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2013-03-20 09:37:29 AM
Holy shiat! This thread is a mess. People do not know the difference between Child Soldiers (and the conditions these poor children are exposed to) and legal responsible gun ownership, changing the definition of words to fit their agenda (even though they are bullshiatting over semantics) and just making up 'facts'. Thankfully these individuals are anti-gun and will never own a gun because that would be scary. There is only one solution to this thread:
i280.photobucket.com
i280.photobucket.com

/of course now those people will determine that squirrels & cats are dangerous and should be outlawed
 
2013-03-20 09:56:35 AM
I've been shooting since I was like five years old, not one single incident. I had my own rifle at that kid's age. Teach them correctly and provide proper supervision and (some) kids can be perfectly safe with firearms. Of course, there have been many I met who shouldn't be allowed so much as a pointy stick or a big rock.
 
2013-03-20 09:56:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Who built upon the science and mathematics developed in Arabia, Persia, India and China.  These, in turn, built upon earlier work.

Specifics, please? I have to ask because we are nowadays being told a great deal of bullsh*t about all this, to be honest. For example, it has been claimed that algebra originated with the Muslim Arabs, simply because the word "algebra" itself is of Arabic origin; what is not so widely broadcast is that the practice of algebra as a mathematical discipline originated with the ancient Greeks, otherwise we would never have had the Pythagorean Theorem.


Specifics?  Here are ten of them:  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9.  Or would you rather balance your checkbook with I V X L C D M?  And no, I have no problem with noting that the Arab and Persian mathematicians, and perhaps India as well, built upon Greek sources.

White people are the incumbent kings of the hill.  I'm not here to argue over whether we *should* be, and indeed I doubt that any other people would have been less nasty toward their fellow human beings; the trouble with white people is not that we're white but that we're people.

Your egalitarianism (being due to a misguided idealism) is commendable, but nevertheless it is in fact the case that "white people" are uniquely as a group being collectively blamed for their failings while not in the slightest receiving any collective credit for their considerable achievements. How do you reconcile this?


You sound butthurt.

White people like jso2897 have openly expressed a desire for the extinction of their race:

Ctrl-F jso2897..."They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway."  Not a desire but a factual claim, to which the appropriate response is either to write him off as a troll or call citation needed.

but what if cultural traits are merely the expression of a deeper genetic reality, the same reality that has manifested itself in uniquely Western institutions such as universal suffrage, freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech?

OK, that is racist.  And absurd.  Were the Arabs' genes better than ours around A.D. 800?  Did our genes suddenly develop some mojo around A.D. 1500?  The USA has had universal suffrage, de facto, only since 1965 if even that far back.  And it is under threat, not from pantywaist white-hating libruls but from the Republicans and their "Voter ID" BS.

This is a gun thread.  Where was gunpowder invented?

I don't understand the relevance. Are you seriously alleging that, because the Chinese invented gunpowder, they ought to have a privileged voice in the gun- control debate?

Don't you get hay fever from demolishing all those strawmen?
 
2013-03-20 10:00:26 AM

Thunderpipes: They should never have been there. If the guy did not know his rights, they would have searched his home. Why should law abiding citizens be harassed?


WTF is wrong with you? Are you feeling out of sorts? You didn't blame liberals and\or Obama. We're gonna let it slide this time, but don't let it happen again.
 
2013-03-20 10:05:08 AM
Government: an abusive parasite that justifies itself with constant invention of bogeymen to go chase.
 
2013-03-20 10:24:52 AM
I remember in Scout camp in Indiana  back in the 70's we would just check out a .22, buy a box of ammo, and then carry the weapons and ammo down to the range to shoot all by ourselves.  No adults on the range.  Miraculously, no one ever got hurt.  We had guidelines and we stuck to them.

Then again, that was back in the day when camp counselors and other adults would frickin' clock you if you got out of line.
 
2013-03-20 10:30:23 AM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!



Wow that was dumb. I hope you were kidding and/or trolling.
 
2013-03-20 10:30:50 AM

Clemkadidlefark: 1. Posting pics is as stupid as it gets. DO NOT DO

2. Shoot the social workers and bury them out back under the petunias

 /effing busy bodies


What am I allowed to do under freedom. Please tell me. I actually, have no idea.
 
2013-03-20 10:32:52 AM

sodomizer: Government: an abusive parasite that justifies itself with constant invention of bogeymen to go chase.




If only we could eradicate the barbarians. Wait a sec, we are the barbarians.
 
2013-03-20 10:36:23 AM
Guys who are scared of this image (the kid with a gun image) are pussies of the highest order and can no longer consider themselves a man. I hate to sound like that, but there's really no other way to phrase it. Their grandfathers would be ashamed of having such an emasculated offspring.

If you're scared of that kid with a .22, you're a pussy. Now go ahead and post the Bushmaster ad as if that means jack shiat to me.
 
2013-03-20 10:43:43 AM
Dad just happened to have an attorney who specializes in 2nd amendment cases on speed dial?   Um, anyone else think this guy was trying to create an incident?
 
2013-03-20 10:43:50 AM

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.



You really are dumb./thought you were just trolling
 
2013-03-20 10:43:56 AM
Story sounds fake to me.  Wouldn't be the first time someone lied to get attention on a web forum.
 
2013-03-20 10:45:02 AM
I think we all know who in New Jersey is really scared by this picture.

WILD PIGS


www.mememaker.net
 
2013-03-20 10:51:38 AM
People still fall for agitprop like this, eh?
 
2013-03-20 10:53:39 AM

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x682]


Your post describes the Bush administration to a T, Obama not so much.
 
2013-03-20 10:59:35 AM
The most aggravating thing about the gun discussion is that is it so difficult to find true moderates. NRA goes too far, and most of the anti gun crowd is a bad as the birthers.
 
2013-03-20 11:03:44 AM
Wow... this thread is now approaching 700 comments.

A 700 comment thread... about a second-hand blog account...  of some forum posts.... about an event that occurred allegedly over a Facebook post. There are no facts to support that CPS showed up for the reasons this guy claims. He told Glenn Beck's site one thing and the local news another. Nothing appears to have actually happened other than a visit in which CPS and cop left when it became obvious they'd been punked.

And Fark argued over it for going on 700 comments just because the guy claims, without any evidence, that it had to do with a picture of a gun.

Holy. Shiat.
 
2013-03-20 11:17:08 AM
The ACLU should be involved.  Not because of the gun - the ACLU leaves direct protection of the 2nd amendment to the NRA which is geared and funded for such activity.  They should be involved because a family was threatened by a government agency as a result of some jamoke viewing a photo of lawful and constitutionally protected activity.  A government agency that abuses authority needs to know the ACLU is watching.
 
2013-03-20 11:20:29 AM

Fissile: Dad just happened to have an attorney who specializes in 2nd amendment cases on speed dial?   Um, anyone else think this guy was trying to create an incident?


Why does the attorney need to specialze in 2nd ammendment cases. This is due process. Any student of law knows that, most basic, shiat. Hell, even a business major.

/not a lawyer
 
2013-03-20 11:21:12 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: The ACLU should be involved.  Not because of the gun - the ACLU leaves direct protection of the 2nd amendment to the NRA which is geared and funded for such activity.  They should be involved because a family was threatened by a government agency as a result of some jamoke viewing a photo of lawful and constitutionally protected activity.  A government agency that abuses authority needs to know the ACLU is watching.


Not so much.
 
2013-03-20 11:31:34 AM

RatOmeter: Story sounds fake to me.  Wouldn't be the first time someone lied to get attention on a web forum.


Doesn't sound fake to me, and I'm a foster parent.  Sounds like something someone in Child Protective Services would do.
 
2013-03-20 11:32:26 AM

Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


This has probably been answered, but I couldn't get through more than half of the derp to check.

It does have a magazine.  From the factory, it comes with a 10-round helical magazine that fits flush with the stock.  Nothing pokes out.  The curved magazines in other photos are usually 25-round single stacks.
 
2013-03-20 11:34:19 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny. It was all covered at the meetings.

You go to the meetings too? I hope you'd also agree that the amounts of our monthly White Privilege Checks are not keeping pace with inflation.


Who cares about the dues? The problem is the membership benefits have gone to hell. It used to mean good bus seats, the best jobs, better raises. WTH does it get you these days?
 
2013-03-20 11:39:47 AM

pion: "Do you know why Americans love guns, Mr. Hertz? And it's got nothing to do with all that phallic mumbo-jumbo, "cockin' your gun." No, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity, where a poor man can become rich, and a pussy can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand."


I'm a tough guy, with a pussy in my hand...
 
2013-03-20 11:42:17 AM

dittybopper: Doesn't sound fake to me, and I'm a foster parent. Sounds like something someone in Child Protective Services would do.


While I agree it doesn't sound fake, I'm guessing a video of the encounter would show that the writer has overblown the incident. Of course when it comes to CPS types, nothing would surprise me.
 
2013-03-20 11:44:17 AM

MythDragon: I'm a tough guy, with a getting pussy in my hand head...


FTFY?
 
2013-03-20 11:49:14 AM

MylesHeartVodak: Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?

This has probably been answered, but I couldn't get through more than half of the derp to check.

It does have a magazine.  From the factory, it comes with a 10-round helical magazine that fits flush with the stock.  Nothing pokes out.  The curved magazines in other photos are usually 25-round single stacks.




what 510 round 20mm helical might look like.
avstop.com

It's cool since there is no barrel shroud or pistol grip.
 
2013-03-20 11:54:43 AM
feckingmorons: jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!

That is frankly the most absurd comment I have ever seen on Fark. What do you really mean? Are you in favor of warrantless searches of homes?


See that's the funny thing about this whole story.  The father/gun owner denied entry to the home and nothing happened. His rights were upheld.  His son's rights were upheld.  Yes there was a random government agent who flew off the handle and tried to abuse power.  Didn't work.  If anything, this story shows how strong our rights are in this country.
 
2013-03-20 11:59:59 AM

dittybopper: jso2897: computerguyUT: OMG a young boy with a killer assault weapon!!!  Oh the humanity!

Freaking goddamn retards.  When will this stupid shiat end.

I wouldn't worry about it too much - if you read between the hyperbole, here's what happened - A guy somehow made an enemy of an asshole neighbor, who found an excuse to drop a dime on him. An overworked, stressed out, and probably not-very-bright social worker, acting on misinformation, tried to overstep her bounds. The cops showed up and would have none of it, and nothing happened.
That's actually the story, and it's pretty mundane. I don't think the black helicopters will be landing oin our lawns just yet.

This.

I'm a foster parent, and I've actually seen that happen.  One of my placements was a boy who was not quite 2 years old yet.  Social Services gave us the background:  Kid was living in a hotel room with Mom, "concerned family member" called CPS about the kid having bruises, and the fact that Mom was at a party at some point (details were pretty vague about that).

CPS shows up, sees kid actually does have bruises, and pulls him out based on suspicion of child abuse.

After he was in our care for all of 30 minutes, it became obvious why the kid had bruises:  He was a natural daredevil.  He *LOVED* jumping off of high places, and he had only two speeds:  Flank, and All Stop.  Natural born athlete.

It turns out that the "concerned family member" almost certainly knew all this, and still called CPS because of a personal spat with the Mom.  It took a month for the mother to get her son back, and even then she was under the microscope of Social Services for a while.

Nothing happened to the family member who called CPS, which pisses me off to no end.  Even the judge recognized it was an injustice, but the system isn't set up to punish those who abuse it for personal ends.


It's a tough one - because if somebody drops a dime on some truly evil, psychotic, violent parent,, and their identity was revealed, they could be subject to revenge - but the anonymity creates a shield for malicious fake "whistle blowers" to hide behind. I can't think of an easy solution, off the top of my head.
But at any rate - in this instance, the system worked, and the guys rights were protected, and there really isn't much to see here.
 
2013-03-20 12:00:29 PM

feckingmorons: Neither a clip nor a magazine are required to fire a rifle. I'll ask one more time, what is your point?



On the Walther G-22 (am I am sure some others) there is a mag safety switch so that you cannot fire it unless a magazine is fully inserted.

Not to interupt your flow or anything, just figured you should know now before it ever becomes an issue.
 
2013-03-20 12:03:57 PM

jso2897: dittybopper: jso2897: computerguyUT: OMG a young boy with a killer assault weapon!!!  Oh the humanity!

Freaking goddamn retards.  When will this stupid shiat end.

I wouldn't worry about it too much - if you read between the hyperbole, here's what happened - A guy somehow made an enemy of an asshole neighbor, who found an excuse to drop a dime on him. An overworked, stressed out, and probably not-very-bright social worker, acting on misinformation, tried to overstep her bounds. The cops showed up and would have none of it, and nothing happened.
That's actually the story, and it's pretty mundane. I don't think the black helicopters will be landing oin our lawns just yet.

This.

I'm a foster parent, and I've actually seen that happen.  One of my placements was a boy who was not quite 2 years old yet.  Social Services gave us the background:  Kid was living in a hotel room with Mom, "concerned family member" called CPS about the kid having bruises, and the fact that Mom was at a party at some point (details were pretty vague about that).

CPS shows up, sees kid actually does have bruises, and pulls him out based on suspicion of child abuse.

After he was in our care for all of 30 minutes, it became obvious why the kid had bruises:  He was a natural daredevil.  He *LOVED* jumping off of high places, and he had only two speeds:  Flank, and All Stop.  Natural born athlete.

It turns out that the "concerned family member" almost certainly knew all this, and still called CPS because of a personal spat with the Mom.  It took a month for the mother to get her son back, and even then she was under the microscope of Social Services for a while.

Nothing happened to the family member who called CPS, which pisses me off to no end.  Even the judge recognized it was an injustice, but the system isn't set up to punish those who abuse it for personal ends.

It's a tough one - because if somebody drops a dime on some truly evil, psychotic, violent parent,, and their identity was rev ...




It's my understand that's why it's not common law but a statute.
 
2013-03-20 12:04:15 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: The ACLU should be involved.  Not because of the gun - the ACLU leaves direct protection of the 2nd amendment to the NRA which is geared and funded for such activity.  They should be involved because a family was threatened by a government agency as a result of some jamoke viewing a photo of lawful and constitutionally protected activity.  A government agency that abuses authority needs to know the ACLU is watching.


I would want them to get involved in this if something had happened - but, legally, nothing did because the police correctly understood the situation, and took no action - and lacking that, the ACLU can't really do anything, except maybe publish another "position paper" - and we are already pretty clear on where they stand on the 4th amendment. They have only certain tools available to them, and something has to actually, legally happen before they can do anything about it.
 
2013-03-20 12:08:49 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Who built upon the science and mathematics developed in Arabia, Persia, India and China.  These, in turn, built upon earlier work.

Specifics, please? I have to ask because we are nowadays being told a great deal of bullsh*t about all this, to be honest. For example, it has been claimed that algebra originated with the Muslim Arabs, simply because the word "algebra" itself is of Arabic origin; what is not so widely broadcast is that the practice of algebra as a mathematical discipline originated with the ancient Greeks, otherwise we would never have had the Pythagorean Theorem.

Specifics?  Here are ten of them:  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9.  Or would you rather balance your checkbook with I V X L C D M?  And no, I have no problem with noting that the Arab and Persian mathematicians, and perhaps India as well, built upon Greek sources.

White people are the incumbent kings of the hill.  I'm not here to argue over whether we *should* be, and indeed I doubt that any other people would have been less nasty toward their fellow human beings; the trouble with white people is not that we're white but that we're people.

Your egalitarianism (being due to a misguided idealism) is commendable, but nevertheless it is in fact the case that "white people" are uniquely as a group being collectively blamed for their failings while not in the slightest receiving any collective credit for their considerable achievements. How do you reconcile this?

You sound butthurt.

White people like jso2897 have openly expressed a desire for the extinction of their race:

Ctrl-F jso2897..."They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway."  Not a desire but a factual claim, to which the appropriate response is either to write him off as a troll or call citation needed.

but what if cultural traits are merely the expression of a deeper genetic reality, the same reality that has manifested itself in uniquely Western institutions such as universal ...


After carefully re-reading the whole thread, I am convinced that he was trolling me even better than I was trolling him. Nobody literate could have actually taken any of the absurd shiat I threw at him seriously, and I am pretty sure he just remained "in character" till the bitter end to troll me.
Which I had coming. A troll trolling a troll thread and getting trolled in return. It's not news - it Fark.com.
 
2013-03-20 12:28:21 PM
Uncle_Slacker, age two.

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2013-03-20 12:41:24 PM

NightOwl2255: MythDragon: I'm a tough guy, with a getting pussy in my hand head...

FTFY?


I was finishing the qoute from Shoot em Up

Hammerson: Do you know why Americans love guns? And it's got nothing to do with all that phallic mumbo-jumbo, "cocking your gun." No, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity where a poor man can become rich and a pussy can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand. Now, I'm hoping you're not just a pussy with a gun in your hand.Hertz: Oh no, sir, no I am not. No, I'm a tough guy with a pussy in my hand.
 
2013-03-20 12:48:03 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!

That is frankly the most absurd comment I have ever seen on Fark. What do you really mean? Are you in favor of warrantless searches of homes?

Are you so afraid of a licensed hunter that you have to label him as a future mass murderer?

You need to live in reality with the rest of us. Guns are tools, just like you.


you  must be new here
 
2013-03-20 12:48:55 PM
I can't believe something like this hasn't been posted.
i1277.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-20 01:14:11 PM

jso2897: It's a tough one - because if somebody drops a dime on some truly evil, psychotic, violent parent,, and their identity was revealed, they could be subject to revenge - but the anonymity creates a shield for malicious fake "whistle blowers" to hide behind. I can't think of an easy solution, off the top of my head.
But at any rate - in this instance, the system worked, and the guys rights were protected, and there really isn't much to see here.


Well, it wasn't a secret in this case who dropped the dime.

The problem is that even though we all *KNEW* it was BS, it was plausible BS.  The kid actually had bruises.  What DA is going to put that person on trial for falsely reporting an incident?  All they have to say to a jury is "Hey, I saw bruises, the kid is my relative, I was *CONCERNED* for his safety".
 
2013-03-20 01:18:43 PM

Uncle_Slacker: Uncle_Slacker, age two.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 173x293]


Yet another late bloomer.  That's OK.
 
2013-03-20 01:22:05 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Depends, is it quality bourbon?
 
2013-03-20 01:58:40 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Fissile: Dad just happened to have an attorney who specializes in 2nd amendment cases on speed dial?   Um, anyone else think this guy was trying to create an incident?

Why does the attorney need to specialze in 2nd ammendment cases. This is due process. Any student of law knows that, most basic, shiat. Hell, even a business major.

/not a lawyer

=========

His attorney is Evan Nappen, the top gun rights lawyer in New Jersey.   http://www.evannappen.com/    Seems a bit suspicious to me that gun-dad has Nappen's office on speed dial.....almost like he was expecting a visit from the cops.
 
2013-03-20 02:52:19 PM

willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

 
1.  The AR-15 line, which the rifle resembles, is the most popular rifle line in the country

2.  As an NRA instructor, the odds that the father owns an AR-15 or similar rifle approaches unity.
3.  .223/5.56 rifles are about the cheapest center-fire per shot going.  The rifle can withstand hundreds of thousands of rounds*.
4.  It's incredibly easy to field-strip and clean.  Not as easy as bolt actions, but it's pretty good for a semi-automatic rifle.  Where it's hard to clean it actually doesn't have to be cleaned.  ;)
5.  Is it really surprising that a kid might want a rifle like dads?
6.  Utilizing standard mounting points means that any tacticool stuff that dad has on his gun can easily be transferred to the kid's. Like if he gets an upgraded scope or something.
7.  .22LR is a lot cheaper than .223, but some adults don't think it's 'serious' enough for proper practice.

*Some hunting rifles will start wearing out under a thousand.  MOST rifles will take several thousand rounds easy, I've heard of AR's with MILLIONS through them though.

Elmo Jones: Other than that, they're exactly the same.


1.  You can get extended magazines for a Ruger 10/22.  Not sure what the capacity is on the OP picture, it might be 10, might be 15.  It's tough to make a reliable high capacity magazines for .22s because they're rimmed.
2.  .22LR isn't powerful enough to really shoot far enough to exploit the increase in capability for a scope, but the 10/22 comes tapped for one using traditional scope rings anyways, which is probably how they attached the scope rail
3.  So wouldn't sandbags.  Are you REALLY worried about somebody using a .22lr rifle as a sniper gun?
4.  Flash is already pretty much non-existent on a .22lr rifle.  There's not enough powder in the case to create flash at that distance.

SuperNinjaToad: ok seriously.. I kinda like guns and love shooting and I obviously have no issue with the 2nd amendment nor people owning firearms.. eventhough I don not care too much for NRA's politics nor some of the derp LaPierre spews being a member holds me no grudge...so what can someone like me benefit from an NRA membership if any?


There's a list of the discounts you can get with your NRA membership.  Plus you'd get to vote for what you'd consider sane directors and such.
 
2013-03-20 02:56:46 PM

jso2897: HeadLever: jso2897: So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.

The NRA actually had a hand in sinking Nixon's proposal to ban these weapons.  Just so you know....

That being said, there was some concern about their saftey.

They supported the ban up until 1970, then reversed themselves. It was never about safety.


Cite?
 
2013-03-20 03:02:27 PM

pudding7: Who are all these people that have "their lawyer" on retainer?

"I'm going to call my attorney!"
or
"Honey, go call our lawyer!"

Huh?  Do these people get in so much trouble that they have an attorney on speed-dial?


You never bought a house, made a will, set up a trust, did estate planning, fought a speeding ticket, or any of the other mundane things for which people use attorneys?

You don't know a lawyer from church, or an old school pal, or the guy that lives down the block? I know half a dozen just from Fark.

If you call any lawyer and say the cops and social services want to come in and search my house but they have no warrant what do you think that lawyer will say?
 
2013-03-20 03:04:41 PM

manimal2878: That said, are you a subscriber?  If so, help us out and post the relavant definitions.


Yes, I am a subscriber.

No I won't violate my license agreement and their copyright. If you want to see it I am sure your local library can assist you.
 
2013-03-20 03:06:12 PM

graeth: feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


And incompetence is scary; so all politicians should be banned on top of other people who think criminals will abide by laws.


That sounds like a great start.
 
2013-03-20 03:57:57 PM

MylesHeartVodak: Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?

This has probably been answered, but I couldn't get through more than half of the derp to check.

It does have a magazine.  From the factory, it comes with a 10-round helical magazine that fits flush with the stock.  Nothing pokes out.  The curved magazines in other photos are usually 25-round single stacks.


It's a special design that ruger uses called a rotary magazine, the bullets kind of coil withing the magazine.
 
2013-03-20 03:59:55 PM

feckingmorons: manimal2878: That said, are you a subscriber?  If so, help us out and post the relavant definitions.

Yes, I am a subscriber.

No I won't violate my license agreement and their copyright. If you want to see it I am sure your local library can assist you.


That would be completely within the realm of fair use.  But whatever, continue to be a condescending dick.
 
2013-03-20 04:09:19 PM

maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?


If you own any property worth protecting, or if you happen to not be an idiot, you have a lawyer.  I understand most people have to learn the hard way.

You don't have to keep them on retainer.  Most will take 100$ as permanent retainer, and many will accept your word to pay if you need their service.  (10:1 odds the first 60 seconds of that phone call included "I will charge you X per hour for this")

If you don't know a good attorney, find one and call him/her up and say "I don't need you today, but I might someday and I just wanted to introduce myself first".  Or something like that.  Then keep their number under ATTORNEY in your phone.
 
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