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2013-03-19 10:44:45 PM

People_are_Idiots: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.

So does this...
[www.airsoft-gun-info.com image 480x360]

And this...
[www.fairchildgiftcompany.com image 640x390]

Even this...
[www.airsoftmagic.com image 300x301]

They has full auto capabilities, can fire 100+ rounds, some have clips... are they assault weapons?

/hint: they're -all- BB guns.


So, can it fire those deadly armor-piercing BBs?
 
2013-03-19 10:45:23 PM

jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic".



Well semi-automatic rifles are not automatic rifles so those people are wrong. This is black and white. If you have a rifle that reloads itself after a shot is fired it can be on of two things, automatic or semi-automatic. The fact that some people don't know the difference does not make them correct, it makes them look like idiots.
 
2013-03-19 10:46:59 PM
Nappen, Moore's attorney, told the Blaze more details about the ordeal.

I suddenly have doubts that this actually happened for some reason.
 
2013-03-19 10:47:46 PM

rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.


It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.
 
2013-03-19 10:48:13 PM

jaytkay: Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.


We are.  The folks were told no, they could not enter the house and they ended up being denied.  Pretty amusing outcome,even if the backing situation is beyond dumb.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:29 PM

jso2897: jaytkay: feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.

Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense

Dude - nobody actually thinks that Cletus' little blog tale actually went down the way he said it did, and nobody cares. It's a good story, and this is Fark.com - where it's all about the narrative.
Anyway, you can prove practically anything with facts - facts are a crutch for weak minded people.
Pussy.



I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:43 PM

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


Rule of thumb is: Magazine feeds the chamber, a clip feeds the magazine.
 
2013-03-19 10:50:15 PM
guns, cars, and sex are wrong to teach children to handle responsibly.

It's better to pretend these things don't exist.
 
2013-03-19 10:51:38 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters


The music that we stole from black people?
 
2013-03-19 10:52:13 PM

jaytkay: War criminal!!


Terrorists!!


2nd Amendment hero!!
 


One difference in those pictures is child number three doesn't have his finger on the trigger.
 
2013-03-19 10:52:19 PM

feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.


Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

upload.wikimedia.org

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?
 
2013-03-19 10:52:41 PM

Scrotastic Method: fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.

Common? No. Happens during politically-charged riots? Sometimes. Always illegal? Yes. Are they getting away with it? Not so much any more.

https://www.baycitizen.org/news/policing/two-oakland-officers-discip li ned-over/


A thirty day paid suspension, still pending appeal, is pretty much getting away with it.

However, I saw Officers do this when I lived in Oakland, years before there was any Occupy movement.
 
2013-03-19 10:53:16 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters


I wasn't going to bleat "Waaaah, racism", honest. I never accuse anybody of "racism" here on Fark, and never will. It's something that only punks do, if you hear what I'm saying to you, bro.
I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves, and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them. It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?). So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. And when I say chips, I mean "chips ahoy".
 
2013-03-19 10:53:31 PM

Elmo Jones: Odd.
"Exactly the same" with a different magazine capacity.
I imagine the scope would allow greater accuracy from a greater distance.
The stand would allow a steadier shot, from a fixed position.
The flash suppressor would suppress flashes.
The magazine would allow for a higher capacity.

Other than that, they're exactly the same.


The magazine capacity is the same it is just styled to look like it holds more than the stock magazine.
The scope does not effect the capabilities of the gun only the shooter. With the effective range of that rifle if you aren't proficient with the stock iron sights a scope isn't going to help you much.
Same with the bipod. Not going to help you much.
Not a lot of muzzle flash with a .22 so that is essentially cosmetic.
When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same. A shooter is not going to benefit much from the changes. It's the same as putting an SI badge on a stock Honda Civic or racing stripes on a Smart Car.
 
2013-03-19 10:55:09 PM

HeadLever: jaytkay: Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

We are.  The folks were told no, they could not enter the house and they ended up being denied.  Pretty amusing outcome,even if the backing situation is beyond dumb.


Yes, this story would be just as interesting if the picture had been of the child skydiving or juggling chainsaws or something else that requires adult supervision. Some people just won't believe it because it involves a firearm.
 
2013-03-19 10:55:33 PM

feckingmorons: jso2897: jaytkay: feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.

Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense

Dude - nobody actually thinks that Cletus' little blog tale actually went down the way he said it did, and nobody cares. It's a good story, and this is Fark.com - where it's all about the narrative.
Anyway, you can prove practically anything with facts - facts are a crutch for weak minded people.
Pussy.


I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.


I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I can't let you post that, Dave.
 
2013-03-19 10:56:23 PM

feckingmorons: I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.


Meh, actually we do believe you say these things.
 
2013-03-19 10:57:21 PM

jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic". They may even use the terms clip and magazine interchangeably.


... but they're wrong to do so, and those people in favour of gun control who can't even be bothered to get their basic firearms terms straightened out cannot be expected to have their opinions on the subject of firearms taken seriously. This is especially the case when it comes to nonsensical talk about banning "assault weapons", which are already so severely restricted as to be practically non-existent.

So Sarah Palin is President.


Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?  "OMG YOU CALLED US ON OUR BULLSH*T, THEREFORE WE WILL IRONICALLY SAY THAT SARAH PALIN IS PRESIDENT AND HOPE THAT OUR BULLSH*T IS DROWNED OUT BY OUR SELF- CONGRATULATORY LAUGHTER".

And murdering a classroom of first graders is totally cool.

Oh, a right-wing person said this? I'm afraid it's [Citation Needed] time, you poor brainwashed bastard.
 
2013-03-19 11:00:30 PM

jso2897: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters

I wasn't going to bleat "Waaaah, racism", honest. I never accuse anybody of "racism" here on Fark, and never will. It's something that only punks do, if you hear what I'm saying to you, ...


Are you trolling, a black supremacist, or something else? I'm just confused right now.
 
2013-03-19 11:01:20 PM

feckingmorons: Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.


Can we lie, push in the door, and say you consented anyway?  YES

Google "knock-and-talk."
 
2013-03-19 11:01:38 PM
When we were kids about 10 years old in the late 50's early 60's my dad would bring home a BAR from ARMY reserves on the weekends and we would go target shooting in the strip-mines, the tracers were my favorite. they wouldn't let him bring home a bazooka but he did get us a live shell for one.
 
2013-03-19 11:02:46 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic". They may even use the terms clip and magazine interchangeably.

... but they're wrong to do so, and those people in favour of gun control who can't even be bothered to get their basic firearms terms straightened out cannot be expected to have their opinions on the subject of firearms taken seriously. This is especially the case when it comes to nonsensical talk about banning "assault weapons", which are already so severely restricted as to be practically non-existent.

So Sarah Palin is President.

Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?  "OMG YOU CALLED US ON OUR BULLSH*T, THEREFORE WE WILL IRONICALLY SAY THAT SARAH PALIN IS PRESIDENT AND HOPE THAT OUR BULLSH*T IS DROWNED OUT BY OUR SELF- CONGRATULATORY LAUGHTER".

And murdering a classroom of first graders is totally cool.

Oh, a right-wing person said this? I'm afraid it's [Citation Needed] time, you poor brainwashed bastard.


To answer your first question, our liberal friends all think that they're Jon Stewart and Colbert and totally making salient points by using logical fallacies. Worst comes to worst, they'll just resort to the "muh feelings!" argument when they're cornered.
 
2013-03-19 11:02:46 PM

rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?


Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.
 
2013-03-19 11:03:21 PM
"Do you know why Americans love guns, Mr. Hertz? And it's got nothing to do with all that phallic mumbo-jumbo, "cockin' your gun." No, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity, where a poor man can become rich, and a pussy can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand."
 
2013-03-19 11:04:06 PM

FlashHarry: Noticeably F.A.T.: Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics.

i have no problem with cosmetics. accessorize away! i mean, if a guy wants to play army and pretend that he's a badass, i'm fine with it. i personally think it's kind of juvenile. but i agree; banning guns based on pure cosmetics is silly and wrong.

but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever). you can create a magazine that looks like a 30-round version so you can still play army.


Just shut the fark up.
 
2013-03-19 11:04:13 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.
 
2013-03-19 11:05:12 PM

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Absofarkinglutely.

I get lots of Facebook crap from some of my more right-wing friends who think Obama wants to take everyone's guns.  I don't think Obama necessarily does.  I *do* think it's the bottom-feeder, busy-body types like this that want to take your guns.  FOR TEH CHILDRENS.

F*ck the lot of 'em.  ESPECIALLY if they think they can bully their way into someone's home!  And all they end up doing is giving "gun nut" conspiracy theorists more (no pun intended) ammunition.
 
2013-03-19 11:06:15 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?


Because they are poor at providing arguments that have any amount of fact.  Therefore, it must be trollish.
 
2013-03-19 11:06:53 PM

Frank N Stein: logical fallacies


Logical fallacies?

I agreed with you people.

1) Libs are misusing the terms "clip" and "magazine". They confuse "semi-auto" with "auto".
2) Therefore legal restrictions on firearms are unconstitutional.

Case closed.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:18 PM

fnordfocus: feckingmorons: Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.

Can we lie, push in the door, and say you consented anyway?  YES

Google "knock-and-talk."


While I am sure there are some bad cops (like the moose murderers) the vast majority are good, hardworking people.

Yes, knock and talk is a great investigative tool. However if people wish to invite the police into their house they should be certain there is nothing illegal going on that the police could see. There is never any benefit in talking to the police. I've posted this 45 minute video before, but this seems like a good time to post it again: Don't Talk to the Police.

I was a cop in a major metropolitan area in Florida. We always said, admit nothing, deny everything and get an attorney. That is what cops do, you should do it to.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:42 PM
So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?
 
2013-03-19 11:08:10 PM

Frank N Stein: liberal friends all think that they're Jon Stewart and Colbert


And they think Stewart and Colbert are news programs.
 
2013-03-19 11:08:27 PM

noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?


We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.
 
2013-03-19 11:08:33 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.


The box is not a magazine.  It's an ammo can.  A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.  Since it isn't attached, it's not a magazine.

Heed your own advise dumbass.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:09 PM

FlashHarry: but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever).


But that isn't cosmetic it is functional.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:50 PM

GUTSU: Are you trolling, a black supremacist, or something else? I'm just confused right now.


I am just giving the (stupid) people what they want - and what they want is to feel both superior, and victimized. How else could anyone take any of the "race" shiat that gets posted on Fark seriously?

And revealing which false construct you think of as a "race" I belong to would spoil the fun.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:54 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


The same reason why you wouldn't let them in your house, or let them search your papers, possessions, or premises.

Of course, now you're going to tell us that you're the only person in America without anything to hide, and you'd let anybody rummage through your life with impunity simply because they flash a badge or claim some sort of authority.
 
2013-03-19 11:11:06 PM

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: logical fallacies

Logical fallacies?

I agreed with you people.

1) Libs are misusing the terms "clip" and "magazine". They confuse "semi-auto" with "auto".
2) Therefore legal restrictions on firearms are unconstitutional.

Case closed.


/red harring and strawman all in one

Go to bed bro
 
2013-03-19 11:11:47 PM

jaytkay: Logical fallacies?


Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


Yep, about 50 of them
 
2013-03-19 11:12:15 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


Why should he? People can now barge into your home and demand you let them search it without a warrant?
 
2013-03-19 11:12:47 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?
If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.
 
2013-03-19 11:13:27 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.
 
2013-03-19 11:14:03 PM

jso2897: Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?
If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.


edgy/10
 
2013-03-19 11:14:24 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


That is where he keeps his pot.
 
2013-03-19 11:14:24 PM
Dad really needs to check out his Facebook friends.  At least one of them is an idiot.
 
Oak
2013-03-19 11:14:37 PM

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 11:14:54 PM

BGates: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

The box is not a magazine.  It's an ammo can.  A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.  Since it isn't attached, it's not a magazine.

Heed your own advise dumbass.


So that hold where we stored torpedoes just shy of the tubes on the boat wasn't a magazine?  You sure?  The DOD has other ideas.  I can't remember a spring.

You see, the term "magazine" predates cartridges.  If your assertion was true, this wouldn't be possible.  Wanna try again?
 
2013-03-19 11:15:03 PM
As usual I'm late to the thread and don't really want to read through 380 posts. Can anyone give me a rough idea about how many fools fell for this story?

/ I'd call shenanigans
// but it's just too obvious
 
2013-03-19 11:15:23 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.


so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?
 
2013-03-19 11:15:45 PM

jso2897: This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?


Dude, get that hook out of your lip.
 
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