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2013-03-19 08:38:33 PM

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:39:05 PM
Pretty sure the right to keep and bear children is not in the Constitution but at least they can't take his guns.
 
2013-03-19 08:39:18 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


the source cited in the article is the blog, and there's nothing in the rticle corroborating anything, no statement from the police if dyfs so thus isn't a MSN article, its a rehash of the victims forum post.

that said, IF the story is accurate, then the dude was right to stand his ground on this. its bullshiat what happened. IF that's what happened
 
2013-03-19 08:39:40 PM

FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.


Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.
 
2013-03-19 08:40:46 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.


Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:13 PM

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?


No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?


Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.


That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:15 PM
Quoting: "We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off ahttp://www.deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


A little bit of research would have shown you that it was also reported by the Associated Press and relayed by many news agencies siting Wayne Parry as the author.  Granted, a lot of people around here jump on the "Oh, if it's from MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, or The Blaze, it's not a credible story." But they do occasionally report the news (at least 15% of the time ;) )
 
2013-03-19 08:41:25 PM

feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.


Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:29 PM
My uncle taught me how to shoot when I was 10-ish. Albeit airguns, but pretty powerful ones used for target practice. Learned all the handling protocol with loading, safety, trigger, and to never point the barrel at anything you don't intend to shoot. I've been teaching my kids the same way to handle their own nerf guns with respect, barrel down or to the sky.

It's surprising how many will point even loaded and charged guns at other people "as a joke". Someone find that link to the study on different child age groups who were put in a play area with a real (unloaded) gun hidden in the toy box, and how very few children took the appropriate response of not touching it and alerting an adult when they found them.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:47 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?
 
2013-03-19 08:41:48 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.

Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.


I have the lawyer for the gun trust I have for automatic weapons and other NFA weapons. If I had a problem like this he would be my go to guy. But heck and lawyer, even a crappy tax lawyer would tell you don't let government agents into your house uninvited unless they have a Court order and then you can't stop them anyway.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:22 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:44 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Pump action? I had one too.For me it meant I didn't have to carry any extra ammo around when I took it hunting.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:46 PM

pyrotek85: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

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You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.


Martin Luther King And His Guns

"William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that once, during a visit to King's parsonage, he went to sit down on an armchair in the living room and, to his surprise, almost sat on a loaded gun. Glenn Smiley, an adviser to King, described King's home as "an arsenal.""

 
2013-03-19 08:42:51 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.


So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:54 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


1/10
 
2013-03-19 08:43:18 PM

EvilEgg: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.

Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?


I make pictures. It's what I do.
 
2013-03-19 08:43:27 PM
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as thepalladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral checkagainst usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even ifthese are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist andtriumph over them."-- Supreme CourtJustice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court --
 
2013-03-19 08:43:32 PM

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


Google ruger .22
 
2013-03-19 08:43:44 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.


Dude - It's easy...
 
2013-03-19 08:44:27 PM

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2013-03-19 08:44:33 PM

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i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:11 PM

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
modernsurvivalonline.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:56 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


That thing destroyed so many old Folgers cans and coke cans.  It was horrific.  No one was spared, not even Mr. Pibb.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:14 PM
I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:34 PM
Gun control has little to with safety.

jaytkay: War criminal!!
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Terrorists!!
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2nd Amendment hero!!
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Because you're not considering what happens outside the frame of the photograph. Teaching a kid marksmanship so he'll be able to hunt and defend himself later in life is vastly different than "kill those men and I'll give you alcohol/Prepare to kill those Jews and Allah will bless you".
 
2013-03-19 08:47:23 PM

serpent_sky: y. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off


Once they are on my radar, I scrape them off my boots.
In front of the judge.

Man up, nancy nation.
It's time to turn back the clock on knee jerk stupidity.
 
2013-03-19 08:47:34 PM
If this story is even true it looks like the guy and his family did everything right...but man, anything that leads to chest-bumping and dick-waving from the gun nutters just rubs me the wrong way. Speaking as a guy that held hunting licenses, was a Greenwing, ate winged and furred things he killed, and even competed as a trap shooter when he was a teenager.

fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


Common? No. Happens during politically-charged riots? Sometimes. Always illegal? Yes. Are they getting away with it? Not so much any more.

https://www.baycitizen.org/news/policing/two-oakland-officers-discip li ned-over/
 
2013-03-19 08:47:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.


Jeez - where to start with this one?
 
2013-03-19 08:47:57 PM

feckingmorons: maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?

I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.


I just call Saul for all my gun related legal entanglements...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:47:58 PM

optikeye: feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.

I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?


Oh, I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few days ... or not (like that judge in NY who insisted she saw the cops beating Occupy protesters but it was crickets after that)
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM

badhatharry: Google ruger .22


The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracl


In New Jersey child protective services are required to investigate all complaints, and are prohibited from revealing the source of the complaint.  They always show identification.  They will tell you the nature of the complaint.  They usually want to speak with the child in a room in the house without the parents present.  If you refuse, a judge will force you to comply.

The fishy part here involves them allegedly wanting to see anything having to do with the gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:44 PM
FTA: "After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing.""

"Apparently, the DYFS representative wanted access to the house and gun safe so that she could make sure they were catalogued and "properly registered," though New Jersey does not require registration."


As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws. They are the scummiest state department ever created, and from the stories of other foster children I've heard, it doesn't very much from state to state.

If you ever find your family in their sights here's what to do:
Don't ever let them in.
Lawyer up immediately.
Don't believe a word they say.
Make as big of a stink with the media that you can.

The father in this story did everything right.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:48 PM

OgreMagi: skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.

So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK.  But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone.  Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:26 PM

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Yeah, a guy named Shawn Moore and his lawyer. Did you not RTFA?

Maybe if these people hadn't been quoted in the article, you might have a point.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:42 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Coke cans are fast.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:52 PM
This country needs an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:28 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


Check the article, MSN is just referancing the original forum post as their source. That is NOT journalism.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:41 PM
 
2013-03-19 08:50:44 PM

Deep Contact: This country needs an enema.


I need an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:51:55 PM

sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.


I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:09 PM
of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG
 
2013-03-19 08:53:19 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


What's troubling abut him holding the gun? The kid is holding it safely and has undergone firearms training. There is nothing at all illegal about him holding, or even firing the gun, although he CAN'T possess alcohol at 11.


Wait, I know what it is... You're actually lying about not being anti-gun. It's the only explanation for your rabid anti-gun reaction to a child doing something completely safe and completely legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:34 PM
I don't believe that's the whole story.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:22 PM

skozlaw: OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?

No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?

Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.

That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.


Ah.  So you're one of those mindless "Won't anyone think of the children!" people.  I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:25 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


We shouldn't have to defend our freedoms, but it seems we must.

I would sooner defend mine with a lawyer in a courtroom than with a gun.

/he had a blog long before he had the webpage, that is how I found him. Gun Trusts speed up the transfer of NFA weapons immeasurably.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:30 PM

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


Like welcome to Fark, asshat!
 
2013-03-19 08:54:47 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?
 
2013-03-19 08:54:56 PM
I grew up around guns. I became a pretty good shot with a .22 by the time I was 12, and my dad would always take me on hunting trips, nature hikes, fishing etc. Considering I'm suburban raised and current urban dweller (and thus not too great at the skill), I can identify more animals and plants than any environmental or animal rights activist I've ever spoken to.

Too bad fark wasn't around to tell me how awful I was for partaking in those activities.
 
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