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2013-03-19 08:54:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.


No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.
 
2013-03-19 08:55:19 PM  
This is some scary shiat, and I don't doubt most of it is true. Not because I'm a big fan of the second amendment, but because I've heard 485279657-49067-904670-67 stories about CPS abusing their authority to take kids away from perfectly acceptable parents, all because of an "anonymous call" or a custody dispute, or some crap.

Good on him for standing up for his rights. It's not easy, but it's the only right course of action.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:13 PM  

Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


fark if I know. Maybe people think it's not as pretty with the magazine. Try "ruger 10/22 rifle with a banana clip".
 
2013-03-19 08:56:35 PM  
willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
 
2013-03-19 08:56:44 PM  
If you take his word for it.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:02 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.


so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"
 
2013-03-19 08:57:12 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.


Well you can't actually give an 11 year old liquor, but you can give them a gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:26 PM  

jaytkay: War criminal!!
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Terrorists!!
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2nd Amendment hero!!
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awesome tv show
www.sirenvisual.com.au

/pic hotter an expanded sun
//from when anime was cool!
///just skip the first episode, it is not representative
 
2013-03-19 08:58:22 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


Wow, you really are uninformed.  He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.
It sounds to me like it's same reason some people who regularly buy houses and property have their own attorney.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.


The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:44 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: But it sure has brought out the pro-gun people on Fark.  Like ringing a farking dinner bell.  A GUN THREAD!!!  AS SOON AS I'M DONE FAPPING ABOUT IT, I"M POSTING IN THAT BABY!



Wow.  You have a really skewed view of most gun owners.  Like any hobby, some of the enthusiasts are kind of weird, but let's say you really enjoy doing nice things for nature.  Are we to think of you as an insane tree-spiker or a member of the Earth Liberation Front?

This is an issue of government agencies pushing to see how far they can intrude.  It should concern lefties as much as their traditional complaining points, like immigration roadblocks, intrusive drug testing when it isn't necessary, the Patriot Act, warrantless searches, or even Stonewall.

My family is by no means a bunch of gun-fapping extremists, but we do live on the doorstep of the great outdoors.  My kids have been safely handling guns since they were 8 (BBs and .22s--like the kid in the story), went through hunter's safety classes when they were 11, and are currently on their high school trap shooting team.  We own a few handguns but rarely use them at the target range.  I admit it's anecdotal, but around here we're not out of the ordinary.  If anything we're not that fervent, since we have only 5 long guns and two pistols.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:59 PM  

Frank N Stein: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE


STOP TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO
 
2013-03-19 08:59:00 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.

I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.


"we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy who like to say "is you, or is you not, my constituency."

It is a very weak move - guess you got your feelings hurt a bit.

Relax - let other people be emotionally stable for you.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:12 PM  
The Think of The Children! crowd has really gone off the deep end.
 
2013-03-19 09:00:34 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?
 
2013-03-19 09:01:47 PM  

skozlaw: BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.


Social service caseworkers are not police.  Generally, they are licensed social workers, who have a code of conduct to maintain.  That's why I said, "professional misconduct" and not "criminal."

Otherwise, I'm not gonna argue with you.  The story's shaky just because of its source.
 
2013-03-19 09:01:57 PM  

OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.


No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:35 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ya  know, I don't really buy into the tacticool 'thing' either, but the point is that there is a current attempt to ban the tricked out firearm on the bottom, but the top rifle is functionally the same firearm and it would still be legal.  It makes no sense.  The AWB is dumb is the basic point.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:58 PM  
IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"
 
2013-03-19 09:03:23 PM  

willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?
 
2013-03-19 09:03:44 PM  

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


Because the factory magazine for the Ruger 10/22 fits fully inside the stock and isn't visible unless the bottom of the firearms is viewed.
 
2013-03-19 09:03:49 PM  

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Nope, I disagree with both. Wanna categorize me?
 
2013-03-19 09:04:20 PM  
In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:38 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


Lighten up, Pope.  Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today.  Only counted 40 votes for it.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:03 PM  

noitsnot: Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.

Jeez - where to start with this one?


May the Force be with you.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:10 PM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


I live with my mom no sublety at all you had better watch out Cheeseboy, this is FARK

What a  miserable life you must have and a complete lack of conscience, casually using the death of innocents to troll.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:41 PM  

remus: FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"

Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


Exactly. Some people don't have very good taste. You are free to mock them.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Lighten up, Pope. Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today. Only counted 40 votes for it.


That's not the point. I'm tired of this debate being defined from the pro-guns side by obnoxious people with no capacity for rational thought.

As evidenced by the fact that this crap article is what we get in the name of a pro gun argument.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:33 PM  

pedrop357: Wow, you really are uninformed. He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.


He specifies he has never actually hired the attorney in his comment.

You dumbass.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:17 PM  

jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.


And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:56 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. "Make it evil," he'd been told. "Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with."
 
2013-03-19 09:08:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


Reid said it didn't even have 40 votes, which is kind of a "whoa" moment.   Couldn't even get 40.
 
2013-03-19 09:08:28 PM  
Everyone in complete disbelief about this story, what's so unbelievable about it?
 
2013-03-19 09:09:28 PM  
Some guy:
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.
And then DFS demanded to look in my gun safe but I stood my ground!"

Conservatives:
"Sounds legit!"
 
2013-03-19 09:09:36 PM  
I wonder how long until this is all over facebook?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:29 PM  

sbking: "we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy


What about the guy who likes to say I, me, my a lot?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:40 PM  

feckingmorons: jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.

And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.


No no no, you just don't get it, do you?

There is a massive Koch-funded conservative NRA media conspiracy (led by Faux Snooz) trying to trick the ignorant gun-toting rednecks into defending the second amendement despite the fact that nobody is trying to take their guns away.

And this is getting in the way of our righteous campaign to pass more gun restrictions and bans.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:48 PM  

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?


So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

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2013-03-19 09:11:59 PM  

teeny: IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


But that's how media hysteria works. In a nation of 300 million plus people, an incident happens - and we are supposed to draw universal conclusions from it.
There's plenty good money to be made in confirming peoples paranoia.
 
2013-03-19 09:12:19 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


You insult people a lot. People you don't even know.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:01 PM  

brandent: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?


Those cheerfully colored guns are not designed to appeal to children- they are made as collectables as they have the dual purpose of both protection as well as being a trendy accessory.  I saw a number of these in a gun shop one day and I was a little taken aback by the cute trendy appearance of some of the weaponry.   I was told by a dealer, they have become popular amongst the single female 20-25 age group.  occasionally, they are purchased as gifts for collectors, spouses, or family members just getting out on their own.  Very few adults have actually asked about them as an entry level weapon for children as most responsible gun owners understand that a weapon is not a toy.  He did say a couple of obvious non-owners asked about the hello Kitty hand gun as a first timer and he said they were directed over to the single shot 22 rifles instead.

I question whether a dealer would target your 10  yr old without getting your input as the decision about who gets what is made by you.  If he was allowed to handle a weapon by a salesman, it would only because you gave your consent for him to do so.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:25 PM  

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?

So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

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Is the kid with the target rifle being used as a child soldier? I didn't notice that. Can you point that out for me in the news articles about this please.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:31 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


i feel the exact opposite way. i'm not a fan of guns at all(aside from being fascinated by their mechanics), but no law is being broken and the kid is certified. how the fark do they have the right to even make threats like that?
 
2013-03-19 09:14:24 PM  

jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?
 
2013-03-19 09:16:12 PM  

remus: Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


And when I see "that guy" on the highway, I know there's a million to one chance he's a douchebag who is a danger to himself and others, and I avoid him like the plague.

Prejudices exist for a reason. Rice out your car and chances are you're a dangerously stupid driver who doesn't know what they're doing. show up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context, and that's twice as true.

It means that more than likely, you do not understand your weapon, you do not understand guns in general and you shouldn't have one until you get clued in.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:13 PM  

Shadyman: "[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.


The problem is a public servant acted on their personal beliefs and biases and engaged a law-abiding citizen using "the law" in a threatening, malicious manner. The public servant likely committed malfeasance and misfeasnace and should be prosecuted, but most likely will just be fired after the ensuing lawsuit.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:44 PM  
The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:09 PM  

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


From what I read they plan to add many parts back later. Like a Zombie you know. You have to unload the whole mag on it.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:13 PM  

jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?


I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:39 PM  

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


They aren't shown without mags, the stock ten round mags fit flush to the stock so you can't see them. The ones with wood stocks tend to be the plain-jane, unmodified versions, which means they most often have the original mags.

FlashHarry: what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics. You might be able to make an argument that the aftermarket stocks make them (and other guns) more deadly by making them lighter and more comfortable, but that still depends on the shooter. Personally, I prefer the traditional wood stocks, so I shoot better with them compared to plastic.
 
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