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(Opposing Views)   Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun, social services shows up at his door demanding entry into his home and access to guns or else they will "take his kids"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 104
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2013-03-19 08:08:46 PM
16 votes:
When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.
2013-03-19 08:22:52 PM
12 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal
2013-03-19 08:20:41 PM
9 votes:

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


That is frankly the most absurd comment I have ever seen on Fark. What do you really mean? Are you in favor of warrantless searches of homes?

Are you so afraid of a licensed hunter that you have to label him as a future mass murderer?

You need to live in reality with the rest of us. Guns are tools, just like you.
2013-03-19 08:11:39 PM
9 votes:
OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right
2013-03-19 08:14:19 PM
6 votes:
Good for him for knowing his rights and keeping a calm head to consult his attorney. A lot of people would have done something stupid and he didn't. I give him credit for that and hope they leave him alone, but chances are his life is going to be hell for some time unfortunately. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off
2013-03-19 08:29:24 PM
5 votes:
Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.
2013-03-19 08:25:19 PM
5 votes:

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]


Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com
2013-03-19 08:14:24 PM
5 votes:
"[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.
2013-03-19 08:13:15 PM
5 votes:
Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?
2013-03-19 08:36:17 PM
4 votes:

jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?


No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.

Responsible gun owners happily follow the law. It seems the child welfare folks in New Jersey don't.
2013-03-19 08:20:26 PM
4 votes:
War criminal!!
www.awsg.us

Terrorists!!
4.bp.blogspot.com

2nd Amendment hero!!
 www.opposingviews.com
2013-03-19 08:16:16 PM
4 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-19 08:15:07 PM
4 votes:
"When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "

When an unidentified person attempts to gain entry your house it is best to call the cops. The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.
2013-03-19 10:35:04 PM
3 votes:
www.knewance.com
2013-03-19 09:04:20 PM
3 votes:
In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.
2013-03-19 08:48:44 PM
3 votes:
FTA: "After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing.""

"Apparently, the DYFS representative wanted access to the house and gun safe so that she could make sure they were catalogued and "properly registered," though New Jersey does not require registration."


As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws. They are the scummiest state department ever created, and from the stories of other foster children I've heard, it doesn't very much from state to state.

If you ever find your family in their sights here's what to do:
Don't ever let them in.
Lawyer up immediately.
Don't believe a word they say.
Make as big of a stink with the media that you can.

The father in this story did everything right.
2013-03-19 08:35:41 PM
3 votes:

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.
2013-03-19 08:27:08 PM
3 votes:

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.


Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.
2013-03-19 08:24:22 PM
3 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.
2013-03-19 08:22:38 PM
3 votes:

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.


It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.
2013-03-19 08:21:26 PM
3 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.
2013-03-19 08:20:31 PM
3 votes:
The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.
2013-03-19 08:18:30 PM
3 votes:

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


flagg.deratrius.com

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.
2013-03-19 08:15:29 PM
3 votes:
Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.
2013-03-19 08:14:00 PM
3 votes:
Imagine if he would have had a picture with the constitution!
2013-03-19 11:31:39 PM
2 votes:

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.

Correct. My argument is about style. A Model 70 can pierce an armored car. A Tikka T3 is a better sniper platform than anything the military uses. A Marlin 60 holds fifteen rounds and can be reloaded in 3 seconds(with a tube). None of these guns look like an AR-15 because they are purpose built- they are not fashion accessories. Guns should not be fashion accessories. We give up nothing by losing these tactifool firearms except the gun nut fantasy world of FEMA camps and Rambo wannabes.

My argument is that people who buy firearms in order to pretend they are bad ass Navy Ranger specops BUDS paratroopeals are fools, and we should not suffer fools gladly, because we do not want to live in a society where the civilian apes military dress, military manners, and so on.

You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?



attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com

Why yes, yes I do, as a matter of fact.

Why do you ask?
2013-03-19 10:03:24 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


You need to check your white privilege mister! Every time you looks at a person of colour you're enslaving them with your imperialistic white eyes. Everytime you look at a woman you are committing sexual assault, you should feel ashamed!
2013-03-19 09:34:29 PM
2 votes:
I actually, and unfortunately, know someone who works for DYFS. They really are like this. They really do think nothing of taking a kid from his home, without a court order and without exigent circumstances. And the cops are basically required to go along with them, even if what they're doing is totally illegal. I would not be shocked if every word of this story were true, including the bit where she refused to give her name. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that I knew the idiot.

/fascists
2013-03-19 09:24:45 PM
2 votes:

willfullyobscure: military-style weapon


But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.
2013-03-19 08:31:26 PM
2 votes:

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


Can't tell if stupid or trolling.

/can be both I guess
2013-03-19 08:30:03 PM
2 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.
2013-03-19 08:29:59 PM
2 votes:
Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.
2013-03-19 08:29:54 PM
2 votes:

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.
2013-03-19 08:29:00 PM
2 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
[cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com image 590x300]


To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.
2013-03-19 08:25:07 PM
2 votes:
That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.
2013-03-19 08:24:44 PM
2 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Since the kid passed the state program for hunters under 18 what's the big deal?

/took the test in Pa when I was 11 too
2013-03-19 08:17:37 PM
2 votes:
I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???
2013-03-19 08:13:58 PM
2 votes:
molon labe?
2013-03-20 10:36:23 AM
1 votes:
Guys who are scared of this image (the kid with a gun image) are pussies of the highest order and can no longer consider themselves a man. I hate to sound like that, but there's really no other way to phrase it. Their grandfathers would be ashamed of having such an emasculated offspring.

If you're scared of that kid with a .22, you're a pussy. Now go ahead and post the Bushmaster ad as if that means jack shiat to me.
2013-03-20 08:59:11 AM
1 votes:
No crime, no warrant, no jurisdiction.

This is what the Revolution was about.

http://www.zazzle.com/citizen_obey_tees-235193210165625958
2013-03-20 01:11:04 AM
1 votes:

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


www.kygunco.com

Because the Ruger 10/22 comes from the factory with a 10-shot, rotary magazine.  While it is flush-fitting, and thus not easily noticeable in most photos of the weapon, it still borders on counting as a "high capacity magazine".

As such, it would be very hard to own in Australia, unless one happens to be an "occupational shooter" or the like.  If it were chambered for any centerfire caliber, you've only have (on the job) access to one only if you worked for certain government agencies.

Thank whatever gods there maybe that we have the 2nd Amendment.

i182.photobucket.com

Not .22LR, but .223 is not really "high powered" either...
2013-03-20 01:08:16 AM
1 votes:
How this incredible amount of BS became greenlit... is a mystery.
www.sawtbeirut.com

Good lord people, this is troll material.
2013-03-20 01:01:53 AM
1 votes:
jso2897:

and the slippery slope, no compromise model he espouses will only serve to marginalize gun rights advocates from the debates.

It's funny how anti-gun people like to paint the other side as "unreasonable" and "unwilling to compromise." It's not compromise if you demand someone give something up without giving anything in return. Why should I let people chip away at my rights just because they are asspained and afraid of guns?
2013-03-19 11:52:47 PM
1 votes:
blu.stb.s-msn.com

The kid looks like he's better trained to handle guns than the average nut who feels the need to pose with them.
2013-03-19 11:44:47 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?


Well yeah, I mean I've posted facts and basically told the truth so... facts and truth are real enough for me.

If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.

See the list of scientific, philosophical, musical and literary names of White Oppressors I posted earlier in the thread... as I said before, you wouldn't even have the opportunity to post your anti- White bullsh*t if it weren't for the white men who laid the technological foundation for computing, you parasite. When you think about it, really, it's actually up to you to prove that non- European people have made a significant contribution to Anglo- American civilization rather than vice- versa -- unless you're one of those delusional idiots who believes that our entire civilization was stolen from the black Nubians who flew gliders over the pyramids, in which case you're totally beyond help.
2013-03-19 11:25:21 PM
1 votes:
There are poeple who will never believe this even if Eric Holder tapdances across CNN and says it happened just they way it has been reported. They think anyone who has a gun must be insane and can't possibly remember what happened for the children.

Then there are the rest of us, we know it costs a buck for one round of 9mm, we know that Senators are trying to ban guns because they are scary looking, we know that some legislatures like NY and Colorado have already passed laws to restrict he size of magazines we can own - which truly means nothing as I can shoot 60 bullets in one or 20 bullets in 3 or 10 bullets in six all under 30 seconds. We all know that we can add more and more laws, but criminals won't care, they're criminals after all. What we need is comprehensive mental health care. It will help those like Adam Lanza, and many of the gun banning crowd.
2013-03-19 11:20:37 PM
1 votes:

rohar: You see, the term "magazine" predates cartridges. If your assertion was were true, this wouldn't be possible. Wanna try again?


English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.
2013-03-19 11:16:41 PM
1 votes:

NephilimNexus: Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.


arago4.tnw.utwente.nl

"I'll have the lot."


Why "decide" when can have everything on the menu?
Oak
2013-03-19 11:14:37 PM
1 votes:

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-19 10:49:43 PM
1 votes:

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


Rule of thumb is: Magazine feeds the chamber, a clip feeds the magazine.
2013-03-19 10:43:26 PM
1 votes:
jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters
2013-03-19 10:23:54 PM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: feckingmorons: NRA life memberships are $700 off during a promotion.

Three hundred bucks for a life membership in the NRA is sweet.

ok seriously.. I kinda like guns and love shooting and I obviously have no issue with the 2nd amendment nor people owning firearms.. eventhough I don not care too much for NRA's politics nor some of the derp LaPierre spews being a member holds me no grudge...so what can someone like me benefit from an NRA membership if any?

/serious


Good magazines (I get American Rifleman - others are American Hunter or America's First Freedom). 10K worth of gun insurance, discounts at places (you get them with AAA too - motels, car rental that sort of thing) admission to NRA events for free, voting rights for the NRA board, and they lobby our elected representatives to preserve our Second Amendment rights. They don't try to do 12 different things like some organizations, they are a one issue organization that stays on mission and is very effective.

If you don't like their politics you probably wouldn't want to join, but if you like guns and hunting and do join the American Hunter magazine is probably for you, you can switch magazines if you like (ha! an unintended gun joke).
2013-03-19 10:23:46 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.

Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.


Trouble is these farks don't take NO for an answer.  They had COPS with them.  The COPS should have told them to pull their heads out of their asses instead of standing there with their thumbs up theirs.
2013-03-19 10:14:29 PM
1 votes:

real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.


Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.
2013-03-19 10:11:47 PM
1 votes:

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.
2013-03-19 10:10:38 PM
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

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Well, who's the young man in the photo? If it's a black adolescent in the States out shooting with his father, who cares? If (as is more likely, since you've bothered to post it) it's a black adolescent in the Congo or Sierra Leone or elsewhere in Africa who's been conscripted into taking part in his country's war then -- guess what pal -- the context is completely different. The only reason you can't see any distinction is because you've been indoctrinated to believe that guns, despite being inanimate objects in themselves, are inherently destructive or evil regardless of how they are used; in other words, you've fallen prey to the mindless emotional hysteria that has governed the gun- control movement since forever (and which has only recently been further exacerbated by Sandy Hook).
2013-03-19 10:08:02 PM
1 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My 9 year old owns a gun. And I'm a certified foster parent. So from the very bottom of my heart, Fark you.
2013-03-19 10:04:16 PM
1 votes:

NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.


That technically makes him more qualified than the cop to carry a firearm within city limits.

I think the real funny is that most cops are ONLY allowed to carry their issued pistol with the issued low velocity ammunition.
Its the biggest untold joke of law enforcement.  You can do more damage with a BRICK.
When you hear about these firefights where the cops shoot a hundred rounds and the only person who hit the perp WAS the perp its mostly because firing underpowered rounds makes the guns behave poorly.  Try cheap ammo in an HK MP series weapon, it'll spray shiat all over the place.
2013-03-19 10:03:00 PM
1 votes:
When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him

Wait, an official refusing to identify themselves as an official?  That's well past "don't have a warrant?  Please leave" and into "you're an unidentified stranger on my property making threats, by castle doctrine I can legally shoot you so you might want to consider running now."

willfullyobscure: You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?


Um, every single historical culture in the world including ostensibly peace-loving ones like Roman-era Christians and Buddhists?  Not being part of an equipped local militia as a kid was practically unheard of in European-rooted cultures until the mid 1800s or so (later for some places), for instance, a remnant of feudalism and the subsequent revolutions.  It only died off due to the massive increase in population and thus manpower making a set of massive standing armies more economically advantageous.

Also, for a more recent example, the boy scouts and explorer corps do all of those things, and any given school club does most of them.  Marching band, for instance, is only short the rifles themselves and then only sometimes.

//Assuming you were a kid in the late 80s/early 90s where there was a big push to intentionally subvert this.
2013-03-19 09:56:45 PM
1 votes:

GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.
2013-03-19 09:48:01 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?


Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.
2013-03-19 09:32:46 PM
1 votes:
I was 10.

i.imgur.com

Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.
2013-03-19 09:32:43 PM
1 votes:
Hey, this is a great story! There's enough stupidity to go around for everybody!

But seriously. What type of gun are we talking? hunting? gang-banger? mass murderer? Was the gun loaded? Was it cocked? Was the kid pointing it at somebody? Was the father responsibly teaching gun safety and practicing it? Was the kid too dumb to live?

I'm a liberal and in favour of reasonable restrictions on the manufacture, sales, purchase, ownership and use of guns. But I like a bit of venison or moose, partrige, duck or goose. I don't object to salmon or trout or even coarse fishing of some species.

This is not an automatic decision. If a guy wants to take a picture of a kid with a gun, it makes a difference to me whether he is holding it to the head of a battered black man or white woman. It makes a difference whether the gun is legal, the purpose of the gun is legitimate, and the use of the gun rational and responsible.

I fired a gun once. It was my grandfather's XIXth century heirloom, as heavy as a dog and with a kick like a mule. Enough gun training for me. It taught me that you should stick heirlooms in museums or display cases with locks because sticking them into the hands of an untrained child is not a great idea, even with instructions.

On the other hand, some kids like to hunt, just as some men don't. Even some women like to hunt.

My Father has that gun now and he obeys the laws regarding safety and security. The gun is locked up, so is the ammo, and I expect the firing pins are removed if that is what the law says. Even guns that aren't designed specifically to hurt or kill people do so when abused.

Did the gun get abused? Was the kid abused? Or is it abusive to threaten the kid simply because of a photo.

There are a number of photos my family members took that could get you arrested and treated like a permanent threat to society--for example bathtub photos of little kids. Parents think this goo is cute and nostalgic. Predators seem to like it too. But one is not ipso facto a sexual predator and monster for taking such a photograph or having one in a drawer some where. One reason we have juries and judges is so that occasionally common sense will prevail over the forces of authority and law. It doesn't always work, sadly.
2013-03-19 09:28:21 PM
1 votes:
Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

www.nam.ac.uk
2013-03-19 09:17:13 PM
1 votes:

Shadyman: "[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.


The problem is a public servant acted on their personal beliefs and biases and engaged a law-abiding citizen using "the law" in a threatening, malicious manner. The public servant likely committed malfeasance and misfeasnace and should be prosecuted, but most likely will just be fired after the ensuing lawsuit.
2013-03-19 09:13:31 PM
1 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


i feel the exact opposite way. i'm not a fan of guns at all(aside from being fascinated by their mechanics), but no law is being broken and the kid is certified. how the fark do they have the right to even make threats like that?
2013-03-19 09:03:44 PM
1 votes:

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


Because the factory magazine for the Ruger 10/22 fits fully inside the stock and isn't visible unless the bottom of the firearms is viewed.
2013-03-19 09:01:57 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.


No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.
2013-03-19 09:00:34 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?
2013-03-19 08:58:44 PM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: But it sure has brought out the pro-gun people on Fark.  Like ringing a farking dinner bell.  A GUN THREAD!!!  AS SOON AS I'M DONE FAPPING ABOUT IT, I"M POSTING IN THAT BABY!



Wow.  You have a really skewed view of most gun owners.  Like any hobby, some of the enthusiasts are kind of weird, but let's say you really enjoy doing nice things for nature.  Are we to think of you as an insane tree-spiker or a member of the Earth Liberation Front?

This is an issue of government agencies pushing to see how far they can intrude.  It should concern lefties as much as their traditional complaining points, like immigration roadblocks, intrusive drug testing when it isn't necessary, the Patriot Act, warrantless searches, or even Stonewall.

My family is by no means a bunch of gun-fapping extremists, but we do live on the doorstep of the great outdoors.  My kids have been safely handling guns since they were 8 (BBs and .22s--like the kid in the story), went through hunter's safety classes when they were 11, and are currently on their high school trap shooting team.  We own a few handguns but rarely use them at the target range.  I admit it's anecdotal, but around here we're not out of the ordinary.  If anything we're not that fervent, since we have only 5 long guns and two pistols.
2013-03-19 08:54:58 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.


No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.
2013-03-19 08:54:25 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


We shouldn't have to defend our freedoms, but it seems we must.

I would sooner defend mine with a lawyer in a courtroom than with a gun.

/he had a blog long before he had the webpage, that is how I found him. Gun Trusts speed up the transfer of NFA weapons immeasurably.
2013-03-19 08:54:22 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?

No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?

Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.

That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.


Ah.  So you're one of those mindless "Won't anyone think of the children!" people.  I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.
2013-03-19 08:53:19 PM
1 votes:

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


What's troubling abut him holding the gun? The kid is holding it safely and has undergone firearms training. There is nothing at all illegal about him holding, or even firing the gun, although he CAN'T possess alcohol at 11.


Wait, I know what it is... You're actually lying about not being anti-gun. It's the only explanation for your rabid anti-gun reaction to a child doing something completely safe and completely legal.
2013-03-19 08:50:41 PM
1 votes:
2013-03-19 08:50:28 PM
1 votes:

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


Check the article, MSN is just referancing the original forum post as their source. That is NOT journalism.
2013-03-19 08:48:48 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.

So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK.  But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone.  Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM
1 votes:

badhatharry: Google ruger .22


The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?
2013-03-19 08:46:34 PM
1 votes:
Gun control has little to with safety.

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
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Because you're not considering what happens outside the frame of the photograph. Teaching a kid marksmanship so he'll be able to hunt and defend himself later in life is vastly different than "kill those men and I'll give you alcohol/Prepare to kill those Jews and Allah will bless you".
2013-03-19 08:45:11 PM
1 votes:

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
modernsurvivalonline.com
2013-03-19 08:43:27 PM
1 votes:
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as thepalladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral checkagainst usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even ifthese are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist andtriumph over them."-- Supreme CourtJustice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court --
2013-03-19 08:39:40 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.


Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.
2013-03-19 08:36:48 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.


He's an NRA instructor.  It's pretty standard fare to have a firearms lawyer on retainer and a good insurance policy.
2013-03-19 08:35:03 PM
1 votes:

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Just the AP version.

Good on the parents.  Fark that arrogant, cowardly social services biatch.
2013-03-19 08:33:39 PM
1 votes:

WhyKnot: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.


Perhaps i was being a bit too "on the nose."

I was making fun of the fundamental lefties...
2013-03-19 08:32:13 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.

Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),


Your initial claim was hyperbolic and stupid. It reveals either that you are a troll or that you are developmentally disabled.
2013-03-19 08:31:44 PM
1 votes:

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.
2013-03-19 08:28:06 PM
1 votes:

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


www.govgroup.com
2013-03-19 08:25:25 PM
1 votes:
If we teach our kids to hold big guns and shoot big guns, imagine what other large phallic objects they'll want to fondle and stick in their mouths.  This is a Christian nation, and everybody has the right to own a gun, but as a parent it is your duty to teach your kids to be heterosexual and not have him idolize guns and shooting stuff that might turn him gay.  Furthermore, if you insist on teaching your kid his way around a rifle, you better be sure not to dress him so snappy and fashionable.  You're practically sticking your cock in his mouth.  It's wrong.  It's sick.  It's got to stop.  It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.
ecl
2013-03-19 08:25:23 PM
1 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


image.shutterstock.com
2013-03-19 08:23:56 PM
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

[news.gunholsters.com image 850x637]

Jeesus cracker hopping Christ!  Somebody actually thought that this was a good idea?


That's not a good idea, that's an AWESOME idea.
Too bad it won't fit in my daughter's backpack :(
2013-03-19 08:23:54 PM
1 votes:
There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.
2013-03-19 08:23:42 PM
1 votes:

EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.


I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.
spr
2013-03-19 08:23:10 PM
1 votes:
the "kid" was certified by his home state (New Jersey) as being *trained* to use that firearm for hunting.  he'd passed the state test.     

Molon Labe.
2013-03-19 08:22:59 PM
1 votes:

Pangit: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


I don't know- I joined a gun forum for liberals recently and I've found a few on there. No big deal, ain't no thang.
ecl
2013-03-19 08:22:10 PM
1 votes:
Fark: Trollfest2k13
2013-03-19 08:20:53 PM
1 votes:

NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.


My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.
ecl
2013-03-19 08:18:55 PM
1 votes:
This sounds totally legit.

3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-19 08:17:38 PM
1 votes:
Are we supposed to be outraged?  The story's tag implies so.  What is this father doing posting photos of a minor on Facebook?  That's absolutely grounds for losing custody of his child.  Think of all the molesters out there that might jerk off to that photo and the people that steal kids and then sell stolen kids to people without kids in other countries might be able to use the photos to identify the kid's location and steal him.  It's completely irresponsible and we need to teach these parents a lesson -- post photos of your kids online and you'll lose your kid.  Either the government will take your child, or people that steal kids will take your child.  It's better if the government does it first because at least your kid will go to molesters in the United States rather than molesters in the Ukraine.
2013-03-19 08:17:12 PM
1 votes:
He's right, most people would not have refused entry. Good for him for exercising his rights. Shame on the authorities for bothering him and his family in the first place.
2013-03-19 08:15:31 PM
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We seem to Be headed in this direction
2013-03-19 08:15:11 PM
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Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!
2013-03-19 08:14:25 PM
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cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Dammit. I was hoping to see a pink rifle. ;-)
2013-03-19 08:13:32 PM
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Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.
 
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