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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 884
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2013-03-20 07:51:58 AM

M11618: Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face).


Your hopes have already been dashed then. And will you sign up to be water boarded for charity? We'll give it to help people that have experienced "real" torture.
 
2013-03-20 07:52:00 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Gee. A letter damning GWB and Cheney. Who coulda seen this coming. And from an outfit called TruthDig.

What did this guy think was going to happen? Tiddlywinks and ticker tape parades? Qar is hell and if you sign up to be a soldier, you are probably going to see the Hell.

A tug on the heart-strings moment means no one criticizes, but the issue of taking America into war deserves a lot more seriousness than a letter from a veteran, whose opinion is at odds with so many other veterans.


fark you.
 
2013-03-20 07:52:36 AM
meh. 2/10.
 
2013-03-20 07:53:01 AM
Late to the party but...

The talking point is it was Congress not the President's fault?

Christ, that is weak
 
2013-03-20 07:53:19 AM

M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in.


So, you still like it?
 
2013-03-20 07:54:08 AM

Mrfusticle: Late to the party but...

The talking point is it was Congress not the President's fault?

Christ, that is weak


It's both.  And the American people's, too.
 
2013-03-20 07:54:18 AM

GORDON: Hey, anybody remember, "Bush Derangement Syndrome?"


We hated Bush for what he did. They hate Obama for what he is.
 
2013-03-20 07:54:24 AM

M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in. No more Saddam, under him Iraq had no chance. At least it had a chance now. Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face). Iraqis thanked me for helping oust Saddam, I value their opinion over y'all's, most of who have never been with 8 thousand miles of Iraq.


What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?
 
2013-03-20 07:55:04 AM
"I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines... I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives..."

People who do things on others "behalf" should have to check with every last one of them to make sure they actually want them to do it or they should STFU.

/pet peeve.
 
2013-03-20 07:56:27 AM
A whiny liberal complaining about war?  Shocking!

A whiny, uninformed liberal regurgitating nonsense and then receiving accolades from other whiny, uninformed liberals?  Even more shocking!
 
2013-03-20 07:56:39 AM

Alphax: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in. No more Saddam, under him Iraq had no chance. At least it had a chance now. Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face). Iraqis thanked me for helping oust Saddam, I value their opinion over y'all's, most of who have never been with 8 thousand miles of Iraq.

What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?


But are they state sanctioned by Saddam?  No?

Then it's better now!
 
2013-03-20 07:56:57 AM

sendtodave: bulldg4life: If the Bush Administration didn't want to go to war, they had countless opportunities to stop it. Instead, they ignored or falsified intelligence, ignored international opinion, and did everything they could to sell people on the greatness of the cause.

Pointing out that 85 democrats got tricked by the false intelligence and jingoistic fervor stirred up by Bush and the GOP doesn't give you a winning argument.

The idea that Republicans were war-mongers and Democrats were dupes, or simply cowed, is dangerous.

It seeks to absolve the dupes and cowards.

The dupes and cowards are the ones who give tyrants their mandates.


I have no problem calling the democrats idiots for falling in to the jingoism and fear that was stirred up to start the Iraqi war.

However, I am quite liberal. And, I'm not in this thread doing it in an effort to absolve Bush or the GOP of blame.

You have such a cute line about giving tyrants their power...well, we still get to blame the tyrants for being tyrants despite how many dupes there are. That seems to be what many are missing.

If the Bush Administration/GOP didn't want war, then they could've went along with international opinion, not falsified intelligence, not beat the jingoistic drum for war over the course of 2002. At any time they could've stopped it.

Whatever happened to that "the buck stops here, I'm the decider" crap? Only good enough til people realize he's a goddamn idiot and people need to cover their tracks?
 
2013-03-20 07:57:22 AM

untaken_name: If you think the people responsible for war care about the people fighting war, you don't yet understand the true nature of war.


The true nature of war is insanity.
 
2013-03-20 07:57:23 AM

Phineas: A whiny liberal complaining about war?  Shocking!

A whiny, uninformed liberal regurgitating nonsense and then receiving accolades from other whiny, uninformed liberals?  Even more shocking!


Support your troops.
 
2013-03-20 07:58:07 AM
I'm not going to mock or praise this man... I know nothing of war, not have I ever served in the military. The letter seems sincere and I agree with him for the most part, but maybe I'm just numb to all of this, at this point. I don't know...

Yes, this was a war of choice that was sold on lies, promoted by the media, and, at the beginning at least, supported by the majority of Americans regardless of which political ideology they subscribed to. There was a vocal minority, who opposed it and they were shouted down at all levels. But we should not forget, this was not a unanimous war... There were many (again, not a majority) pointing out the folly of this little nation building project and predicting what it would cost our nation in lives and treasure. Those people were proven right and the architects of this war, in my mind, are the ones who carry most of the blame for it. Will they ever have their Robert McNamara moment? I guess time will tell, but, in my mind, the Bush Administration bares the responsibility for all these lost lives. It was their decision to commit forces. It was their decision to invade a country half-assed with no defined victory conditions. Does that absolve the folks who allowed themselves to be led by their noses by the Bush Administration into a senseless war? No.
 
2013-03-20 07:59:38 AM

Alphax: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in. No more Saddam, under him Iraq had no chance. At least it had a chance now. Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face). Iraqis thanked me for helping oust Saddam, I value their opinion over y'all's, most of who have never been with 8 thousand miles of Iraq.

What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?

You

re an idiot. Saddam ran rape rooms and torture camps, is he still their doing it now? I could have sworn they hung his ass. My understanding of the situation is now the government isn't hanging people from meat hook s and burning them with hot irons, nor are they shoving people feet first into wood chippers. But let's look at what's really important. You got to protest against Bush who you didn't like and now y get to feel smug about it. That's what's
 
2013-03-20 07:59:54 AM

Alphax: What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?


I'd imagine it's similar to the one Democrats use when thinking about the fact that their liberal strongholds are less safe than third-world shiatholes.
 
2013-03-20 07:59:58 AM

bulldg4life: You have such a cute line about giving tyrants their power...well, we still get to blame the tyrants for being tyrants despite how many dupes there are. That seems to be what many are missing.


Oh, of course.  But, if He That Shant Be Named never had captured the publics fear, outrage, and anger, he'd just have become a mediocre painter, and war would have been averted.

/guess which one I mean
 
2013-03-20 08:01:25 AM

M11618: Alphax: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in. No more Saddam, under him Iraq had no chance. At least it had a chance now. Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face). Iraqis thanked me for helping oust Saddam, I value their opinion over y'all's, most of who have never been with 8 thousand miles of Iraq.

What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?

Youre an idiot. Saddam ran rape rooms and torture camps, is he still their doing it now? I could have sworn they hung his ass. My understanding of the situation is now the government isn't hanging people from meat hook s and burning them with hot irons, nor are they shoving people feet first into wood chippers. But let's look at what's really important. You got to protest against Bush who you didn't like and now y get to feel smug about it. That's what's


You're so deep in denial.. how many Iraqis did you rape?
 
2013-03-20 08:01:45 AM

keylock71: in my mind, the Bush Administration bares the responsibility for all these lost lives. It was their decision to commit forces. It was their decision to invade a country half-assed with no defined victory conditions. Does that absolve the folks who allowed themselves to be led by their noses by the Bush Administration into a senseless war? No.


I wholly agree.
 
2013-03-20 08:04:10 AM
Oh, of course. But, if He That Shant Be Named never had captured the publics fear, outrage, and anger, he'd just have become a mediocre painter, and war would have been averted.

Your comparison is bad. Hitler tried the painting thing before the tyrant thing.
 
2013-03-20 08:06:22 AM

sendtodave: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in.

So, you still like it?


Yes, I do still support the invasion of Iraq. Why don't you give it a few years and then see how it all falls out. Was WWII popular towards the end? They had to institute a draft, was it worth it? Was the civil war popular at the end? They had draft riots, a peace party wanting to make peace with the south almost won the election of 1864 (sack of Atlanta stopped that), 600,000+ Americans dead, and half the country destroyed. Was the civil war worth it? Why don't we see how Iraq turns out? I absolutely think it was the right thing and I volunteered for the infantry, went to Iraq, went into combat, and I would do it all over again  if I had to.
 
2013-03-20 08:07:20 AM

Fart_Machine: Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?

Pffft, nobody declares war anymore.  It's so 1941.


IlGreven: Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?

...neither has since 1941.


And now I get to be the nitpicky military historian, yay!

Technically, the last time the United States issued a Declaration of War was 5 June 1942 (Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary).  We apparently forgot to declare war on Germany's allies the week after Pearl Harbor.
 
2013-03-20 08:07:26 AM

Alphax: What kind of mental block does it take to think that a country that's been invaded and occupied has less rape, murder, and torture than before?


Well the rape, murder, and torture was being done by white guys. So that makes it OK.
 
2013-03-20 08:07:46 AM

M11618: sendtodave: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in.

So, you still like it?

Yes, I do still support the invasion of Iraq. Why don't you give it a few years and then see how it all falls out. Was WWII popular towards the end? They had to institute a draft, was it worth it? Was the civil war popular at the end? They had draft riots, a peace party wanting to make peace with the south almost won the election of 1864 (sack of Atlanta stopped that), 600,000+ Americans dead, and half the country destroyed. Was the civil war worth it? Why don't we see how Iraq turns out? I absolutely think it was the right thing and I volunteered for the infantry, went to Iraq, went into combat, and I would do it all over again  if I had to.


But let's not think that volunteer troops are pro-war or anything.
 
2013-03-20 08:08:40 AM

UNC_Samurai: Technically, the last time the United States issued a Declaration of War was 5 June 1942 (Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary).  We apparently forgot to declare war on Germany's allies the week after Pearl Harbor.


It's easier to fight a war if your troops are all already there.
 
2013-03-20 08:10:20 AM

muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

You hated how Bush spent so much, that you reelected him, didn't you?

A true Fark Independent!

Yeah maybe if we had a list of pre-approved "actual conservatives", we would know what real conservative thought is. We had to rely on conservative media telling us that Bush was the most conservative to ever conserve since Reagan. Joke is on us I guess.

You have TPM and Daily Kos telling you what Conservatives really think. Keep riding that tard train.


Sorry, I don't visit those sites.

Where is your list of approved conservatives? Put up or shut up. I'm happy to bury you with quotes from prominent conservative thought merchants praising Bush for his conservative credentials. Up until they realized they couldn't polish that turd at least. Then they decided he must be a liberal.
 
2013-03-20 08:10:37 AM
Mehdia mattuhs sez dis guy sucks! sowndls like hez from texas. so tared of fluhovuh staytes, How but ya guys?
 
2013-03-20 08:10:48 AM

sendtodave: keylock71: in my mind, the Bush Administration bares the responsibility for all these lost lives. It was their decision to commit forces. It was their decision to invade a country half-assed with no defined victory conditions. Does that absolve the folks who allowed themselves to be led by their noses by the Bush Administration into a senseless war? No.

I wholly agree.


I just finished reading this book a few weeks back: To End All Wars

Obviously, it's about a completely different war in a completely different time, but the parallels between the run up to WWI and the Iraq War are interesting. Especially with regards to the way dissenting voices were treated.

Worth a read, if you're so inclined.
 
2013-03-20 08:12:23 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-20 08:13:13 AM

sendtodave: But let's not think that volunteer troops are pro-war or anything.


He's a marine. They don't count.
 
2013-03-20 08:14:08 AM

kombi: So you join the military. Get sick. Now pissed that you where expected to fight im a military action because well you joined the military. So today's military is just the post office. A bunch of guys that dont want to work. Dont want to do the job they volunteered for. Pick and choose what orders to follow. Well its definitely an example of the past few generations. Im sorry your sick. Im sorry your going out this way. I know your mad this is the way your going out. But grow a pair.

And get over it. This has been Obama war for what 5 years now. Has he pulled all the troops out no. And this war crimes crap needs to go away.


This veteran (are you one, by the way? If not, your opinion on active duty service in a warzone is useless to me) did not "get sick". He was wounded and paralyzed, left with substantially reduced life expectancy, and the life he had left was one of chronic pain and depression.

Not only does your haughty and disdainful tone show a massive degree of disrespect and inhumanity to your fellow man, but you intentionally obfuscate the actual conditions of this man's life in order to make your rather ITG point that nobody agrees with.

Bravo, troll. If you're being honest about your statements you may just be the most ignorant motherfarker I've seen on here in a few weeks, at least.
 
2013-03-20 08:16:13 AM
Touching, but unfortunately, a waste of some of his last energy. Bush Co. don't give a flying damn. They got what they came for: $$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$
 
2013-03-20 08:19:57 AM

muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

You hated how Bush spent so much, that you reelected him, didn't you?

A true Fark Independent!

Yeah maybe if we had a list of pre-approved "actual conservatives", we would know what real conservative thought is. We had to rely on conservative media telling us that Bush was the most conservative to ever conserve since Reagan. Joke is on us I guess.

You have TPM and Daily Kos telling you what Conservatives really think. Keep riding that tard train.

Sorry, I don't visit those sites.

Where is your list of approved conservatives? Put up or shut up. I'm happy to bury you with quotes from prominent conservative thought merchants praising Bush for his conservative credentials. Up until they realized they couldn't polish that turd at least. Then they decided he must be a liberal.

Bury with a quote of my own.

muck4doo: Mehdia mattuhs sez dis guy sucks! sowndls like hez from texas. so tared of fluhovuh staytes, How but ya guys?

Really. That's what asshats like you sound like to the rest of the world.


You're so upset, honey.

You got rooked like the rest of your idiot brethren, it's ok to admit it.

Here you are, claiming that you hated his spending and that there is some cabal of "actual" conservatives that agree with you, but you can't seem to name any of them. In an attempt to cover this up, you're typing in some pidgin language trying to claim that everyone else are media dupes. You're a special little guy and we're all proud of you, but sometimes we worry you're not taking your medicine.
 
2013-03-20 08:21:07 AM

Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress


THIS
Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's ... but hey ... can't blame anyone else but b-b-b-b-BUSH
 
2013-03-20 08:21:47 AM

keylock71: Worth a read, if you're so inclined.


Thanks, I am.
 
2013-03-20 08:22:34 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-20 08:23:45 AM

Bartman66: Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's...


Did Clinton or Gore invade Iraq?
 
2013-03-20 08:25:13 AM

GORDON: Kurmudgeon: Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, ...


DONE!!
This pretty much covers all of the crying / blaming all one side or saying that those poor dems were .. strong armed? or forced??lol..ya right...
 
2013-03-20 08:26:54 AM

Without Fail: Bartman66: Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's...

Did Clinton or Gore invade Iraq?


They were getting busy in Yugoslavia at the time
 
2013-03-20 08:27:26 AM

Bartman66: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

THIS
Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's ... but hey ... can't blame anyone else but b-b-b-b-BUSH


More importantly, it doesn't matter anymore. You have to go all the way back to the cold war to see when and where our policy in the middle east started going wrong, and none of the laying of blame is going to fix it now.
I like Obama, and voted for him - but I do not deceive myself into thinking that he has brought us anything but a slightly more moderate version of the same old broken policy.
At some point soon, we are going to have to choose between being a healthy, prosperous sovereign nation, and being cop and nanny to an ungrateful and undeserving world - and until we face, and make that choice, nothing is really going to change.
 
2013-03-20 08:27:39 AM
the Truth is always more painful than the Lie.

and this Nation does not place a whole lot of value on the Truth.
 
2013-03-20 08:28:16 AM
Having WMD does not a threat make. The rest of the world knew this. Deficient neoconservative thinking and a public still thirsty for revenge after 9/11 made the war happen.
 
2013-03-20 08:28:40 AM

Yogimus: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And will be for your own good.


Wrong.

for the Owner's own good.  that excludes you.
 
2013-03-20 08:29:16 AM

El_Swino: Meh.  Liberal plant.  Not a real American.



Real American(tm)
 
2013-03-20 08:29:47 AM

Without Fail: Bartman66: Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's...

Did Clinton or Gore invade Iraq?


Did they shoot missles? but more importantly did they also believ and even make SPEECHES about their dire need to take action if Sadam doesn;t get rid of his WMD'S? what actions do you think that they were referring to when they claimed that? more strong worded letters? if that was the case then why did he even send missle over there?
whyt not only write letters and use "mean" words??
 
2013-03-20 08:30:34 AM

sendtodave: UNC_Samurai: Technically, the last time the United States issued a Declaration of War was 5 June 1942 (Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary).  We apparently forgot to declare war on Germany's allies the week after Pearl Harbor.

It's easier to fight a war if your troops are all already there.


The only place we already were, were the Pacific and preparing for an invasion of Vichy French North Africa - controlled by two powers that declared war on us first.  And we never actually engaged any of Germany's east European allies in major combat operations.

Oddly enough, that was also the last year we had a sanctioned privateer operating for the U.S. - the Goodyear airship Resolute.  Sadly, Congress never authorized an official Letter of Marque for the blimp.
 
2013-03-20 08:30:35 AM
Americans know the Price of Everything and the Value of Nothing.
 
2013-03-20 08:31:34 AM

jso2897: Bartman66: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

THIS
Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's ... but hey ... can't blame anyone else but b-b-b-b-BUSH

More importantly, it doesn't matter anymore. You have to go all the way back to the cold war to see when and where our policy in the middle east started going wrong, and none of the laying of blame is going to fix it now.
I like Obama, and voted for him - but I do not deceive myself into thinking that he has brought us anything but a slightly more moderate version of the same old broken policy.
At some point soon, we are going to have to choose between being a healthy, prosperous sovereign nation, and being cop and nanny to an ungrateful and undeserving world - and until we face, and make that choice, nothing is really going to change.


The only problem is, the neither of those scenarios are likely to hold as China basically barrels over North America and the "old ways" due to, frankly, the last 20 years of "free trade" and our own richest elites selling the rest of us down the river, pouring money into China and other developing nations.

Do you think the United States will be able to enforce ANYTHING internationally in 20 years? Maybe against the third-world shiatholes they currently do, but forget about "enforcing" anything as "cop" anywhere else. The USA is about to get a shiatkicking due to the extreme poor fiscal and social policy enacted over the past 20 years (primarily by GOP actors, maybe 70% of it, but certainly not all of it).

If you wanted a stronger nation of stronger people, you should have turned to democratic socialism or social democracy and actually built public infrastructure and retained your own wealth instead of shipping it all away for profits for the top 1% of your own elites. The same people who will just abscond with all of their capital and resources the second they need to abandon ship.
 
2013-03-20 08:31:35 AM

Bartman66: Without Fail: Bartman66: Funny how quickly the left ONLY blame the "others" and not their own. Bill Clinton? Al Gore? just a sample of the powerful leaders that SWEAR TO GOD and have NO DOUBT of Sadams WMD's...

Did Clinton or Gore invade Iraq?

Did they shoot missles? but more importantly did they also believ and even make SPEECHES about their dire need to take action if Sadam doesn;t get rid of his WMD'S? what actions do you think that they were referring to when they claimed that? more strong worded letters? if that was the case then why did he even send missle over there?
whyt not only write letters and use "mean" words??


How exactly is Operation Desert Fox an excuse for the failures of the Bush administration?
 
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