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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 880
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2013-03-20 05:35:06 AM
Reasonable people: "War is wrong. Killing people is wrong. You don't make peace by killing more people".

Tard people: "Bush is war kriminail! Obama got this right! Go get em Obama!"

Idiot People: "Muslims gonna kill us if we don't kill em first"

I've said it over and over again here on fark. Islam isn't the problem, neither are the Sauds. Yet we still see photoshops of Bush Kissing King Abdullah, pictures of Reagan meeting with the Taliban(who didn't exist until the 90's years after Reagan left office), and I just can't help but notice, most of you are retards who have no clue to the world around you except what you read at TPM and Daily Kos. I will look into getting into that comfortable derp zone in the future.
 
2013-03-20 05:41:22 AM

StoPPeRmobile: fusillade762: StoPPeRmobile: Remember when Sadam complained about Kuwait slant drilling so the the borders were re-drawn?

Saddam even asked permission first (sort of):

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960′s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)

Thanks but that's not a scholarly source.


On 25 July 1990, the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border.

The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, "inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion" on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts."

She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait.[20][21]


That's wikipedia. You can follow the sources yourself.
Seems pretty clear to me we could have avoided Desert Storm if we'd focused more on diplomacy. And been less gullible about "Incubator babies dashed to the floor by mustache-twirling Iraqi soldiers" bullshiat.
 
2013-03-20 05:44:50 AM
The thing that really struck me was how "Iraqi centric" all the network TV became. News had "inside Iraq's torture chambers" specials running, history/discovery was jam-packed with "Gulf War/Saddam's Rapehouses" footage...


In hindsight, it was really... impressive.
 
2013-03-20 05:46:17 AM
Okay. I can't go to sleep until ESPN and Madden 25 announces whether Jake Delhomme made it to the next round.
 
2013-03-20 05:47:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBCUIurDtjg

^ Arafat on 9/11... he knew what was up.
 
2013-03-20 05:47:54 AM

Yogimus: The thing that really struck me was how "Iraqi centric" all the network TV became. News had "inside Iraq's torture chambers" specials running, history/discovery was jam-packed with "Gulf War/Saddam's Rapehouses" footage...


In hindsight, it was really... impressive.


I liked the Uday rape soccer edition one.
 
2013-03-20 05:48:40 AM

GORDON: "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998


Bill Clinton knew the stuff about Saddam having WMDs was bullshiat but he was willing to perpetuate that lie so that the CIA could continue trying to depose Saddam through the sanctions, the weapons inspections, and other covert means. Clinton did not invade and occupy Iraq based on that lie.
 
2013-03-20 05:59:52 AM

randomjsa: Considering all the primary tenants of fascism have more in common with Obama's beliefs than Bush's beliefs


Interesting. You actually believe that corporatism, nationalism, authoritarian oppression of minorities, suppression of intellectualism,  suppression of art, demonization of outside influences and dismantling of parliamentary democracy more closely represent Obama's ideology than Bush's?

You must be a very troubled person.
 
2013-03-20 06:01:55 AM

MinkeyMan: randomjsa: Considering all the primary tenants of fascism have more in common with Obama's beliefs than Bush's beliefs

Interesting. You actually believe that corporatism, nationalism, authoritarian oppression of minorities, suppression of intellectualism,  suppression of art, demonization of outside influences and dismantling of parliamentary democracy more closely represent Obama's ideology than Bush's?

You must be a very troubled person.


+1 Mr Mao
 
2013-03-20 06:04:32 AM

muck4doo: MinkeyMan: randomjsa: Considering all the primary tenants of fascism have more in common with Obama's beliefs than Bush's beliefs

Interesting. You actually believe that corporatism, nationalism, authoritarian oppression of minorities, suppression of intellectualism,  suppression of art, demonization of outside influences and dismantling of parliamentary democracy more closely represent Obama's ideology than Bush's?

You must be a very troubled person.

+1 Mr Mao


Or you are both right, and they are sides of the same coin? Of course, you probably contribute all the stuff done at a local level to the administration as opposed to the responsible people, but hey.... whatever works, so long as you get to play the victim, amirite?
 
2013-03-20 06:06:41 AM
The world is a vampire.
 
2013-03-20 06:13:27 AM
Confused as to whether this like being a Pats or Raiders fan. All I know is my inner retard is coming free.
 
2013-03-20 06:13:32 AM

Kurmudgeon: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And yet as a Christian and a Democrat, I never supported Dubya, Dick or the GOP to the point I've lost family and friends over this issue. Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.
That is not a Christian value. Oh well, I'm sure someone will knee jerk post this Sinclair Lewis quote inaccurately once again.


Maybe they aren't quoting Sinclair Lewis.  Maybe they aren't even quoting Huey Long.
 
2013-03-20 06:15:10 AM
Oh damnit. That's right. This is a politics thread. Sorry for that daydreaming distraction.
 
2013-03-20 06:17:16 AM

thamike: Kurmudgeon: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And yet as a Christian and a Democrat, I never supported Dubya, Dick or the GOP to the point I've lost family and friends over this issue. Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.
That is not a Christian value. Oh well, I'm sure someone will knee jerk post this Sinclair Lewis quote inaccurately once again.

Maybe they aren't quoting Sinclair Lewis.  Maybe they aren't even quoting Huey Long.


Quoting Howey Long. Feel your inner retard.
 
2013-03-20 06:17:31 AM

Yogimus: Or you are both right, and they are sides of the same coin? Of course, you probably contribute all the stuff done at a local level to the administration as opposed to the responsible people, but hey.... whatever works, so long as you get to play the victim, amirite?


Yes. The end result of communism and fascism is essentially the same. I know this because I have lived under military rule in pre-democracy Indonesia and also spent 2 years in the Soviet Union.

However, my original post was in response to Random's contention that Obama is more ideologically aligned with fascism than Bush. I don't think either of their ideologies come anywhere near fascism, but to say the Obama leans more that way than Bush is errant nonsense.
 
2013-03-20 06:18:11 AM

Deep Contact: The world is a vampire.


<3

!
 
2013-03-20 06:24:08 AM
I write this letter, I write this letter, I write this letter, I write this letter,  I write this letter,  I write this letter,  I write this letter.....

So, you writing a letter?
 
2013-03-20 06:25:06 AM

Confabulat: I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?


It turned out exactly as I thought it would back in 2001.  I remember there was a night in the late fall, after it became clear the Taliban was going to be kicked out of Afghanistan, when there was a "The Connection" show about how Bush was going to use the public reaction to 9/11 to enable the neocon's long dreamed of invasion of Iraq.  I was driving home listening to it, I sat in the garage for about 20 minutes listening until the show ended.  Up until that point I always believe the Democrats would block it but the show made it clear that public would be all for it (gotta kick some more arab ass) and the dems wouldn't stand up to the pressure.   As far as I am concerned invading Iraq was obviously a lose/lose/lose situation long before it even happened.  It made life much worse for most Iraqis, it didn't help the situation in the middle east and probably made it worse and it helped destroy the world economy by jacking up the price of oil.  The exact opposite of what the neocons predicted.
 
2013-03-20 06:25:31 AM

MinkeyMan: Yogimus: Or you are both right, and they are sides of the same coin? Of course, you probably contribute all the stuff done at a local level to the administration as opposed to the responsible people, but hey.... whatever works, so long as you get to play the victim, amirite?

Yes. The end result of communism and fascism is essentially the same. I know this because I have lived under military rule in pre-democracy Indonesia and also spent 2 years in the Soviet Union.

However, my original post was in response to Random's contention that Obama is more ideologically aligned with fascism than Bush. I don't think either of their ideologies come anywhere near fascism, but to say the Obama leans more that way than Bush is errant nonsense.


I agree 100%. I also love how the folks that say these things don't have a clue about the actual mechanics of our government.
 
2013-03-20 06:30:57 AM

Yogimus: MinkeyMan: Yogimus: Or you are both right, and they are sides of the same coin? Of course, you probably contribute all the stuff done at a local level to the administration as opposed to the responsible people, but hey.... whatever works, so long as you get to play the victim, amirite?

Yes. The end result of communism and fascism is essentially the same. I know this because I have lived under military rule in pre-democracy Indonesia and also spent 2 years in the Soviet Union.

However, my original post was in response to Random's contention that Obama is more ideologically aligned with fascism than Bush. I don't think either of their ideologies come anywhere near fascism, but to say the Obama leans more that way than Bush is errant nonsense.

I agree 100%. I also love how the folks that say these things don't have a clue about the actual mechanics of our government.


For the record, any politician that uses the phrase "Bush lied" deserves to be the first against the wall.
 
2013-03-20 06:37:21 AM
I am virtually incapable of starting a sentence without 'I' or 'you'.
 
2013-03-20 06:41:43 AM
Strahp rut dare! I gotsta nah burh now!

/Go Patriots!
//lulz
 
2013-03-20 06:42:01 AM

indylaw: I am virtually incapable of starting a sentence without 'I' or 'you'.


you don't say.
 
2013-03-20 07:07:10 AM
This guy is a cock.

I'm sorry he's dying, but we are all dying. We are nanoseconds behind him on the scale of eternity.

He enlisted, was not drafted, and cashed and spent every paycheck. Every whore hates their johns, but only become vocal about it once their looks have gone.

/yes, 25 years Army, deployed overseas to the sandbox
//got combat patch
///didn't care for a lot of thingsm bad food, long hours, but always reenlisted...if I hadn't gotten too old and fat and asthmatic, I'd still be in.
 
2013-03-20 07:09:36 AM
One thing I have learned from this thread is that if you are pro Obama and compare him to Bush, you get; "B...b...but Bush!"

And if you are anti-Obama and compare him to Bush, it's perfectly reasonable and Obama is just as bad as Bush. If not worse.

At least in the minds of some of the more idiotic posters 'round here.
 
2013-03-20 07:10:50 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-20 07:12:07 AM
Lots of blame to go around. Unfortunately, apathetic and willfully ignorant citizens share a large amount of the blame.

Blame Bush if you want, but I remember how it was before Iraq. I questioned their involvement as well as why we'd need to invade. When Bush stated that there would be no nation building, I knew that was a lie.

The support for undeclared and unconstitutional war had bi partisan support.

I'm conservative and was against the war. Knew enough history and of the geopolitical situation to know how it'd probably end up. Ron Paul was even warning of the ramifications.

Intelligence is not the same as wisdom. You can have all the data in front of you. If you can't figure out context and simply act with knee jerk reactions, then things will always end badly for you.
 
2013-03-20 07:13:49 AM

JRoo: One thing I have learned from this thread is that if you are pro Obama and compare him to Bush, you get; "B...b...but Bush!"

And if you are anti-Obama and compare him to Bush, it's perfectly reasonable and Obama is just as bad as Bush. If not worse.

At least in the minds of some of the more idiotic posters 'round here.


Also something about vampires.
 
2013-03-20 07:18:06 AM
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!
 
2013-03-20 07:25:48 AM
djh0101010: whining

Both Sides Are Bad!
 
2013-03-20 07:28:20 AM

ciberido: sendtodave: I live in China.  Most expats and locals have this "how could the most powerful country be so dumb" attitude about the whole affair.

It's like realizing you left the keys to the car with your five year old.

Are you talking about China or the USA?


The US, of course.

Your average British, European, or Aussie expats, or your average local Chinese, all know that the US is the most powerful country.  They just don't agree that it should be, for their various reasons.

Abusing our "world police" status is a valid one, IMO.
 
2013-03-20 07:33:21 AM

log_jammin: As for him being "pro-war" in general, that's one big ass assumption about him, and everyone else who has ever been in the military.


Anyone that chooses to join the military is pro-war, unless they enjoycognitive dissonance.

I mean, that's their job.  War.

There is no conscientious objector in an all volunteer military, unless they are too dim to understand what the military exists for.
 
2013-03-20 07:34:18 AM

grunthos: He enlisted, was not drafted, and cashed and spent every paycheck. Every whore hates their johns, but only become vocal about it once their looks have gone.


+smart
 
2013-03-20 07:34:49 AM
Everybody always seems to forget:Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
upload.wikimedia.org
It's easy to look back with what you now know my friend but you enlisted knowing they can send you anywhere at any time. Godspeed.
 
2013-03-20 07:35:09 AM
I'm impressed that so many people have gone with the "hey, democrats were totally involved, too" angle. Coming from people that otherwise claim to be independent just makes it humorous when you are spending time trying to absolve Bush/GOP from even a small bit of blame.

If the Bush Administration didn't want to go to war, they had countless opportunities to stop it. Instead, they ignored or falsified intelligence, ignored international opinion, and did everything they could to sell people on the greatness of the cause.

Pointing out that 85 democrats got tricked by the false intelligence and jingoistic fervor stirred up by Bush and the GOP doesn't give you a winning argument.

That you are still fighting against the idea of blaming Bush ten years later is amazing, though.
 
2013-03-20 07:37:53 AM

Confabulat: I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?


I would assume they thnk of it like the current Iraqi regime:  "Things would be great, if not for those pesky terrorists flooding in here!"

Which is almost amusing, since we went to Iraq under the guise of fighting terrorists.  Well, we got that!

Iraq, then, was just a honey-pot.
 
2013-03-20 07:41:41 AM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Everybody always seems to forget:Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x460]
It's easy to look back with what you now know my friend but you enlisted knowing they can send you anywhere at any time. Godspeed.


Not relevant.  Popularity doesn't make crimes not criminal.
 
2013-03-20 07:42:01 AM

muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.


You hated how Bush spent so much, that you reelected him, didn't you?

A true Fark Independent!
 
2013-03-20 07:43:14 AM

bulldg4life: If the Bush Administration didn't want to go to war, they had countless opportunities to stop it. Instead, they ignored or falsified intelligence, ignored international opinion, and did everything they could to sell people on the greatness of the cause.

Pointing out that 85 democrats got tricked by the false intelligence and jingoistic fervor stirred up by Bush and the GOP doesn't give you a winning argument.


The idea that Republicans were war-mongers and Democrats were dupes, or simply cowed, is dangerous.

It seeks to absolve the dupes and cowards.

The dupes and cowards are the ones who give tyrants their mandates.
 
2013-03-20 07:43:14 AM

bulldg4life: That you are still fighting against the idea of blaming Bush ten years later is amazing, though.


I just sit back and smile. All the public trust Reagan had built in Republican foreign policy is now deader than the man himself. Proof be in the pudding right there.
 
2013-03-20 07:45:29 AM

Alphax: Snowflake Tubbybottom: Everybody always seems to forget:Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x460]
It's easy to look back with what you now know my friend but you enlisted knowing they can send you anywhere at any time. Godspeed.

Not relevant.  Popularity doesn't make crimes not criminal.


Crimes don't exist when no one will prosecute.
 
2013-03-20 07:46:07 AM
Real Americans get to tie the Bush era to the GOP forever, so that's nice. Why did you guys think electing a buffoon would turn out well for you? How's that permanent republican majority working out?
 
2013-03-20 07:46:09 AM

sendtodave: The idea that Republicans were war-mongers and Democrats were dupes, or simply cowed, is dangerous.

It seeks to absolve the dupes and cowards.

The dupes and cowards are the ones who give tyrants their mandates.


Here's a helpful tip: Calling most everyone else 'dupes and cowards' is good for stroking the ol' ego, but its the fast track to getting yourself farkied as 'asshole'.
 
2013-03-20 07:46:19 AM

sendtodave: Anyone that chooses to join the military is pro-war, unless they enjoycognitive dissonance.

I mean, that's their job.  War.


Anyone that chooses to join the police is pro-crime, unless they enjoy cognitive dissonance.

I mean, that's their job. Crime.
 
2013-03-20 07:47:40 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: sendtodave: The idea that Republicans were war-mongers and Democrats were dupes, or simply cowed, is dangerous.

It seeks to absolve the dupes and cowards.

The dupes and cowards are the ones who give tyrants their mandates.

Here's a helpful tip: Calling most everyone else 'dupes and cowards' is good for stroking the ol' ego, but its the fast track to getting yourself farkied as 'asshole'.


Isn't that the argument?  The the Democrats didn't really want war, but they went along because they were either fooled or scared?

Thus, they bear no responsibility?
 
2013-03-20 07:48:16 AM
Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in. No more Saddam, under him Iraq had no chance. At least it had a chance now. Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face). Iraqis thanked me for helping oust Saddam, I value their opinion over y'all's, most of who have never been with 8 thousand miles of Iraq.
 
2013-03-20 07:48:30 AM

Without Fail: sendtodave: Anyone that chooses to join the military is pro-war, unless they enjoycognitive dissonance.

I mean, that's their job.  War.

Anyone that chooses to join the police is pro-crime, unless they enjoy cognitive dissonance.

I mean, that's their job. Crime.


Tends to be the same kinds of people, really.
 
2013-03-20 07:49:40 AM

Without Fail: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

You hated how Bush spent so much, that you reelected him, didn't you?

A true Fark Independent!


Yeah maybe if we had a list of pre-approved "actual conservatives", we would know what real conservative thought is. We had to rely on conservative media telling us that Bush was the most conservative to ever conserve since Reagan. Joke is on us I guess.
 
2013-03-20 07:51:58 AM

M11618: Hopefully no more state sanctioned rapes, murders, torture (and I mean real torture, acid, hooks, fire, etc, not water being dumped on your face).


Your hopes have already been dashed then. And will you sign up to be water boarded for charity? We'll give it to help people that have experienced "real" torture.
 
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