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(TruthDig)   The Last Letter: A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran   (truthdig.com) divider line 881
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2013-03-20 01:10:58 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.


Too bad he didn't do that from 2001 to 2009.
 
2013-03-20 01:11:08 AM
The true irony, and legacy, of the Iraq War is that if it had never happened, and Saddam were still there, the geo-political dynamic would be completely the same.

Because he was a powerless paper tiger.

If he was still there, the world situation would be no different, but 4,000 Americans would still be alive, along with 300,000 innocent Iraqis.

It was a totally useless war from start to finish.
 
2013-03-20 01:11:11 AM
 
2013-03-20 01:11:49 AM
Too many big words.  Bush won't understand it.
 
2013-03-20 01:12:21 AM

phoenix352: So, is Iraq better or worse off after all of this?


Much, much worse.
 
2013-03-20 01:12:56 AM
Yep, over in two.  Dick Cheney would print that shiat out and mount it above the bar in his vacation home to laugh at with his war profiteering buddies while they drink some absurdly expensive booze.

/and here's to you, Mr. Ass-kickin'-letter-writing-guy
//Mr. Ass-kickin'-letter-wri-iting-GUYYY!!!!
 
2013-03-20 01:13:10 AM

Corn_Fed: The true irony, and legacy, of the Iraq War is that if it had never happened, and Saddam were still there, the geo-political dynamic would be completely the same.

Because he was a powerless paper tiger.

If he was still there, the world situation would be no different, but 4,000 Americans would still be alive, along with 300,000 innocent Iraqis.

It was a totally useless war from start to finish.


Not true. It made Jeremy Renner a star.
 
2013-03-20 01:13:11 AM
You are all going to watch a war with Iran unfold in slow motion, just like this one did.

Might take twenty years, but it will happen.
 
2013-03-20 01:13:23 AM
Don't ask us, we're too busy drone striking the crap out of americans.

-Demobrats
 
2013-03-20 01:13:42 AM

untaken_name: If you think the people responsible for war care about the people fighting war, you don't yet understand the true nature of war.


THIS. Sadly, it will fall on deaf ears--as it has over the last 4000 years.
 
2013-03-20 01:13:47 AM
There is a bigger picture that he is describing...yet most of this world just doesn't get it.

I wish I could give you an in person hug, sir.  <3

/HUGS HUGS HUGS!!
 
2013-03-20 01:13:57 AM
He had me up until he said: "I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. "

So, he was making a major life decision based on a knee-jerk reaction to which he had no real information on other than the flurry of media info at the time. Then he got sent off to the admittedly wrong war, and now wants to biatch about it?

Here's an idea. Maybe wait more than 48 hours after a national tragedy so that you can get your emotions in check before deciding to sign your life away to the military to avenge something you really have no clue about at the time.
 
2013-03-20 01:14:08 AM

Asplenium: Coelacanth: flamingboard: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.

I'll be satisfied when I can piss on his grave.


Get in line.
I'd like to get in a bunch of George Bush heads ala Game of Thrones and stick them on pikes all along the main road heading into town.

Already been done


That's the joke.
 
2013-03-20 01:14:41 AM

muck4doo: Don't ask us, we're too busy drone striking the crap out of americans.

-Demobrats


Drones are the New Black Helicopters.
 
2013-03-20 01:15:35 AM

sendtodave: Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You chose to be part of a war machine?

Yours is not to reason why, yours is but to do and die.


'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
 
2013-03-20 01:16:25 AM

Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Don't ask us, we're too busy drone striking the crap out of americans.

-Demobrats

Drones are the New Black Helicopters.


You have seconds to realize that
 
2013-03-20 01:16:26 AM

Mentat: And Dick Cheney will never care.


I dont think Barry cares that his Golf game costs 5750 easter egg hunts.  But what is important is to cancel the egg hunt to show you mean business about saving money.
 
2013-03-20 01:17:26 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Corn_Fed: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.

You don't know your history. We already know what happened to Saddam's 1980's stocks of WMD's. Sadddam's brother-in-law, Hussain Kamel was in charge of them. 1996, as the UN inspectors were closing in, he was ordered to take all the stockpiles into the desert and blow them up. He did.

Later, when the UN inspectors found this out, and investigated, they found the pits with the blown-up ordance and chemicals. But because there is no way to totally count weapons after they've been destroyed, the inspectors couldn't be sure if this represented ALL the old weapons.

But the Duelfor Report, ordered by Bush after the invasion, makes it clear: Saddam  had no WMD's left by 2003.

I know my history just fine.  Kamel was in charge of WMD's and we're to take his word that he blew them all up?  I think not.  This is a country that doesn't exactly keep a spreadsheet of their bombs.  Nevermind that Kamel said they had Nuclear weapons, which there's no proof of them having.  Look, still, at Baghdad Bob, and his ridiculous statements about the infidels "committing suicide at the gates of Baghdad by the thousands," and I have a hard time believing anyone associated with Saddam Hussein says.

Like I said, I believe that there are probably still some chemical weapons in Iraq.  I don't care what ...



Even if there were some straggler WMD's circa 2003, they would all be waaaaay past their shelf life. None of Iraq's WMD's were stable, or of high quality. After about 18 months, they were degraded to an essentially unweaponized state. We know that.  We also KNEW that he didn't have any large weapons manufacturing facilities. The UN inspectors had already established that completely. Further, during the cat-and-mouse chases in the late 90's, the inspectors weren't looking for stockpiles or factories--they were only looking for blueprints. Because they already knew that factories and stockpiles didn't exist and/or were irrelevant.

The fact is, even if there were some stragglers which escaped detection, they certainly were no valid reason to invade/occupy an entire country. It was always complete bullshiat.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:01 AM
In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:02 AM

you are a puppet: Corn_Fed: The true irony, and legacy, of the Iraq War is that if it had never happened, and Saddam were still there, the geo-political dynamic would be completely the same.

Because he was a powerless paper tiger.

If he was still there, the world situation would be no different, but 4,000 Americans would still be alive, along with 300,000 innocent Iraqis.

It was a totally useless war from start to finish.

Not true. It made Jeremy Renner a star.


I stand corrected.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:28 AM

Thunderpipes: Traitors are heroes?


You are absolutely right.  Bush and Cheney are certainly not heroes.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:29 AM

muck4doo: Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Don't ask us, we're too busy drone striking the crap out of americans.

-Demobrats

Drones are the New Black Helicopters.

You have seconds to realize that


I'll watch the skies.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:53 AM

untaken_name: Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?

You mean in the case of the Iraq "war"?


Or the War on Drugs.
 
2013-03-20 01:19:36 AM
www.quitor.com
 
2013-03-20 01:19:51 AM

Fart_Machine: muck4doo: Don't ask us, we're too busy drone striking the crap out of americans.

-Demobrats

Drones are the New Black Helicopters.


It's the standard Republican response, any atrocity committed can be waived away by saying the other guys do bad stuff too.
 
2013-03-20 01:20:15 AM

Generation_D: I knew better than to enlist at age 18. A lot younger. And now I, a functioning sane and un-f--ked up adult, only have to look on at all the glitter-tear ooh-rah bullsh*t that the military puts out to know I was right and all the people that fell for it were wrong.


It's fantastic when people turn an "I don't want to" decision into an "I was too smart for that" decision years after the fact.
 
2013-03-20 01:20:23 AM

neongoats: You act like the general populace has power and a voice. Sorry, THAT is the most laughable thought in the thread so far.


If they don't, why bother getting angry?  Might as well yell at clouds.

No, I still go with the social contract theory.  Governemnt are legitimate as long as the people believe that they are.

And as long as the people say (directly or indirectly) that the government is legitimate, they get the government that they deserve.
 
2013-03-20 01:21:14 AM

Marubozo: He had me up until he said: "I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. "

So, he was making a major life decision based on a knee-jerk reaction to which he had no real information on other than the flurry of media info at the time. Then he got sent off to the admittedly wrong war, and now wants to biatch about it?

Here's an idea. Maybe wait more than 48 hours after a national tragedy so that you can get your emotions in check before deciding to sign your life away to the military to avenge something you really have no clue about at the time.


I'd give the guy a break on that one.  Young and naive, much like many of our grandfathers that signed up after Pearl Harbor.  At least he is capable of reflecting and changing his worldview based on what he's experienced since then, which is better than almost half the people in this country.
 
2013-03-20 01:22:08 AM

you are a puppet: Well Obama hasn't ended the war yet so Vote Republican!


i208.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 01:22:23 AM
It feels stupid to even argue about it. The war was destructive, painful, and ultimately fruitless. We destabilized the entire region for nothing and I doubt the Iraqi people are any better off, the dead ones certainly aren't. I feel like an idiot for ever supporting it. Now we have a lot of sick veterans to take care of and bills to pay. I learned something from it, I lost friends to it, and I'll be witness to the consequences of that war until the day I die. I hope this dying soldier finds the peace he deserves.
 
2013-03-20 01:22:30 AM

Corn_Fed: But there IS a difference between hatching a plan, and being duped by the hatched plan.

This was a  Republcan, partisan war.


Supporting a war is supporting a war.  Even if you were led to support it.

I feel no sympathy. I repeat, I feel no sympathy! The German people chose their fate. That may surprise some people. Don't fool yourself. We didn't force the German people. They gave us a mandate, and now their little throats are being cut!
 
2013-03-20 01:22:48 AM
Okay. This is stupid. Bush declared war on an undeserving country and leader. Obama does drone strikes on enemies of America. Idiots will never see the difference.
 
2013-03-20 01:23:17 AM

Alphax: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Wasn't that the 'spider hole' that Saddam was put in after his capture, then pulled out of, to make him seem more cowardly?


No.  According to every legitimate source around, Hussein was inside the spider hole when found.
 
2013-03-20 01:23:17 AM

Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.


And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.
 
2013-03-20 01:23:36 AM

Corn_Fed: The true irony, and legacy, of the Iraq War is that if it had never happened, and Saddam were still there, the geo-political dynamic would be completely the same.


It might not. Saddam was working to create a new oil bourse that moved oil trading off the U.S. dollar. This could have possibly destabilized American currency at a time when the dollar was very strong but stocks were highly over valued when compared to liquid  assets. Iran has been trying to do the same since around 2004 or 2005, which is the principle reason we're so antagonistic to them. Iran's nuclear program, much like Iraq's earlier chemical weapon and rocket program, aren't considered realistic threats by most public reporting intelligence agencies. Moving oil off the dollar, on the other hand, would be a big problem for us.
 
2013-03-20 01:24:19 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: sendtodave: Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You chose to be part of a war machine?

Yours is not to reason why, yours is but to do and die.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.


The Last of the Light Brigade
~Rudyard Kipling

There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.

They felt that life was fleeting; they knew not that art was long,
That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four!

They laid their heads together that were scarred and lined and grey;
Keen were the Russian sabres, but want was keener than they;
And an old Troop-Sergeant muttered, "Let us go to the man who writes
The things on Balaclava the kiddies at school recites."

They went without bands or colours, a regiment ten-file strong,
To look for the Master-singer who had crowned them all in his song;
And, waiting his servant's order, by the garden gate they stayed,
A desolate little cluster, the last of the Light Brigade.

They strove to stand to attention, to straighten the toil-bowed back;
They drilled on an empty stomach, the loose-knit files fell slack;
With stooping of weary shoulders, in garments tattered and frayed,
They shambled into his presence, the last of the Light Brigade.

The old Troop-Sergeant was spokesman, and "Beggin' your pardon," he said,
"You wrote o' the Light Brigade, sir. Here's all that isn't dead.
An' it's all come true what you wrote, sir, regardin' the mouth of hell;
For we're all of us nigh to the workhouse, an' we thought we'd call an' tell."

No, thank you, we don't want food, sir; but couldn't you take an' write
A sort of 'to be continued' and 'see next page' o' the fight?
We think that someone has blundered, an' couldn't you tell 'em how?
You wrote we were heroes once, sir. Please, write we are starving now."

The poor little army departed, limping and lean and forlorn.
And the heart of the Master-singer grew hot with "the scorn of scorn."
And he wrote for them wonderful verses that swept the land like flame,
Till the fatted souls of the English were scourged with the thing called Shame.

They sent a cheque to the felon that sprang from an Irish bog;
They healed the spavined cab-horse; they housed the homeless dog;
And they sent (you may call me a liar), when felon and beast were paid,
A cheque, for enough to live on, to the last of the Light Brigade.

O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - "
And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!
 
2013-03-20 01:25:17 AM

muck4doo: Okay. This is stupid. Bush declared war on an undeserving country and leader. Obama does drone strikes on enemies of America. Idiots will never see the difference.


When you frame it in those terms, there isn't one.

Anyone can be an "enemy of America" if the administration says that they are.  Even Americans.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:31 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Alphax: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Wasn't that the 'spider hole' that Saddam was put in after his capture, then pulled out of, to make him seem more cowardly?

No.  According to every legitimate source around, Hussein was inside the spider hole when found.


Rethuglican spideyholes. Figures.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:31 AM

middleoftheday: Generation_D: I knew better than to enlist at age 18. A lot younger. And now I, a functioning sane and un-f--ked up adult, only have to look on at all the glitter-tear ooh-rah bullsh*t that the military puts out to know I was right and all the people that fell for it were wrong.

It's fantastic when people turn an "I don't want to" decision into an "I was too smart for that" decision years after the fact.


Pretty sure I remember saying it was a dumbass move to do it, then and now. But you're proving my point.

Nobody can hold an enlistee accountable. Its always a patriotic calling. And the tragedy that happens later is therefore everyone else's fault.

Bush, Cheney and the rest of these farktards would be nothing if they had no followers. We already know corrupt leaders won't be changing any time soon.

When do the easily deluded, easily conned followers get their share of the blame/credit for the military debacles of history?

Never. Its always those poor noble men and women who were led astray.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:33 AM
And now, the Conservative response:

To ALL liberals:

i.imgur.com

And to this veteran in particular:


wonkette.com
 
2013-03-20 01:25:37 AM

neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.


My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:59 AM

sendtodave: muck4doo: Okay. This is stupid. Bush declared war on an undeserving country and leader. Obama does drone strikes on enemies of America. Idiots will never see the difference.

When you frame it in those terms, there isn't one.

Anyone can be an "enemy of America" if the administration says that they are.  Even Americans.


* Or even undeserving countries and their leaders.
 
2013-03-20 01:26:37 AM

Sgt Otter: neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.


The royal We
 
2013-03-20 01:28:12 AM
So....how long does it take for a populace to completely forget being duped into a stupid, useless war, and decides to do it again?

By the Vietnam - Iraq example, apparently about 35 to 40 years. I guess we can look forward to the next Republican war around 2040.
 
2013-03-20 01:28:32 AM

Generation_D: Nobody can hold an enlistee accountable. Its always a patriotic calling.


What if you don't value nationalism or patriotism?

Can you hold them accountable for it then?

Because I can't think of any good reason to voluenteer to go to war, really, especially not "because my country tells me I'll be a hero."

Most reasons are economic, social pressure, or wanting power or revenge.
 
2013-03-20 01:28:45 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: No. According to every legitimate source around, Hussein was inside the spider hole when found.


I remember some reporter on CNN at the time had obviously been given some conflicting information, and she suggested that there was a taxi in the spiderhole with him!

This gave me some really confusing imagery. Was the taxi buried or something? Was there a small tunnel leading into one of the windows or something?

Of course later it came out that he was just hiding in an inconspicuous suburban home and it all made a lot more sense then!
 
2013-03-20 01:30:06 AM

muck4doo: Okay. This is stupid. Bush declared war on an undeserving country and leader. Obama does drone strikes on enemies of America. Idiots will never see the difference.


Enemies of America? Like those Al Qaeda rebels fighting to liberate Syria?
 
2013-03-20 01:30:32 AM

Sgt Otter: neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.


Liberals are devisive.  They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt.  They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.
 
2013-03-20 01:31:32 AM

sex0r: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Too late.  It came in the form of "hope and change."


Just remember this: it was the sheer awfulness and ineptitude of the Bush 2 administration that made Obama possible, for better or worse.

May you find peace in the light of the ever after, soldier.
 
2013-03-20 01:31:50 AM

sendtodave: Sgt Otter: neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive.  They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt.  They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.


They are tempting but the Bible says it's wrong.
 
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