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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 877
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2013-03-20 04:01:31 AM  

muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.


Oh don't worry, we saw all the "actual conservatives" over there in the "ten years ago" thread.

New hurp, same as the old derp.
 
2013-03-20 04:02:38 AM  

muck4doo: Pea to nickle size hail stones. Starting to die down now a bit.


Why to hailstones always have to be the size of something else? Why can't they just be their own size and stick with it?
 
2013-03-20 04:05:00 AM  

muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.


"actual conservatives"? what "actual conservatives" in congress were speaking out against the republicans spending spree? were they the ones handing out check of the floor of congress during the vote on medicare part d?
 
2013-03-20 04:06:14 AM  
Whatever.
 
2013-03-20 04:07:35 AM  
This is how the 1% operate - no moral compass and would have their minions fark up babies with gredades if it meant they got paid.
 
2013-03-20 04:08:27 AM  

Corn_Fed: muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

Please. There was no widespread call among conservatives against Bush's spending during his tenure. Absolute revisionism.


True, Not a big enough call. If you think there was no call back then though, you are just misleading yourself. Many of us were sick of how Bush spent money. The biggest idiocy being the money spent in Iraq, I know they will never tell that to you though at TPM, Daily Kos, or Media Matters, so I guess it is a moot point.
 
2013-03-20 04:08:58 AM  

Corn_Fed: violentsalvation: Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?

That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.

That's exactly where you are wrong. I was listening to the only people who actually knew what they were talking about--the UN inspectors. Contrary to popular conception, they did know what was going on in Iraq. They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.

The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.


The evidence from the UN inspectors was inconclusive at best, because they weren't given enough time or resources to complete their work. I know that. War happened.
 
2013-03-20 04:10:04 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: muck4doo: Pea to nickle size hail stones. Starting to die down now a bit.

Why to hailstones always have to be the size of something else? Why can't they just be their own size and stick with it?


If I told you they were hailstone size that wouldn't tell you much, would it?
 
2013-03-20 04:10:23 AM  

muck4doo: Many of us


who?
 
2013-03-20 04:11:20 AM  

log_jammin: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

"actual conservatives"? what "actual conservatives" in congress were speaking out against the republicans spending spree? were they the ones handing out check of the floor of congress during the vote on medicare part d?


Definitely no conservatives you read about at Daily Kos or TPM.
 
2013-03-20 04:12:52 AM  

muck4doo: Corn_Fed: muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

Please. There was no widespread call among conservatives against Bush's spending during his tenure. Absolute revisionism.

True, Not a big enough call. If you think there was no call back then though, you are just misleading yourself. Many of us were sick of how Bush spent money. The biggest idiocy being the money spent in Iraq, I know they will never tell that to you though at TPM, Daily Kos, or Media Matters, so I guess it is a moot point.


At no time during this era did <b>muckfordoo</b> complain about these things on fark. This guy was way too busy defending Bush and the Republican way of life against us evil liberal Farkers to ever consider stooping to such things. I guess they all saved that criticism for Free Republic, cause none of them ever said it out loud back then.
 
2013-03-20 04:13:08 AM  

muck4doo: Danger Avoid Death: muck4doo: Pea to nickle size hail stones. Starting to die down now a bit.

Why to hailstones always have to be the size of something else? Why can't they just be their own size and stick with it?

If I told you they were hailstone size that wouldn't tell you much, would it?


It would tell me the hailstones were comfortable with who they are.
 
2013-03-20 04:14:36 AM  

muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

"actual conservatives"? what "actual conservatives" in congress were speaking out against the republicans spending spree? were they the ones handing out check of the floor of congress during the vote on medicare part d?

Definitely no conservatives you read about at Daily Kos or TPM.


I don't read about conservatives on Daily Kos or TPM. I read YOUR opinions.

Right here. I read what you write.

And that's enough to know you're not a very smart person, and you aren't doing your party any favors by speaking your mind.

So, tell me more about how you were against the Iraq War?
 
2013-03-20 04:14:58 AM  

log_jammin: muck4doo: Many of us

who?


Me for one. Believe it or not, that slut Shawn Hammity too(if you want a media reference). Of course you idiots were to busy listening to Olbermann at the time and Mother Sheehan.
 
2013-03-20 04:16:41 AM  
MUCK!!!
 
2013-03-20 04:17:45 AM  

sminkypinky: This is how the 1% operate - no moral compass and would have their minions fark up babies with gredades if it meant they got paid.


So they could buy even more gredade lunchers.
 
2013-03-20 04:17:54 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: muck4doo: Danger Avoid Death: muck4doo: Pea to nickle size hail stones. Starting to die down now a bit.

Why to hailstones always have to be the size of something else? Why can't they just be their own size and stick with it?

If I told you they were hailstone size that wouldn't tell you much, would it?

It would tell me the hailstones were comfortable with who they are.


They did look very comfortable with who they are. But they are melted now.
 
2013-03-20 04:19:04 AM  

Kittypie070: MUCK!!!


I know, I know. Okay.
 
2013-03-20 04:20:17 AM  
Shawn (sp) Hannity was a noted anti-war spokesman in the early 2000s, as every historical revisionist can tell you. They also cannot remember a time they supported a poor political position because they are well, not smart people after all, and possibly have a lot of brain damage which may explain their nonsense.
 
2013-03-20 04:20:44 AM  

muck4doo: Me for one.


well, that's nice, but who else?
 
2013-03-20 04:20:44 AM  
Well, I hadn't been able to bring myself to post in this thread yet because I was afraid to put down the popcorn. Now it seems it's died down enough so that the only thing I'm going to miss is muck4doo parroting TPM and DailyKos every post. It seems a little too late because anything of substance or even wit I would have had to say has already been covered.

So uh... 'murka.
 
2013-03-20 04:23:09 AM  

gsmphoto: It makes me weep to say this, but over in two.


Oh don't weep, child. There but for the grace of God...also a good rally cry for our fellow progressives.
 
2013-03-20 04:33:39 AM  
Heart goes out to this guy but I could never understand how someone who volunteers to go kill people without question could possibly pass the blame onto someone else. 'After 9/11' ..what, you got bloodlust? Sorry but in this day in age it's hard to have sympathy for people who biatch about their job when they choose to work there. It's a free country without a draft, you aren't a victim of anything but your own decision to trust the government to tell you who to murder.
 
2013-03-20 04:35:58 AM  
Yes but embellishment aside, we have no souls because Fark Libs have assured us that such things don't exist.
 
2013-03-20 04:36:03 AM  
That being said, isn't it funny how much Cheney looks and acts and pretty much IS this guy?

media.spokesman.com
 
2013-03-20 04:41:07 AM  

muck4doo: Corn_Fed: muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

Please. There was no widespread call among conservatives against Bush's spending during his tenure. Absolute revisionism.

True, Not a big enough call. If you think there was no call back then though, you are just misleading yourself. Many of us were sick of how Bush spent money. The biggest idiocy being the money spent in Iraq, I know they will never tell that to you though at TPM, Daily Kos, or Media Matters, so I guess it is a moot point.


Muck, you've been here since September of 2004. The Iraq War has been going on all throughout that time.  Could you please direct me to a thread or comment you made here on Fark during, say 2004 to 2008 which would indicate your strong opposition to the Iraq War?  You could help clear this up now.
 
2013-03-20 04:41:24 AM  
But Obama supports gay marriage, which is far worse than illegal war.

/what Christian Right actually believe
 
2013-03-20 04:42:21 AM  

itsanillusionmichael: That being said, isn't it funny how much Cheney looks and acts and pretty much IS this guy?

[media.spokesman.com image 397x286]


A lifetime of pure evil will etch itself onto your face.
 
2013-03-20 04:48:33 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.


Saw a news story on that. I was surprised at the self-reflection his painting shows. I suspect he is coming to terms with his actions and isn't the total shiat head of popular belief.

Cheney, however, is Satan's representative on Earth.
 
2013-03-20 04:50:34 AM  

Klom Dark: grxymkjbn: Like ANYONE cares.

This is the world in which we live:  Billionaire psychopaths send everyone but their kids into slavery or war - solely to increase their own wealth - and no one cares.

Yay!  {8/

it's not that nobody cares, everyone cares about it, but we can't figure out what to do about it. sure, there's always the second amendment solution, but there's got to be a more peaceful, more permanent way to solve it or we are no better than mindless animals.


It is that nobody cares. There is the Declaration of Independence solution (and read the list of injuries and usurpations carefully--for at least thirteen years, both the President and Congress, irrespective of political affiliation, have been guilty of several items on that 237 year old list. Sometimes I have to remind myself that this was written by a man who's been dead for two centuries, not someone writing an op-ed for the NY Times Sunday paper) : 

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. 
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. 
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: 
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. 
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. 
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
 
2013-03-20 04:51:47 AM  
I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?
 
2013-03-20 04:54:58 AM  

Suede head: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.

Saw a news story on that. I was surprised at the self-reflection his painting shows. I suspect he is coming to terms with his actions and isn't the total shiat head of popular belief.

Cheney, however, is Satan's representative on Earth.


Most reports suggest that he and Cheney essentially hate each other, and have no contact. Bush eventually realized he was being utterly manipulated by Cheney. In his 2nd term, he started pulling away, and Cheney grew to despise him.

I certainly don't excuse him, or pity him. He was an awful president, who made morally appalling choices, and the sticky blood of our troops in on his hands. But I do keep hoping that he will paint a more revealing nude of himself, because his body excites me with trembling, passionate electricity. Am I so wrong, when it feels so right?
 
2013-03-20 04:55:59 AM  

Confabulat: I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.


"You mean there's still an Iraq?"
 
2013-03-20 04:56:41 AM  

Corn_Fed: muck4doo: Corn_Fed: muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

Please. There was no widespread call among conservatives against Bush's spending during his tenure. Absolute revisionism.

True, Not a big enough call. If you think there was no call back then though, you are just misleading yourself. Many of us were sick of how Bush spent money. The biggest idiocy being the money spent in Iraq, I know they will never tell that to you though at TPM, Daily Kos, or Media Matters, so I guess it is a moot point.

Muck, you've been here since September of 2004. The Iraq War has been going on all throughout that time.  Could you please direct me to a thread or comment you made here on Fark during, say 2004 to 2008 which would indicate your strong opposition to the Iraq War?  You could help clear this up now.


I've had that position for years. If you want find something different, you go google it.
 
2013-03-20 04:57:05 AM  

Confabulat: I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?


I think they envisioned it as being the Texas midlands, but within a days ride to Jesusland. American flags, humvees, and Hank and Peggy Hill shopping at the Baghdad Mega-lo-mart and swinging by the K(urdistan)FC for a bucket of drumsticks on the way home.
 
2013-03-20 04:57:48 AM  

Corn_Fed: Jim_Callahan:
So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Um, yeah, just for review...

Those two members of the executive branch:

- dreamed it up
- planned the war
- promoted the war
- sold the war to everyone else


Let's not whitewash the fact that  it was ALL THEIR IDEA. They're completely responsible.


...as much as they have a lot of responsibility for it, they are not the only ones responsible.  This took decades of planning by hundreds of people...guys like Bremer, Ridge, Ashcroft, Rove, many people who are still in the public eye today that you'd never expect, or forgot were part of it.  It never began or ended with either Bush or Cheney.  Hell, if 9/11 hadn't happened, these wars would likely not have happened, although there likely would've been another triggering event they could use...and many of the same people behind Iraq are waiting for yet another trigger event as an excuse to attack Iran and/or North Korea.  And you know they'll get it eventually.
 
2013-03-20 05:00:48 AM  

Confabulat: I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?


They envisioned it as a staging area for Iran.
 
2013-03-20 05:01:01 AM  
*kitty angrily turns muck over her knee, administers a spanking*
 
2013-03-20 05:02:26 AM  

Kittypie070: *kitty angrily turns muck over her knee, administers a spanking*


I dunno what he was up to, but there's a ton of gray bars with his name on them in the thread.
 
2013-03-20 05:05:42 AM  

muck4doo: Corn_Fed: muck4doo: Corn_Fed: muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Conservatives complained about it back then.

complained? they were voting for it.  where have you been?

No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

Please. There was no widespread call among conservatives against Bush's spending during his tenure. Absolute revisionism.

True, Not a big enough call. If you think there was no call back then though, you are just misleading yourself. Many of us were sick of how Bush spent money. The biggest idiocy being the money spent in Iraq, I know they will never tell that to you though at TPM, Daily Kos, or Media Matters, so I guess it is a moot point.

Muck, you've been here since September of 2004. The Iraq War has been going on all throughout that time.  Could you please direct me to a thread or comment you made here on Fark during, say 2004 to 2008 which would indicate your strong opposition to the Iraq War?  You could help clear this up now.

I've had that position for years. If you want find something different, you go google it.


Hmmm. Well, color me skeptical.
 
2013-03-20 05:07:19 AM  

IlGreven: Corn_Fed: Jim_Callahan:
So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Um, yeah, just for review...

Those two members of the executive branch:

- dreamed it up
- planned the war
- promoted the war
- sold the war to everyone else


Let's not whitewash the fact that  it was ALL THEIR IDEA. They're completely responsible.

...as much as they have a lot of responsibility for it, they are not the only ones responsible.  This took decades of planning by hundreds of people...guys like Bremer, Ridge, Ashcroft, Rove, many people who are still in the public eye today that you'd never expect, or forgot were part of it.  It never began or ended with either Bush or Cheney.  Hell, if 9/11 hadn't happened, these wars would likely not have happened, although there likely would've been another triggering event they could use...and many of the same people behind Iraq are waiting for yet another trigger event as an excuse to attack Iran and/or North Korea.  And you know they'll get it eventually.


Oh, I didn't mean to absolve all the other complicit evil-doers.
 
2013-03-20 05:09:37 AM  
Nicely done, Soldier.
 
2013-03-20 05:11:23 AM  
Many here want to appeal to a non partisan nature. This is commendable. However, here is what a non-partisan view looks like: the Bush admin. lied to start a war. Done. If yo deny this fact, you are a shill.
 
2013-03-20 05:12:53 AM  
Every politician needs to be eradicated and replaced with someone who actually has ethics and morals.
 
2013-03-20 05:16:51 AM  
Gotta love the people that equally blame the democrats for Iraq. The audacity for of these people for believing the secretary of state and defense who and the intellegence agencies whoe fed them false information.I wish i could believe the republican would have taken a different stance if they had known the truth but recent history shows they are unswayed by facts.
 
2013-03-20 05:17:54 AM  

Kittypie070: *kitty angrily turns muck over her knee, administers a spanking*


I know you are right, but I can't resist. I've always hated this Iraq war, and now people are asking me to prove I didn't? I've caught hell left and right from people on both sides of the aisle on what I saw as a war on Islam over the years. It was bad when Bush was doing it, but now it is okay? Now we are supposed to cheer lead and praise the commander? The last one who did the same thing is a war criminal? Somehow killing muslims under Bush=more terrorists. Killing muslims under Obama-Yeah freedom! A bunch of IDIOTS R US FARK. Me included. I keep posting here. Muslim hate hasn't went away, it's just now under a different banner and new cheer leaders.
 
2013-03-20 05:19:48 AM  

Yogimus: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And will be for your own good.


Considering all the primary tenants of fascism have more in common with Obama's beliefs than Bush's beliefs I'd keep that in mind. It always makes me chuckle hard when people who believe in government control of as much of society as possible start calling other people fascists.

As to the article itself. I'm sorry he feels that way. I'm also sorry that he is sick and dying at such a young age. I would however like to point out that there are no shortage of soldiers who served just as bravely and just as honorably as he did who do not share his opinion. That he was a soldier or that he is sick and and dying does not make his opinion more valid than any other opinion from a different veteran. It's always interesting to me when people try to position individuals or small representative groups in some sort of unassailable position where they can say whatever they want and you're not allowed to be critical of them.

You may commence with the "How DARE you...!" reactions now. I got used to them when I was listening to Cindy Shehan and being told I couldn't criticize her either because of what happened to her son but strangely the 'son was a soldier who died in combat' protection clause never seemed to extend to any family who lost a son and disagreed with her completely. I also get the feeling that if we find a former soldier who disagrees with the author of this article he won't get the magical protection clause either.

Past that, it's nothing but reused anti-Bush admin liberal talking points and opinions intermixed with cherry picked negative statistics. It's not new, it's not exciting, and it's not any more relevant or valid simply because you found a legitimately brave individual who is suffering from a terrible disease to say them for you.

To put it more simply, if we found a former soldier who was dying now, and he repeated every conservative talking point and talked about how great things are now in Iraq how many of you would say "We've been wrong all this time, that Bush, he wasn't so bad. Maybe we should reconsider some of the things we've thought and said all these years."? Would you be shamed to silence? I assure you that the conservatives would do no better and would pull the same "how dare you" lines out on you, and they too would see it as "different" somehow when it's a soldier saying something they don't like.
 
2013-03-20 05:20:13 AM  

muck4doo: Kittypie070: *kitty angrily turns muck over her knee, administers a spanking*

I know you are right, but I can't resist. I've always hated this Iraq war, and now people are asking me to prove I didn't? I've caught hell left and right from people on both sides of the aisle on what I saw as a war on Islam over the years. It was bad when Bush was doing it, but now it is okay? Now we are supposed to cheer lead and praise the commander? The last one who did the same thing is a war criminal? Somehow killing muslims under Bush=more terrorists. Killing muslims under Obama-Yeah freedom! A bunch of IDIOTS R US FARK. Me included. I keep posting here. Muslim hate hasn't went away, it's just now under a different banner and new cheer leaders.


BSABSVR
 
2013-03-20 05:24:09 AM  

log_jammin: muck4doo: Kittypie070: *kitty angrily turns muck over her knee, administers a spanking*

I know you are right, but I can't resist. I've always hated this Iraq war, and now people are asking me to prove I didn't? I've caught hell left and right from people on both sides of the aisle on what I saw as a war on Islam over the years. It was bad when Bush was doing it, but now it is okay? Now we are supposed to cheer lead and praise the commander? The last one who did the same thing is a war criminal? Somehow killing muslims under Bush=more terrorists. Killing muslims under Obama-Yeah freedom! A bunch of IDIOTS R US FARK. Me included. I keep posting here. Muslim hate hasn't went away, it's just now under a different banner and new cheer leaders.

BSABSVR


You forgot your pompoms.
 
2013-03-20 05:27:48 AM  

randomjsa: Considering all the primary tenants of fascism have...


... one really evil landlord?
 
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