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2013-03-20 12:53:51 AM  

GORDON: I'm sorry, who was it that bore false witness?


You realize that many of those quotes are truncated, offer no context, or were made prior to Operation Desert Fox right?
 
2013-03-20 12:54:09 AM  
Okay, This is what you Republican trolls will never get. You hate the lesser peoples. Democrats take care of lesser peoples.
 
2013-03-20 12:54:22 AM  

sendtodave: Corn_Fed: None of the Democrats who got strong-armed into cowardly going along with it actually wanted it.

How were they strong armed into it?

Unless you mean strong armed by their constituants, who wanted war.

But that's normal.  We call it Democracy.

You can blame a political party, I blame the American people who, like this soldier, wanted war.


Which war did they want? The one promoted by the Republicans.

Iraq was not on the minds of Americans in 2002. Afghanistan was. Then, in September of 2002, the Bush Republicans began mentioning hints of Iraq, slowly building/selling it.  They sold it to the American public.

Look, the Democrats were spineless cowards. But there IS a difference between hatching a plan, and being duped by the hatched plan.

This was a  Republcan, partisan war.
 
2013-03-20 12:55:36 AM  
Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.
 
2013-03-20 12:56:20 AM  

muck4doo: Okay, This is what you Republican trolls will never get. You hate the lesser peoples. Democrats take care of lesser peoples.


With other people's money.

Democrats: Here's a fish, now fark off.
Republicans: Aren't ya s'posed to be out learnin how to fish?
 
2013-03-20 12:56:25 AM  

muck4doo: Okay, This is what you Republican trolls will never get. You hate the lesser peoples. Democrats take care of lesser peoples.


The posts you've made in this thread are really good. They will be your legacy.
 
2013-03-20 12:56:35 AM  

muck4doo: Okay, This is what you Republican trolls will never get. You hate the lesser peoples. Democrats take care of lesser peoples.


They also carry out extra-judicial executions by drone. The two-party system is a no-win situation.
 
2013-03-20 12:57:05 AM  
Wait, have I entered the rainbows and unicorn thread?  NO?  May a pox on Bush/Cheney emerge immediately.  They threw our kids against this from the get-go.  F*ck them and those policies.  Just in case you think I care, Obama is the same F*cking policy....likely worse.  Good luck you folks fighting on the front lines of some craptastular effort......
 
2013-03-20 12:57:11 AM  

Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?


Congress declares war.  The War powers act give the President, as Commander-in-Chief the right to send troops in wherever and whenever he fancies.

/In short, you're an idiot.
 
2013-03-20 12:57:22 AM  
But, but but... DEMOCRATS!!1!!
 
2013-03-20 12:57:29 AM  

Dr.Zom: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

We'll never know what Cheney's Intel Unit was telling those guys behind the scenes. I distinctly remember one congressman saying Cheney's people told him Saddam had drones that could reach the east coast with nerve gas. Total BS, but scary. They wanted war, they got it, and they killed anybody who got in their way.

I've looked for that article since and it's pretty much gone down the memory hole like so much other stuff.

Still, they should have know they were liars. I could tell and I'm nobody.


Wired magazine just posted an article about these drones of Saddam's, just today:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/drone-bioweapons/
 
2013-03-20 12:57:41 AM  
once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.
 
2013-03-20 12:57:47 AM  
sendtodave: Yours is not to reason why, yours is but to do and die.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-20 12:57:55 AM  
 
2013-03-20 12:58:07 AM  

Thunderpipes: Traitors are heroes?


We can always coont on you.

/yes, filerpwned
//was deliberate
 
2013-03-20 12:58:10 AM  

Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?


...neither has since 1941.
 
2013-03-20 12:58:52 AM  

falcon176: once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.


And once again the houses point their fingers and giggle.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:03 AM  

sex0r: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Too late.  It came in the form of "hope and change."


I thought that was supposed to be socialism.
We need to get our isms straight.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:05 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.


Unlike his son, Bush Sr. wasn't a moron and didn't want to break up the coalition to get mired down in an on-going occupation.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:28 AM  

Fart_Machine: GORDON: I'm sorry, who was it that bore false witness?

You realize that many of those quotes are truncated, offer no context, or were made prior to Operation Desert Fox right?


Yes.  All of those democrats talking about Saddam's active WMD program in 2002 is totally out of context.

I was never in favor of the war, and never a huge fan of Bush, and I've even been an athiest for 30 years, but goddam do I hate the selective memory of knee-jerk Bush hating liberals.  The man actually worked with Congress that wasn't of his party.  Bills got signed.  Budgets got passed.  He had half the unemployment numbers of Obama.  Yet, he was the moron and Obama is the great leader.

Hey, anybody remember, "Bush Derangement Syndrome?"
 
2013-03-20 01:00:20 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?

Congress declares war.  The War powers act give the President, as Commander-in-Chief the right to send troops in wherever and whenever he fancies.


In other words: Uh, whatever?
 
2013-03-20 01:00:26 AM  

Fart_Machine: Unlike his son, Bush Sr. wasn't a moron and didn't want to break up the coalition to get mired down in an on-going occupation.


Furthermore, he respected his mandate.
 
2013-03-20 01:00:32 AM  

falcon176: once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.


7/10  Nice.
 
2013-03-20 01:00:38 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.


You don't know your history. We already know what happened to Saddam's 1980's stocks of WMD's. Sadddam's brother-in-law, Hussain Kamel was in charge of them. 1996, as the UN inspectors were closing in, he was ordered to take all the stockpiles into the desert and blow them up. He did.

Later, when the UN inspectors found this out, and investigated, they found the pits with the blown-up ordance and chemicals. But because there is no way to totally count weapons after they've been destroyed, the inspectors couldn't be sure if this represented ALL the old weapons.

But the Duelfor Report, ordered by Bush after the invasion, makes it clear: Saddam  had no WMD's left by 2003.
 
2013-03-20 01:00:50 AM  

Yogimus: falcon176: once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.

And once again the houses point their fingers and giggle.


Hey, shouldn't ya be out learnin to fish? Why you postin in this here thread? Git! GIT!
 
2013-03-20 01:00:51 AM  

Kurmudgeon: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And yet as a Christian and a Democrat, I never supported Dubya, Dick or the GOP to the point I've lost family and friends over this issue. Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.
That is not a Christian value. Oh well, I'm sure someone will knee jerk post this Sinclair Lewis quote inaccurately once again.


...yes, because support of fascism has to be unanimous to take hold.
 
2013-03-20 01:01:15 AM  
I know war now. I'll tell you what it is. War is young men killing other young men they do not know on the orders of old men who know one another too well.
 
2013-03-20 01:01:37 AM  

Yogimus: The reason I have little respect for Kerry is because he put himself in for medals instead of his men. I can't respect that manner of self promotion.


How would that even be possible?
 
2013-03-20 01:02:14 AM  

you are a puppet: Yogimus: falcon176: once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.

And once again the houses point their fingers and giggle.

Hey, shouldn't ya be out learnin to fish? Why you postin in this here thread? Git! GIT!


I fish with anthrax
 
2013-03-20 01:02:31 AM  

Alphax: Yogimus: The reason I have little respect for Kerry is because he put himself in for medals instead of his men. I can't respect that manner of self promotion.

How would that even be possible?


You would need a really swift boat.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:18 AM  

Corn_Fed: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.

You don't know your history. We already know what happened to Saddam's 1980's stocks of WMD's. Sadddam's brother-in-law, Hussain Kamel was in charge of them. 1996, as the UN inspectors were closing in, he was ordered to take all the stockpiles into the desert and blow them up. He did.

Later, when the UN inspectors found this out, and investigated, they found the pits with the blown-up ordance and chemicals. But because there is no way to totally count weapons after they've been destroyed, the inspectors couldn't be sure if this represented ALL the old weapons.

But the Duelfor Report, ordered by Bush after the invasion, makes it clear: Saddam  had no WMD's left by 2003.


In the end, it doesn't really matter.  Bush Jr didn't need a legal reason, he already had that.  Saddam postured and willingly violated every order by the UN because he wanted to look strong.  Regardless of the fact that he had nothing, he postured like he had something.  The only thing Bush Jr needed to do was sell it to the public, which he did.  There aren't any war crime trials because the war itself is legally justified by the UN stipulations
 
2013-03-20 01:03:32 AM  

Yogimus: Corn_Fed: The Iraq War was a  Republican war.

It was a partisan war.


None of the Democrats who got strong-armed into cowardly going along with it actually wanted it.

It was  wanted by Republicans.
It was  desired by Republicans.
It was  designed by Republicans.
It was  promoted by Republicans.
It was implemented by Republicans.

I can respect a villain, not so much the coward.


...and that's why the villain wins.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:56 AM  
HideAndGoFarkYourself:

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.

Which would have simply moved this clusterfark up ten years earlier.  Yeah, that would have been a major improvement.
 
2013-03-20 01:04:18 AM  

Coelacanth: flamingboard: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.

I'll be satisfied when I can piss on his grave.


Get in line.
I'd like to get in a bunch of George Bush heads ala Game of Thrones and stick them on pikes all along the main road heading into town.


Already been done
 
2013-03-20 01:04:30 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.


Wasn't that the 'spider hole' that Saddam was put in after his capture, then pulled out of, to make him seem more cowardly?
 
2013-03-20 01:05:05 AM  

GORDON: Fart_Machine: GORDON: I'm sorry, who was it that bore false witness?

You realize that many of those quotes are truncated, offer no context, or were made prior to Operation Desert Fox right?

Yes.  All of those democrats talking about Saddam's active WMD program in 2002 is totally out of context.


In some cases, yes.  There's a Snopes article linked above if you'd like to check it out.

I was never in favor of the war, and never a huge fan of Bush, and I've even been an athiest for 30 years, but goddam do I hate the selective memory of knee-jerk Bush hating liberals.  The man actually worked with Congress that wasn't of his party.  Bills got signed.  Budgets got passed.  He had half the unemployment numbers of Obama.  Yet, he was the moron and Obama is the great leader.

Probably because Bush left the country in a shambles and Obama had to clean up the mess.  So far he's done a pretty good job.

Hey, anybody remember, "Bush Derangement Syndrome?"

I remember it being a deflection excuse from people like yourself.  Good job.
 
2013-03-20 01:05:14 AM  

you are a puppet: Well Obama hasn't ended the war yet so Vote Republican!


"The U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq was completed on 18 December 2011".
Wiki

/you're welcome
 
2013-03-20 01:06:27 AM  

Yogimus: Corn_Fed: The Iraq War was a  Republican war.

It was a partisan war.


None of the Democrats who got strong-armed into cowardly going along with it actually wanted it.

It was  wanted by Republicans.
It was  desired by Republicans.
It was  designed by Republicans.
It was  promoted by Republicans.
It was implemented by Republicans.

I can respect a villain, not so much the coward.


Sadly, I can't say I disagree with this.
 
2013-03-20 01:06:47 AM  
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
 
2013-03-20 01:07:20 AM  

Bamboozler: Does the president or congress declare war?


Nobody does.

The War Powers Act of 1973 allowed Congress to abdicate their Constitutional duty.
 
2013-03-20 01:07:53 AM  
So, is Iraq better or worse off after all of this?
 
2013-03-20 01:08:21 AM  

PanicMan: Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-20 01:09:37 AM  
I love how the GOP is basically retarded.

Sending thousands of men to their deaths to make Haliburton fat stacks of cash= honorable, heroic, manly

Using drones to safeguard the lives of actual soldiers = OMG HOW CAN YOU DEMS STAND THE BLOOD YOU STAND IN.

Really GOP. I wish we lived in a universe where you actually could realize how abjectly stupid you are.

Whatever. Continue to marginalize yourself. The democrats can become the center right party they already are and an actual liberal party can step up to the plate.

The only question is, how much more of America can the GOP destroy in their death throes.

I'll piss on its corpse, that's for sure.
 
2013-03-20 01:09:42 AM  
Well, in all fairness, you decided to join the military and don't have a choice where you are sent.  Having said that, the war in Iraq is utter bullshiat and I hate seeing our young people killed for a bunch of people that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.
 
2013-03-20 01:09:56 AM  

Alphax: Yogimus: The reason I have little respect for Kerry is because he put himself in for medals instead of his men. I can't respect that manner of self promotion.

How would that even be possible?


It's not.  If it was, every unethical careerist LT would have more medals than Audie Murphy.

Kerry's CO, George Elliot, specifically stated that he personally nominated Kerry for the Silver Star.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
 
2013-03-20 01:09:59 AM  
From pain...
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Comes art.
 
2013-03-20 01:10:16 AM  

sex0r: lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Too late.  It came in the form of "hope and change."


i518.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 01:10:29 AM  
I got an honest question that will probably get shouted down just like all the other times I've asked, but here goes.

At what point do those that enlist willingly have to own their own failure to recognize the suck that enlisting is, was, and always will be?

I knew better than to enlist at age 18. A lot younger. And now I, a functioning sane and un-f--ked up adult, only have to look on at all the glitter-tear ooh-rah bullsh*t that the military puts out to know I was right and all the people that fell for it were wrong.

When will people quit falling for the bullsh*t the military puts out and quit enlisting? I wish I knew. Probably never. And that is the biggest tragedy of all.

Bush and Cheney and all the other farktards would be nothing without millions of willing victims lining up to be patriotic tools for them.
 
2013-03-20 01:10:40 AM  

Corn_Fed: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Ok, this WMD stuff is straight up ridiculous.

Hussein had some funky shiat, he gassed the Kurds in Halabja in March of 1988.  He killed 182,000 in Al-Anfal from '86-'89, some of that from Chemical attacks.

Were they WMD's in iraq in 2003?  Probably.  Were they in the area's the Government painted as WMD silos, plants, etc.  Clearly not.

Much like the spider hole that dirty bastard was pulled from, I'm fairly sure there are some chemical weapons buried somewhere in Iraq to this day.

Either way, Bush 1.0 should have stayed in Iraq initially, fought through to Baghdad, and killed or captured Hussein.  Bush 2.0 always seemed to be trying to finish daddy's work.

You don't know your history. We already know what happened to Saddam's 1980's stocks of WMD's. Sadddam's brother-in-law, Hussain Kamel was in charge of them. 1996, as the UN inspectors were closing in, he was ordered to take all the stockpiles into the desert and blow them up. He did.

Later, when the UN inspectors found this out, and investigated, they found the pits with the blown-up ordance and chemicals. But because there is no way to totally count weapons after they've been destroyed, the inspectors couldn't be sure if this represented ALL the old weapons.

But the Duelfor Report, ordered by Bush after the invasion, makes it clear: Saddam  had no WMD's left by 2003.


I know my history just fine.  Kamel was in charge of WMD's and we're to take his word that he blew them all up?  I think not.  This is a country that doesn't exactly keep a spreadsheet of their bombs.  Nevermind that Kamel said they had Nuclear weapons, which there's no proof of them having.  Look, still, at Baghdad Bob, and his ridiculous statements about the infidels "committing suicide at the gates of Baghdad by the thousands," and I have a hard time believing anyone associated with Saddam Hussein says.

Like I said, I believe that there are probably still some chemical weapons in Iraq.  I don't care what the Duelfor Report says, there's literally no way to be sure that all of those weapons were destroyed.

The most wanted man in the world hid in a city of 1.5 million people for five years.  I'm sure Hussein hid some of his weapons in the desert somewhere.
 
2013-03-20 01:10:58 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken.  They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.


Too bad he didn't do that from 2001 to 2009.
 
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