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2013-03-19 09:47:15 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.


Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:01 PM

jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?


Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:45 PM
While plausible I do have my doubts about any story where the sources are Inquisitr and The Blaze
 
2013-03-19 09:49:40 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.


You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:10 PM
I'm sure this 100% legit and not skewed or misleading or complete bullshiat in any way.
 
m00
2013-03-19 09:50:20 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.

Oh wait... that was good. Almost got me. 4/10.
 
2013-03-19 09:52:28 PM

A Shambling Mound: Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.


With the weapon in that state what possible danger could there have been from having your finger on the trigger? Or have you been talking to this woman about the danger of "unloaded guns":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-03-19 09:52:32 PM

rohar: willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die. Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.

Funny thing.  I grew up in a military household.  My dad wasn't "dad", he was "sir".  I spend a lot of weekends at the range on base.  In the end, I joined the military and "do or die" became much more than a motto.  Are you suggesting this was wrong as well?  If so, things get really squirrelly.


We're gonna get squirrelly?!!??  That sounds kinda fun!

www.generalsemantics.org
 
2013-03-19 09:52:38 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.


Maybe he planed it...
 
2013-03-19 09:53:14 PM

jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.


His wife called him. Dude was not at home. He called his lawyer on the way home and put him on speaker phone.

Now people want to claim derp "source is a forum" derp.....but do you think MSNBC would give him the time of day? Especially since they are trying to help push the gun control agenda.

If FOX gave him an interview you woiuld porbably claim derrr hurrr source im not clicking the link......
 
2013-03-19 09:53:34 PM

feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]


I have fired a 21/28 overstamp. Nice piece...Come to think of it, my son who was 16 at the time fired it too. #automaticfun!
 
2013-03-19 09:54:50 PM

Pangit: Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.


Dumb idea Dad!
Not that you were teaching your kid gun safety ,thats a good idea,but dumb to let a 7 year old shoot a .44 mag or any large caliber firearm.It teaches a child to flinch and can be hard to unteach.
 
2013-03-19 09:55:21 PM
Story sounds fake.  Or the "reporter" just sucks.   If it was real there should be at there very least a quote from somebody at DYFS giving their side of the story or at least saying no comment.  As it is now there is not enough specifics to pass the urban legend test.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:06 PM

feckingmorons: But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole).


OMG, Here comes the war . . .

/it's damn good no matter wtf you call it.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Any post starting with the word "so" probably isn't worth response.

"So you think..."
"So it doesn't..."
"So they shouldn't have to..."

and etc. An experienced observation from a guy that's been discussing things with people on the Internet since the Usenet days. Do with it what you will.


So, you're saying you don't like strawman arguments?
You know what I hate?
Rhetorical questions.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:45 PM

GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:49 PM
The tears of the fun control (sic) advocates are delicious.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:59 PM

Rivetman1.0: Doesn't Senator Feinstein also have a CCR?
Looks like she needs some refresher training in handling procedures IMHO.

[gerarddirect.com image 450x366]


LOL. The scary drum magazine.  Hell, you want to do something about magazines?  Make drums the only thing available.  You're a helluva lot less likely to get 30 rounds out of a drum before it jams than you are a standard capacity 30 round mag.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:06 PM

jaytkay: Who I just happened to have on speed dial.


One of the staff at ar15.com is a very very liberal and very very famous NY attorney.

Alot of members at ar15.com have him on speed dial.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:32 PM
The Blaze and some shaitty blog?  Seems legit...
 
2013-03-19 09:57:42 PM

m00: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.



Man, that just made me flash back to every summer camp I ever went to.  Bolt-action 22 rifle range.

GUTSU: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.

You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny.  It was all covered at the meetings.
 
2013-03-19 09:58:05 PM
The correct answer to the question is "shoot them for extortion, trespassing" Bob.
 
2013-03-19 09:58:22 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


This. I couldn't have put it any better.

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.


It's called teaching responsibility and it's done by boy scout troops all over the country.

The child wasn't running around playing cops and robbers with it. If you read the article you would see that the parent is pretty adamant about being responsible.

Glancing Blow: In New Jersey child protective services are required to investigate all complaints


In Minnesota CPS gets to pick and choose what cases they want to bother with. My son got put in the hospital / emergency room 5 times in two years through his mothers neglect, with a formal report filed by a forensic psychologist of a pattern of abuse and neglect and they still didn't bother to open a case. 

Ego edo infantia cattus: As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws.


I've seen this first hand with my experience with the court system. My last court date the GAL was caught blatantly lying in the court about things. I've caught her in a fair number of lies but rarely had the chance to expose her. I actually experienced my son's GAL calling up a police detective and derailing an abuse investigation. Luckily for me I had evidence and she had nothing but lies.

I've learned that GAL's have no interest in protecting kids and are there only for their own ego. At no point will family services act in the interest of the child. You have to go around them and simply consider them the second opposing attorney.
 
2013-03-19 09:59:45 PM
Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

www.healthtrainingguide.com
 
2013-03-19 09:59:59 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:17 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: A Shambling Mound: Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.

With the weapon in that state what possible danger could there have been from having your finger on the trigger? Or have you been talking to this woman about the danger of "unloaded guns":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=player_embedded


It's just poor discipline, that's all. The only way I could have hurt myself with that Luger was if I had dropped it on my foot.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:39 PM

sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Not in my house!  Single malt all the way.  Bourbon is for Blues musicians.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:55 PM

Giltric: do you think MSNBC would give him the time of day? Especially since they are trying to help push the gun control agenda.


MSNBC posted a reprint of a local outlet's wire story of a guy's blog post.

You're seeing the same story posted over and over. And you think it's "reported everywhere".
 
2013-03-19 10:01:00 PM

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


true but I would hazard a guess that vast majority of Americans don't have a 'family' attorney they have on speed dial.
I know for me if a similar situation happens I my have to ask the cops to wait a while I  frantically thumb  through the yellow pages.
 
2013-03-19 10:01:00 PM

prjindigo: The correct answer to the question is "shoot them for extortion, trespassing" in the butt, Bob".

 
2013-03-19 10:01:35 PM

willfullyobscure: Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

[www.healthtrainingguide.com image 850x565]


Cry about it more
 
2013-03-19 10:01:51 PM

OgreMagi: sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Not in my house!  Single malt all the way.  Bourbon is for Blues musicians.


I thought that was weed.  Oh, that's for Jazz musicians.  Nevermind...
 
2013-03-19 10:02:14 PM

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


My kids can tell you the difference between a Cab, Merlot, Pino or Malbec. They've tasted all of them and alcohol is not a super mystery to them. None of them will be dying of alcohol poisoning on their 21st birthday because it's not a mystery.


They can also tell you how to safely handle a gun. They've fired .22s to .308s, know how to handle them safely and do.


You on the other hand; shouldn't breed. If you have already, perhaps you can turn them in to CPS because society would be better off with someone else raising them.  Then you can go back to your meth and cocaine.
 
2013-03-19 10:02:15 PM

noitsnot: As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny. It was all covered at the meetings.


You go to the meetings too? I hope you'd also agree that the amounts of our monthly White Privilege Checks are not keeping pace with inflation.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:00 PM
When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him

Wait, an official refusing to identify themselves as an official?  That's well past "don't have a warrant?  Please leave" and into "you're an unidentified stranger on my property making threats, by castle doctrine I can legally shoot you so you might want to consider running now."

willfullyobscure: You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?


Um, every single historical culture in the world including ostensibly peace-loving ones like Roman-era Christians and Buddhists?  Not being part of an equipped local militia as a kid was practically unheard of in European-rooted cultures until the mid 1800s or so (later for some places), for instance, a remnant of feudalism and the subsequent revolutions.  It only died off due to the massive increase in population and thus manpower making a set of massive standing armies more economically advantageous.

Also, for a more recent example, the boy scouts and explorer corps do all of those things, and any given school club does most of them.  Marching band, for instance, is only short the rifles themselves and then only sometimes.

//Assuming you were a kid in the late 80s/early 90s where there was a big push to intentionally subvert this.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.

true but I would hazard a guess that vast majority of Americans don't have a 'family' attorney they have on speed dial.
I know for me if a similar situation happens I my have to ask the cops to wait a while I  frantically thumb  through the yellow pages.



Chance favors the prepared mind.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:24 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


You need to check your white privilege mister! Every time you looks at a person of colour you're enslaving them with your imperialistic white eyes. Everytime you look at a woman you are committing sexual assault, you should feel ashamed!
 
2013-03-19 10:03:49 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics.


i have no problem with cosmetics. accessorize away! i mean, if a guy wants to play army and pretend that he's a badass, i'm fine with it. i personally think it's kind of juvenile. but i agree; banning guns based on pure cosmetics is silly and wrong.

but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever). you can create a magazine that looks like a 30-round version so you can still play army.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:16 PM

NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.


That technically makes him more qualified than the cop to carry a firearm within city limits.

I think the real funny is that most cops are ONLY allowed to carry their issued pistol with the issued low velocity ammunition.
Its the biggest untold joke of law enforcement.  You can do more damage with a BRICK.
When you hear about these firefights where the cops shoot a hundred rounds and the only person who hit the perp WAS the perp its mostly because firing underpowered rounds makes the guns behave poorly.  Try cheap ammo in an HK MP series weapon, it'll spray shiat all over the place.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:35 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.


U mad, Bro?
 
2013-03-19 10:04:51 PM
I think Fark just pooped its pants a little.
 
2013-03-19 10:05:09 PM

A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image ....


Thanks for posting that. Now we all can go to jail. 8)
 
2013-03-19 10:06:07 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?

That thing destroyed so many old Folgers cans and coke cans.  It was horrific.  No one was spared, not even Mr. Pibb.


And then you shot Dr. Pepper when he was trying to save Mr. Pibb didn't you.
 
2013-03-19 10:06:29 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny. It was all covered at the meetings.

You go to the meetings too? I hope you'd also agree that the amounts of our monthly White Privilege Checks are not keeping pace with inflation.


I hereby declare all of humanity victims of everything. We all get a cookie.
We'll get over it.
 
2013-03-19 10:06:32 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]


I don't think you know what the word 'EXACTLY' means LOL
 
2013-03-19 10:06:48 PM
Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.
 
2013-03-19 10:07:27 PM

m00: The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Seegrist
 
2013-03-19 10:07:47 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


In Japan you sure can...
 
2013-03-19 10:07:49 PM

wambu: A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image ....

Thanks for posting that. Now we all can go to jail. 8)


Well, I'm only bailing myself out. No hard feelings, k?
 
2013-03-19 10:08:01 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.


Or a phone that can store phone numbers. I hear they make those these days.

You want so badly for this not to be true you could burst.

Pop!
 
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