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2013-03-19 08:24:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.


I like this. I may steal it.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:44 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Since the kid passed the state program for hunters under 18 what's the big deal?

/took the test in Pa when I was 11 too
 
2013-03-19 08:25:07 PM  
That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-19 08:25:19 PM  

jaytkay: War criminal!!
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Terrorists!!
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2nd Amendment hero!!
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Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
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2013-03-19 08:25:23 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-03-19 08:25:25 PM  
If we teach our kids to hold big guns and shoot big guns, imagine what other large phallic objects they'll want to fondle and stick in their mouths.  This is a Christian nation, and everybody has the right to own a gun, but as a parent it is your duty to teach your kids to be heterosexual and not have him idolize guns and shooting stuff that might turn him gay.  Furthermore, if you insist on teaching your kid his way around a rifle, you better be sure not to dress him so snappy and fashionable.  You're practically sticking your cock in his mouth.  It's wrong.  It's sick.  It's got to stop.  It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:01 PM  
The important thing is to stay pissed off at all times.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:18 PM  

maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?


I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:41 PM  

Sticky Hands: The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.


Amen.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:53 PM  
I posted pictures and video of my 10 year old nephew skeet shooting and at the rifle range, nobody said a thing.

/He does live in Rural Alabama
 
2013-03-19 08:27:08 PM  

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.


Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:19 PM  

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.



MSN has it with a picture of the boy.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:42 PM  

fnordfocus: EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.

I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:03 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal


Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:06 PM  

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


www.govgroup.com
 
2013-03-19 08:28:26 PM  
"Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun"

So what's the resolution on this cameragun?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:00 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
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To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:11 PM  

feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.


So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:16 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: MrHappyRotter: It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.

attractive and successful African-AmericanS?


Hilarious filter pwnage.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:19 PM  

cman: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.


Father and son beating and raping their slaves used to be traditional as well - change can be good.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:24 PM  
Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:54 PM  

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:59 PM  
Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:03 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:51 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And their "source" is the same friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:18 PM  

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.


Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),
 
2013-03-19 08:31:21 PM  
I can sympathize with this poor bastards plight. I'm getting a screwing right now on a weapon charge. Costing me a lot of money over nothing just like this is probably costing that guy money. Lawyers aint cheap.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:26 PM  

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


Can't tell if stupid or trolling.

/can be both I guess
 
2013-03-19 08:31:44 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:04 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?
 
2013-03-19 08:32:06 PM  

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


Seems quite credible, the Nappens are quite well know attorneys in New Jersey for gun rights.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:13 PM  

jaytkay: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.

Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),


Your initial claim was hyperbolic and stupid. It reveals either that you are a troll or that you are developmentally disabled.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:41 PM  

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


This sounds far more likely - puffed-up PITA bragging about how he ran them guvmint people off, when more likely they came as part of a routine call, didn't find a problem, and left. Couple that with an attorney looking to drum up a little business, and we get this shiat.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:02 PM  

noitsnot: minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.

And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.


Investigating takes time and money, and ultimately is worthless.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:09 PM  
The DYFS reprensentative needs to be arrested for making a threat like that.  Probably need to call the state police or FBI for that.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:39 PM  

WhyKnot: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.


Perhaps i was being a bit too "on the nose."

I was making fun of the fundamental lefties...
 
2013-03-19 08:34:05 PM  

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


So you doubt the Blaze because you don't agree with their politics, is that it? You think they made up quotes from NJ licensed attorneys and faked photographs of four police officers.

OK. If you say so.
 
2013-03-19 08:34:40 PM  
No video?  Does he still have a dumb phone?  I would expect an audio recording at least that he could take to federal court on abuse of authority charges and violation of civil rights and start suing everyone involved especially if he contacted his lawyer before he arrived at his home.  How about names and badge numbers of the cops attempting to violate his fourth amendment rights.  Just doesn't pass the smell test.  Leave this kind of BS to the liberturds.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:03 PM  

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Just the AP version.

Good on the parents.  Fark that arrogant, cowardly social services biatch.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:41 PM  

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:43 PM  
I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:44 PM  
Well. The trolls got a hold of this thread in one hell of a hurry.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:46 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

or a free condom from school.

 
2013-03-19 08:36:17 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?


No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.

Responsible gun owners happily follow the law. It seems the child welfare folks in New Jersey don't.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.


He's an NRA instructor.  It's pretty standard fare to have a firearms lawyer on retainer and a good insurance policy.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:52 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


We had a 22 can plinker when I was a kid.  Lived out in the country and you needed a toy like that in case you had rats, a rabid racoon, or the occasional belligerent drunk banging away at your door at 2 am looking for a place to sleep.  Although it remained in house for 5 years in the hall closet with a box of rounds up on the shelf, it was never touched by either my brother or myself unless we had adults around.

It was my mother who was the one that finally, after repeated requests of a drunk to please leave her alone, fired a shot into the air out her bedroom window, and causing the cad to flee.

Dad had a hilarious time with a cornered rat in a trashcan once but it was mostly just using for plinking cans on a Saturday afternoon.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:58 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.


For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?
 
2013-03-19 08:37:14 PM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-03-19 08:37:25 PM  

OgreMagi: fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.

I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.


It probably isn't, but who watches the watchmen?
 
2013-03-19 08:38:17 PM  
I'm sure they wanted to keep the kid from shooting his eye out.
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