Gulf War I.
 
2013-03-20 11:47:31 AM  

violentsalvation: Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?

That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-20 11:50:52 AM  
agoratelegraph.com
 
2013-03-20 11:51:45 AM  
Of all the incredibly stupid statements in this thread, the stupidest has to be that the Democratic politicians who voted for this insane war are "leftists".

Anyone who believes that really has no business blabbering about politics.
 
2013-03-20 11:51:46 AM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: Sorry, but I can't produce any sympathy for this guy.

Here's a similar scenario.

A guy outside a bar hands me and my friend each a gun, tells me 'the bar is full of evil people, now run in there and kill them'.

We nod, take the gun, run into the bar, and shoot the place up.  Now 10 years later I'm complaining about the fact that seeing the dead bodies, and witnessing my buddy get shot traumatized me for life, plus I got shot when one of the bar patrons fired back.

Have sympathy for me.

If you let someone talk you into killing your fellow man, you deserve every ounce of misery you experience as a result.


So.... folks who volunteered for WWII deserve all the misery *they* get, right?

The worst attack on American soil happened.  Plenty of people joined the military for various reasons, definitely with some economic push, but certainly to fight the person responsible for the attack.  To make sure that didn't happen again.  Instead, they got BS reasoning for going to war with an entirely unrelated country from their Commander in Chief.

You know what... don't take it from me.  Go ahead to the American Legion and see if you can find a still alive WWII vet to tell that to.  If you get out alive, congrats.
 
2013-03-20 11:54:07 AM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: Here's a similar scenario.


more like: a guy (bush) gets jumped by a couple of thugs (al qaeda) in the alley (NYC). he asks you to help him kick their asses. you agree (enlist). on your way, he decides to rob a liquor store (iraq) and forces you to help him.

now, most people would say, "hell no" at that point. however, as a soldier who enlisted, you have no choice but to follow your commander in chief.
 
2013-03-20 11:54:50 AM  

Fart_Machine: Joe Blowme: Fart_Machine: Joe Blowme: FlashHarry: Joe Blowme: Funny, he does not speak for my vfw post of the millions given a chance at freedom... I wonder what those buried in mass graves by Sadam would say.

so when do we invade syria? when do we invade north korea? when do we invade iran? when do we invade zimbabwe?

if spending blood and treasure for "the millions given a chance at freedom" is the job of the united states, we're gonna be very busy for the foreseeable future.

better bring back the draft...

Maybe you should brush up on all the reasons for going in.

People still believe this bullshait. Sad.

Your tin foil is slipping, may want to add a few more layers to the hat.

Still believe Saddam was a threat to the US and was manufacturing WMD's for al Qaeda? Fox has kept you well-infromed.


Yes, no... don't watch tv.
 
2013-03-20 11:56:20 AM  

sendtodave: Sgt Otter: neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive.  They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt.  They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.


My favorite was the other day when I saw a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker right next to one that said "Secede" overtop of the Texas flag. Some people are just baffling.
 
2013-03-20 11:58:47 AM  

Kurmudgeon: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And yet as a Christian and a Democrat, I never supported Dubya, Dick or the GOP to the point I've lost family and friends over this issue. Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.
That is not a Christian value. Oh well, I'm sure someone will knee jerk post this Sinclair Lewis quote inaccurately once again.


That's the point.  They don't actually promote Christian or American values.. but they sure make people think they do.
 
2013-03-20 12:02:39 PM  
I failed this guy with my vote for Bush, and for that I'm honestly sorry.
 
2013-03-20 12:07:12 PM  

sendtodave: log_jammin: In what way was the guy who wrote the letter wrong?

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.


Okay.  How does that make the letter writer's feelings wrong?
 
2013-03-20 12:07:51 PM  

sendtodave: log_jammin: sendtodave: log_jammin: In what way was the guy who wrote the letter wrong?

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.

ok?

OK.

That's how he was wrong.


No.
 
2013-03-20 12:11:47 PM  

GoldSpider: DrPainMD: That he knowingly participated in a war of aggression against a country that did nothing to provoke it makes him unworthy of the "hero" tag. I have as much sympathy for him as I do for the Germans who died invading/occupying Poland and France.

"I joined the military to fulfill a personal vendetta." is only a peg or two more noble than "I only joined for the college money!".


Which is why I only see the Facebook activists get up in arms about the military losing benefits, conveniently ignoring the fact that NOW SOLDIERS WILL HAVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES LIKE MOST OF THE REST OF AMERICANS DO.
 
2013-03-20 12:13:26 PM  

firefly212: sendtodave: Sgt Otter: neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive.  They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt.  They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.

My favorite was the other day when I saw a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker right next to one that said "Secede" overtop of the Texas flag. Some people are just baffling.


I always facepalmed at the "Women for Romney" bumper sticker. Because, as we all know, the GOP is very forward-thinking when it comes to women's issues.
 
2013-03-20 12:15:56 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: If you let someone talk you into killing your fellow man, you deserve every ounce of misery you experience as a result.


so con men aren't responsible for a little old lady getting cheated out of money right? it's her own fault?

Frat douchebags who slip a roophie in a drink and give it to a girl then rape her isn't responsible for that right? It's her fault for letting frat-jock-strap poor her a drink?

Your logic is astounding... Blame the victim
 
2013-03-20 12:17:10 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."


With all the stupid, appalling things George Bush said about the war and Bin Laden, it's sad to see that people are still using this fake quote.  It's certainly consistent with things Bush actually said, and some  people might argue that that the exact words aren't that important, but quotation marks mean something. "Fake, but accurate" does one's credibility little good
 
2013-03-20 12:23:03 PM  

Joe Blowme: Yes, no... don't watch tv.


Idiocy - he might have been a threat to US interests, but not to the US, he had no interest in us

Somewhat Reasonable - There wasn't a tie into al-quaida directly, it was eluded to, the biggest factor of the selling point was that there was a "New Axis of Evil" between Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea... and they MIGHT... maybe, possibly if they had the money to buy, supply WMD to AQ... which was theoretically bad, technically speaking...

Bullshiat - that statement reeks of bullshiat... pure and simple
 
2013-03-20 12:24:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: [www.usnews.com image 480x480]


The last good Republican.
 
2013-03-20 12:33:15 PM  
.......and this is why the DoD is so keen on ramping up drone production. Drones don;t biatch and are 100% amoral. They are programmed to do their jobs.

Wars will be cleanly fought with very little overhead, political liabilities and consequences in the future when drone armies and automatons replace human soldiers.

The invading country will also has little to no public backlash because as long as no one's kid is dead the public will go on it's merry way even if drones are killing humans.

If wars are easy to justify nowadays they will be a cakewalk in the future when drone armies become realities. It's already happening now with the Predator etc... it will only get easier.
 
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