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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 880
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2013-03-20 02:20:31 AM  

Corn_Fed: The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.


I'm older and stay up late a lot. At the time Hans Blix said repeatedly that there was no evidence of Iraq having a WMD program of any consequence. Then, when we decided we wanted a war, everyone hounded Blix asking why he hadn't found any WMD yet. While it was true the Iraqi government hassled the inspectors and shuffled them around a lot, most people believed this was part of Iraq bluffing it's neighbors. Saving face if you will. Most people also suspected that everyone behind the scenes in the intelligence communities felt the same way. At any rate, the war on Iraq obviously wasn't about WMD or terrorism. It was about capturing natural resources and stabilizing international banking. On the other hand, Saddam was famous for having his torturers pull your eyes out and turning them around so you could yourself with your eyes pulled out of the sockets. He probably died a better and more dignified death than he was entitled to. Unfortunately, there were all those people caught in between.
 
2013-03-20 02:20:49 AM  

GORDON: I'm sorry, who was it that bore false witness?


Well, for all those late 90's quotes, I recall quite distinctly being told that those people were just trying to help Clinton 'wag the dog' to avoid being impeached as the consequence  a blowjob.

/of course I also recall the UN resolutions being followed then, as opposed to saying "fark that vote required by UNSCR 1441, we're going to go in with a collation of the willing"
 
2013-03-20 02:20:54 AM  

Corn_Fed: muck4doo:

Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.

Hey muck4doo, did you support the Iraq invasion in 2003? Yes or no?

Do you still think it was a great idea? Yes or no?


The first question is irrelevant when reality is seen through an ideological lens.

History ceases to exist.
 
2013-03-20 02:21:40 AM  

lolpix: brukmann:  Exactly. You're describing a normal POTUS vs. war criminals. There is no real comparison. Not that it's apples to oranges, that it's 1000:1 on the bullshiat scale. But thanks for insulting me by suggesting i'm a starry-eyed moron. Which, btw, i have found in exactly zero Obama supporters, as it is another right-wing fantasy.

If that's a normal President, we're an inherently evil nation. Most of the rest of what you just said is kind of garbled.


If people can't see the obvious differences between Bush and Obama, it doesn't matter if we're evil since we're going down anyway.
 
2013-03-20 02:21:44 AM  

Yogimus: Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.

Who is that again?  You must be projecting from the Bush years.  Have fun with that.

Obama fans denying reality.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 230x213]

^ I don't care which "side" you fall on... please never get this retarded.  This is like "I'm sorry my kid is acting up" retarded.


He's not my kid.  I hold no responsibility for what he posts.
 
2013-03-20 02:22:22 AM  

Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.


How? Very sane. You?
 
2013-03-20 02:22:55 AM  

muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Notice log_jammin doesn't take part in Obama's drone wars?

I got out of the military about 15 years ago. so what's your point?

Oh that's right. You can't speak about the actual topic because you know you're wrong so you have to keep trying to change the subject.

Otherwise you would be killing women and children with obama with glee. Got it.


No. And if you look at my posts from the past I think this whole war against Islam is a bad idea. Muslims are my brothers, and i hate this. Yes Bush was bad, but obama is killing pretty good out there too. I have caught hell here for being against Muslim bashing. Funny it was atrocious under one leader, but is now acceptable under another. Makes me sick.
 
2013-03-20 02:22:56 AM  

log_jammin: In what way was the guy who wrote the letter wrong?


I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.
 
2013-03-20 02:23:22 AM  

muck4doo: Confabulat: muck4doo: My point was to make you look like the the knee jerk emotional idiot that you are

Why can't you apologize to your fellow Americans for being so wrong?

Why can't your hero apologize to fellow Americans and citizens of the world for being so wrong? Oh, that's right. They're dead.


Who is my hero? Obama? What the hell does Obama have to do with the Iraq War? I think Obama is better than the other guys, but he's no hero. Weird.

You seem to have some sort of mental or emotional breakdown when it comes to discussing modern American history. Apparently you got it all wrong, and now you're unable to exactly process this disconnect in your brain, so you are getting upset about Obama?

Dude. Let it sink in.

History will always record your opinions on the Iraq War were stupid, ignorant, and wrong. Nothing will ever change that. Thousands died while you helplessly clung to your dimwitted beliefs.

Now you cannot own up to it so, uh, Obama's my hero?

You may need therapy, I'm afraid. This does not appear healthy.
 
2013-03-20 02:23:34 AM  

lolpix: Hans Blix


Breakin' my balls, Hans!
 
2013-03-20 02:23:57 AM  

kombi: Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.

How? Very sane. You?


I wasn't asking you if you were sane.. you're not the one to make that determination.
 
2013-03-20 02:24:48 AM  
muck, could you please let this poor man be and stop smoking those god damn gene-engineered tomato seeds?

to all the veterans:

I am sorry.

Can you forgive me for thinking it was right to send you out there?

I was wrong.
 
2013-03-20 02:24:55 AM  

sendtodave: log_jammin: In what way was the guy who wrote the letter wrong?

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.


ok?
 
2013-03-20 02:26:07 AM  

log_jammin: sendtodave: log_jammin: In what way was the guy who wrote the letter wrong?

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.

ok?


OK.

That's how he was wrong.
 
2013-03-20 02:26:41 AM  

muck4doo: I have caught hell here for being against Muslim bashing.


Ha! Yes. you're a brave soul to be against bigotry on a site like fark.
 
2013-03-20 02:27:43 AM  

AbiNormal: untaken_name: If you think the people responsible for war care about the people fighting war, you don't yet understand the true nature of war the American public.


Before we liberated the shiat out of Iraq, a poll was conducted and it showed that 60% of the American public was in favor of bringing democracy to Iraq.


cdn1.images.videobash.com
 
2013-03-20 02:28:12 AM  
Sounds like he was hating life not too long ago ...

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/20/entertainment/ca-body20
 
2013-03-20 02:28:17 AM  

Mentat: And Dick Cheney will never care.


And Dick Cheney will never care.
 
2013-03-20 02:28:17 AM  

sendtodave: That's how he was wrong.


he's wrong because you joined the army after 9/11? how so?
 
2013-03-20 02:28:26 AM  

Kittypie070: muck, could you please let this poor man be and stop smoking those god damn gene-engineered tomato seeds?

to all the veterans:

I am sorry.

Can you forgive me for thinking it was right to send you out there?

I was wrong.


For you, yes. I will shut up now.
 
2013-03-20 02:28:49 AM  
Who then You? Im not some conspiracy theories . Look it up. Happened 5-6 years ago. In the middle of the night. Was on the news live. They had to move them thru Canada so they could try to sneak them in. Something about if it went to US port they would have to file a bunch of environmental studies or something. I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.
 
2013-03-20 02:29:34 AM  
for alphax and ciberido
re the spider hole issue
here is one link to be considered as you deem appropriate
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9178.htm

elsewhere
memorable quotes

just references to the first cple

cheny  "i had better things to do"
rumsfeld "fungible"

and of course 44. "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

43. "The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." --Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

42. "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." --as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

41. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." --discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson in 2003, as quoted by Robertson

40. 3. "I think I was unprepared for war." -on the biggest regret of his presidency, ABC News interview, Dec. 1, 2008
 
2013-03-20 02:29:44 AM  
Aarrgh. Post deleted my comment before the image.

What I said was, It was a verbal poll and sometimes we hear what we wanna hear.
 
2013-03-20 02:30:44 AM  

sendtodave: The first question is irrelevant when reality is seen through an ideological lens.

History ceases to exist.


So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Not sure being dumb enough to sign up for an infantry tour after 2001 makes this guy's opinion any more insightful or neutral than anyone else's.  Not that I'm a fan of the last administration, but c'mon, why are we down to half-assed blogs today?  Are there not any actual news sources with retrospectives on the war we could be greening?
 
2013-03-20 02:31:23 AM  

lolpix: Corn_Fed: The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.

I'm older and stay up late a lot. At the time Hans Blix said repeatedly that there was no evidence of Iraq having a WMD program of any consequence. Then, when we decided we wanted a war, everyone hounded Blix asking why he hadn't found any WMD yet. While it was true the Iraqi government hassled the inspectors and shuffled them around a lot, most people believed this was part of Iraq bluffing it's neighbors. Saving face if you will. Most people also suspected that everyone behind the scenes in the intelligence communities felt the same way. At any rate, the war on Iraq obviously wasn't about WMD or terrorism. It was about capturing natural resources and stabilizing international banking. On the other hand, Saddam was famous for having his torturers pull your eyes out and turning them around so you could yourself with your eyes pulled out of the sockets. He probably died a better and more dignified death than he was entitled to. Unfortunately, there were all those people caught in between.




Remember when Sadam complained about Kuwait slant drilling so the the borders were re-drawn?
 
2013-03-20 02:31:47 AM  

sendtodave: Abacus9: El_Swino: Meh.  Liberal plant.  Not a real American.

Even a lot of conservatives have come to hate Bush and Cheney. But the fact that this guy served his country, got horribly injured and will end up dying because of it means he's not a real American? It's morons like you that make Fark entertaining, whether you're trolling or serious. Either way, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.

Whether you take obvious sarcasm at face value, or think it's just trolling, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.


You never know on Fark, people have some pretty wild opinions. And I don't have a party affiliation. But I wasn't really talking to you anyway, jackass.
 
2013-03-20 02:33:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Are there not any actual news sources with retrospectives on the war we could be greening?


Dunno.. I wouldn't exactly expect quality out of them.
 
2013-03-20 02:34:16 AM  

log_jammin: sendtodave: That's how he was wrong.

he's wrong because you joined the army after 9/11? how so?


Oh, I see.  My mistake.

FTFA: I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens.

/it was a quote
//he was wrong in thinking that, as a soldier, he could support one war and not another
 
2013-03-20 02:35:05 AM  

Alphax: kombi: Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.

How? Very sane. You?

I wasn't asking you if you were sane.. you're not the one to make that determination.


Who then You? Im not some conspiracy theories . Look it up. Happened 5-6 years ago. In the middle of the night. Was on the news live. They had to move them thru Canada so they could try to sneak them in. Something about if it went to US port they would have to file a bunch of environmental studies or something. I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.
 
2013-03-20 02:35:59 AM  

Jim_Callahan: why are we down to half-assed blogs today?


We have glimpsed the future of news, and it is random blogs.
 
2013-03-20 02:36:14 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Um, yeah, just for review...

Those two members of the executive branch:

- dreamed it up
- planned the war
- promoted the war
- sold the war to everyone else



Let's not whitewash the fact that  it was ALL THEIR IDEA. They're completely responsible.
 
2013-03-20 02:37:03 AM  

Abacus9: jackass


:D
 
2013-03-20 02:37:18 AM  
Any service members verify him through AKO?
 
2013-03-20 02:37:35 AM  

kombi: Alphax: kombi: Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.

How? Very sane. You?

I wasn't asking you if you were sane.. you're not the one to make that determination.

Who then You? Im not some conspiracy theories . Look it up. Happened 5-6 years ago. In the middle of the night. Was on the news live. They had to move them thru Canada so they could try to sneak them in. Something about if it went to US port they would have to file a bunch of environmental studies or something. I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.


Citation, please.
 
2013-03-20 02:37:49 AM  
StoPPeRmobile:  Remember when Sadam complained about Kuwait slant drilling so the the borders were re-drawn?

I don't remember it happening that way. I remember Iraq rolling a bunch of tanks into Kuwait and claiming a big chunk of Kuwait. Then a bunch of my friends had to go play army. I suppose we all  would have enlisted if the fight had lasted more than a week. But I guess that says something about soldiering. They tend to recruit the young. Young people often aren't as politically aware or nuanced as they'll grow up to be.
 
2013-03-20 02:38:41 AM  

Corn_Fed: Jim_Callahan:
So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Um, yeah, just for review...

Those two members of the executive branch:

- dreamed it up
- planned the war
- promoted the war
- sold the war to everyone else


Let's not whitewash the fact that  it was ALL THEIR IDEA. They're completely responsible.


Bush didn't dream up going to Iraq.  His "thinkers" did.

Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams    Richard L. Armitage    William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner    John Bolton    Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama    Robert Kagan    Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol    Richard Perle    Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld    William Schneider, Jr.    Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz    R. James Woolsey    Robert B. Zoellick
 
2013-03-20 02:40:05 AM  
kombi:  I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.

static01.mediaite.com
 
2013-03-20 02:40:22 AM  

sendtodave: /it was a quote


That makes much more sense.

sendtodave: //he was wrong in thinking that, as a soldier, he could support one war and not another


2 days after 9/11 Iraq wasn't being talked about (minus a pundit or two). at that time it was completely realistic to think we would go into Afghanistan and not a completely unrelated country. second, he can "support" one war and not another. He still has to(and did) fulfill his obligations, but he can choose to support one, both or none.
 
2013-03-20 02:41:12 AM  

sendtodave: Jim_Callahan: why are we down to half-assed blogs today?

We have glimpsed the future of news, and it is random blogs.




The American Dark Ages are on their way.
 
2013-03-20 02:42:08 AM  

sendtodave: Corn_Fed: Jim_Callahan:
So, um, sorta like blaming two members of the executive branch for a war pretty much universally approved by congress and encouraged by several of our international allies for reasons confirmed by our own intelligence guys?

Um, yeah, just for review...

Those two members of the executive branch:

- dreamed it up
- planned the war
- promoted the war
- sold the war to everyone else


Let's not whitewash the fact that  it was ALL THEIR IDEA. They're completely responsible.

Bush didn't dream up going to Iraq.  His "thinkers" did.

Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams    Richard L. Armitage    William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner    John Bolton    Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama    Robert Kagan    Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol    Richard Perle    Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld    William Schneider, Jr.    Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz    R. James Woolsey    Robert B. Zoellick


Wolfowitz was gunning for Iraq as early as 1998. http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqsep1898.htm
 
2013-03-20 02:42:34 AM  

Corn_Fed: kombi: Alphax: kombi: Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.

How? Very sane. You?

I wasn't asking you if you were sane.. you're not the one to make that determination.

Who then You? Im not some conspiracy theories . Look it up. Happened 5-6 years ago. In the middle of the night. Was on the news live. They had to move them thru Canada so they could try to sneak them in. Something about if it went to US port they would have to file a bunch of environmental studies or something. I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.

Citation, please.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiL gN bw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM
http://www.bloggernews.net/116579  Will try to find better link
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-07/us/iraq.uranium_1_yellowcake-uran iu m-cameco?_s=PM:US

Ok was 2008 and I got part of the story wrong. They processed it and shipped it to US
 
2013-03-20 02:43:18 AM  
I'm not sure why a military response was felt to be appropriate after 9/11.. though it's what bin Laden wanted to happen.  Even during 9/11, it seemed like the work of a James Bond villain.  So, send in the superspies, right?
 
2013-03-20 02:44:04 AM  

Fart_Machine: kombi:  I actually dont think you can really have a conspiracy any more due to the internet.

[static01.mediaite.com image 340x219]


When I say that I mean things get out. Computers hacks that kind of thing. Idiots cant keep there mouths shut.
 
2013-03-20 02:44:45 AM  

Alphax: I'm not sure why a military response was felt to be appropriate after 9/11.. though it's what bin Laden wanted to happen.  Even during 9/11, it seemed like the work of a James Bond villain.  So, send in the superspies, right?


Reichstag fire.
 
2013-03-20 02:44:56 AM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 02:46:14 AM  

kombi: Ok was 2008 and I got part of the story wrong. They processed it and shipped it to US


Um, that was already accounted for.
 
2013-03-20 02:48:10 AM  

Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 640x360]


Says the guy with a Gundam in a Ghille suit.
 
2013-03-20 02:48:38 AM  

Alphax: I'm not sure why a military response was felt to be appropriate after 9/11.. though it's what bin Laden wanted to happen.  Even during 9/11, it seemed like the work of a James Bond villain.  So, send in the superspies, right?


No. Send in the Bond Girls. Nothing drives religious nutjobs of any and every creed more bonkers than boobies.
 
2013-03-20 02:49:11 AM  

lolpix: Wolfowitz was gunning for Iraq as early as 1998. http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqsep1898.htm


Yeah, those were the signatories of the PNAC "Mr. Clinton, let's go party in the desert" letter in 98.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
 
2013-03-20 02:50:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
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