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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 881
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2013-03-20 01:58:27 AM  
Saddam's fault.  No one else's.
 
2013-03-20 01:59:24 AM  

ciberido: Alphax: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Wasn't that the 'spider hole' that Saddam was put in after his capture, then pulled out of, to make him seem more cowardly?

Would you mind giving a citation for that?


I don't have one handy, just something I remembered hearing shortly after his capture.  But as someone else noted, he had a taxi with him.. which means a really, really big hole, or not a hole.
 
2013-03-20 01:59:54 AM  

muck4doo: super_grass: Yogimus: neaorin: muck4doo: Drone strikes are awesome.

No, they aren't. They are creating more enemies than they are removing.

And then killing them.

What happened to the whole "interfering with the Muslim world will create more terrorists than we kill" thing around the Iraq war days?

/ In b4 'nobody said that'

We get it. He's black.


HALF black.
 
2013-03-20 02:00:13 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: Saddam's fault.  No one else's.


He did what?
 
2013-03-20 02:00:38 AM  
Oh and this BS with if you supported the war. Your an idiot, Stupid, Dont think for your self. on and on and on. And if you where opposed to the war you are smart and forward thinking. Thats whats destroying this country. You could talk disagree and move on. Now if you disagree well you live in flyover country anyway so you dont matter. or well your a gun owner so you automatically are dumb and your opinion does not matter. Only the coast matter. We will tell you whats best. Cant we all just get along?
 
2013-03-20 02:01:37 AM  
All you people pissing in the wind about Iraq, and no one gives a flying fark about all the other wars going on right now.  You guys are swell.
 
2013-03-20 02:02:07 AM  

muck4doo: super_grass: Yogimus: neaorin: muck4doo: Drone strikes are awesome.

No, they aren't. They are creating more enemies than they are removing.

And then killing them.

What happened to the whole "interfering with the Muslim world will create more terrorists than we kill" thing around the Iraq war days?

/ In b4 'nobody said that'

We get it. He's black.


I don't agree with everything Obama said, but he's far from a nobody.
 
2013-03-20 02:02:28 AM  

Alphax: STRYPERSWINE: Saddam's fault.  No one else's.

He did what?


Several really dumb decisions.
 
2013-03-20 02:02:36 AM  
Back in 2000, there was a lot of "Oh, Bush and Gore are the same thing."

If Gore had actually taken office in 2000, there would never have been an Iraq War.

Morons can try to equivalize the partisan responsibility of the Iraq War, but the truth is that there is no question...the Iraq War was a Republican concoction. It came from their dream lab.
 
2013-03-20 02:02:38 AM  

lolpix: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

Those two got a complete pass. Criticism is not prosecution. Obama is going to get a pass too. There is something about the collective American psyche that would rather see our homegrown war criminals go free than admit to ourselves that Americans are capable of committing war crimes.




Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great are their heroes and you know what they were. It's insanity.

Letter guy, thank you for your service.

/vet
 
2013-03-20 02:03:01 AM  

muck4doo: Fart_Machine: log_jammin: I can never tell if muck4doo is drunk or retarded.

Yes.

Almost as fun as being a democrat


I wouldn't know.
 
2013-03-20 02:03:17 AM  

Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?


That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.
 
2013-03-20 02:04:00 AM  

muck4doo: Sorry, didn't realize i spent years on fark arguing for it. But forget all that, time to wipe out people  with differing views! It's the Confabulat way.


I have exactly three Farkers color coded in some sort of "favorited" way. One is an old friend, another doesn't post here anymore, and there's you who I have labeled in red as "right-wing war cultist."

Are you revising your own history now to better fit the present? Sounds typical of losers. There weren't a lot of Nazis in Germany after the Allies won either. And the Commies got awful quiet after the Soviet Union dissolved.

You'd think people would own up to their own opinions, but I guess no one likes knowing they are an idiot.
 
2013-03-20 02:04:05 AM  

Yogimus: Alphax: STRYPERSWINE: Saddam's fault.  No one else's.

He did what?

Several really dumb decisions.


Not an answer.
 
2013-03-20 02:04:26 AM  

muck4doo: Yogimus: neaorin: muck4doo: Drone strikes are awesome.

No, they aren't. They are creating more enemies than they are removing.

And then killing them.

Awesome


so killing terrorists is like trying to kill Samael the "Hound of Resurrection". maybe not such a great idea,
 
2013-03-20 02:05:32 AM  

Alphax: STRYPERSWINE: Saddam's fault.  No one else's.

He did what?


He tried to kill Bush's daddy or something.
 
2013-03-20 02:05:49 AM  
Then he held the mic out away from his body, dropped it on the stage... and walked off.


Somebody had to say it.
 
2013-03-20 02:06:34 AM  

violentsalvation: That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war.


Nah, I don't think that was true at the time. Yeah, I GREW to hate Bush & Cheney but that was their doing, not mine. I wasn't out opposing Afghanistan; I think most Americans were dying to find Bin Laden after 9/11. But a lot of us got pretty upset how they mined that sentiment for their own private war, and let gullible Americans who needed SOMETHING after that terrible day to lead the charge.

I never knew I was a liberal until I was out standing in the rain. Mostly I always just thought I mocked everyone up until that time.
 
2013-03-20 02:06:39 AM  

kombi: Oh and this BS with if you supported the war. Your an idiot, Stupid, Dont think for your self. on and on and on. And if you where opposed to the war you are smart and forward thinking. Thats whats destroying this country. You could talk disagree and move on. Now if you disagree well you live in flyover country anyway so you dont matter. or well your a gun owner so you automatically are dumb and your opinion does not matter. Only the coast matter. We will tell you whats best. Cant we all just get along?


Yeah, sorry, you people created that escalation of rhetoric.

America: Love it or leave it!

America! If you are against the iraq war you are a traitor(heard millions of times, by millions of people)

America! If you don't drive giant 12 cylinder SUVs you are some GREEN commie trying to destroy America

Anyone that disagrees with GOP, fundamentalist, militarist goals is a stupid lazy hippy traitor.

It's like you are just now realizing what it feels like to be discriminated against and marginalized. Wake up guy, now you know what it feels like being on the other side of people like you.
 
2013-03-20 02:06:47 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great are their heroes and you know what they were.


Leaders who actually fought in the front lines of the wars they started?
 
2013-03-20 02:06:59 AM  
brukmann:  Exactly. You're describing a normal POTUS vs. war criminals. There is no real comparison. Not that it's apples to oranges, that it's 1000:1 on the bullshiat scale. But thanks for insulting me by suggesting i'm a starry-eyed moron. Which, btw, i have found in exactly zero Obama supporters, as it is another right-wing fantasy.

If that's a normal President, we're an inherently evil nation. Most of the rest of what you just said is kind of garbled.
 
2013-03-20 02:07:42 AM  

violentsalvation: Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?

That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.


That's exactly where you are wrong. I was listening to the only people who actually knew what they were talking about--the UN inspectors. Contrary to popular conception, they did know what was going on in Iraq. They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.

The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.
 
2013-03-20 02:11:14 AM  

Corn_Fed: They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.


The intelligence was being massaged to fit the Bush narrative.  Our intelligence came mainly from Chalabi-connected defectors like Curveball who was a known liar.  Even the Germans who picked him up thought his intel was bullshait.
 
2013-03-20 02:11:44 AM  

Corn_Fed: hat's exactly where you are wrong. I was listening to the only people who actually knew what they were talking about--the UN inspectors. Contrary to popular conception, they did know what was going on in Iraq. They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.


Agreed. They were 100% right in hindsight.  Yet we went to war so they could finish their jobs.
 
2013-03-20 02:12:02 AM  

Corn_Fed: That's exactly where you are wrong. I was listening to the only people who actually knew what they were talking about--the UN inspectors. Contrary to popular conception, they did know what was going on in Iraq. They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.

The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.


I exactly remember when Bush, et al., refused to let the UN inspectors continue even though they had found nothing. The inspectors pleaded for just a few more weeks, but Bush said "IMMINENT THREAT WE DON'T HAVE SIX WEEKS" and the right-wing echo chamber shouted them down as new world order commie left-wing one-government useless bureaucrats.

Of course, history has proven they were 100% correct, and the Bush administration was 100% wrong.

Find one Republican who will apologize for being wrong. Go on.
 
2013-03-20 02:12:06 AM  
Notice log_jammin doesn't take part in Obama's drone wars?
 
2013-03-20 02:12:17 AM  

muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: What is the point of yours?

A dying veteran wrote a letter to the two men most responsible for the war that caused him to become paralyzed and injured and killed thousands of other. why did you even need to ask?

now your turn. so what is the point of the thread in your opinion?

Well if he was dying that makes him right. Let's pour a 40 out in his memory.

/My point was to make you look like the the knee jerk emotional idiot that you are
//Thanks for proving me right
///Pours 40 out for log_jammin


Oh you're just here to be a dick.  Mission Accomplished.
 
2013-03-20 02:13:01 AM  

untaken_name: If you think the people responsible for war care about the people fighting war, you don't yet understand the true nature of war the American public.



Before we liberated the shiat out of Iraq, a poll was conducted and it showed that 60% of the American public was in favor of bringing democracy to Iraq.
 
2013-03-20 02:13:09 AM  

Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?




Was young and part of the war-machine.
 
2013-03-20 02:13:24 AM  
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2013-03-20 02:13:35 AM  
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2013-03-20 02:13:57 AM  

Rug Doctor: he would have told the Republicans (and half the Democrats) to shut the fark up and used his entire first term dragging this thing into daylight, no matter where it led.


Politics dies in the daylight.
 
2013-03-20 02:14:15 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: StoPPeRmobile: Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great are their heroes and you know what they were.

Leaders who actually fought in the front lines of the wars they started?


lol.

Oh Poe, I love you so.
 
2013-03-20 02:14:59 AM  

muck4doo: Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.


Who is that again?  You must be projecting from the Bush years.  Have fun with that.
 
2013-03-20 02:15:01 AM  

El_Swino: Meh.  Liberal plant.  Not a real American.


Even a lot of conservatives have come to hate Bush and Cheney. But the fact that this guy served his country, got horribly injured and will end up dying because of it means he's not a real American? It's morons like you that make Fark entertaining, whether you're trolling or serious. Either way, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.
 
2013-03-20 02:15:13 AM  

Confabulat: muck4doo: My point was to make you look like the the knee jerk emotional idiot that you are

Why can't you apologize to your fellow Americans for being so wrong?


Why can't your hero apologize to fellow Americans and citizens of the world for being so wrong? Oh, that's right. They're dead.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:05 AM  

Corn_Fed: violentsalvation: Confabulat: Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?

That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.

That's exactly where you are wrong. I was listening to the only people who actually knew what they were talking about--the UN inspectors. Contrary to popular conception, they did know what was going on in Iraq. They had the records, they had the evidence, but the intelligence agencies were generally too paranoid to listen to reason.

The evidence pointed strongly to there being no WMD's or any reason to fear Iraq. But intelligence agencies are just as prone to ideological extremism as any other. And they were being ruled by the tinfoil hatters.


SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him
 
2013-03-20 02:16:10 AM  
All of this ongoing horror because some Florida dumbasses couldn't fill out a ballot form properly.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:11 AM  

muck4doo: Notice log_jammin doesn't take part in Obama's drone wars?


I got out of the military about 15 years ago. so what's your point?

Oh that's right. You can't speak about the actual topic because you know you're wrong so you have to keep trying to change the subject.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:55 AM  

Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.

Who is that again?  You must be projecting from the Bush years.  Have fun with that.


Obama fans denying reality.
 
2013-03-20 02:17:31 AM  

Omahawg: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 360x522]


Ya that was dumb.
 
2013-03-20 02:17:44 AM  

Abacus9: El_Swino: Meh.  Liberal plant.  Not a real American.

Even a lot of conservatives have come to hate Bush and Cheney. But the fact that this guy served his country, got horribly injured and will end up dying because of it means he's not a real American? It's morons like you that make Fark entertaining, whether you're trolling or serious. Either way, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.


Whether you take obvious sarcasm at face value, or think it's just trolling, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.
 
2013-03-20 02:18:17 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: May his passing be quick and with dignity. And that he live his last days with peace of mind.


Sorry, but I'm sure the Freepers are already hounding this guy even as we speak.
 
2013-03-20 02:18:19 AM  

muck4doo: Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.

Who is that again?  You must be projecting from the Bush years.  Have fun with that.

Obama fans denying reality.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-20 02:18:21 AM  
 
2013-03-20 02:18:44 AM  
muck4doo:

Your president you worship is just there to kill people. Mission accomplished.

Hey muck4doo, did you support the Iraq invasion in 2003? Yes or no?

Do you still think it was a great idea? Yes or no?
 
2013-03-20 02:19:00 AM  

SilentStrider: Damn.


You know.. just this.

I could say more but just this
 
2013-03-20 02:19:09 AM  

kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him


Not sure if sane.
 
2013-03-20 02:19:28 AM  

sex0r: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Too late.  It came in the form of "hope and change."


If ignorance was cornflakes, you'd be General Mills.
 
2013-03-20 02:20:16 AM  

untaken_name: bhcompy: Let's not get carried away.  Both parties practice corporate fascism pretty openly

This
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Bears repeating.


So....................vote republican because they're much better at it?
 
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