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(Opposing Views)   Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun, social services shows up at his door demanding entry into his home and access to guns or else they will "take his kids"   ( opposingviews.com) divider line
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2013-03-19 08:08:46 PM  
When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.
 
2013-03-19 08:11:39 PM  
OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right
 
2013-03-19 08:13:15 PM  
Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?
 
2013-03-19 08:13:32 PM  
Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.
 
2013-03-19 08:13:57 PM  

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Yes.

The Blaze.
 
2013-03-19 08:13:58 PM  
molon labe?
 
2013-03-19 08:14:00 PM  
Imagine if he would have had a picture with the constitution!
 
2013-03-19 08:14:19 PM  
Good for him for knowing his rights and keeping a calm head to consult his attorney. A lot of people would have done something stupid and he didn't. I give him credit for that and hope they leave him alone, but chances are his life is going to be hell for some time unfortunately. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off
 
2013-03-19 08:14:24 PM  
"[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.
 
2013-03-19 08:14:25 PM  

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Dammit. I was hoping to see a pink rifle. ;-)
 
2013-03-19 08:14:30 PM  

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly
 
2013-03-19 08:15:02 PM  

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


You could have just done this.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:07 PM  
"When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "

When an unidentified person attempts to gain entry your house it is best to call the cops. The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:11 PM  
Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!
 
2013-03-19 08:15:25 PM  
I'm thinking bullshiat:


He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."

links to the inquisitor and blaze.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:29 PM  
Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:31 PM  
We seem to Be headed in this direction
 
2013-03-19 08:16:16 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:16:42 PM  

Pangit: Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.


Here in Roanoke, a few years ago we had a front page article in the newspaper about a 6 year old (?) girl who took down a bear (with her father's help). I don't recall CPS (or whatever) getting involved.
 
2013-03-19 08:16:50 PM  
Obama.
 
2013-03-19 08:17:12 PM  
He's right, most people would not have refused entry. Good for him for exercising his rights. Shame on the authorities for bothering him and his family in the first place.
 
2013-03-19 08:17:37 PM  
I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???
 
2013-03-19 08:17:38 PM  
Are we supposed to be outraged?  The story's tag implies so.  What is this father doing posting photos of a minor on Facebook?  That's absolutely grounds for losing custody of his child.  Think of all the molesters out there that might jerk off to that photo and the people that steal kids and then sell stolen kids to people without kids in other countries might be able to use the photos to identify the kid's location and steal him.  It's completely irresponsible and we need to teach these parents a lesson -- post photos of your kids online and you'll lose your kid.  Either the government will take your child, or people that steal kids will take your child.  It's better if the government does it first because at least your kid will go to molesters in the United States rather than molesters in the Ukraine.
 
2013-03-19 08:18:30 PM  

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


flagg.deratrius.com

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-03-19 08:18:55 PM  
This sounds totally legit.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:19:10 PM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


Wow. Surprised you didn't go with "become the next Hitler". I mean, if you're going to go with logical stretches, go for the really grandiose ones.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:15 PM  
Oh, it was the gun I was supposed to be outraged about.  I couldn't tell.  Give me a minute longer to channel my fake outrage over the gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:50 PM  

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


Citation please.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:51 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


It's a .22, the kid is
 
2013-03-19 08:20:11 PM  
Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?
 
2013-03-19 08:20:26 PM  
War criminal!!
www.awsg.us

Terrorists!!
4.bp.blogspot.com

2nd Amendment hero!!
 www.opposingviews.com
 
2013-03-19 08:20:31 PM  
The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.
 
2013-03-19 08:20:41 PM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


That is frankly the most absurd comment I have ever seen on Fark. What do you really mean? Are you in favor of warrantless searches of homes?

Are you so afraid of a licensed hunter that you have to label him as a future mass murderer?

You need to live in reality with the rest of us. Guns are tools, just like you.
 
2013-03-19 08:20:53 PM  

NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.


My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.
 
2013-03-19 08:21:26 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:07 PM  

NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.


news.gunholsters.com

Jeesus cracker hopping Christ!  Somebody actually thought that this was a good idea?
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-03-19 08:22:10 PM  
Fark: Trollfest2k13
 
2013-03-19 08:22:16 PM  

2xhelix: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

Citation please.


3.bp.blogspot.com

 
2013-03-19 08:22:29 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:38 PM  

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.


It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:52 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal
 
2013-03-19 08:22:59 PM  

Pangit: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


I don't know- I joined a gun forum for liberals recently and I've found a few on there. No big deal, ain't no thang.
 
spr
2013-03-19 08:23:10 PM  
the "kid" was certified by his home state (New Jersey) as being *trained* to use that firearm for hunting.  he'd passed the state test.     

Molon Labe.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:12 PM  

feckingmorons: You need to live in reality with the rest of us


I am eager to learn how much this guy's story has to do with reality.

It smells worse than Courtney Love's hoo-hah after a three week shower-free crack bender.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:32 PM  
DFS was the TSA before the TSA was the TSA.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:42 PM  

EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.


I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:54 PM  
There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:56 PM  

clowncar on fire: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

[news.gunholsters.com image 850x637]

Jeesus cracker hopping Christ!  Somebody actually thought that this was a good idea?


That's not a good idea, that's an AWESOME idea.
Too bad it won't fit in my daughter's backpack :(
 
2013-03-19 08:24:11 PM  

Pangit: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


Seems the Jews could teach them something.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:22 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.


I like this. I may steal it.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:44 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Since the kid passed the state program for hunters under 18 what's the big deal?

/took the test in Pa when I was 11 too
 
2013-03-19 08:25:07 PM  
That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-19 08:25:19 PM  

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]


Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-03-19 08:25:23 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-03-19 08:25:25 PM  
If we teach our kids to hold big guns and shoot big guns, imagine what other large phallic objects they'll want to fondle and stick in their mouths.  This is a Christian nation, and everybody has the right to own a gun, but as a parent it is your duty to teach your kids to be heterosexual and not have him idolize guns and shooting stuff that might turn him gay.  Furthermore, if you insist on teaching your kid his way around a rifle, you better be sure not to dress him so snappy and fashionable.  You're practically sticking your cock in his mouth.  It's wrong.  It's sick.  It's got to stop.  It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:01 PM  
The important thing is to stay pissed off at all times.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:18 PM  

maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?


I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:41 PM  

Sticky Hands: The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.


Amen.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:53 PM  
I posted pictures and video of my 10 year old nephew skeet shooting and at the rifle range, nobody said a thing.

/He does live in Rural Alabama
 
2013-03-19 08:27:08 PM  

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.


Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:19 PM  

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.



MSN has it with a picture of the boy.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:42 PM  

fnordfocus: EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.

I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:03 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal


Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:06 PM  

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


www.govgroup.com
 
2013-03-19 08:28:26 PM  
"Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun"

So what's the resolution on this cameragun?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:00 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
[cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com image 590x300]


To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:11 PM  

feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.


So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:16 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: MrHappyRotter: It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.

attractive and successful African-AmericanS?


Hilarious filter pwnage.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:19 PM  

cman: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.


Father and son beating and raping their slaves used to be traditional as well - change can be good.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:24 PM  
Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:54 PM  

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:59 PM  
Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:03 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:51 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And their "source" is the same friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:18 PM  

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.


Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),
 
2013-03-19 08:31:21 PM  
I can sympathize with this poor bastards plight. I'm getting a screwing right now on a weapon charge. Costing me a lot of money over nothing just like this is probably costing that guy money. Lawyers aint cheap.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:26 PM  

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


Can't tell if stupid or trolling.

/can be both I guess
 
2013-03-19 08:31:44 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:04 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?
 
2013-03-19 08:32:06 PM  

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


Seems quite credible, the Nappens are quite well know attorneys in New Jersey for gun rights.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:13 PM  

jaytkay: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.

Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),


Your initial claim was hyperbolic and stupid. It reveals either that you are a troll or that you are developmentally disabled.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:41 PM  

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


This sounds far more likely - puffed-up PITA bragging about how he ran them guvmint people off, when more likely they came as part of a routine call, didn't find a problem, and left. Couple that with an attorney looking to drum up a little business, and we get this shiat.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:02 PM  

noitsnot: minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.

And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.


Investigating takes time and money, and ultimately is worthless.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:09 PM  
The DYFS reprensentative needs to be arrested for making a threat like that.  Probably need to call the state police or FBI for that.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:39 PM  

WhyKnot: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.


Perhaps i was being a bit too "on the nose."

I was making fun of the fundamental lefties...
 
2013-03-19 08:34:05 PM  

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


So you doubt the Blaze because you don't agree with their politics, is that it? You think they made up quotes from NJ licensed attorneys and faked photographs of four police officers.

OK. If you say so.
 
2013-03-19 08:34:40 PM  
No video?  Does he still have a dumb phone?  I would expect an audio recording at least that he could take to federal court on abuse of authority charges and violation of civil rights and start suing everyone involved especially if he contacted his lawyer before he arrived at his home.  How about names and badge numbers of the cops attempting to violate his fourth amendment rights.  Just doesn't pass the smell test.  Leave this kind of BS to the liberturds.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:03 PM  

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Just the AP version.

Good on the parents.  Fark that arrogant, cowardly social services biatch.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:41 PM  

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:43 PM  
I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:44 PM  
Well. The trolls got a hold of this thread in one hell of a hurry.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:46 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

or a free condom from school.

 
2013-03-19 08:36:17 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?


No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.

Responsible gun owners happily follow the law. It seems the child welfare folks in New Jersey don't.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.


He's an NRA instructor.  It's pretty standard fare to have a firearms lawyer on retainer and a good insurance policy.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:52 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


We had a 22 can plinker when I was a kid.  Lived out in the country and you needed a toy like that in case you had rats, a rabid racoon, or the occasional belligerent drunk banging away at your door at 2 am looking for a place to sleep.  Although it remained in house for 5 years in the hall closet with a box of rounds up on the shelf, it was never touched by either my brother or myself unless we had adults around.

It was my mother who was the one that finally, after repeated requests of a drunk to please leave her alone, fired a shot into the air out her bedroom window, and causing the cad to flee.

Dad had a hilarious time with a cornered rat in a trashcan once but it was mostly just using for plinking cans on a Saturday afternoon.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:58 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.


For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?
 
2013-03-19 08:37:14 PM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-03-19 08:37:25 PM  

OgreMagi: fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.

I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.


It probably isn't, but who watches the watchmen?
 
2013-03-19 08:38:17 PM  
I'm sure they wanted to keep the kid from shooting his eye out.
www.ohiocitywriters.org
 
2013-03-19 08:38:33 PM  

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:39:05 PM  
Pretty sure the right to keep and bear children is not in the Constitution but at least they can't take his guns.
 
2013-03-19 08:39:18 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


the source cited in the article is the blog, and there's nothing in the rticle corroborating anything, no statement from the police if dyfs so thus isn't a MSN article, its a rehash of the victims forum post.

that said, IF the story is accurate, then the dude was right to stand his ground on this. its bullshiat what happened. IF that's what happened
 
2013-03-19 08:39:40 PM  

FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.


Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.
 
2013-03-19 08:40:46 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.


Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:13 PM  

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?


No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?


Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.


That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:15 PM  
Quoting: "We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off ahttp://www.deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


A little bit of research would have shown you that it was also reported by the Associated Press and relayed by many news agencies siting Wayne Parry as the author.  Granted, a lot of people around here jump on the "Oh, if it's from MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, or The Blaze, it's not a credible story." But they do occasionally report the news (at least 15% of the time ;) )
 
2013-03-19 08:41:25 PM  

feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.


Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:29 PM  
My uncle taught me how to shoot when I was 10-ish. Albeit airguns, but pretty powerful ones used for target practice. Learned all the handling protocol with loading, safety, trigger, and to never point the barrel at anything you don't intend to shoot. I've been teaching my kids the same way to handle their own nerf guns with respect, barrel down or to the sky.

It's surprising how many will point even loaded and charged guns at other people "as a joke". Someone find that link to the study on different child age groups who were put in a play area with a real (unloaded) gun hidden in the toy box, and how very few children took the appropriate response of not touching it and alerting an adult when they found them.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:47 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?
 
2013-03-19 08:41:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.

Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.


I have the lawyer for the gun trust I have for automatic weapons and other NFA weapons. If I had a problem like this he would be my go to guy. But heck and lawyer, even a crappy tax lawyer would tell you don't let government agents into your house uninvited unless they have a Court order and then you can't stop them anyway.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:22 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:44 PM  

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Pump action? I had one too.For me it meant I didn't have to carry any extra ammo around when I took it hunting.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:46 PM  

pyrotek85: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.


Martin Luther King And His Guns

"William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that once, during a visit to King's parsonage, he went to sit down on an armchair in the living room and, to his surprise, almost sat on a loaded gun. Glenn Smiley, an adviser to King, described King's home as "an arsenal.""
 
2013-03-19 08:42:51 PM  

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.


So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:54 PM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


1/10
 
2013-03-19 08:43:18 PM  

EvilEgg: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.

Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?


I make pictures. It's what I do.
 
2013-03-19 08:43:27 PM  
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as thepalladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral checkagainst usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even ifthese are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist andtriumph over them."-- Supreme CourtJustice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court --
 
2013-03-19 08:43:32 PM  

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


Google ruger .22
 
2013-03-19 08:43:44 PM  

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.


Dude - It's easy...
 
2013-03-19 08:44:27 PM  

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-1
 
2013-03-19 08:44:33 PM  

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x682]


i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:11 PM  

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
modernsurvivalonline.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:56 PM  

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


That thing destroyed so many old Folgers cans and coke cans.  It was horrific.  No one was spared, not even Mr. Pibb.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:14 PM  
I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:34 PM  
Gun control has little to with safety.

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
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2nd Amendment hero!!
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Because you're not considering what happens outside the frame of the photograph. Teaching a kid marksmanship so he'll be able to hunt and defend himself later in life is vastly different than "kill those men and I'll give you alcohol/Prepare to kill those Jews and Allah will bless you".
 
2013-03-19 08:47:23 PM  

serpent_sky: y. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off


Once they are on my radar, I scrape them off my boots.
In front of the judge.

Man up, nancy nation.
It's time to turn back the clock on knee jerk stupidity.
 
2013-03-19 08:47:34 PM  
If this story is even true it looks like the guy and his family did everything right...but man, anything that leads to chest-bumping and dick-waving from the gun nutters just rubs me the wrong way. Speaking as a guy that held hunting licenses, was a Greenwing, ate winged and furred things he killed, and even competed as a trap shooter when he was a teenager.

fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


Common? No. Happens during politically-charged riots? Sometimes. Always illegal? Yes. Are they getting away with it? Not so much any more.

https://www.baycitizen.org/news/policing/two-oakland-officers-discip li ned-over/
 
2013-03-19 08:47:38 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.


Jeez - where to start with this one?
 
2013-03-19 08:47:57 PM  

feckingmorons: maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?

I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.


I just call Saul for all my gun related legal entanglements...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:47:58 PM  

optikeye: feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.

I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?


Oh, I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few days ... or not (like that judge in NY who insisted she saw the cops beating Occupy protesters but it was crickets after that)
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM  

badhatharry: Google ruger .22


The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM  

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracl


In New Jersey child protective services are required to investigate all complaints, and are prohibited from revealing the source of the complaint.  They always show identification.  They will tell you the nature of the complaint.  They usually want to speak with the child in a room in the house without the parents present.  If you refuse, a judge will force you to comply.

The fishy part here involves them allegedly wanting to see anything having to do with the gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:44 PM  
FTA: "After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing.""

"Apparently, the DYFS representative wanted access to the house and gun safe so that she could make sure they were catalogued and "properly registered," though New Jersey does not require registration."


As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws. They are the scummiest state department ever created, and from the stories of other foster children I've heard, it doesn't very much from state to state.

If you ever find your family in their sights here's what to do:
Don't ever let them in.
Lawyer up immediately.
Don't believe a word they say.
Make as big of a stink with the media that you can.

The father in this story did everything right.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:48 PM  

OgreMagi: skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.

So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK.  But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone.  Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:26 PM  

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Yeah, a guy named Shawn Moore and his lawyer. Did you not RTFA?

Maybe if these people hadn't been quoted in the article, you might have a point.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:42 PM  

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Coke cans are fast.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:52 PM  
This country needs an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:28 PM  

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


Check the article, MSN is just referancing the original forum post as their source. That is NOT journalism.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:41 PM  
 
2013-03-19 08:50:44 PM  

Deep Contact: This country needs an enema.


I need an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:51:55 PM  

sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.


I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:09 PM  
of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG
 
2013-03-19 08:53:19 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


What's troubling abut him holding the gun? The kid is holding it safely and has undergone firearms training. There is nothing at all illegal about him holding, or even firing the gun, although he CAN'T possess alcohol at 11.


Wait, I know what it is... You're actually lying about not being anti-gun. It's the only explanation for your rabid anti-gun reaction to a child doing something completely safe and completely legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:34 PM  
I don't believe that's the whole story.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:22 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?

No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?

Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.

That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.


Ah.  So you're one of those mindless "Won't anyone think of the children!" people.  I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:25 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


We shouldn't have to defend our freedoms, but it seems we must.

I would sooner defend mine with a lawyer in a courtroom than with a gun.

/he had a blog long before he had the webpage, that is how I found him. Gun Trusts speed up the transfer of NFA weapons immeasurably.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:30 PM  

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


Like welcome to Fark, asshat!
 
2013-03-19 08:54:47 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?
 
2013-03-19 08:54:56 PM  
I grew up around guns. I became a pretty good shot with a .22 by the time I was 12, and my dad would always take me on hunting trips, nature hikes, fishing etc. Considering I'm suburban raised and current urban dweller (and thus not too great at the skill), I can identify more animals and plants than any environmental or animal rights activist I've ever spoken to.

Too bad fark wasn't around to tell me how awful I was for partaking in those activities.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.


No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.
 
2013-03-19 08:55:19 PM  
This is some scary shiat, and I don't doubt most of it is true. Not because I'm a big fan of the second amendment, but because I've heard 485279657-49067-904670-67 stories about CPS abusing their authority to take kids away from perfectly acceptable parents, all because of an "anonymous call" or a custody dispute, or some crap.

Good on him for standing up for his rights. It's not easy, but it's the only right course of action.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:13 PM  

Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


fark if I know. Maybe people think it's not as pretty with the magazine. Try "ruger 10/22 rifle with a banana clip".
 
2013-03-19 08:56:35 PM  
willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
 
2013-03-19 08:56:44 PM  
If you take his word for it.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:02 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.


so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"
 
2013-03-19 08:57:12 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.


Well you can't actually give an 11 year old liquor, but you can give them a gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:26 PM  

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]



awesome tv show
www.sirenvisual.com.au

/pic hotter an expanded sun
//from when anime was cool!
///just skip the first episode, it is not representative
 
2013-03-19 08:58:22 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


Wow, you really are uninformed.  He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.
It sounds to me like it's same reason some people who regularly buy houses and property have their own attorney.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.


The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:44 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: But it sure has brought out the pro-gun people on Fark.  Like ringing a farking dinner bell.  A GUN THREAD!!!  AS SOON AS I'M DONE FAPPING ABOUT IT, I"M POSTING IN THAT BABY!



Wow.  You have a really skewed view of most gun owners.  Like any hobby, some of the enthusiasts are kind of weird, but let's say you really enjoy doing nice things for nature.  Are we to think of you as an insane tree-spiker or a member of the Earth Liberation Front?

This is an issue of government agencies pushing to see how far they can intrude.  It should concern lefties as much as their traditional complaining points, like immigration roadblocks, intrusive drug testing when it isn't necessary, the Patriot Act, warrantless searches, or even Stonewall.

My family is by no means a bunch of gun-fapping extremists, but we do live on the doorstep of the great outdoors.  My kids have been safely handling guns since they were 8 (BBs and .22s--like the kid in the story), went through hunter's safety classes when they were 11, and are currently on their high school trap shooting team.  We own a few handguns but rarely use them at the target range.  I admit it's anecdotal, but around here we're not out of the ordinary.  If anything we're not that fervent, since we have only 5 long guns and two pistols.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:59 PM  

Frank N Stein: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE


STOP TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO
 
2013-03-19 08:59:00 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.

I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.


"we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy who like to say "is you, or is you not, my constituency."

It is a very weak move - guess you got your feelings hurt a bit.

Relax - let other people be emotionally stable for you.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:12 PM  
The Think of The Children! crowd has really gone off the deep end.
 
2013-03-19 09:00:34 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?
 
2013-03-19 09:01:47 PM  

skozlaw: BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.


Social service caseworkers are not police.  Generally, they are licensed social workers, who have a code of conduct to maintain.  That's why I said, "professional misconduct" and not "criminal."

Otherwise, I'm not gonna argue with you.  The story's shaky just because of its source.
 
2013-03-19 09:01:57 PM  

OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.


No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:35 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ya  know, I don't really buy into the tacticool 'thing' either, but the point is that there is a current attempt to ban the tricked out firearm on the bottom, but the top rifle is functionally the same firearm and it would still be legal.  It makes no sense.  The AWB is dumb is the basic point.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:58 PM  
IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"
 
2013-03-19 09:03:23 PM  

willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?
 
2013-03-19 09:03:44 PM  

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


Because the factory magazine for the Ruger 10/22 fits fully inside the stock and isn't visible unless the bottom of the firearms is viewed.
 
2013-03-19 09:03:49 PM  

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Nope, I disagree with both. Wanna categorize me?
 
2013-03-19 09:04:20 PM  
In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:38 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


Lighten up, Pope.  Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today.  Only counted 40 votes for it.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:03 PM  

noitsnot: Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.

Jeez - where to start with this one?


May the Force be with you.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:10 PM  

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


I live with my mom no sublety at all you had better watch out Cheeseboy, this is FARK

What a  miserable life you must have and a complete lack of conscience, casually using the death of innocents to troll.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:41 PM  

remus: FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"

Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


Exactly. Some people don't have very good taste. You are free to mock them.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Lighten up, Pope. Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today. Only counted 40 votes for it.


That's not the point. I'm tired of this debate being defined from the pro-guns side by obnoxious people with no capacity for rational thought.

As evidenced by the fact that this crap article is what we get in the name of a pro gun argument.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:33 PM  

pedrop357: Wow, you really are uninformed. He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.


He specifies he has never actually hired the attorney in his comment.

You dumbass.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:17 PM  

jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.


And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:56 PM  

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. "Make it evil," he'd been told. "Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with."
 
2013-03-19 09:08:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


Reid said it didn't even have 40 votes, which is kind of a "whoa" moment.   Couldn't even get 40.
 
2013-03-19 09:08:28 PM  
Everyone in complete disbelief about this story, what's so unbelievable about it?
 
2013-03-19 09:09:28 PM  
Some guy:
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.
And then DFS demanded to look in my gun safe but I stood my ground!"

Conservatives:
"Sounds legit!"
 
2013-03-19 09:09:36 PM  
I wonder how long until this is all over facebook?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:29 PM  

sbking: "we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy


What about the guy who likes to say I, me, my a lot?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:40 PM  

feckingmorons: jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.

And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.


No no no, you just don't get it, do you?

There is a massive Koch-funded conservative NRA media conspiracy (led by Faux Snooz) trying to trick the ignorant gun-toting rednecks into defending the second amendement despite the fact that nobody is trying to take their guns away.

And this is getting in the way of our righteous campaign to pass more gun restrictions and bans.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:48 PM  

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?


So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 09:11:59 PM  

teeny: IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


But that's how media hysteria works. In a nation of 300 million plus people, an incident happens - and we are supposed to draw universal conclusions from it.
There's plenty good money to be made in confirming peoples paranoia.
 
2013-03-19 09:12:19 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


You insult people a lot. People you don't even know.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:01 PM  

brandent: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?


Those cheerfully colored guns are not designed to appeal to children- they are made as collectables as they have the dual purpose of both protection as well as being a trendy accessory.  I saw a number of these in a gun shop one day and I was a little taken aback by the cute trendy appearance of some of the weaponry.   I was told by a dealer, they have become popular amongst the single female 20-25 age group.  occasionally, they are purchased as gifts for collectors, spouses, or family members just getting out on their own.  Very few adults have actually asked about them as an entry level weapon for children as most responsible gun owners understand that a weapon is not a toy.  He did say a couple of obvious non-owners asked about the hello Kitty hand gun as a first timer and he said they were directed over to the single shot 22 rifles instead.

I question whether a dealer would target your 10  yr old without getting your input as the decision about who gets what is made by you.  If he was allowed to handle a weapon by a salesman, it would only because you gave your consent for him to do so.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:25 PM  

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?

So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]


Is the kid with the target rifle being used as a child soldier? I didn't notice that. Can you point that out for me in the news articles about this please.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:31 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


i feel the exact opposite way. i'm not a fan of guns at all(aside from being fascinated by their mechanics), but no law is being broken and the kid is certified. how the fark do they have the right to even make threats like that?
 
2013-03-19 09:14:24 PM  

jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?
 
2013-03-19 09:16:12 PM  

remus: Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


And when I see "that guy" on the highway, I know there's a million to one chance he's a douchebag who is a danger to himself and others, and I avoid him like the plague.

Prejudices exist for a reason. Rice out your car and chances are you're a dangerously stupid driver who doesn't know what they're doing. show up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context, and that's twice as true.

It means that more than likely, you do not understand your weapon, you do not understand guns in general and you shouldn't have one until you get clued in.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:13 PM  

Shadyman: "[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.


The problem is a public servant acted on their personal beliefs and biases and engaged a law-abiding citizen using "the law" in a threatening, malicious manner. The public servant likely committed malfeasance and misfeasnace and should be prosecuted, but most likely will just be fired after the ensuing lawsuit.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:44 PM  
The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:09 PM  

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


From what I read they plan to add many parts back later. Like a Zombie you know. You have to unload the whole mag on it.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:13 PM  

jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?


I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:39 PM  

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


They aren't shown without mags, the stock ten round mags fit flush to the stock so you can't see them. The ones with wood stocks tend to be the plain-jane, unmodified versions, which means they most often have the original mags.

FlashHarry: what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics. You might be able to make an argument that the aftermarket stocks make them (and other guns) more deadly by making them lighter and more comfortable, but that still depends on the shooter. Personally, I prefer the traditional wood stocks, so I shoot better with them compared to plastic.
 
2013-03-19 09:19:24 PM  

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


She probably crushed some pearls clutching them so much.
 
2013-03-19 09:19:30 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Oh, you're good.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:34 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Oh, you're good.


Perhaps a bit too good - i was trying to make a point but blurred the lines a bit much.

Then got tangled up with a old college buddy (now i don't think it was actually him).
 
2013-03-19 09:22:02 PM  

geekbikerskum: The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.


You mean like this one....

gerarddirect.com
 
2013-03-19 09:22:48 PM  

feckingmorons: sbking: "we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy

What about the guy who likes to say I, me, my a lot?


Oh.  I thought you were talking about these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIL75TnWtnw
 
2013-03-19 09:24:15 PM  

jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?


They're coming fer our sons....
 
2013-03-19 09:24:45 PM  

willfullyobscure: military-style weapon


But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.
 
2013-03-19 09:24:48 PM  
So now, it's reached the point where, if I don't take this stupid debate "seriously" enough, the butthurt are going to take other people's words and gin up a fake quote to make it look like I said it? Are you f**king people twelve? Is that the only way you can convince yourselves you have "won" an argument?
 
2013-03-19 09:27:10 PM  

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.


I think he, and others, want you to go away...

/i really hope this is J.G.
 
2013-03-19 09:27:15 PM  

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


Out of curiosity, why the wild accusations?  Here is a guy who reported his story on Delaware Open Carry.  Then a writer for The Blaze contacts him to get more info.  The Blaze talks to the guy's lawyer but the police and family services both refuse to answer any questions.

You pull "slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation" totally out of your ass.  Then, your ass still being full, you start with some bizarre accent and actually have a problem with him refusing a warrantless search of his "perpity".  But I guess since you claim to have found this guy posting multiple versions of his story (love to see the citations for these, btw) you feel justified as making shiat up.
 
2013-03-19 09:27:25 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I'm thinking bullshiat:


He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."

links to the inquisitor and blaze.


Not sure if its bullshiat or not but this is the same sentence I have a problem with, fark him and his inflated ego.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:21 PM  
Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

www.nam.ac.uk
 
2013-03-19 09:28:32 PM  

jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.


Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:59 PM  
Doesn't Senator Feinstein also have a CCR?
Looks like she needs some refresher training in handling procedures IMHO.

gerarddirect.com
 
2013-03-19 09:29:23 PM  

feckingmorons: The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.


Yeah but like, perception is reality, so like, a scary looking .22 is more dangerous than a .22 with a traditional stock. Maaaan.
 
2013-03-19 09:29:24 PM  

willfullyobscure: military-style clothing


I bet you he had a military style breakfast too!

You seem fixated. Do you hate the military?
 
2013-03-19 09:30:23 PM  

Allen262: geekbikerskum: The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.

You mean like this one....

[gerarddirect.com image 450x366]


That's the same finger she put in bullet holes, you insensitive monster.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:23 PM  
Too bad this criminal still has guns. He shouldn't have broke the law.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:26 PM  

jigger: jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.

Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.


"Oh well?"
That's a deep subject.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:30 PM  

willfullyobscure: What about that picture says "sporting shooter" to you, pal?


The .22 caliber rifle.

/Whoops, dropped a paragraph last post.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:44 PM  
Well when I was 10, I shot using a .22 for BSA.  We got a badge.  Had it been nowadays Im sure it would have been on Facebook.  Since there was no pic in the article, I can't tell what DFS was biatching about.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:05 PM  

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x682]


those guys in the background---you are a moron.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:12 PM  
Odd.
"Exactly the same" with a different magazine capacity.
I imagine the scope would allow greater accuracy from a greater distance.
The stand would allow a steadier shot, from a fixed position.
The flash suppressor would suppress flashes.
The magazine would allow for a higher capacity.

Other than that, they're exactly the same.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:30 PM  
I honestly didn't even see the kid in the photo the first dozen or so times I looked.  Then I realized he was wearing camo and was just barely able to discern his location in the photo.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:41 PM  
I'll be a gambler, baby
Lay down the bet
We get together, mama
You'll sweat
 
2013-03-19 09:32:43 PM  
Hey, this is a great story! There's enough stupidity to go around for everybody!

But seriously. What type of gun are we talking? hunting? gang-banger? mass murderer? Was the gun loaded? Was it cocked? Was the kid pointing it at somebody? Was the father responsibly teaching gun safety and practicing it? Was the kid too dumb to live?

I'm a liberal and in favour of reasonable restrictions on the manufacture, sales, purchase, ownership and use of guns. But I like a bit of venison or moose, partrige, duck or goose. I don't object to salmon or trout or even coarse fishing of some species.

This is not an automatic decision. If a guy wants to take a picture of a kid with a gun, it makes a difference to me whether he is holding it to the head of a battered black man or white woman. It makes a difference whether the gun is legal, the purpose of the gun is legitimate, and the use of the gun rational and responsible.

I fired a gun once. It was my grandfather's XIXth century heirloom, as heavy as a dog and with a kick like a mule. Enough gun training for me. It taught me that you should stick heirlooms in museums or display cases with locks because sticking them into the hands of an untrained child is not a great idea, even with instructions.

On the other hand, some kids like to hunt, just as some men don't. Even some women like to hunt.

My Father has that gun now and he obeys the laws regarding safety and security. The gun is locked up, so is the ammo, and I expect the firing pins are removed if that is what the law says. Even guns that aren't designed specifically to hurt or kill people do so when abused.

Did the gun get abused? Was the kid abused? Or is it abusive to threaten the kid simply because of a photo.

There are a number of photos my family members took that could get you arrested and treated like a permanent threat to society--for example bathtub photos of little kids. Parents think this goo is cute and nostalgic. Predators seem to like it too. But one is not ipso facto a sexual predator and monster for taking such a photograph or having one in a drawer some where. One reason we have juries and judges is so that occasionally common sense will prevail over the forces of authority and law. It doesn't always work, sadly.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:46 PM  
I was 10.

i.imgur.com

Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.
 
2013-03-19 09:33:06 PM  

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style clothing

I bet you he had a military style breakfast too!

You seem fixated. Do you hate the military?


Your dinner might have come out of military-style devices. Food canning for invented for the Napoleonic Army, which makes any canned food evil and requires them to be outlawed?
 
2013-03-19 09:33:11 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Well when I was 10, I shot using a .22 for BSA.  We got a badge.  Had it been nowadays Im sure it would have been on Facebook.  Since there was no pic in the article, I can't tell what DFS was biatching about.


Why do you hate gay people you BSA joiner?
 
2013-03-19 09:34:29 PM  
I actually, and unfortunately, know someone who works for DYFS. They really are like this. They really do think nothing of taking a kid from his home, without a court order and without exigent circumstances. And the cops are basically required to go along with them, even if what they're doing is totally illegal. I would not be shocked if every word of this story were true, including the bit where she refused to give her name. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that I knew the idiot.

/fascists
 
2013-03-19 09:34:32 PM  

clowncar on fire: brandent: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?

Those cheerfully colored guns are not designed to appeal to children- they are made as collectables as they have the dual purpose of both protection as well as being a trendy accessory.  I saw a number of these in a gun shop one day and I was a little taken aback by the cute trendy appearance of some of the weaponry.   I was told by a dealer, they have become popular amongst the single female 20-25 age group.  occasionally, they are purchased as gifts for collectors, spouses, or family members just getting out on their own.  Very few adults have actually asked about them as an en ...


I didn't say he was allowed to handle one.  Your statements about the "20 something" are either just plain due to inexperience on your part or you are a gun nut trying to lie.  They are specifically called "youth model" and "jr" and targeted to teenagers.  They are NOT collectibles.  In the case of the Remington 870 youth model it is actually a very practical and useful gun for a teenager to learn on.  But let's not kid ourselves here.  They are made for, branded, and marketed for youth under the age of 18.

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=GM413065 &a ID=510D2
referred to as "jr" at Gander Mountain.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=705625
Note the "youth 870 express" in the table

And here note an entire inventory of "youth" shotguns.

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/

You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.
 
2013-03-19 09:34:38 PM  

feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]


The Republicans should push for legislation to rollback the regulations on those.
 
2013-03-19 09:35:23 PM  
I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?
We have enough ugly people. If we take his kids now, and let them be raised by circus people, they might end up in a cage, biting the heads off chickens - where they belong.
The small hands and pervasive cabbage odor are a small price to pay.
 
2013-03-19 09:36:24 PM  

sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


60% of the trouble we have with alcohol and youth in this country is because we don't have kids drink.  It's a hell of a lot easier to control eleven-year-olds than nineteen-year-olds.
 
2013-03-19 09:36:28 PM  

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.


Correct. My argument is about style. A Model 70 can pierce an armored car. A Tikka T3 is a better sniper platform than anything the military uses. A Marlin 60 holds fifteen rounds and can be reloaded in 3 seconds(with a tube). None of these guns look like an AR-15 because they are purpose built- they are not fashion accessories. Guns should not be fashion accessories. We give up nothing by losing these tactifool firearms except the gun nut fantasy world of FEMA camps and Rambo wannabes.

My argument is that people who buy firearms in order to pretend they are bad ass Navy Ranger specops BUDS paratroopeals are fools, and we should not suffer fools gladly, because we do not want to live in a society where the civilian apes military dress, military manners, and so on.

You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?
 
2013-03-19 09:36:35 PM  

jaytkay: none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.


feckingmorons: And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.


Cuz if you tell a bullshiat story and "many other sites" correspond with you it has to true.

That's some excellent detective work there, Lou.

And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

How conveeeenient!!
 
2013-03-19 09:37:25 PM  

badhatharry: feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]

The Republicans should push for legislation to rollback the regulations on those.


I like it just the way it is. I don't want the value of my gun to drop. Too bad for the suckers that didn't get them in 86.
 
2013-03-19 09:37:27 PM  

4.bp.blogspot.com

Choirboys with machine guns.
The Pedophile Priest's worst nightmare.
Nobody would be molested if everybody
was required to carry bigger guns than the Clergy.

I love it when people post great pictures to threads.
And I love the smell of gunpowder tea in the morning.

 
2013-03-19 09:38:36 PM  

A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.


20 years later

ospois.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-19 09:39:23 PM  
NRA life memberships are $700 off during a promotion.

Three hundred bucks for a life membership in the NRA is sweet.
 
2013-03-19 09:39:33 PM  

willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die.


It couldn't possibly be that the parent is trying to encourage his son to embrace the traditional virtues associated with being a soldier... after all, everyone of willfullyobscure's acquaintance knows that all soldiers are Nazis. And since every weapon by definition is "deadly", really any parent who allows their son or daughter to learn to shoot a gun is automatically an accomplice to murder, right? 

Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.


You seem to be cool with having the State kidnap children merely because their parents, who have committed no crime, are instilling in them the same values that made their country great... you are not "sane" at all: you are a dangerous left- wing lunatic.
 
2013-03-19 09:40:11 PM  

brandent: http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.


I thought i was gay for a while because I loved my aunt's .410 so much when I was 11. Damn that was a great shooter. But my asshole cousins kept calling it "the ladies' shotgun, nyeeahhh"

Little did they know I beat off in their closet to their copies of Cosmo and Seventeen, those coonty biatches.
 
2013-03-19 09:40:58 PM  

jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.


If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.
 
2013-03-19 09:41:26 PM  

willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die. Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.


Funny thing.  I grew up in a military household.  My dad wasn't "dad", he was "sir".  I spend a lot of weekends at the range on base.  In the end, I joined the military and "do or die" became much more than a motto.  Are you suggesting this was wrong as well?  If so, things get really squirrelly.
 
2013-03-19 09:41:29 PM  

jigger: jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.

Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.


Actually, I said that. According to the lawyer's statement, it was the child services agent demanding to see everything. The police were simply responding to the initial call, and there was no mention of them making any demands, ever.  The social services lady was the one making demands, and got pissed about having her "authority" bucked, and she made a bunch of shiatty threats (that never happened.)  She should be investigated and reprimanded at the very least. She is the villain in the story. But the father is acting like the orders were coming directly from law enforcement. Was he wronged? Yes. By law enforcement? No. But the gun nuts are going to lay all the blame on the police/fartbama.

I don't think people should be able to give tips anonymously.
 
2013-03-19 09:42:08 PM  

fnordfocus: EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.

I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


The legislature should slap them down *HARD*.  Say 6 months in jail for anybody in law enforcement that conceals their identity when it's supposed to be visible.

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all? There was no crime. There was no indication of abuse. IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle. Why should that cause government scrutiny? There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody. That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Exactly.  Showing up, especially in force, is totally unjustified.

brandent: The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms). Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun. There are all manner of pink guns for little girls. My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages). I told him he must wait until he is 12. Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost. The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.


Yeah, that's utterly out of line.  I'd tell management.

I have no problem with properly trained kids having firearms.  I have a big problem with trying to bypass the parents who know the kid.
 
2013-03-19 09:42:17 PM  
It's hard to tell the French choirboys from the Palestinian terrorists when they wear both wear berets and carry machine guns. Stop giving terrorist machine gun squads berets! Stop giving French choir boys machine guns to play with!

And have you ever noticed that the only way to tell Israel soldiers from Palestianian boys is their choice of weapon, namely machine guns versus rocks? (Rocks is the wrong choice, apparently, to bring to a machine-gun fight.)

Can't tell the players without a programme. Get your pograms here! Oops. Get your programmes, here!
 
2013-03-19 09:42:37 PM  

willfullyobscure: brandent: http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.

I thought i was gay for a while because I loved my aunt's .410 so much when I was 11. Damn that was a great shooter. But my asshole cousins kept calling it "the ladies' shotgun, nyeeahhh"

Little did they know I beat off in their closet to their copies of Cosmo and Seventeen, those coonty biatches.


The posting rules state that Fark is not anyone's personal erotica site. Perhaps you should read them, and wash your hands.
 
2013-03-19 09:44:58 PM  

jigger: 20 years later

[creepyfatguntoyguitarguy.jpeg]


Nice.
 
2013-03-19 09:47:14 PM  
Any post starting with the word "so" probably isn't worth response.

"So you think..."
"So it doesn't..."
"So they shouldn't have to..."

and etc. An experienced observation from a guy that's been discussing things with people on the Internet since the Usenet days. Do with it what you will.
 
2013-03-19 09:47:15 PM  

feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.


Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:01 PM  

jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?


Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:45 PM  
While plausible I do have my doubts about any story where the sources are Inquisitr and The Blaze
 
2013-03-19 09:49:40 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.


You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:10 PM  
I'm sure this 100% legit and not skewed or misleading or complete bullshiat in any way.
 
m00
2013-03-19 09:50:20 PM  

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.

Oh wait... that was good. Almost got me. 4/10.
 
2013-03-19 09:52:28 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.


With the weapon in that state what possible danger could there have been from having your finger on the trigger? Or have you been talking to this woman about the danger of "unloaded guns":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-03-19 09:52:32 PM  

rohar: willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die. Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.

Funny thing.  I grew up in a military household.  My dad wasn't "dad", he was "sir".  I spend a lot of weekends at the range on base.  In the end, I joined the military and "do or die" became much more than a motto.  Are you suggesting this was wrong as well?  If so, things get really squirrelly.


We're gonna get squirrelly?!!??  That sounds kinda fun!

www.generalsemantics.org
 
2013-03-19 09:52:38 PM  

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.


Maybe he planed it...
 
2013-03-19 09:53:14 PM  

jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.


His wife called him. Dude was not at home. He called his lawyer on the way home and put him on speaker phone.

Now people want to claim derp "source is a forum" derp.....but do you think MSNBC would give him the time of day? Especially since they are trying to help push the gun control agenda.

If FOX gave him an interview you woiuld porbably claim derrr hurrr source im not clicking the link......
 
2013-03-19 09:53:34 PM  

feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]


I have fired a 21/28 overstamp. Nice piece...Come to think of it, my son who was 16 at the time fired it too. #automaticfun!
 
2013-03-19 09:54:50 PM  

Pangit: Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.


Dumb idea Dad!
Not that you were teaching your kid gun safety ,thats a good idea,but dumb to let a 7 year old shoot a .44 mag or any large caliber firearm.It teaches a child to flinch and can be hard to unteach.
 
2013-03-19 09:55:21 PM  
Story sounds fake.  Or the "reporter" just sucks.   If it was real there should be at there very least a quote from somebody at DYFS giving their side of the story or at least saying no comment.  As it is now there is not enough specifics to pass the urban legend test.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:06 PM  

feckingmorons: But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole).


OMG, Here comes the war . . .

/it's damn good no matter wtf you call it.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:23 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Any post starting with the word "so" probably isn't worth response.

"So you think..."
"So it doesn't..."
"So they shouldn't have to..."

and etc. An experienced observation from a guy that's been discussing things with people on the Internet since the Usenet days. Do with it what you will.


So, you're saying you don't like strawman arguments?
You know what I hate?
Rhetorical questions.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:45 PM  

GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:49 PM  
The tears of the fun control (sic) advocates are delicious.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:59 PM  

Rivetman1.0: Doesn't Senator Feinstein also have a CCR?
Looks like she needs some refresher training in handling procedures IMHO.

[gerarddirect.com image 450x366]


LOL. The scary drum magazine.  Hell, you want to do something about magazines?  Make drums the only thing available.  You're a helluva lot less likely to get 30 rounds out of a drum before it jams than you are a standard capacity 30 round mag.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:06 PM  

jaytkay: Who I just happened to have on speed dial.


One of the staff at ar15.com is a very very liberal and very very famous NY attorney.

Alot of members at ar15.com have him on speed dial.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:32 PM  
The Blaze and some shaitty blog?  Seems legit...
 
2013-03-19 09:57:42 PM  

m00: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.



Man, that just made me flash back to every summe