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2013-03-20 01:19:34 AM  

jso2897: EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: He's a sock puppet

Translation: "he's a conservative who beat me in an argument".

- but I can't decide who's.   He may even be yours  :O

Well look pal, it's not difficult at all to decide whose puppet I am: all you have to do is to string together several of your favourite lefty clichés and claim that I'm a paid operative of the Koch Brothers who is receiving money through FAUX NEWS via a financial subsidiary of Big Oil in conjunction with the Family Research Council, and getting a kickback from Fred Phelps on the side. There you go -- so don't keep expecting me to do your homework in future, OK?

Chillax - he's full of it. Believe me, you're no sock puppet of mine. And you want to consider yourself fortunate. You don't want to know what I use sock puppets for.


A child-friendly medium for explaining the basic tenants of firearm safety to youngsters?
 
2013-03-20 01:20:58 AM  

feckingmorons: elpresidenteALO: feckingmorons: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.

I'll take that deal. There's a sig mosquito at wild west I've had my eye on.


Oh, no I get to pick the guns. If it were that easy I'd take my own deal.


Query: What would you be hypothetically be willing to "donate"? I'm wondering what your criteria would be in choosing said firearm.
 
2013-03-20 01:21:37 AM  

feckingmorons: Well this has been loads of fun but I have to be at the range in 26 minutes.

As usual I won.


I think we all won here, tonight. It's threads like this that made America famous.
 
2013-03-20 01:21:39 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The NRA stands for the right of American citizens to bear and keep arms --

-- which is, of course, the only right that matters.


Hmm, I don't recall saying that... and I don't recall the NRA saying that, either. Are you sure you're not confusing the actual NRA with some kind of demoniacal nightmare group that exists only in your imagination?

The Democrats "crusading" about anything?  You'll sooner see the People's Front of Judea "crusading" about anything.

Dude, I love Monty Python as much as anyone, but if you don't believe that the Democratic Party engages in hysterical and self- righteous moral crusades then you are sadly delusional.
 
2013-03-20 01:22:46 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: He's a sock puppet

Translation: "he's a conservative who beat me in an argument".

- but I can't decide who's.   He may even be yours  :O

Well look pal, it's not difficult at all to decide whose puppet I am: all you have to do is to string together several of your favourite lefty clichés and claim that I'm a paid operative of the Koch Brothers who is receiving money through FAUX NEWS via a financial subsidiary of Big Oil in conjunction with the Family Research Council, and getting a kickback from Fred Phelps on the side. There you go -- so don't keep expecting me to do your homework in future, OK?


Hey, Happy Anniversary, by the way.  You aren't believable, you are too cartoonish.  There's only raving in your posts, with no real direction or convictions other than to be obnoxious.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:15 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lee Jackson Beauregard: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The NRA stands for the right of American citizens to bear and keep arms --

-- which is, of course, the only right that matters.

Hmm, I don't recall saying that... and I don't recall the NRA saying that, either. Are you sure you're not confusing the actual NRA with some kind of demoniacal nightmare group that exists only in your imagination?

The Democrats "crusading" about anything?  You'll sooner see the People's Front of Judea "crusading" about anything.

Dude, I love Monty Python as much as anyone, but if you don't believe that the Democratic Party engages in hysterical and self- righteous moral crusades then you are sadly delusional.


You write like an untalented H.P. Lovecraft who's gotten his dick caught in an out-of-control random adjective generator.
 
2013-03-20 01:27:35 AM  

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


You remind me of my old boss.  He used to show up at engineering meetings and say things like, "We need to encrypt our cloud computing so we can virtualize the SAN!"  See, he didn't actually know what any of those things were, but he wanted people to THINK he did, so he'd put together these awkwardly worded sentences in an attempt to sound intelligent.  And to the layman, it probably sounded fine.  But to the engineers who actually KNEW what those things were, he sounded like a blithering idiot.  Kind of like you did just now.
 
2013-03-20 01:30:03 AM  

mike_the_engineer: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

You remind me of my old boss.  He used to show up at engineering meetings and say things like, "We need to encrypt our cloud computing so we can virtualize the SAN!"  See, he didn't actually know what any of those things were, but he wanted people to THINK he did, so he'd put together these awkwardly worded sentences in an attempt to sound intelligent.  And to the layman, it probably sounded fine.  But to the engineers who actually KNEW what those things were, he sounded like a blithering idiot.  Kind of like you did just now.


That's why I thwart all you guys, and just call it the "holds the bullets thingie".
 
2013-03-20 01:30:05 AM  

70Ford: How this incredible amount of BS became greenlit... is a mystery.
[www.sawtbeirut.com image 428x460]

Good lord people, this is troll material.


That does NOT look like a troll.
 
2013-03-20 01:31:03 AM  
Who are all these people that have "their lawyer" on retainer?

"I'm going to call my attorney!"
or
"Honey, go call our lawyer!"

Huh?  Do these people get in so much trouble that they have an attorney on speed-dial?
 
2013-03-20 01:36:28 AM  
My son Jake at 3.  A born operator.

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-03-20 01:38:18 AM  

mike_the_engineer: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

You remind me of my old boss.  He used to show up at engineering meetings and say things like, "We need to encrypt our cloud computing so we can virtualize the SAN!"  See, he didn't actually know what any of those things were, but he wanted people to THINK he did, so he'd put together these awkwardly worded sentences in an attempt to sound intelligent.  And to the layman, it probably sounded fine.  But to the engineers who actually KNEW what those things were, he sounded like a blithering idiot.  Kind of like you did just now.


You know how I know you missed the issue entirely?

Here's the thing, given the issue at hand, it doesn't matter if it's a magazine or a clip, the result is the same.  A certain subset of the population always wants to make an issue of it every friggin time.  And they don't even know the definitive difference.

I'm back to my original question.  Why?
 
2013-03-20 01:53:57 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Who built upon the science and mathematics developed in Arabia, Persia, India and China.  These, in turn, built upon earlier work.


Specifics, please? I have to ask because we are nowadays being told a great deal of bullsh*t about all this, to be honest. For example, it has been claimed that algebra originated with the Muslim Arabs, simply because the word "algebra" itself is of Arabic origin; what is not so widely broadcast is that the practice of algebra as a mathematical discipline originated with the ancient Greeks, otherwise we would never have had the Pythagorean Theorem.

White people are the incumbent kings of the hill.  I'm not here to argue over whether we *should* be, and indeed I doubt that any other people would have been less nasty toward their fellow human beings; the trouble with white people is not that we're white but that we're people.

Your egalitarianism (being due to a misguided idealism) is commendable, but nevertheless it is in fact the case that "white people" are uniquely as a group being collectively blamed for their failings while not in the slightest receiving any collective credit for their considerable achievements. How do you reconcile this?

Beyond that, it simply isn't the case that all civilizations are equal -- some have managed to make much greater use of their intellectual, moral, and physical resources than others. The predominantly white civilization of Europe and North America, for example, has historically been far more open to the admission of outsiders than any other civilization in history -- which needless to say hasn't spared it from the reproach of hypocritical gobsh*tes who've claimed that it's in fact made up of the most racist and xenophobic people to have ever walked the earth,

That said, are we so insecure that we can't understand that we stand on the shoulders of giants, who in turn stand on the shoulders of other giants?  That we can't acknowledge that some day we shall meet our Waterloo, as Abbasid Arabia did at the hands of the Mongols?  That we can't hope that, when at last our number is up, some other civilization might continue our work?

Don't you get it? We -- the white people who have built Euro-American civilization -- are being blamed for the ills of the world without receiving any of the credit for having arrived at the myriad accomplishments that make our present society the freest and most pleasant to inhabit in human history. If our own civilization apparently contains the seeds of its own self- destruction -- in frantically embracing the extinction of its own population and the replacement of that population by another -- how can we have any hope that the future of humanity is going to be any brighter than what we see today?

White people like jso2897 have openly expressed a desire for the extinction of their race: but what if cultural traits are merely the expression of a deeper genetic reality, the same reality that has manifested itself in uniquely Western institutions such as universal suffrage, freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech?

This is a gun thread.  Where was gunpowder invented?

I don't understand the relevance. Are you seriously alleging that, because the Chinese invented gunpowder, they ought to have a privileged voice in the gun- control debate?
 
2013-03-20 02:02:05 AM  

jso2897: noitsnot: The San Jose PD kill somebody about every month (and I'm not really complaining)

Let's face it - there's too damn many people as it is.


Especially those people and you people.
 
2013-03-20 02:04:00 AM  

jso2897: You write like an untalented H.P. Lovecraft who's gotten his dick caught in an out-of-control random adjective generator.


Another meaningless non-answer... just string together several of the pop-culture references most beloved of neckbeards in a single sentence and pretend that you've thereby said something meaningful. --Anyway, I thought H.P, Lovecraft had already been outed as a white- supremacist and/or Nazi and was now persona non grata among you lot? Maybe you need to keep more up to date on your "unpersons" and update your hipster- asshole database accordingly.
 
2013-03-20 02:10:40 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Who built upon the science and mathematics developed in Arabia, Persia, India and China.  These, in turn, built upon earlier work.

Specifics, please? I have to ask because we are nowadays being told a great deal of bullsh*t about all this, to be honest. For example, it has been claimed that algebra originated with the Muslim Arabs, simply because the word "algebra" itself is of Arabic origin; what is not so widely broadcast is that the practice of algebra as a mathematical discipline originated with the ancient Greeks, otherwise we would never have had the Pythagorean Theorem.

White people are the incumbent kings of the hill.  I'm not here to argue over whether we *should* be, and indeed I doubt that any other people would have been less nasty toward their fellow human beings; the trouble with white people is not that we're white but that we're people.

Your egalitarianism (being due to a misguided idealism) is commendable, but nevertheless it is in fact the case that "white people" are uniquely as a group being collectively blamed for their failings while not in the slightest receiving any collective credit for their considerable achievements. How do you reconcile this?

Beyond that, it simply isn't the case that all civilizations are equal -- some have managed to make much greater use of their intellectual, moral, and physical resources than others. The predominantly white civilization of Europe and North America, for example, has historically been far more open to the admission of outsiders than any other civilization in history -- which needless to say hasn't spared it from the reproach of hypocritical gobsh*tes who've claimed that it's in fact made up of the most racist and xenophobic people to have ever walked the earth,

That said, are we so insecure that we can't understand that we stand on the shoulders of giants, who in turn stand on the shoulders of other giants?  That we can't acknowledge that some day we shall meet our Waterloo ...


You are now farkied as 'keepin' it real'.
 
2013-03-20 03:10:35 AM  

That_Bob_Guy: My son Jake at 3.  A born operator.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x640]


"That kid who pushed me off the swing at preschool is gonna pay!"
 
2013-03-20 04:04:09 AM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Or a baseball bat!  OMG!  He could club the whole school to death!
 
2013-03-20 04:08:38 AM  
By 7, had been hunting with my father many times. Don't see what the problem is. Someone derailing the pussification of America I guess.
 
2013-03-20 04:12:21 AM  

FormlessOne: skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.

This sounds far more likely - puffed-up PITA bragging about how he ran them guvmint people off, when more likely they came as part of a routine call, didn't find a problem, and left. Couple that with an attorney looking to drum up a little business, and we get this shiat.




Get used to the routine.
 
2013-03-20 04:14:24 AM  

willfullyobscure: remus: Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?

And when I see "that guy" on the highway, I know there's a million to one chance he's a douchebag who is a danger to himself and others, and I avoid him like the plague.

Prejudices exist for a reason. Rice out your car and chances are you're a dangerously stupid driver who doesn't know what they're doing. show up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context, and that's twice as true.

It means that more than likely, you do not understand your weapon, you do not understand guns in general and you shouldn't have one until you get clued in.


That's what I say about automobiles. Yet people still die.
 
2013-03-20 04:25:38 AM  

rohar: mike_the_engineer: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

You remind me of my old boss.  He used to show up at engineering meetings and say things like, "We need to encrypt our cloud computing so we can virtualize the SAN!"  See, he didn't actually know what any of those things were, but he wanted people to THINK he did, so he'd put together these awkwardly worded sentences in an attempt to sound intelligent.  And to the layman, it probably sounded fine.  But to the engineers who actually KNEW what those things were, he sounded like a blithering idiot.  Kind of like you did just now.

You know how I know you missed the issue entirely?

Here's the thing, given the issue at hand, it doesn't matter if it's a magazine or a clip, the result is the same.  A certain subset of the population always wants to make an issue of it every friggin time.  And they don't even know the definitive difference.

I'm back to my original question.  Why?




Noobs are proud to know it, experts bust balls about it and hoplophobes like to make a big deal out of it.

Which are you?

She was my first.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-20 04:27:55 AM  
Guess I better take that picture of my boy holding my 1897 Winchester 12 when he was 10 years old off my facebook.  Oh wait, he grew up and never killed anyone.
 
2013-03-20 04:36:40 AM  
My god...it's full of derp.
 
2013-03-20 04:46:06 AM  
www.troll.me
 
2013-03-20 06:22:48 AM  

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


The Pink Pistols would like a word with you.


Hillbilly Jim: sbking: Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well. Doesn't make sense? Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is. Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.

Can't tell if stupid or trolling.

/can be both I guess


But just to be safe, let's take away his computer, since people do not need computers.
 
2013-03-20 06:34:55 AM  
feckingmorons: manimal2878: Pedant much?

I believe you mean pedantic much?. Pedant is a person, pedantic is the act of being a pedant. Since you phrased it is a question with the predicate and subject understood [Are you] pedantic much? you have to use the adjectival form.   So, yes.

OED is a subscription only database, do you have a subscription? If not how can you judge the completeness of their definition?   Ah, yes, you are right. I mistook a website claiming to be an Oxford US dictionary as The Oxford English dictionary.  That said, are you a subscriber?  If so, help us out and post the relavant definitions.

I hope I have clarified all of your questions.
 
2013-03-20 06:37:15 AM  

lolpix: In academia, science, law, medicine, and high-tech fields we have a lot of words or specific usages that aren't commonly in the dictionary.


 Clip and magazine are not among those words.
 
2013-03-20 07:01:28 AM  
I was allowed to start learning how to safely handle firearms at 8 years old, after I was able to recite the 4 basic firearms safety rules from memory and could explain why each rule was important, starting with a ruger 10/22. After I showed my father and uncles that I could safely handle the little ones they let me start shooting the ar-15s and handguns when I was 9.

And do you know what it taught me? That guns can be very destructive if used improperly and should be treated with the respect any dangerous tool should elicit. It taught me to not "play" with them or stay around anyone else "played" with them. Seeing first hand how a single bullet from a hunting rifle made a watermelon explode was a fun but eye opening object lesson that I still remember.

We "Drown Proof" our children at a young age, teaching them to swim so they are safe if they ever fall in a pool. We teach 15 year olds how to drive cars. How is teaching your child how to respect and safely handle firearms under adult supervision any different?
 
2013-03-20 07:47:22 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: You write like an untalented H.P. Lovecraft who's gotten his dick caught in an out-of-control random adjective generator.

Another meaningless non-answer... just string together several of the pop-culture references most beloved of neckbeards in a single sentence and pretend that you've thereby said something meaningful. --Anyway, I thought H.P, Lovecraft had already been outed as a white- supremacist and/or Nazi and was now persona non grata among you lot? Maybe you need to keep more up to date on your "unpersons" and update your hipster- asshole database accordingly.


I remember you now - you are a classic racial paranoid, who is always casting aspersions on other ethnic groups, and compllaining about how you havwe been victimized. It surprises no one that you flip your shiat when anybody criticizes your imagined group, even in obvious jest. Your humorless paranoia is typical of people with persecution complexs, and none of your reactions are surprising. It is amusing, however, that you still insist that my goofing on youy and holding you up to ridicule is some sort of "serious" discussion - are you really so un-self-aware that you can't tell when you are being made fun of?
I am still half convinced that you are trolling me even harder than I am trolling you - it's really hard to believe that you could be serious.
 
2013-03-20 07:47:57 AM  

That_Bob_Guy: My son Jake at 3.  A born operator.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x640]


Late bloomer, huh?
 
2013-03-20 07:50:52 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm too lazy to scroll up and find the original post to reply to, so I'm adding on to yours:


Fark Tip:  If you click on the name of the farker being quoted (like the Jim_Callahan link above), your browser should open up a new tab or window and take you right to that post.
 
2013-03-20 07:51:17 AM  
Observe and record - those who point and yell the loudest about what their "race" have accomplished ( as if "races" accomplished things) are always the most inferior members of those "races", and those who have, themselves, accomplished nothing..
 
2013-03-20 07:58:38 AM  

fknra: I was allowed to start learning how to safely handle firearms at 8 years old, after I was able to recite the 4 basic firearms safety rules from memory and could explain why each rule was important, starting with a ruger 10/22. After I showed my father and uncles that I could safely handle the little ones they let me start shooting the ar-15s and handguns when I was 9.

And do you know what it taught me? That guns can be very destructive if used improperly and should be treated with the respect any dangerous tool should elicit. It taught me to not "play" with them or stay around anyone else "played" with them. Seeing first hand how a single bullet from a hunting rifle made a watermelon explode was a fun but eye opening object lesson that I still remember.

We "Drown Proof" our children at a young age, teaching them to swim so they are safe if they ever fall in a pool. We teach 15 year olds how to drive cars. How is teaching your child how to respect and safely handle firearms under adult supervision any different?


Actually, my opinion is that parents who avoid the subject entirely are doing their kids and themselves a big disservice.

If you don't like guns, hey, it's a free country.  That's fine.  But it behooves you as a parent to teach your about the potential dangers if they run across one, and there is no better program for that than the NRA's Eddie Eagle program.
 
2013-03-20 08:19:16 AM  

dittybopper: fknra: I was allowed to start learning how to safely handle firearms at 8 years old, after I was able to recite the 4 basic firearms safety rules from memory and could explain why each rule was important, starting with a ruger 10/22. After I showed my father and uncles that I could safely handle the little ones they let me start shooting the ar-15s and handguns when I was 9.

And do you know what it taught me? That guns can be very destructive if used improperly and should be treated with the respect any dangerous tool should elicit. It taught me to not "play" with them or stay around anyone else "played" with them. Seeing first hand how a single bullet from a hunting rifle made a watermelon explode was a fun but eye opening object lesson that I still remember.

We "Drown Proof" our children at a young age, teaching them to swim so they are safe if they ever fall in a pool. We teach 15 year olds how to drive cars. How is teaching your child how to respect and safely handle firearms under adult supervision any different?

Actually, my opinion is that parents who avoid the subject entirely are doing their kids and themselves a big disservice.

If you don't like guns, hey, it's a free country.  That's fine.  But it behooves you as a parent to teach your about the potential dangers if they run across one, and there is no better program for that than the NRA's Eddie Eagle program.


Whatever your feelings about guns, I think we should all be concerned about the woeful lack of training our society gives young people on how to handle dangerous tools. As we gravitate to a more urban environment, kids don't learn gun safety. As we eliminate shop and craft classes iun school, kids are not taught to respect and fear power tools as they should - or indeed, how to do anything with their hands at all. Yes - there are "programs" out there, but increasingly, they are "opt-in" deals that one must go out of ones way to seek.

We still make half-assed attempts to teach kids driving safety - when and where there is any money for it, and the programs still exist. - but from what I hear, drivers education is a weak shadow of what it once was. When I was a kid, you had to actually demonstrate that you could operate an automobile safely to pass - no more, in most places.
The idea that our kids will somehow never need these skills, and knowledge because they are going to be college educated professionals or some shiat is a snare and a delusion, and one we embrace at our own and our children's peril.
 
2013-03-20 08:33:20 AM  
OMG a young boy with a killer assault weapon!!!  Oh the humanity!

Freaking goddamn retards.  When will this stupid shiat end.
 
2013-03-20 08:42:20 AM  

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.



And incompetence is scary; so all politicians should be banned on top of other people who think criminals will abide by laws.
 
2013-03-20 08:43:19 AM  
When I was that age, I would take a .22 rifle and box of ammo in a backpack, and bike along a US highway with no shoulder for about four miles out of town (wearing no helmet), and shoot the hell out of everything at the city dump (a place people just dumped their shiat--- I am sure it is a superfund biohazard site by now).

I doubt my father ever voted Republican.  It is just what we did.

/I don't own any guns now, FWIW.

Looking back on it, I find it more shocking that I biked along that highway.
 
2013-03-20 08:43:25 AM  

pudding7: Who are all these people that have "their lawyer" on retainer?

"I'm going to call my attorney!"
or
"Honey, go call our lawyer!"

Huh?  Do these people get in so much trouble that they have an attorney on speed-dial?


Anyone with kids in the US should have an attorney, if only to draw up your will.  (You want the will for setting up guardianship, so if you both die, your kids won't have to deal with Child Services morons like the one in the article).

Heck, I've got a lawyer, and I AM a lawyer.

Now, your will-drafting guy probably isn't a criminal defense lawyer, but he can make overly-intrusive officials hold the line until the appropriate expert arrives, if necessary.
 
2013-03-20 08:44:05 AM  

computerguyUT: OMG a young boy with a killer assault weapon!!!  Oh the humanity!

Freaking goddamn retards.  When will this stupid shiat end.


I wouldn't worry about it too much - if you read between the hyperbole, here's what happened - A guy somehow made an enemy of an asshole neighbor, who found an excuse to drop a dime on him. An overworked, stressed out, and probably not-very-bright social worker, acting on misinformation, tried to overstep her bounds. The cops showed up and would have none of it, and nothing happened.
That's actually the story, and it's pretty mundane. I don't think the black helicopters will be landing oin our lawns just yet.
 
2013-03-20 08:48:19 AM  

PunGent: pudding7: Who are all these people that have "their lawyer" on retainer?

"I'm going to call my attorney!"
or
"Honey, go call our lawyer!"

Huh?  Do these people get in so much trouble that they have an attorney on speed-dial?

Anyone with kids in the US should have an attorney, if only to draw up your will.  (You want the will for setting up guardianship, so if you both die, your kids won't have to deal with Child Services morons like the one in the article).

Heck, I've got a lawyer, and I AM a lawyer.

Now, your will-drafting guy probably isn't a criminal defense lawyer, but he can make overly-intrusive officials hold the line until the appropriate expert arrives, if necessary.


I'm curious - why would you recommend to any client with children  that they have a will rather than a living trust? (I mean, other than the basic pour-over will that is part of a living trust)
Not arguing - just curious.
 
2013-03-20 08:59:11 AM  
No crime, no warrant, no jurisdiction.

This is what the Revolution was about.

http://www.zazzle.com/citizen_obey_tees-235193210165625958
 
2013-03-20 09:03:38 AM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


Parents that are involved with their kids' upbringing generally don't stray off the straight and narrow. But keep farking that chicken and see how far it gets you.
 
2013-03-20 09:03:58 AM  

That Magnificent Bastard!: no jurisdiction


No crime
No warrant
But it's clearly in their jurisdiction.
...and the left when told to.

The Revolution was not about government officials leaving without entering the home.
 
2013-03-20 09:11:09 AM  

jso2897: computerguyUT: OMG a young boy with a killer assault weapon!!!  Oh the humanity!

Freaking goddamn retards.  When will this stupid shiat end.

I wouldn't worry about it too much - if you read between the hyperbole, here's what happened - A guy somehow made an enemy of an asshole neighbor, who found an excuse to drop a dime on him. An overworked, stressed out, and probably not-very-bright social worker, acting on misinformation, tried to overstep her bounds. The cops showed up and would have none of it, and nothing happened.
That's actually the story, and it's pretty mundane. I don't think the black helicopters will be landing oin our lawns just yet.


This.

I'm a foster parent, and I've actually seen that happen.  One of my placements was a boy who was not quite 2 years old yet.  Social Services gave us the background:  Kid was living in a hotel room with Mom, "concerned family member" called CPS about the kid having bruises, and the fact that Mom was at a party at some point (details were pretty vague about that).

CPS shows up, sees kid actually does have bruises, and pulls him out based on suspicion of child abuse.

After he was in our care for all of 30 minutes, it became obvious why the kid had bruises:  He was a natural daredevil.  He *LOVED* jumping off of high places, and he had only two speeds:  Flank, and All Stop.  Natural born athlete.

It turns out that the "concerned family member" almost certainly knew all this, and still called CPS because of a personal spat with the Mom.  It took a month for the mother to get her son back, and even then she was under the microscope of Social Services for a while.

Nothing happened to the family member who called CPS, which pisses me off to no end.  Even the judge recognized it was an injustice, but the system isn't set up to punish those who abuse it for personal ends.
 
2013-03-20 09:12:53 AM  

vygramul: That Magnificent Bastard!: no jurisdiction

No crime
No warrant
But it's clearly in their jurisdiction.
...and the left when told to.

The Revolution was not about government officials leaving without entering the home.


They should never have been there. If the guy did not know his rights, they would have searched his home. Why should law abiding citizens be harassed?
 
2013-03-20 09:14:24 AM  

vygramul: That Magnificent Bastard!: no jurisdiction

No crime
No warrant
But it's clearly in their jurisdiction.
...and the left when told to.

The Revolution was not about government officials leaving without entering the home.


This guy knew he could say "No".

How many don't know that?  Almost certainly the majority.  Hell, I wonder if I would have the spine to say "No".  I would hope that I do, but what about the distaffbopper?
 
2013-03-20 09:19:18 AM  

dittybopper: vygramul: That Magnificent Bastard!: no jurisdiction

No crime
No warrant
But it's clearly in their jurisdiction.
...and the left when told to.

The Revolution was not about government officials leaving without entering the home.

This guy knew he could say "No".

How many don't know that?  Almost certainly the majority.  Hell, I wonder if I would have the spine to say "No".  I would hope that I do, but what about the distaffbopper?


Well, so long as all the people with spines don't have government officials entering their homes, there won't be a Revolution.
 
2013-03-20 09:22:48 AM  
You should absolutely have a right to know who calls the cops on you. A person should be held liable here.
 
2013-03-20 09:26:43 AM  

jso2897: PunGent: pudding7: Who are all these people that have "their lawyer" on retainer?

"I'm going to call my attorney!"
or
"Honey, go call our lawyer!"

Huh?  Do these people get in so much trouble that they have an attorney on speed-dial?

Anyone with kids in the US should have an attorney, if only to draw up your will.  (You want the will for setting up guardianship, so if you both die, your kids won't have to deal with Child Services morons like the one in the article).

Heck, I've got a lawyer, and I AM a lawyer.

Now, your will-drafting guy probably isn't a criminal defense lawyer, but he can make overly-intrusive officials hold the line until the appropriate expert arrives, if necessary.

I'm curious - why would you recommend to any client with children  that they have a will rather than a living trust? (I mean, other than the basic pour-over will that is part of a living trust)
Not arguing - just curious.


Good question, and that varies by state, and by the anticipated assets.  Some states, you need the will ALSO, just for the guardianship provisions, I believe.

I just focus on Mass. residential real estate; you should be able to get at least a free consultation in your area.  Don't be afraid to get a second opinion, either.  And, if you can't find a free consult, do some research on your own, so you know what questions to ask while the 'meter' is running.

At the end of the day, for most middle-class and up estates, it's complex enough that it's usually worth spending $500 or $1000 for a competent professional to do it right.  And let your next of kin know who to contact, in a worst-case scenario.

You CAN download stuff off the net and file it yourself...problem is, you won't know if it's flawed until way too late.

An attorney screws up, at least your kids have someone to sue...
 
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