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2013-03-19 11:16:41 PM

NephilimNexus: Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.


arago4.tnw.utwente.nl

"I'll have the lot."


Why "decide" when can have everything on the menu?
 
2013-03-19 11:16:57 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


Stop being goofy, troll.  Blues, Jazz, and Rock all came from black people.  Scottish Gaels - what the hell is that supposed to be?  Next you'll be saying it was aliens.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:22 PM

real_headhoncho: feckingmorons: real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.

Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.

Trouble is these farks don't take NO for an answer.


FTFA: After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing."

Sounds like she took NO for an answer to me.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:42 PM

schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?


Cosmo is a magazine and a cocktail.
 
2013-03-19 11:18:50 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
[cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com image 590x300]


Oh really? Where does the 18 round magazine go in that one?

Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.
 
2013-03-19 11:19:31 PM

feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.


You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-03-19 11:20:37 PM

rohar: You see, the term "magazine" predates cartridges. If your assertion was were true, this wouldn't be possible. Wanna try again?


English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:31 PM

schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?


Almost.  The belt is not important.  The box you store the belt in is a magazine.  All clips are magazines, however, not all magazines are clips.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:37 PM

HeadLever: jso2897: This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?

Dude, get that hook out of your lip.


Hey - the first rule of the Perpetual Victims Club is that you never talk about the Perpetual Victims Club.
I the troll admits that he knows he's being trolled by the trolls he's trolling - well, that would be like dividing by zero - especially when it's in a troll thread about a troll blog to begin with.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:53 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]


OK, then they are both assault rifles, and should both be banned. Satisfied?

We don't want to ban guns that are "scary looking." We want to ban guns that can fire many rounds and high accuracy and high velocity without having to stop to reload.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:43 PM

Tommy Moo: Oh really? Where does the 18 round magazine go in that one?


In the receptacle for the magazine, commonly called the magazine well. Exactly where it goes in every other rifle of that type.

Incidentally, if a rifle with a standard-capacity magazine equates to mass murder, we should all be dead. Your bombastic rhetoric is nonsense. Also, since you brought up hunting, feel free to cite the Hunting clause of the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:45 PM

HeadLever: jaytkay: Logical fallacies?

Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?

Yep, about 50 of them


Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened?  Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story?  Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?
 
2013-03-19 11:22:52 PM

Tommy Moo: Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


Did your parents have any kids that lived?
 
2013-03-19 11:22:58 PM

feckingmorons: schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?

Cosmo is a magazine and a cocktail.


do they have cocktails just below the galley on a submarine? are there springs in the galley? this is important...
 
2013-03-19 11:23:53 PM

feckingmorons: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.


Sure.  It's a belt fed rifle.  The definition of a magazine I posted above.  While the term magazine is used and applicable in many instances, when talking about the magazine of an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon", calling a belt from an ammo can a magazine isn't applicable unless the ammo can is specifically attached to the firearm.  Which in the picture, the ammo can is not attached therefore should not be considered a magazine.
 
2013-03-19 11:24:57 PM

manimal2878: HeadLever: jaytkay: Logical fallacies?

Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?

Yep, about 50 of them

Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened?  Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story?  Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?


I think we've already covered that - if we push it any farther, we are likely to be informed that we are probably a blast at parties. Sarcastically.
 
2013-03-19 11:25:13 PM
Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?
 
2013-03-19 11:25:21 PM
There are poeple who will never believe this even if Eric Holder tapdances across CNN and says it happened just they way it has been reported. They think anyone who has a gun must be insane and can't possibly remember what happened for the children.

Then there are the rest of us, we know it costs a buck for one round of 9mm, we know that Senators are trying to ban guns because they are scary looking, we know that some legislatures like NY and Colorado have already passed laws to restrict he size of magazines we can own - which truly means nothing as I can shoot 60 bullets in one or 20 bullets in 3 or 10 bullets in six all under 30 seconds. We all know that we can add more and more laws, but criminals won't care, they're criminals after all. What we need is comprehensive mental health care. It will help those like Adam Lanza, and many of the gun banning crowd.
 
2013-03-19 11:25:33 PM

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.



I'll drink to that!
 
2013-03-19 11:25:40 PM

titwrench: When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same.



That's a 10 round magazine?
WTF?
 
2013-03-19 11:25:56 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


Fark you, asshole.
 
2013-03-19 11:26:16 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


Actually in that context, the box is the magazine.  The literal definition of magazine is essentially "a container for things that are mostly the same."  It is derived from the old french for storehouse.  A clip is not a magazine because the bullets are not held inside the clip.
 
2013-03-19 11:26:39 PM

John Buck 41: Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?


it depends, was she on a submarine at the time?
 
2013-03-19 11:27:13 PM

Tommy Moo: Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


When do these have to be mutually exclusive.  Some of my type of hunting has a bag limit of more than one.  Wolves, squirrels, rockchucks, praire dogs, rabbits, etc.  While bolt action guns are definatly good in these circumstances, so is a semi auto with higher magazine capacities.
 
2013-03-19 11:27:34 PM
There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.
 
2013-03-19 11:27:36 PM

BGates: A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.


No, it's not.  Buy an actual dictionary.
 
2013-03-19 11:28:32 PM

rohar: feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.


Except that the stripper clip that the ammo is loaded on is not intrinsic to the firearm.  It is placed on the top of the firearm and is not used in firing the firearm.  The clip is generally used to speed load the internal magazine of the firearm so that the firearm can be fired.
 
2013-03-19 11:29:18 PM

Tommy Moo: Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


But that is simply not true. I own a fully automatic weapon that can hold 60 rounds in the magazine and yet I've never committed one murder, much less mass murder. There are hundreds of millions of magazines in this country and yet very few mentally ill people commit mass murder. The proportion is infinitesimally small. If we compared the proportion of lawn mowers to deaths from lawn mowers and legislated solely on percentages we would all have to get sheep.
 
2013-03-19 11:29:51 PM

jmr61: There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.


Links to the Blaze and a shaitty blog?  The Hell you say!
 
2013-03-19 11:29:53 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


I don't know this thread devolved to this, but Led Zeppelin's attorney wants you to shut the Hell up.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:06 PM

manimal2878: Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened? Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story? Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?


yep.  Source chosen for your specific bent.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:19 PM

rohar: schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?

Almost.  The belt is not important.  The box you store the belt in is a magazine.  All clips are magazines, however, not all magazines are clips.


The belt is very important.  A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:24 PM

jso2897: I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves,


Aww jso2897, I didn't realize you were black! That "albino" stuff is straight out of the Nation of Islam playbook. Now look, your being black rather than a cringing self- hating white liberal means that, while you're still full of sh*t, I can at least respect you as a human being because -- like me -- you are willing to stand up for your own people.

Some free science advice is in order though pal: white people aren't the same as albinos; albinism also exists among black populations in Africa, where incidentally the severed body parts of albinos are in high demand by African medicine men -- though perhaps you'd say that they are merely combatting "white privilege"...

and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Michelangelo, da Vinci, Raphael, Descartes, Kant, Hume, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Eliot, Yeats, Pasteur, Edison, Ford, etc. etc. etc., and others far too numerous to mention, are even greater accomplishments of ours -- far more so than the cheap stereotypes of some idiotic movie you saw on TV; these are the people whose contributions have made it possible for you to live your life of comfort and prosperity, and to have the freedom to type moronic anti- White screeds on the internet.

It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?).

? I don't have a milkman, and the meter reading is now done remotely... so what the hell are you talking about, exactly? And is there anyone alive on this earth with the name "Leotis"?!?

So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. And when I say chips, I mean "chips ahoy".

This is meaningless drivel. Well OK, everything you've written so far has been meaningless drivel, but this is even more so.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:35 PM

Elmo Jones: titwrench: When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same.


That's a 10 round magazine?
WTF?


They make a 25 round that looks similar and a 50 round drum for that particular rifle that fits regardless of the "styling" of the rifle but the one that comes with that kit is a 10 round magazine made to look cool.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:47 PM

schoolbread: John Buck 41: Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?

it depends, was she on a submarine at the time?


Sorry. Reference escapes me.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:59 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.

Except that the stripper clip that the ammo is loaded on is not intrinsic to the firearm.  It is placed on the top of the firearm and is not used in firing the firearm.  The clip is generally used to speed load the internal magazine of the firearm so that the firearm can be fired.


Assuming the cartridge can be fed to the breach without the "clip" it's not a clip at all, simply a magazine.

Given all of this discussion, I have to ask.  What do you see as the definitive difference between the superset magazine, and the subset clip?
 
2013-03-19 11:31:10 PM

feckingmorons: There are poeple who will never believe this even if Eric Holder tapdances across CNN and says it happened just they way it has been reported. They think anyone who has a gun must be insane and can't possibly remember what happened for the children.

Then there are the rest of us, we know it costs a buck for one round of 9mm, we know that Senators are trying to ban guns because they are scary looking, we know that some legislatures like NY and Colorado have already passed laws to restrict he size of magazines we can own - which truly means nothing as I can shoot 60 bullets in one or 20 bullets in 3 or 10 bullets in six all under 30 seconds. We all know that we can add more and more laws, but criminals won't care, they're criminals after all. What we need is comprehensive mental health care. It will help those like Adam Lanza, and many of the gun banning crowd.


I don't think anybody doubts that in a nation of 350 million people, that a nosy neighbor may have dropped a dime and an overzealous social worker made an ass of themselves to no avail, and nothing happened.
I do think that some of us are a tad amused at the universal conclusions being drawn by some of America's latest and loudest group of perpetual victims.
 
2013-03-19 11:31:39 PM

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.

Correct. My argument is about style. A Model 70 can pierce an armored car. A Tikka T3 is a better sniper platform than anything the military uses. A Marlin 60 holds fifteen rounds and can be reloaded in 3 seconds(with a tube). None of these guns look like an AR-15 because they are purpose built- they are not fashion accessories. Guns should not be fashion accessories. We give up nothing by losing these tactifool firearms except the gun nut fantasy world of FEMA camps and Rambo wannabes.

My argument is that people who buy firearms in order to pretend they are bad ass Navy Ranger specops BUDS paratroopeals are fools, and we should not suffer fools gladly, because we do not want to live in a society where the civilian apes military dress, military manners, and so on.

You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?



attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com

Why yes, yes I do, as a matter of fact.

Why do you ask?
 
2013-03-19 11:32:08 PM

BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

Sure.  It's a belt fed rifle.  The definition of a magazine I posted above.  While the term magazine is used and applicable in many instances, when talking about the magazine of an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon", calling a belt from an ammo can a magazine isn't applicable unless the ammo can is specifically attached to the firearm.  Which in the picture, the ammo can is not attached therefore should not be ...


I'm not really clear what your point is? I'm not really clear that you have a point. You can call it whatever you wish. Those of us who know the correct terms will use them. When the media who are supposed to be able to research and report accurately use the wrong terms we will think they are failing to meet their professional obligation of journalistic integrity. Well, we already think that so call them any thing you wish. Bullet keeper thingy, feel free to use that.
 
2013-03-19 11:32:21 PM

BGates: The belt is very important. A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.



And yet the dictionary still defines the can as a magazine.  Odd huh?
 
2013-03-19 11:33:20 PM

Tommy Moo: Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]

OK, then they are both assault rifles, and should both be banned. Satisfied?

We don't want to ban guns that are "scary looking." We want to ban guns that can fire many rounds and high accuracy and high velocity without having to stop to reload.


Yeah, think of all the people that have died because of bayonet lugs, pistol grips. Never mind the fact that things like bayonets are still legal to buy and own in all 50 states, and holding a weapon in a specific way doesn't cause the bullets any more deadly,
 
2013-03-19 11:34:43 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves,

Aww jso2897, I didn't realize you were black! That "albino" stuff is straight out of the Nation of Islam playbook. Now look, your being black rather than a cringing self- hating white liberal means that, while you're still full of sh*t, I can at least respect you as a human being because -- like me -- you are willing to stand up for your own people.

Some free science advice is in order though pal: white people aren't the same as albinos; albinism also exists among black populations in Africa, where incidentally the severed body parts of albinos are in high demand by African medicine men -- though perhaps you'd say that they are merely combatting "white privilege"...

and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Michelangelo, da Vinci, Raphael, Descartes, Kant, Hume, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Eliot, Yeats, Pasteur, Edison, Ford, etc. etc. etc., and others far too numerous to mention, are even greater accomplishments of ours -- far more so than the cheap stereotypes of some idiotic movie you saw on TV; these are the people whose contributions have made it possible for you to live your life of comfort and prosperity, and to have the freedom to type moronic anti- White screeds on the internet.

It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?).

? I don't have a milkman, and the meter reading is now done remotely... so what the hell are you talking about, exactly? And is there anyone alive on this earth with the name "Leotis"?!?

So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. ...


You actually think I am black, and serious? OK. I apologize. I'm being mean, and I am quitting right now.
I didn't really think it was possible that you were this stupid.
I feel like an asshole, now - I've been goofing on an actual retard.
 
2013-03-19 11:34:58 PM

jmr61: There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.


I am betting that it probably is.

So far we have Huff Po, Yahoo,  Washington Post, and even MSN getting on the bandwagon.

Always amused by those that stick thier head in the sand when these types of stories come out.
 
2013-03-19 11:35:20 PM

HeadLever: manimal2878: Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened? Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story? Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?

yep.  Source chosen for your specific bent.


Oh, crap HuffPO has it!

Retreat, retreat, retreat,

Argue about meanings of words! Talk about music styles.... anything..... confuse them until we can come up with some other canard.
 
2013-03-19 11:35:45 PM

rohar: BGates: The belt is very important. A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.


And yet the dictionary still defines the can as a magazine.  Odd huh?


But the pants fall down without the belt.
 
2013-03-19 11:36:28 PM

jso2897: I do think that some of us are a tad amused at the universal conclusions being drawn by some of America's latest and loudest group of perpetual victims.


What conclusion is that?
 
2013-03-19 11:36:53 PM

HeadLever: So far we have Huff Po, Yahoo, Washington Post, and even MSN getting on the bandwagon.


All of which only have the one guy's side of the story.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:02 PM

jso2897: You actually think I am black, and serious?


What race are you, if you don't mind me asking?
 
2013-03-19 11:37:06 PM

Mr. Eugenides: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Actually in that context, the box is the magazine.  The literal definition of magazine is essentially "a container for things that are mostly the same."  It is derived from the old french for storehouse.  A clip is not a magazine because the bullets are not held inside the clip.


In the context we are speaking, you are wrong.  We are talking magazines which are used to rapid fire a firearm.

Magazine has many definitions.  It can be a stack of paper glued together also.  But that doesn't pertain to the conversation now does it.

Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:25 PM

jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.


Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.
 
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