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(Opposing Views)   Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun, social services shows up at his door demanding entry into his home and access to guns or else they will "take his kids"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 756
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2013-03-19 08:08:46 PM
When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.
 
2013-03-19 08:11:39 PM
OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right
 
2013-03-19 08:13:15 PM
Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?
 
2013-03-19 08:13:32 PM
Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.
 
2013-03-19 08:13:57 PM

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Yes.

The Blaze.
 
2013-03-19 08:13:58 PM
molon labe?
 
2013-03-19 08:14:00 PM
Imagine if he would have had a picture with the constitution!
 
2013-03-19 08:14:19 PM
Good for him for knowing his rights and keeping a calm head to consult his attorney. A lot of people would have done something stupid and he didn't. I give him credit for that and hope they leave him alone, but chances are his life is going to be hell for some time unfortunately. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off
 
2013-03-19 08:14:24 PM
"[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.
 
2013-03-19 08:14:25 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Dammit. I was hoping to see a pink rifle. ;-)
 
2013-03-19 08:14:30 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly
 
2013-03-19 08:15:02 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


You could have just done this.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:07 PM
"When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "

When an unidentified person attempts to gain entry your house it is best to call the cops. The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:11 PM
Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!
 
2013-03-19 08:15:25 PM
I'm thinking bullshiat:


He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."

links to the inquisitor and blaze.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:29 PM
Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.
 
2013-03-19 08:15:31 PM
We seem to Be headed in this direction
 
2013-03-19 08:16:16 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:16:42 PM

Pangit: Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.


Here in Roanoke, a few years ago we had a front page article in the newspaper about a 6 year old (?) girl who took down a bear (with her father's help). I don't recall CPS (or whatever) getting involved.
 
2013-03-19 08:16:50 PM
Obama.
 
2013-03-19 08:17:12 PM
He's right, most people would not have refused entry. Good for him for exercising his rights. Shame on the authorities for bothering him and his family in the first place.
 
2013-03-19 08:17:37 PM
I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???
 
2013-03-19 08:17:38 PM
Are we supposed to be outraged?  The story's tag implies so.  What is this father doing posting photos of a minor on Facebook?  That's absolutely grounds for losing custody of his child.  Think of all the molesters out there that might jerk off to that photo and the people that steal kids and then sell stolen kids to people without kids in other countries might be able to use the photos to identify the kid's location and steal him.  It's completely irresponsible and we need to teach these parents a lesson -- post photos of your kids online and you'll lose your kid.  Either the government will take your child, or people that steal kids will take your child.  It's better if the government does it first because at least your kid will go to molesters in the United States rather than molesters in the Ukraine.
 
2013-03-19 08:18:30 PM

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


flagg.deratrius.com

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.
 
ecl
2013-03-19 08:18:55 PM
This sounds totally legit.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:19:10 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


Wow. Surprised you didn't go with "become the next Hitler". I mean, if you're going to go with logical stretches, go for the really grandiose ones.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:15 PM
Oh, it was the gun I was supposed to be outraged about.  I couldn't tell.  Give me a minute longer to channel my fake outrage over the gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:50 PM

Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


Citation please.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:51 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


It's a .22, the kid is
 
2013-03-19 08:20:11 PM
Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?
 
2013-03-19 08:20:26 PM
War criminal!!
www.awsg.us

Terrorists!!
4.bp.blogspot.com

2nd Amendment hero!!
 www.opposingviews.com
 
2013-03-19 08:20:31 PM
The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.
 
2013-03-19 08:20:41 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


That is frankly the most absurd comment I have ever seen on Fark. What do you really mean? Are you in favor of warrantless searches of homes?

Are you so afraid of a licensed hunter that you have to label him as a future mass murderer?

You need to live in reality with the rest of us. Guns are tools, just like you.
 
2013-03-19 08:20:53 PM

NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.


My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.
 
2013-03-19 08:21:26 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:07 PM

NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.


news.gunholsters.com

Jeesus cracker hopping Christ!  Somebody actually thought that this was a good idea?
 
ecl
2013-03-19 08:22:10 PM
Fark: Trollfest2k13
 
2013-03-19 08:22:16 PM

2xhelix: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

Citation please.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:22:29 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:38 PM

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.


It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:52 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal
 
2013-03-19 08:22:59 PM

Pangit: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


I don't know- I joined a gun forum for liberals recently and I've found a few on there. No big deal, ain't no thang.
 
spr
2013-03-19 08:23:10 PM
the "kid" was certified by his home state (New Jersey) as being *trained* to use that firearm for hunting.  he'd passed the state test.     

Molon Labe.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:12 PM

feckingmorons: You need to live in reality with the rest of us


I am eager to learn how much this guy's story has to do with reality.

It smells worse than Courtney Love's hoo-hah after a three week shower-free crack bender.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:32 PM
DFS was the TSA before the TSA was the TSA.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:42 PM

EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.


I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:54 PM
There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:56 PM

clowncar on fire: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

[news.gunholsters.com image 850x637]

Jeesus cracker hopping Christ!  Somebody actually thought that this was a good idea?


That's not a good idea, that's an AWESOME idea.
Too bad it won't fit in my daughter's backpack :(
 
2013-03-19 08:24:11 PM

Pangit: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly


Seems the Jews could teach them something.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:22 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:28 PM

ArcadianRefugee: What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.


I like this. I may steal it.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:44 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Since the kid passed the state program for hunters under 18 what's the big deal?

/took the test in Pa when I was 11 too
 
2013-03-19 08:25:07 PM
That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-19 08:25:19 PM

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]


Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com
 
ecl
2013-03-19 08:25:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.


image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-03-19 08:25:25 PM
If we teach our kids to hold big guns and shoot big guns, imagine what other large phallic objects they'll want to fondle and stick in their mouths.  This is a Christian nation, and everybody has the right to own a gun, but as a parent it is your duty to teach your kids to be heterosexual and not have him idolize guns and shooting stuff that might turn him gay.  Furthermore, if you insist on teaching your kid his way around a rifle, you better be sure not to dress him so snappy and fashionable.  You're practically sticking your cock in his mouth.  It's wrong.  It's sick.  It's got to stop.  It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:01 PM
The important thing is to stay pissed off at all times.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:18 PM

maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?


I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:41 PM

Sticky Hands: The lesson to be learned:

Don't post pictures on Facebook.


Amen.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:53 PM
I posted pictures and video of my 10 year old nephew skeet shooting and at the rifle range, nobody said a thing.

/He does live in Rural Alabama
 
2013-03-19 08:27:08 PM

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.


Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:19 PM

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.



MSN has it with a picture of the boy.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:42 PM

fnordfocus: EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.

I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:03 PM

ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal


Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.
 
2013-03-19 08:28:06 PM

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


www.govgroup.com
 
2013-03-19 08:28:26 PM
"Father takes pic of 11-year-old son with gun"

So what's the resolution on this cameragun?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:00 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
[cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com image 590x300]


To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:11 PM

feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.


So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?
 
2013-03-19 08:29:16 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: MrHappyRotter: It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.

attractive and successful African-AmericanS?


Hilarious filter pwnage.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:19 PM

cman: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Father and son hunting is very traditional. Plus a father teaching a son how to shoot other guns is also traditional.

Not as well practiced as it once was, but still, taking something like that away as a potential Father/Son bonding time is a bit stupid.


Father and son beating and raping their slaves used to be traditional as well - change can be good.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:24 PM
Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:54 PM

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:59 PM
Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:03 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:51 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And their "source" is the same friggin' forum post.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:18 PM

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.


Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),
 
2013-03-19 08:31:21 PM
I can sympathize with this poor bastards plight. I'm getting a screwing right now on a weapon charge. Costing me a lot of money over nothing just like this is probably costing that guy money. Lawyers aint cheap.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:26 PM

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


Can't tell if stupid or trolling.

/can be both I guess
 
2013-03-19 08:31:44 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:04 PM

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?
 
2013-03-19 08:32:06 PM

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


Seems quite credible, the Nappens are quite well know attorneys in New Jersey for gun rights.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:13 PM

jaytkay: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: assault weapons ban advocates are typically uninformed or very stupid. Often both.

Not as stupid as the people who get all excited about defeating my claim about assault weapons (when I never mentioned assault weapons),


Your initial claim was hyperbolic and stupid. It reveals either that you are a troll or that you are developmentally disabled.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:41 PM

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


This sounds far more likely - puffed-up PITA bragging about how he ran them guvmint people off, when more likely they came as part of a routine call, didn't find a problem, and left. Couple that with an attorney looking to drum up a little business, and we get this shiat.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:02 PM

noitsnot: minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.

And they just refer to the forum post as their source.  Sad.


Investigating takes time and money, and ultimately is worthless.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:09 PM
The DYFS reprensentative needs to be arrested for making a threat like that.  Probably need to call the state police or FBI for that.
 
2013-03-19 08:33:39 PM

WhyKnot: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted, I don't know if you are serious or not.

The kid is 11, his dad is a certified instructor, the kid hunts, the kid has his safety certificate....and the gun in question is a 22 caliber.

I really don't see the issue...well, I guess if you grow up in an urban environment never exposed to camping, hunting, or fishing you might have a problem with it. You would be wrong, but I guess I could see why you would make that mistake.


Perhaps i was being a bit too "on the nose."

I was making fun of the fundamental lefties...
 
2013-03-19 08:34:05 PM

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


So you doubt the Blaze because you don't agree with their politics, is that it? You think they made up quotes from NJ licensed attorneys and faked photographs of four police officers.

OK. If you say so.
 
2013-03-19 08:34:40 PM
No video?  Does he still have a dumb phone?  I would expect an audio recording at least that he could take to federal court on abuse of authority charges and violation of civil rights and start suing everyone involved especially if he contacted his lawyer before he arrived at his home.  How about names and badge numbers of the cops attempting to violate his fourth amendment rights.  Just doesn't pass the smell test.  Leave this kind of BS to the liberturds.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:03 PM

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Just the AP version.

Good on the parents.  Fark that arrogant, cowardly social services biatch.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:41 PM

skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.


So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:43 PM
I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:44 PM
Well. The trolls got a hold of this thread in one hell of a hurry.
 
2013-03-19 08:35:46 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

or a free condom from school.

 
2013-03-19 08:36:17 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?


No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.

Responsible gun owners happily follow the law. It seems the child welfare folks in New Jersey don't.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:48 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.


He's an NRA instructor.  It's pretty standard fare to have a firearms lawyer on retainer and a good insurance policy.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:52 PM

feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.


We had a 22 can plinker when I was a kid.  Lived out in the country and you needed a toy like that in case you had rats, a rabid racoon, or the occasional belligerent drunk banging away at your door at 2 am looking for a place to sleep.  Although it remained in house for 5 years in the hall closet with a box of rounds up on the shelf, it was never touched by either my brother or myself unless we had adults around.

It was my mother who was the one that finally, after repeated requests of a drunk to please leave her alone, fired a shot into the air out her bedroom window, and causing the cad to flee.

Dad had a hilarious time with a cornered rat in a trashcan once but it was mostly just using for plinking cans on a Saturday afternoon.
 
2013-03-19 08:36:58 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.


For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?
 
2013-03-19 08:37:14 PM
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-03-19 08:37:25 PM

OgreMagi: fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.

I'm fairly certain that isn't legal.


It probably isn't, but who watches the watchmen?
 
2013-03-19 08:38:17 PM
I'm sure they wanted to keep the kid from shooting his eye out.
www.ohiocitywriters.org
 
2013-03-19 08:38:33 PM

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:39:05 PM
Pretty sure the right to keep and bear children is not in the Constitution but at least they can't take his guns.
 
2013-03-19 08:39:18 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


the source cited in the article is the blog, and there's nothing in the rticle corroborating anything, no statement from the police if dyfs so thus isn't a MSN article, its a rehash of the victims forum post.

that said, IF the story is accurate, then the dude was right to stand his ground on this. its bullshiat what happened. IF that's what happened
 
2013-03-19 08:39:40 PM

FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.


Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.
 
2013-03-19 08:40:46 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.


Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:13 PM

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?


No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?


Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.


That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:15 PM
Quoting: "We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off ahttp://www.deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


A little bit of research would have shown you that it was also reported by the Associated Press and relayed by many news agencies siting Wayne Parry as the author.  Granted, a lot of people around here jump on the "Oh, if it's from MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, or The Blaze, it's not a credible story." But they do occasionally report the news (at least 15% of the time ;) )
 
2013-03-19 08:41:25 PM

feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.


Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:29 PM
My uncle taught me how to shoot when I was 10-ish. Albeit airguns, but pretty powerful ones used for target practice. Learned all the handling protocol with loading, safety, trigger, and to never point the barrel at anything you don't intend to shoot. I've been teaching my kids the same way to handle their own nerf guns with respect, barrel down or to the sky.

It's surprising how many will point even loaded and charged guns at other people "as a joke". Someone find that link to the study on different child age groups who were put in a play area with a real (unloaded) gun hidden in the toy box, and how very few children took the appropriate response of not touching it and alerting an adult when they found them.
 
2013-03-19 08:41:47 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?
 
2013-03-19 08:41:48 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.

Not everybody has an attorney on retainer. It would never occur to me to have an attorney in my back pocket over a picture of my son holding a firearm. I can only imagine what they would think if they knew that my 10-year-old son not only has his own .22 rifle (in my name until he's old enough), but was taught how to shoot and has gone to the range with me starting around age 8. OH NOES! I'd better look into unnecessarily paying a lawyer in case some butthurt busybody dimes me out to the people who know how to parent my child better than I do.

Just typing that last line was difficult, simply because it's too absurd for words. I guess it's really not, though, not in 2013.


I have the lawyer for the gun trust I have for automatic weapons and other NFA weapons. If I had a problem like this he would be my go to guy. But heck and lawyer, even a crappy tax lawyer would tell you don't let government agents into your house uninvited unless they have a Court order and then you can't stop them anyway.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:22 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:44 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Pump action? I had one too.For me it meant I didn't have to carry any extra ammo around when I took it hunting.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:46 PM

pyrotek85: NephilimNexus: Pangit: Gays mostly dont like Guns.

/mostly

[flagg.deratrius.com image 463x250]

You'd be surprised.  Those most targeted for hate crimes are the people who need the most personal defense.

My thinking exactly. You'd think minorities (women as well) would be more interested in personal defense if anything. Gay bashing isn't so fun if they can shoot back.


Martin Luther King And His Guns

"William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that once, during a visit to King's parsonage, he went to sit down on an armchair in the living room and, to his surprise, almost sat on a loaded gun. Glenn Smiley, an adviser to King, described King's home as "an arsenal.""

 
2013-03-19 08:42:51 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.


So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:54 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


1/10
 
2013-03-19 08:43:18 PM

EvilEgg: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.

Is that your own hand? Why would anyone have a random picture like that?


I make pictures. It's what I do.
 
2013-03-19 08:43:27 PM
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as thepalladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral checkagainst usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even ifthese are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist andtriumph over them."-- Supreme CourtJustice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court --
 
2013-03-19 08:43:32 PM

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


Google ruger .22
 
2013-03-19 08:43:44 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation. I even own a fully automatic weapon. I am a responsible gun owner. I'm also an attorney, but firearms law is not what I know so I go to a specialist when I want things done right.

I don't do my own plumbing or electrical work either, I pay competent professionals to do it.


Dude - It's easy...
 
2013-03-19 08:44:27 PM

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-1
 
2013-03-19 08:44:33 PM

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x682]


i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:11 PM

Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.


It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
modernsurvivalonline.com
 
2013-03-19 08:45:56 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


That thing destroyed so many old Folgers cans and coke cans.  It was horrific.  No one was spared, not even Mr. Pibb.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:14 PM
I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.
 
2013-03-19 08:46:34 PM
Gun control has little to with safety.

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
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Because you're not considering what happens outside the frame of the photograph. Teaching a kid marksmanship so he'll be able to hunt and defend himself later in life is vastly different than "kill those men and I'll give you alcohol/Prepare to kill those Jews and Allah will bless you".
 
2013-03-19 08:47:23 PM

serpent_sky: y. Once you're on child protective services' radar, it's hard to get off


Once they are on my radar, I scrape them off my boots.
In front of the judge.

Man up, nancy nation.
It's time to turn back the clock on knee jerk stupidity.
 
2013-03-19 08:47:34 PM
If this story is even true it looks like the guy and his family did everything right...but man, anything that leads to chest-bumping and dick-waving from the gun nutters just rubs me the wrong way. Speaking as a guy that held hunting licenses, was a Greenwing, ate winged and furred things he killed, and even competed as a trap shooter when he was a teenager.

fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


Common? No. Happens during politically-charged riots? Sometimes. Always illegal? Yes. Are they getting away with it? Not so much any more.

https://www.baycitizen.org/news/policing/two-oakland-officers-discip li ned-over/
 
2013-03-19 08:47:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.


Jeez - where to start with this one?
 
2013-03-19 08:47:57 PM

feckingmorons: maelstrom0370: Do a lot of people have a lawyer on retainer that they can just call up whenever? Especially one that specializes in 2nd amendment cases?

I do, David Goldman.

Technically he is not on retainer, if I called him for something like this he would just send a bill, but he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

He will refer you to a colleague if you're not in Florida.


I just call Saul for all my gun related legal entanglements...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:47:58 PM

optikeye: feckingmorons: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.

It is a .22 cal rimfire rifle. It is a target shooting gun.

I know it looks scary and should be banned simply because.

I agree with that.....but I'm sure they're more to this story than the website lets on; like who called the authorities, And why? Are there past threats posted in the users page? Etc..etc. Again, the story is just surface story at this point.
With those, I generally find the deeper you dig..the more derp you find---As you do when you research media stories from the 'left'. No?


Oh, I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few days ... or not (like that judge in NY who insisted she saw the cops beating Occupy protesters but it was crickets after that)
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM

badhatharry: Google ruger .22


The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?
 
2013-03-19 08:48:02 PM

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracl


In New Jersey child protective services are required to investigate all complaints, and are prohibited from revealing the source of the complaint.  They always show identification.  They will tell you the nature of the complaint.  They usually want to speak with the child in a room in the house without the parents present.  If you refuse, a judge will force you to comply.

The fishy part here involves them allegedly wanting to see anything having to do with the gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:44 PM
FTA: "After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing.""

"Apparently, the DYFS representative wanted access to the house and gun safe so that she could make sure they were catalogued and "properly registered," though New Jersey does not require registration."


As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws. They are the scummiest state department ever created, and from the stories of other foster children I've heard, it doesn't very much from state to state.

If you ever find your family in their sights here's what to do:
Don't ever let them in.
Lawyer up immediately.
Don't believe a word they say.
Make as big of a stink with the media that you can.

The father in this story did everything right.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:48 PM

OgreMagi: skozlaw: Posted Tuesday:

http://www.ktul.com/story/21725256/family-says-nj-overreacted-to-boy s- gun-photo

"The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said."

The linked article here claims:

"Moore said on Monday night that the DYFS is still insisting on seeing his safe.
 He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."


So, basically, somebody called CPS, CPS showed up like they always do, they left when he said they couldn't be there and there no was no obvious reason for them to be there and Captain Cocksucker here went running off to some right-wing website to whine about nothing.

This is exactly why I can't take "pro-gun" people seriously anymore.

So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?  There was no crime.  There was no indication of abuse.  IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle.  Why should that cause government scrutiny?  There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.  That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK.  But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone.  Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:26 PM

baka-san: Ok, we have a story posted on a pro second amendment "site"
Any other sources?


Yeah, a guy named Shawn Moore and his lawyer. Did you not RTFA?

Maybe if these people hadn't been quoted in the article, you might have a point.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:42 PM

Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?


Coke cans are fast.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:52 PM
This country needs an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:28 PM

minoridiot: tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies


Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


MSN has it with a picture of the boy.


Check the article, MSN is just referancing the original forum post as their source. That is NOT journalism.
 
2013-03-19 08:50:41 PM
 
2013-03-19 08:50:44 PM

Deep Contact: This country needs an enema.


I need an enema.
 
2013-03-19 08:51:55 PM

sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.


I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:09 PM
of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG
 
2013-03-19 08:53:19 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


What's troubling abut him holding the gun? The kid is holding it safely and has undergone firearms training. There is nothing at all illegal about him holding, or even firing the gun, although he CAN'T possess alcohol at 11.


Wait, I know what it is... You're actually lying about not being anti-gun. It's the only explanation for your rabid anti-gun reaction to a child doing something completely safe and completely legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:34 PM
I don't believe that's the whole story.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:22 PM

skozlaw: OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all?

No, that's how CPS works and it has nothing to do with guns. What bothers me is that some idiot has decided to try and leverage a relatively minor incident into some sort of ZOMG GUBMIT GON' TAKE MAH GERNZ bullshiat.

I don't need more morons like this making me look like even more of an unhinged whacko just because I own some guns. I'm sick of these asswipes making me look bad with their crap.
 

OgreMagi: Why should that cause government scrutiny?

Because society has decided that it's more important to not risk harm to a child than to minorly inconvenience a few stupid hicks who spend too much time watching Glenn Beck. If you don't like it take it up with your congressman. Good luck getting traction with that.

OgreMagi: There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody.

That didn't happen here and is irrelevant to the discussion.


Ah.  So you're one of those mindless "Won't anyone think of the children!" people.  I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:25 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


We shouldn't have to defend our freedoms, but it seems we must.

I would sooner defend mine with a lawyer in a courtroom than with a gun.

/he had a blog long before he had the webpage, that is how I found him. Gun Trusts speed up the transfer of NFA weapons immeasurably.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:30 PM

FormlessOne: That's one of the dumber things greenlit this week.

"We're reporting a one-sided story that was reported on by The Blaze, which in turn pulled it off a friggin' forum post with one picture showing some cops and one picture showing a kid with a gun. CUE THE OUTRAGE!"

Seriously? That's all you got? We have no, I repeat, no actual information here - just a bizarre, one-sided story being trumpeted about as if this guy now embodies the Second Amendment.


Like welcome to Fark, asshat!
 
2013-03-19 08:54:47 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?
 
2013-03-19 08:54:56 PM
I grew up around guns. I became a pretty good shot with a .22 by the time I was 12, and my dad would always take me on hunting trips, nature hikes, fishing etc. Considering I'm suburban raised and current urban dweller (and thus not too great at the skill), I can identify more animals and plants than any environmental or animal rights activist I've ever spoken to.

Too bad fark wasn't around to tell me how awful I was for partaking in those activities.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:58 PM

BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.


No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.
 
2013-03-19 08:55:19 PM
This is some scary shiat, and I don't doubt most of it is true. Not because I'm a big fan of the second amendment, but because I've heard 485279657-49067-904670-67 stories about CPS abusing their authority to take kids away from perfectly acceptable parents, all because of an "anonymous call" or a custody dispute, or some crap.

Good on him for standing up for his rights. It's not easy, but it's the only right course of action.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:13 PM

Elmo Jones: badhatharry: Google ruger .22

The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


fark if I know. Maybe people think it's not as pretty with the magazine. Try "ruger 10/22 rifle with a banana clip".
 
2013-03-19 08:56:35 PM
willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
 
2013-03-19 08:56:44 PM
If you take his word for it.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:02 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.


so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"
 
2013-03-19 08:57:12 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

A kid his age can legally shoot a gun, but I doubt if he can hold his liquor.


Well you can't actually give an 11 year old liquor, but you can give them a gun.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:26 PM

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]



awesome tv show
www.sirenvisual.com.au

/pic hotter an expanded sun
//from when anime was cool!
///just skip the first episode, it is not representative
 
2013-03-19 08:58:22 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: he is my attorney for all gun related matters including my ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled shotguns, and destructive devices.

So you have to go to court a lot for firearms violations?

No, I've never had to go to Court for a firearms violation.

So you just dream about the day you have to go DEFEND FREEDOM and tell people you "have a lawyer" for these matters because you saw his ad on the Internet.

Impressive.


Wow, you really are uninformed.  He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.
It sounds to me like it's same reason some people who regularly buy houses and property have their own attorney.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.


The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:44 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: But it sure has brought out the pro-gun people on Fark.  Like ringing a farking dinner bell.  A GUN THREAD!!!  AS SOON AS I'M DONE FAPPING ABOUT IT, I"M POSTING IN THAT BABY!



Wow.  You have a really skewed view of most gun owners.  Like any hobby, some of the enthusiasts are kind of weird, but let's say you really enjoy doing nice things for nature.  Are we to think of you as an insane tree-spiker or a member of the Earth Liberation Front?

This is an issue of government agencies pushing to see how far they can intrude.  It should concern lefties as much as their traditional complaining points, like immigration roadblocks, intrusive drug testing when it isn't necessary, the Patriot Act, warrantless searches, or even Stonewall.

My family is by no means a bunch of gun-fapping extremists, but we do live on the doorstep of the great outdoors.  My kids have been safely handling guns since they were 8 (BBs and .22s--like the kid in the story), went through hunter's safety classes when they were 11, and are currently on their high school trap shooting team.  We own a few handguns but rarely use them at the target range.  I admit it's anecdotal, but around here we're not out of the ordinary.  If anything we're not that fervent, since we have only 5 long guns and two pistols.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:59 PM

Frank N Stein: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE


STOP TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO
 
2013-03-19 08:59:00 PM

feckingmorons: sbking: feckingmorons: FormlessOne: Again, as The Blaze points out, they never spoke with the guy in question:

Moore has not spoken with us, but as mentioned we talked with his attorney and he has answered a few of our questions via e-mail. Late Monday night he wrote to TheBlaze saying, "I have dyfs still insisting to see the inside of my safe."

So, as far as we know, we don't know crap - other than that an attorney was happy to comment on what he thinks is a sweet Second Amendment story.

Methinks it stinks, especially as no one else is covering it - most of the folks publicizing it track back to the friggin' forum post.

Seems like transparency, most other places give us opinion and political posturing. At least they're transparent in their reporting.

Sometimes it is too hard to be smart - just relax and let others explain what is going on between the lines.

I'm sorry do you have a point? Do you have a contribution of substance or are you like all the other Alinskyites simply going to launch personal attacks against those whom you disagree.

We understand your kind, we know what you do. You want to use Saul's rule 13, but we can read you like an open book.

It won't work. You have nothing to back up your argument. You fail at rhetoric.


"we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy who like to say "is you, or is you not, my constituency."

It is a very weak move - guess you got your feelings hurt a bit.

Relax - let other people be emotionally stable for you.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:12 PM
The Think of The Children! crowd has really gone off the deep end.
 
2013-03-19 09:00:34 PM

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?
 
2013-03-19 09:01:47 PM

skozlaw: BarkingUnicorn: But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

No, it's not. The police are allowed to lie to you. That's one reason why you never tell them anything but the required identifying details under any circumstances if you know what's good for you, unless your lawyer says otherwise, even if you think you're doing the right thing.

And, of course, let's not ignore the fact that you're just assuming this guy is telling the truth about the event and that some retarded right-wing website is reporting his comments accurately.

AND let's not ignore the fact that this guy may have given conflicting accounts of the event to different sources since I found a local news article above where he allegedly said that when he challenged them they just left and that was the end of it.

AND let's not ignore the fact that the claims your relying on come from second-hand commentary gleaned from a heavily biased discussion forum.

This entire story stinks of bullshiat top to bottom.


Social service caseworkers are not police.  Generally, they are licensed social workers, who have a code of conduct to maintain.  That's why I said, "professional misconduct" and not "criminal."

Otherwise, I'm not gonna argue with you.  The story's shaky just because of its source.
 
2013-03-19 09:01:57 PM

OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.


No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:35 PM

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Ya  know, I don't really buy into the tacticool 'thing' either, but the point is that there is a current attempt to ban the tricked out firearm on the bottom, but the top rifle is functionally the same firearm and it would still be legal.  It makes no sense.  The AWB is dumb is the basic point.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:58 PM
IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"
 
2013-03-19 09:03:23 PM

willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG


Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?
 
2013-03-19 09:03:44 PM

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


Because the factory magazine for the Ruger 10/22 fits fully inside the stock and isn't visible unless the bottom of the firearms is viewed.
 
2013-03-19 09:03:49 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Nope, I disagree with both. Wanna categorize me?
 
2013-03-19 09:04:20 PM
In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:38 PM

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


Lighten up, Pope.  Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today.  Only counted 40 votes for it.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:03 PM

noitsnot: Krymson Tyde: I just posted a picture of my daughter holding a book a out wookies. I wonder if the Trekkies will show up at my door.

Jeez - where to start with this one?


May the Force be with you.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:10 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


0/10 no sublety at all you had better watch out Cheeseboy, this is FARK

What a  miserable life you must have and a complete lack of conscience, casually using the death of innocents to troll.
 
2013-03-19 09:05:41 PM

remus: FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"

Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?

The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


Exactly. Some people don't have very good taste. You are free to mock them.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:26 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Lighten up, Pope. Harry Reid gave up on the assault weapons ban today. Only counted 40 votes for it.


That's not the point. I'm tired of this debate being defined from the pro-guns side by obnoxious people with no capacity for rational thought.

As evidenced by the fact that this crap article is what we get in the name of a pro gun argument.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:33 PM

pedrop357: Wow, you really are uninformed. He specifies why he has the attorney right in his comment.


He specifies he has never actually hired the attorney in his comment.

You dumbass.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:17 PM

jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.


And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.
 
2013-03-19 09:07:56 PM

FlashHarry: Ow! That was my feelings!: It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.

so the owner of the bottom one is just playing pretend army? what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. "Make it evil," he'd been told. "Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with."
 
2013-03-19 09:08:08 PM

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


Reid said it didn't even have 40 votes, which is kind of a "whoa" moment.   Couldn't even get 40.
 
2013-03-19 09:08:28 PM
Everyone in complete disbelief about this story, what's so unbelievable about it?
 
2013-03-19 09:09:28 PM
Some guy:
"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.
And then DFS demanded to look in my gun safe but I stood my ground!"

Conservatives:
"Sounds legit!"
 
2013-03-19 09:09:36 PM
I wonder how long until this is all over facebook?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:29 PM

sbking: "we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy


What about the guy who likes to say I, me, my a lot?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:40 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.

And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.


No no no, you just don't get it, do you?

There is a massive Koch-funded conservative NRA media conspiracy (led by Faux Snooz) trying to trick the ignorant gun-toting rednecks into defending the second amendement despite the fact that nobody is trying to take their guns away.

And this is getting in the way of our righteous campaign to pass more gun restrictions and bans.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:48 PM

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?


So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 09:11:59 PM

teeny: IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


But that's how media hysteria works. In a nation of 300 million plus people, an incident happens - and we are supposed to draw universal conclusions from it.
There's plenty good money to be made in confirming peoples paranoia.
 
2013-03-19 09:12:19 PM

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


You insult people a lot. People you don't even know.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:01 PM

brandent: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?


Those cheerfully colored guns are not designed to appeal to children- they are made as collectables as they have the dual purpose of both protection as well as being a trendy accessory.  I saw a number of these in a gun shop one day and I was a little taken aback by the cute trendy appearance of some of the weaponry.   I was told by a dealer, they have become popular amongst the single female 20-25 age group.  occasionally, they are purchased as gifts for collectors, spouses, or family members just getting out on their own.  Very few adults have actually asked about them as an entry level weapon for children as most responsible gun owners understand that a weapon is not a toy.  He did say a couple of obvious non-owners asked about the hello Kitty hand gun as a first timer and he said they were directed over to the single shot 22 rifles instead.

I question whether a dealer would target your 10  yr old without getting your input as the decision about who gets what is made by you.  If he was allowed to handle a weapon by a salesman, it would only because you gave your consent for him to do so.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:25 PM

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: of course it was a tacticool mock military weapon. Rein these douchebags in, gun owners, and stop the overtly antisocia, stupid and scary shiat or you're going to lose your guns and I won't shed a tear.

WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN SOMALIA

YOUR KID ISN'T IN THE ARMY DOUCHEBAG

Are you the guy they said could amend the Constitution by himself.

Do you actually thing guns are going to go away? Really? Really?

Why do you hate children who are target shooters?

Really? A kid with a .22 is antisocial and scary?

How do you ever leave the house?

So you're cool with this too, hunh? Exercisin' their rights are all. Not at all creepy. Not a bit.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]


Is the kid with the target rifle being used as a child soldier? I didn't notice that. Can you point that out for me in the news articles about this please.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:31 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


i feel the exact opposite way. i'm not a fan of guns at all(aside from being fascinated by their mechanics), but no law is being broken and the kid is certified. how the fark do they have the right to even make threats like that?
 
2013-03-19 09:14:24 PM

jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?
 
2013-03-19 09:16:12 PM

remus: Ever see somebody add aftermarket parts to their car?  (fog lights, special paint, stickers, chrome wheels, wing, etc.?)  What's the point?  It's the same car?The reason is, they want to.  And I'm cool with that.  Freedom.  How does it work?


And when I see "that guy" on the highway, I know there's a million to one chance he's a douchebag who is a danger to himself and others, and I avoid him like the plague.

Prejudices exist for a reason. Rice out your car and chances are you're a dangerously stupid driver who doesn't know what they're doing. show up with a military-style weapon in a non-military context, and that's twice as true.

It means that more than likely, you do not understand your weapon, you do not understand guns in general and you shouldn't have one until you get clued in.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:13 PM

Shadyman: "[Triple-licensed gun instructor] father takes pic of [licensed] 11-year old son with hunting rifle..."

I don't see what the problem is.


The problem is a public servant acted on their personal beliefs and biases and engaged a law-abiding citizen using "the law" in a threatening, malicious manner. The public servant likely committed malfeasance and misfeasnace and should be prosecuted, but most likely will just be fired after the ensuing lawsuit.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:44 PM
The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:09 PM

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


From what I read they plan to add many parts back later. Like a Zombie you know. You have to unload the whole mag on it.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:13 PM

jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?


I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.
 
2013-03-19 09:18:39 PM

Elmo Jones: The GIS showed both kinds. Most of the wooden ones were sans magazine.
Again, why?


They aren't shown without mags, the stock ten round mags fit flush to the stock so you can't see them. The ones with wood stocks tend to be the plain-jane, unmodified versions, which means they most often have the original mags.

FlashHarry: what's the farking point if it's "EXACTLY the same firearm?"


Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics. You might be able to make an argument that the aftermarket stocks make them (and other guns) more deadly by making them lighter and more comfortable, but that still depends on the shooter. Personally, I prefer the traditional wood stocks, so I shoot better with them compared to plastic.
 
2013-03-19 09:19:24 PM

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.


She probably crushed some pearls clutching them so much.
 
2013-03-19 09:19:30 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Oh, you're good.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:34 PM

StatelyGreekAutomaton: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Oh, you're good.


Perhaps a bit too good - i was trying to make a point but blurred the lines a bit much.

Then got tangled up with a old college buddy (now i don't think it was actually him).
 
2013-03-19 09:22:02 PM

geekbikerskum: The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.


You mean like this one....

gerarddirect.com
 
2013-03-19 09:22:48 PM

feckingmorons: sbking: "we" "we" "we"  you remind me of that guy

What about the guy who likes to say I, me, my a lot?


Oh.  I thought you were talking about these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIL75TnWtnw
 
2013-03-19 09:24:15 PM

jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?


They're coming fer our sons....
 
2013-03-19 09:24:45 PM

willfullyobscure: military-style weapon


But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.
 
2013-03-19 09:24:48 PM
So now, it's reached the point where, if I don't take this stupid debate "seriously" enough, the butthurt are going to take other people's words and gin up a fake quote to make it look like I said it? Are you f**king people twelve? Is that the only way you can convince yourselves you have "won" an argument?
 
2013-03-19 09:27:10 PM

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.


I think he, and others, want you to go away...

/i really hope this is J.G.
 
2013-03-19 09:27:15 PM

skozlaw: OgreMagi: I'll keep that in mind for future discussions.

No, you won't. You'll just want a fight based on nothing, same as here. A fight based on a story in a blog about some forum posts from a guy who appears to be given multiple recitations of a single event based on who he's talking to because gernz are involved.

I'm sick of this crap. As a gun owner, I don't need some slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation speaking on my behalf about he told dem der larmern to get off his perpity. I don't need slack-jawed folks like you running about trying to make arguments out of half-assed forum posts from some guy you don't know about an event that had no particular outcome.

I'm sick of being represented by morons on the national stage. I'd like to keep hold of my firearms. That's not going to happen if the people who speak on my behalf are morons like this guy and people like you who just arbitrarily run alongside of them for exactly no reason.


Out of curiosity, why the wild accusations?  Here is a guy who reported his story on Delaware Open Carry.  Then a writer for The Blaze contacts him to get more info.  The Blaze talks to the guy's lawyer but the police and family services both refuse to answer any questions.

You pull "slack-jawed idiot with a Glenn Beck fixation" totally out of your ass.  Then, your ass still being full, you start with some bizarre accent and actually have a problem with him refusing a warrantless search of his "perpity".  But I guess since you claim to have found this guy posting multiple versions of his story (love to see the citations for these, btw) you feel justified as making shiat up.
 
2013-03-19 09:27:25 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I'm thinking bullshiat:


He ended his post by saying, "People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did."

links to the inquisitor and blaze.


Not sure if its bullshiat or not but this is the same sentence I have a problem with, fark him and his inflated ego.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:21 PM
Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

www.nam.ac.uk
 
2013-03-19 09:28:32 PM

jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.


Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:59 PM
Doesn't Senator Feinstein also have a CCR?
Looks like she needs some refresher training in handling procedures IMHO.

gerarddirect.com
 
2013-03-19 09:29:23 PM

feckingmorons: The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.


Yeah but like, perception is reality, so like, a scary looking .22 is more dangerous than a .22 with a traditional stock. Maaaan.
 
2013-03-19 09:29:24 PM

willfullyobscure: military-style clothing


I bet you he had a military style breakfast too!

You seem fixated. Do you hate the military?
 
2013-03-19 09:30:23 PM

Allen262: geekbikerskum: The kid in the pic at least has proper trigger discipline which is more than I can say of many adults I see handling guns in photos.

You mean like this one....

[gerarddirect.com image 450x366]


That's the same finger she put in bullet holes, you insensitive monster.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:23 PM
Too bad this criminal still has guns. He shouldn't have broke the law.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:26 PM

jigger: jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.

Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.


"Oh well?"
That's a deep subject.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:30 PM

willfullyobscure: What about that picture says "sporting shooter" to you, pal?


The .22 caliber rifle.

/Whoops, dropped a paragraph last post.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:44 PM
Well when I was 10, I shot using a .22 for BSA.  We got a badge.  Had it been nowadays Im sure it would have been on Facebook.  Since there was no pic in the article, I can't tell what DFS was biatching about.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:05 PM

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x682]


those guys in the background---you are a moron.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:12 PM
Odd.
"Exactly the same" with a different magazine capacity.
I imagine the scope would allow greater accuracy from a greater distance.
The stand would allow a steadier shot, from a fixed position.
The flash suppressor would suppress flashes.
The magazine would allow for a higher capacity.

Other than that, they're exactly the same.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:30 PM
I honestly didn't even see the kid in the photo the first dozen or so times I looked.  Then I realized he was wearing camo and was just barely able to discern his location in the photo.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:41 PM
I'll be a gambler, baby
Lay down the bet
We get together, mama
You'll sweat
 
2013-03-19 09:32:43 PM
Hey, this is a great story! There's enough stupidity to go around for everybody!

But seriously. What type of gun are we talking? hunting? gang-banger? mass murderer? Was the gun loaded? Was it cocked? Was the kid pointing it at somebody? Was the father responsibly teaching gun safety and practicing it? Was the kid too dumb to live?

I'm a liberal and in favour of reasonable restrictions on the manufacture, sales, purchase, ownership and use of guns. But I like a bit of venison or moose, partrige, duck or goose. I don't object to salmon or trout or even coarse fishing of some species.

This is not an automatic decision. If a guy wants to take a picture of a kid with a gun, it makes a difference to me whether he is holding it to the head of a battered black man or white woman. It makes a difference whether the gun is legal, the purpose of the gun is legitimate, and the use of the gun rational and responsible.

I fired a gun once. It was my grandfather's XIXth century heirloom, as heavy as a dog and with a kick like a mule. Enough gun training for me. It taught me that you should stick heirlooms in museums or display cases with locks because sticking them into the hands of an untrained child is not a great idea, even with instructions.

On the other hand, some kids like to hunt, just as some men don't. Even some women like to hunt.

My Father has that gun now and he obeys the laws regarding safety and security. The gun is locked up, so is the ammo, and I expect the firing pins are removed if that is what the law says. Even guns that aren't designed specifically to hurt or kill people do so when abused.

Did the gun get abused? Was the kid abused? Or is it abusive to threaten the kid simply because of a photo.

There are a number of photos my family members took that could get you arrested and treated like a permanent threat to society--for example bathtub photos of little kids. Parents think this goo is cute and nostalgic. Predators seem to like it too. But one is not ipso facto a sexual predator and monster for taking such a photograph or having one in a drawer some where. One reason we have juries and judges is so that occasionally common sense will prevail over the forces of authority and law. It doesn't always work, sadly.
 
2013-03-19 09:32:46 PM
I was 10.

i.imgur.com

Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.
 
2013-03-19 09:33:06 PM

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style clothing

I bet you he had a military style breakfast too!

You seem fixated. Do you hate the military?


Your dinner might have come out of military-style devices. Food canning for invented for the Napoleonic Army, which makes any canned food evil and requires them to be outlawed?
 
2013-03-19 09:33:11 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Well when I was 10, I shot using a .22 for BSA.  We got a badge.  Had it been nowadays Im sure it would have been on Facebook.  Since there was no pic in the article, I can't tell what DFS was biatching about.


Why do you hate gay people you BSA joiner?
 
2013-03-19 09:34:29 PM
I actually, and unfortunately, know someone who works for DYFS. They really are like this. They really do think nothing of taking a kid from his home, without a court order and without exigent circumstances. And the cops are basically required to go along with them, even if what they're doing is totally illegal. I would not be shocked if every word of this story were true, including the bit where she refused to give her name. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that I knew the idiot.

/fascists
 
2013-03-19 09:34:32 PM

clowncar on fire: brandent: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms).  Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun.  There are all manner of pink guns for little girls.  My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages).  I told him he must wait until he is 12.  Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost.  The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.

I was a little taken aback by their sales effort on my kid.

So yes I have a couple guns but am not a gun nut.  I just wanted to see what was out there and it turns out there are entire lines of gun products for 10 year olds.  Who knew?

Those cheerfully colored guns are not designed to appeal to children- they are made as collectables as they have the dual purpose of both protection as well as being a trendy accessory.  I saw a number of these in a gun shop one day and I was a little taken aback by the cute trendy appearance of some of the weaponry.   I was told by a dealer, they have become popular amongst the single female 20-25 age group.  occasionally, they are purchased as gifts for collectors, spouses, or family members just getting out on their own.  Very few adults have actually asked about them as an en ...


I didn't say he was allowed to handle one.  Your statements about the "20 something" are either just plain due to inexperience on your part or you are a gun nut trying to lie.  They are specifically called "youth model" and "jr" and targeted to teenagers.  They are NOT collectibles.  In the case of the Remington 870 youth model it is actually a very practical and useful gun for a teenager to learn on.  But let's not kid ourselves here.  They are made for, branded, and marketed for youth under the age of 18.

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=GM413065 &a ID=510D2
referred to as "jr" at Gander Mountain.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=705625
Note the "youth 870 express" in the table

And here note an entire inventory of "youth" shotguns.

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/

You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.
 
2013-03-19 09:34:38 PM

feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]


The Republicans should push for legislation to rollback the regulations on those.
 
2013-03-19 09:35:23 PM
I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?
We have enough ugly people. If we take his kids now, and let them be raised by circus people, they might end up in a cage, biting the heads off chickens - where they belong.
The small hands and pervasive cabbage odor are a small price to pay.
 
2013-03-19 09:36:24 PM

sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


60% of the trouble we have with alcohol and youth in this country is because we don't have kids drink.  It's a hell of a lot easier to control eleven-year-olds than nineteen-year-olds.
 
2013-03-19 09:36:28 PM

feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.


Correct. My argument is about style. A Model 70 can pierce an armored car. A Tikka T3 is a better sniper platform than anything the military uses. A Marlin 60 holds fifteen rounds and can be reloaded in 3 seconds(with a tube). None of these guns look like an AR-15 because they are purpose built- they are not fashion accessories. Guns should not be fashion accessories. We give up nothing by losing these tactifool firearms except the gun nut fantasy world of FEMA camps and Rambo wannabes.

My argument is that people who buy firearms in order to pretend they are bad ass Navy Ranger specops BUDS paratroopeals are fools, and we should not suffer fools gladly, because we do not want to live in a society where the civilian apes military dress, military manners, and so on.

You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?
 
2013-03-19 09:36:35 PM

jaytkay: none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.


feckingmorons: And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.


Cuz if you tell a bullshiat story and "many other sites" correspond with you it has to true.

That's some excellent detective work there, Lou.

And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

How conveeeenient!!
 
2013-03-19 09:37:25 PM

badhatharry: feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]

The Republicans should push for legislation to rollback the regulations on those.


I like it just the way it is. I don't want the value of my gun to drop. Too bad for the suckers that didn't get them in 86.
 
2013-03-19 09:37:27 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Choirboys with machine guns.
The Pedophile Priest's worst nightmare.
Nobody would be molested if everybody
was required to carry bigger guns than the Clergy.

I love it when people post great pictures to threads.
And I love the smell of gunpowder tea in the morning.
 
2013-03-19 09:38:36 PM

A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.


20 years later

ospois.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-19 09:39:23 PM
NRA life memberships are $700 off during a promotion.

Three hundred bucks for a life membership in the NRA is sweet.
 
2013-03-19 09:39:33 PM

willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die.


It couldn't possibly be that the parent is trying to encourage his son to embrace the traditional virtues associated with being a soldier... after all, everyone of willfullyobscure's acquaintance knows that all soldiers are Nazis. And since every weapon by definition is "deadly", really any parent who allows their son or daughter to learn to shoot a gun is automatically an accomplice to murder, right? 

Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.


You seem to be cool with having the State kidnap children merely because their parents, who have committed no crime, are instilling in them the same values that made their country great... you are not "sane" at all: you are a dangerous left- wing lunatic.
 
2013-03-19 09:40:11 PM

brandent: http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.


I thought i was gay for a while because I loved my aunt's .410 so much when I was 11. Damn that was a great shooter. But my asshole cousins kept calling it "the ladies' shotgun, nyeeahhh"

Little did they know I beat off in their closet to their copies of Cosmo and Seventeen, those coonty biatches.
 
2013-03-19 09:40:58 PM

jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.


If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.
 
2013-03-19 09:41:26 PM

willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die. Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.


Funny thing.  I grew up in a military household.  My dad wasn't "dad", he was "sir".  I spend a lot of weekends at the range on base.  In the end, I joined the military and "do or die" became much more than a motto.  Are you suggesting this was wrong as well?  If so, things get really squirrelly.
 
2013-03-19 09:41:29 PM

jigger: jso2897: jigger: jso2897: 5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"

Are you saying they weren't coming for his guns?

I did not say that. Willfullyobscure said that, and I have no idea why you are quoting me as saying it. It's trivial, but that's really not very honest of you.

Woops. I guess I didn't pick up on the italics like I should have. O well.


Actually, I said that. According to the lawyer's statement, it was the child services agent demanding to see everything. The police were simply responding to the initial call, and there was no mention of them making any demands, ever.  The social services lady was the one making demands, and got pissed about having her "authority" bucked, and she made a bunch of shiatty threats (that never happened.)  She should be investigated and reprimanded at the very least. She is the villain in the story. But the father is acting like the orders were coming directly from law enforcement. Was he wronged? Yes. By law enforcement? No. But the gun nuts are going to lay all the blame on the police/fartbama.

I don't think people should be able to give tips anonymously.
 
2013-03-19 09:42:08 PM

fnordfocus: EvilEgg: The article says the police were there, but I find it less than credible that the government official did not tell the cops her name.

I assume the police knew who she was, but that none of them would tell the parents.

In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.


The legislature should slap them down *HARD*.  Say 6 months in jail for anybody in law enforcement that conceals their identity when it's supposed to be visible.

OgreMagi: So you aren't bothered that they showed up at all? There was no crime. There was no indication of abuse. IT was a picture of a kid holding a rifle. Why should that cause government scrutiny? There are far too many stories of CPS (Child Protective Service) grabbing kids for no reason and it taking years for the parents to regain custody. That nothing happened this time is a farking miracle.


Exactly.  Showing up, especially in force, is totally unjustified.

brandent: The article is complete b.s. but you should at least be aware that this is perfectly normal behavior in a vast portion of the US (by normal I mean within accepted norms). Remington makes a pink "youth" 20 gauge shotgun. There are all manner of pink guns for little girls. My son who is 10 is very upset with me because all his friends have guns already and get to go hunting (check the laws, many states don't even have legal minimum ages). I told him he must wait until he is 12. Just this weekend I was in Cabelas and we decided to just go see what a .22 would cost. The counter clerk tried to sell my 10 year old a .22 handgun that was small enough to fit in your front pants pocket.


Yeah, that's utterly out of line.  I'd tell management.

I have no problem with properly trained kids having firearms.  I have a big problem with trying to bypass the parents who know the kid.
 
2013-03-19 09:42:17 PM
It's hard to tell the French choirboys from the Palestinian terrorists when they wear both wear berets and carry machine guns. Stop giving terrorist machine gun squads berets! Stop giving French choir boys machine guns to play with!

And have you ever noticed that the only way to tell Israel soldiers from Palestianian boys is their choice of weapon, namely machine guns versus rocks? (Rocks is the wrong choice, apparently, to bring to a machine-gun fight.)

Can't tell the players without a programme. Get your pograms here! Oops. Get your programmes, here!
 
2013-03-19 09:42:37 PM

willfullyobscure: brandent: http://www.hyattgunstore.com/youth-shotguns/You are living on another planet if you do not believe 10 year olds shoot weapons by the hundreds of thousands in this country.

I thought i was gay for a while because I loved my aunt's .410 so much when I was 11. Damn that was a great shooter. But my asshole cousins kept calling it "the ladies' shotgun, nyeeahhh"

Little did they know I beat off in their closet to their copies of Cosmo and Seventeen, those coonty biatches.


The posting rules state that Fark is not anyone's personal erotica site. Perhaps you should read them, and wash your hands.
 
2013-03-19 09:44:58 PM

jigger: 20 years later

[creepyfatguntoyguitarguy.jpeg]


Nice.
 
2013-03-19 09:47:14 PM
Any post starting with the word "so" probably isn't worth response.

"So you think..."
"So it doesn't..."
"So they shouldn't have to..."

and etc. An experienced observation from a guy that's been discussing things with people on the Internet since the Usenet days. Do with it what you will.
 
2013-03-19 09:47:15 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.


Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:01 PM

jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?


Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:45 PM
While plausible I do have my doubts about any story where the sources are Inquisitr and The Blaze
 
2013-03-19 09:49:40 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.


You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:10 PM
I'm sure this 100% legit and not skewed or misleading or complete bullshiat in any way.
 
m00
2013-03-19 09:50:20 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.

Oh wait... that was good. Almost got me. 4/10.
 
2013-03-19 09:52:28 PM

A Shambling Mound: Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.


With the weapon in that state what possible danger could there have been from having your finger on the trigger? Or have you been talking to this woman about the danger of "unloaded guns":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-03-19 09:52:32 PM

rohar: willfullyobscure: Dressing your child up like a soldier, complete with deadly weapon, is a sign of mental illness or that you expect him to do or die. Either way, I'd say a little chat with a sane adult is in order.

Funny thing.  I grew up in a military household.  My dad wasn't "dad", he was "sir".  I spend a lot of weekends at the range on base.  In the end, I joined the military and "do or die" became much more than a motto.  Are you suggesting this was wrong as well?  If so, things get really squirrelly.


We're gonna get squirrelly?!!??  That sounds kinda fun!

www.generalsemantics.org
 
2013-03-19 09:52:38 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.


Maybe he planed it...
 
2013-03-19 09:53:14 PM

jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.


His wife called him. Dude was not at home. He called his lawyer on the way home and put him on speaker phone.

Now people want to claim derp "source is a forum" derp.....but do you think MSNBC would give him the time of day? Especially since they are trying to help push the gun control agenda.

If FOX gave him an interview you woiuld porbably claim derrr hurrr source im not clicking the link......
 
2013-03-19 09:53:34 PM

feckingmorons: Well this has petered out. Lets post gun pictures. I own a Thompson 1928a1 fully automatic machine gun.

[www.nam.ac.uk image 480x361]


I have fired a 21/28 overstamp. Nice piece...Come to think of it, my son who was 16 at the time fired it too. #automaticfun!
 
2013-03-19 09:54:50 PM

Pangit: Hmmm I was shooting my dad's 44 magnum at 7 or 8 years old. Glad Facebook didnt exist back then.

Really though, in this day in age with all the psychotics running around at schools, why would you even post this? DYFS was wrong for sure, but the dad wasnt the brightest here either.


Dumb idea Dad!
Not that you were teaching your kid gun safety ,thats a good idea,but dumb to let a 7 year old shoot a .44 mag or any large caliber firearm.It teaches a child to flinch and can be hard to unteach.
 
2013-03-19 09:55:21 PM
Story sounds fake.  Or the "reporter" just sucks.   If it was real there should be at there very least a quote from somebody at DYFS giving their side of the story or at least saying no comment.  As it is now there is not enough specifics to pass the urban legend test.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:06 PM

feckingmorons: But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole).


OMG, Here comes the war . . .

/it's damn good no matter wtf you call it.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Any post starting with the word "so" probably isn't worth response.

"So you think..."
"So it doesn't..."
"So they shouldn't have to..."

and etc. An experienced observation from a guy that's been discussing things with people on the Internet since the Usenet days. Do with it what you will.


So, you're saying you don't like strawman arguments?
You know what I hate?
Rhetorical questions.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:45 PM

GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:49 PM
The tears of the fun control (sic) advocates are delicious.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:59 PM

Rivetman1.0: Doesn't Senator Feinstein also have a CCR?
Looks like she needs some refresher training in handling procedures IMHO.

[gerarddirect.com image 450x366]


LOL. The scary drum magazine.  Hell, you want to do something about magazines?  Make drums the only thing available.  You're a helluva lot less likely to get 30 rounds out of a drum before it jams than you are a standard capacity 30 round mag.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:06 PM

jaytkay: Who I just happened to have on speed dial.


One of the staff at ar15.com is a very very liberal and very very famous NY attorney.

Alot of members at ar15.com have him on speed dial.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:32 PM
The Blaze and some shaitty blog?  Seems legit...
 
2013-03-19 09:57:42 PM

m00: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

When I was a kid, I went to a "sleep away" camp for a month every summer. It was camping/outdoor oriented. Shot .22 bolt action rifles at the range, which was one of the electives you could take. These don't even have a magazine -- you load a bullet, fire the rifle, pop out the casing, put another bullet in the chamber, close the bolt. Learn all about gun safety and proper use of a firearm. The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.



Man, that just made me flash back to every summer camp I ever went to.  Bolt-action 22 rifle range.

GUTSU: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.

You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.


As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny.  It was all covered at the meetings.
 
2013-03-19 09:58:05 PM
The correct answer to the question is "shoot them for extortion, trespassing" Bob.
 
2013-03-19 09:58:22 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


This. I couldn't have put it any better.

sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.


It's called teaching responsibility and it's done by boy scout troops all over the country.

The child wasn't running around playing cops and robbers with it. If you read the article you would see that the parent is pretty adamant about being responsible.

Glancing Blow: In New Jersey child protective services are required to investigate all complaints


In Minnesota CPS gets to pick and choose what cases they want to bother with. My son got put in the hospital / emergency room 5 times in two years through his mothers neglect, with a formal report filed by a forensic psychologist of a pattern of abuse and neglect and they still didn't bother to open a case. 

Ego edo infantia cattus: As a survivor of ten years in foster care, I can tell you from first hand experience that everyone in the family services system will lie their ass off to get what they want. This includes bearing false witness, misrepresenting wards of the state in court, and even threatening both children and parents with made up laws.


I've seen this first hand with my experience with the court system. My last court date the GAL was caught blatantly lying in the court about things. I've caught her in a fair number of lies but rarely had the chance to expose her. I actually experienced my son's GAL calling up a police detective and derailing an abuse investigation. Luckily for me I had evidence and she had nothing but lies.

I've learned that GAL's have no interest in protecting kids and are there only for their own ego. At no point will family services act in the interest of the child. You have to go around them and simply consider them the second opposing attorney.
 
2013-03-19 09:59:45 PM
Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

www.healthtrainingguide.com
 
2013-03-19 09:59:59 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:17 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: A Shambling Mound: Looking back at this image it strikes me as funny that my dad very carefully taught me to release the mag and clear the weapon before handling it further but didn't say anything about keeping my finger off the goddamn trigger while he was taking pictures. I'm going to give him some grief about that, I think.

With the weapon in that state what possible danger could there have been from having your finger on the trigger? Or have you been talking to this woman about the danger of "unloaded guns":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=player_embedded


It's just poor discipline, that's all. The only way I could have hurt myself with that Luger was if I had dropped it on my foot.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:39 PM

sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


Not in my house!  Single malt all the way.  Bourbon is for Blues musicians.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:55 PM

Giltric: do you think MSNBC would give him the time of day? Especially since they are trying to help push the gun control agenda.


MSNBC posted a reprint of a local outlet's wire story of a guy's blog post.

You're seeing the same story posted over and over. And you think it's "reported everywhere".
 
2013-03-19 10:01:00 PM

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


true but I would hazard a guess that vast majority of Americans don't have a 'family' attorney they have on speed dial.
I know for me if a similar situation happens I my have to ask the cops to wait a while I  frantically thumb  through the yellow pages.
 
2013-03-19 10:01:00 PM

prjindigo: The correct answer to the question is "shoot them for extortion, trespassing" in the butt, Bob".

 
2013-03-19 10:01:35 PM

willfullyobscure: Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

[www.healthtrainingguide.com image 850x565]


Cry about it more
 
2013-03-19 10:01:51 PM

OgreMagi: sbking: How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Not in my house!  Single malt all the way.  Bourbon is for Blues musicians.


I thought that was weed.  Oh, that's for Jazz musicians.  Nevermind...
 
2013-03-19 10:02:14 PM

sbking: ArcadianRefugee: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Respect for weapons, and learning how to handle them properly, should be ingrained into a person well before they are of legal age to own one.

What you are suggesting is essentially the anti-gun version of "abstinence only education". And it does not work.

/liberal

Then maybe we should introduce them to cocaine and meth too so that we dimystify that as well.  Doesn't make sense?  Of course not, people do not need drugs or guns - it is not a reality like sex is.  Your, and other's on her, ignorance is what makes mass killings possible - we have the most violent country in the world and we pretend like we are civilized.


My kids can tell you the difference between a Cab, Merlot, Pino or Malbec. They've tasted all of them and alcohol is not a super mystery to them. None of them will be dying of alcohol poisoning on their 21st birthday because it's not a mystery.


They can also tell you how to safely handle a gun. They've fired .22s to .308s, know how to handle them safely and do.


You on the other hand; shouldn't breed. If you have already, perhaps you can turn them in to CPS because society would be better off with someone else raising them.  Then you can go back to your meth and cocaine.
 
2013-03-19 10:02:15 PM

noitsnot: As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny. It was all covered at the meetings.


You go to the meetings too? I hope you'd also agree that the amounts of our monthly White Privilege Checks are not keeping pace with inflation.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:00 PM
When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him

Wait, an official refusing to identify themselves as an official?  That's well past "don't have a warrant?  Please leave" and into "you're an unidentified stranger on my property making threats, by castle doctrine I can legally shoot you so you might want to consider running now."

willfullyobscure: You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?


Um, every single historical culture in the world including ostensibly peace-loving ones like Roman-era Christians and Buddhists?  Not being part of an equipped local militia as a kid was practically unheard of in European-rooted cultures until the mid 1800s or so (later for some places), for instance, a remnant of feudalism and the subsequent revolutions.  It only died off due to the massive increase in population and thus manpower making a set of massive standing armies more economically advantageous.

Also, for a more recent example, the boy scouts and explorer corps do all of those things, and any given school club does most of them.  Marching band, for instance, is only short the rifles themselves and then only sometimes.

//Assuming you were a kid in the late 80s/early 90s where there was a big push to intentionally subvert this.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.

true but I would hazard a guess that vast majority of Americans don't have a 'family' attorney they have on speed dial.
I know for me if a similar situation happens I my have to ask the cops to wait a while I  frantically thumb  through the yellow pages.



Chance favors the prepared mind.
 
2013-03-19 10:03:24 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


You need to check your white privilege mister! Every time you looks at a person of colour you're enslaving them with your imperialistic white eyes. Everytime you look at a woman you are committing sexual assault, you should feel ashamed!
 
2013-03-19 10:03:49 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics.


i have no problem with cosmetics. accessorize away! i mean, if a guy wants to play army and pretend that he's a badass, i'm fine with it. i personally think it's kind of juvenile. but i agree; banning guns based on pure cosmetics is silly and wrong.

but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever). you can create a magazine that looks like a 30-round version so you can still play army.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:16 PM

NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.


That technically makes him more qualified than the cop to carry a firearm within city limits.

I think the real funny is that most cops are ONLY allowed to carry their issued pistol with the issued low velocity ammunition.
Its the biggest untold joke of law enforcement.  You can do more damage with a BRICK.
When you hear about these firefights where the cops shoot a hundred rounds and the only person who hit the perp WAS the perp its mostly because firing underpowered rounds makes the guns behave poorly.  Try cheap ammo in an HK MP series weapon, it'll spray shiat all over the place.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:35 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I don't care about this guy having guns - they decrease his chances of survival, and Darwin likes that. But should we really be encouraging fat, soft, ugly, inferior, inbred sub-European stock like this to reproduce?

Please define "sub-European" and how it differs from "sub-African".

Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST, so let's go back to conjuring up the spectre of imaginary retarded hillbillies in the US playing banjos instead. F*cking white liberal hypocrites.


U mad, Bro?
 
2013-03-19 10:04:51 PM
I think Fark just pooped its pants a little.
 
2013-03-19 10:05:09 PM

A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image ....


Thanks for posting that. Now we all can go to jail. 8)
 
2013-03-19 10:06:07 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Dimensio: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I had a .22 whwn I was 12. It didn't look like that, but it had a 15 shot tube feed.

For what reason would you need such a feeding device, when the only possible use for it is killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible?

That thing destroyed so many old Folgers cans and coke cans.  It was horrific.  No one was spared, not even Mr. Pibb.


And then you shot Dr. Pepper when he was trying to save Mr. Pibb didn't you.
 
2013-03-19 10:06:29 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: As a white male, I know that I am responsible for all racism and misogyny. It was all covered at the meetings.

You go to the meetings too? I hope you'd also agree that the amounts of our monthly White Privilege Checks are not keeping pace with inflation.


I hereby declare all of humanity victims of everything. We all get a cookie.
We'll get over it.
 
2013-03-19 10:06:32 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]


I don't think you know what the word 'EXACTLY' means LOL
 
2013-03-19 10:06:48 PM
Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.
 
2013-03-19 10:07:27 PM

m00: The idea that someone would commit a "mass shooting" with a .22 rifle is beyond ignorant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Seegrist
 
2013-03-19 10:07:47 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: GUTSU: You can't be racist against white people. Scientifically proven fact.

The sad thing is that the heavily indoctrinated and/or brainwashed actually believe this.


In Japan you sure can...
 
2013-03-19 10:07:49 PM

wambu: A Shambling Mound: I was 10.

[i.imgur.com image 528x424]

Looking back at this image ....

Thanks for posting that. Now we all can go to jail. 8)


Well, I'm only bailing myself out. No hard feelings, k?
 
2013-03-19 10:08:01 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.


Or a phone that can store phone numbers. I hear they make those these days.

You want so badly for this not to be true you could burst.

Pop!
 
2013-03-19 10:08:02 PM

sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???


My 9 year old owns a gun. And I'm a certified foster parent. So from the very bottom of my heart, Fark you.
 
2013-03-19 10:08:37 PM
Thank you, Dugitman, for the month of free Fark! I will try to do something useful with it - and right now, I am Land-poor an shiat broke for about a year, so it's a luxury I couldn't have justified for myself.
Just don't tell me what I did to "earn" it - there's always a danger I might do it again.
 
2013-03-19 10:10:17 PM

prjindigo: NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.

That technically makes him more qualified than the cop to carry a firearm within city limits.

I think the real funny is that most cops are ONLY allowed to carry their issued pistol with the issued low velocity ammunition.
Its the biggest untold joke of law enforcement.  You can do more damage with a BRICK.
When you hear about these firefights where the cops shoot a hundred rounds and the only person who hit the perp WAS the perp its mostly because firing underpowered rounds makes the guns behave poorly.  Try cheap ammo in an HK MP series weapon, it'll spray shiat all over the place.


The San Jose PD kill somebody about every month (and I'm not really complaining)
 
2013-03-19 10:10:38 PM

willfullyobscure: Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

[www.healthtrainingguide.com image 850x565]


Well, who's the young man in the photo? If it's a black adolescent in the States out shooting with his father, who cares? If (as is more likely, since you've bothered to post it) it's a black adolescent in the Congo or Sierra Leone or elsewhere in Africa who's been conscripted into taking part in his country's war then -- guess what pal -- the context is completely different. The only reason you can't see any distinction is because you've been indoctrinated to believe that guns, despite being inanimate objects in themselves, are inherently destructive or evil regardless of how they are used; in other words, you've fallen prey to the mindless emotional hysteria that has governed the gun- control movement since forever (and which has only recently been further exacerbated by Sandy Hook).
 
2013-03-19 10:11:02 PM
I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:16 PM

noitsnot: The San Jose PD kill somebody about every month (and I'm not really complaining)


Let's face it - there's too damn many people as it is.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:43 PM

SuperNinjaToad: true but I would hazard a guess that vast majority of Americans don't have a 'family' attorney they have on speed dial.I know for me if a similar situation happens I my have to ask the cops to wait a while I  frantically thumb  through the yellow pages.


That will work. If they ask to come in just say no thank you. If they force their way in we have the Courts for redress. If you have a lawyer already call him, if you don't you can call tomorrow. If some government agent is determined to violate the law there is little you can do (or should do) to stop them. Redress after the fact is quite proper.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:47 PM

cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right


Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.
 
2013-03-19 10:13:14 PM

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


You mean the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" back in the Seventies, because they were the weapon of choice of you-know-who? THAT NRA?
 
2013-03-19 10:13:35 PM

feckingmorons: NRA life memberships are $700 off during a promotion.

Three hundred bucks for a life membership in the NRA is sweet.


ok seriously.. I kinda like guns and love shooting and I obviously have no issue with the 2nd amendment nor people owning firearms.. eventhough I don not care too much for NRA's politics nor some of the derp LaPierre spews being a member holds me no grudge...so what can someone like me benefit from an NRA membership if any?

/serious
 
2013-03-19 10:13:50 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: fully automatic assault homosexual.


cdn1.screenrant.com
 
2013-03-19 10:14:29 PM

real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.


Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.
 
2013-03-19 10:15:22 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.


Fortunately, as far as I know, Peter North doesn't do gay porn. Then we'd have to put up with half a dozen "it shoots through schools" jokes.
 
2013-03-19 10:15:46 PM

jso2897: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

You mean the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" back in the Seventies, because they were the weapon of choice of you-know-who? THAT NRA?


Obama and his time machine. Again.
 
2013-03-19 10:15:55 PM

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


The Youth Shooting Sports Alliance (YSSA) has introduced a new Donated Firearms Program to help support youth shooting programs. If you donate a "previously-owned" firearm, the YSSA will auction the gun on Gunbroker.com. After the gun is sold, the Youth Shooting Sports Alliance, a 501(c)(3) charitable foundation, will provide the donor with a receipt showing the sale value. You can then claim this amount as a charitable deduction on your income taxes. 
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/03/help-young-shooters-with -t ax-deductible-gun-donations/
 
2013-03-19 10:16:23 PM
New Jersey, how far you have fallen.  This picture was taken at my Grandfather's house in Robbinsville, NJ, back in 1967:

img144.imageshack.us

I still don't care for that "Roman nose" style stock, though.
 
2013-03-19 10:16:48 PM

feckingmorons: real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.

Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.


Yup.
 
2013-03-19 10:17:24 PM

dittybopper: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My 9 year old owns a gun. And I'm a certified foster parent. So from the very bottom of my heart, Fark you.


I'm too lazy to scroll up and find the original post to reply to, so I'm adding on to yours:

Anyone of any age can purchase and own a gun in the US, what's controlled is ammunition: minors cannot legally purchase, or in most states possess, shotgun or rifle ammo below the age of 18 or pistol ammo below 21 without the supervision of an adult.  Most states also restrict the _use_ of said gun or transport of the gun on their person (especially loaded) unsupervised, but actually most don't ban ownership as such.

I'm not sure why people that have surely looked into basic gun control laws since they clearly feel they're informed enough to have an opinion on the subject would not know that.  Maybe they had an fear-stroke when they heard someone pop their gum and are now dealing with the subsequent brain damage or something.
 
2013-03-19 10:17:58 PM

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.
 
2013-03-19 10:18:57 PM

jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]


Three instances of different people in different parts of the world holding a tool for different purposes and trying to justify them all being the same thing. You're trying too hard.
 
2013-03-19 10:21:07 PM

EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.


So does this...
www.airsoft-gun-info.com

And this...
www.fairchildgiftcompany.com

Even this...
www.airsoftmagic.com

They has full auto capabilities, can fire 100+ rounds, some have clips... are they assault weapons?

/hint: they're -all- BB guns.
 
2013-03-19 10:22:01 PM

super_grass: feckingmorons: jaytkay: BarkingUnicorn: Had they simply showed up to see if there was a kid playing with firearms, OK. But demanding access to a safe with a lie about checking registration that isn't required is into professional misconduct territory.

The miracle was the lawyer on speakerphone. Otherwise, that kid would be in foster care.

The story sounds perfect to impressionable gun nutters.

It's a conservative's wet dream about the ebil gubmint and Obama taking my gunz!!
  And none of it is corroborated. The only source is his crappy blog.

And his lawyer, and the pictures of the police, and many other sites who have spoken to the lawyer and corresponded with the man.

Yet you're seething.

No no no, you just don't get it, do you?

There is a massive Koch-funded conservative NRA media conspiracy (led by Faux Snooz) trying to trick the ignorant gun-toting rednecks into defending the second amendement despite the fact that nobody is trying to take their guns away.

And this is getting in the way of our righteous campaign to pass more gun restrictions and bans.


Heheh you said "massive Koch"
 
2013-03-19 10:22:20 PM

feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.

Or a phone that can store phone numbers. I hear they make those these days.

You want so badly for this not to be true you could burst.

Pop!


Right.

Guy with self-proclaimed Internet "gun-law expert" lawyer on speed dial "just happens" to innocently provoke an unconscionable gun search from DFS (or so he claims).

Totally plausible.
 
2013-03-19 10:22:51 PM

willfullyobscure: Next gun thread I'm handicapping to 5 posts max. just to recap, we're good, right? hit all the notes, covered all the bases? White boy in fatigues with a miltary-style rifle, he's a fine young lad, Dad isn't a freak or a prepper at all, go it.  And we're all good with this fine young man, clearly also a target shooter out to plink, I assume?

[www.healthtrainingguide.com image 850x565]


You keep trying to mince shiat.

The boy in the article is again, a boy with a hobby. he is not going to be forced to fight before the year is up.

the boy in the photo you just pointed is most likely a child soldier, he will most likely have to fight and die.

Yes, im going by the information I get from the picture, yes its stereotyping, its also based on farking reality. Like it or not, we form stereotypes based on what we know and have been shown. Stereotypes do not arise out of the mist and out of hate. I don't hate or dislike the boy in that picture, I feel sad for him. I really do wish he was getting the equal treatment the boy in the article is, but I am willing to bet he is not.
 
2013-03-19 10:23:13 PM

dittybopper: New Jersey, how far you have fallen.  This picture was taken at my Grandfather's house in Robbinsville, NJ, back in 1967:

[img144.imageshack.us image 320x240]


I have a picture (sadly not at hand, or I'd post it) of my father holding me as a baby, while he was wearing his British Army uniform and a semi- automatic rifle slung over his shoulder; doubtless in our more enlightened contemporary world he would have been properly identified as a child abuser, and I would have been saved from his subliminal violence by being placed in the relative bliss of foster care. What a shame that the socialist utopia will arrive too late to undo the psychic damage he caused.
 
2013-03-19 10:23:46 PM

feckingmorons: real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.

Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.


Trouble is these farks don't take NO for an answer.  They had COPS with them.  The COPS should have told them to pull their heads out of their asses instead of standing there with their thumbs up theirs.
 
2013-03-19 10:23:54 PM

SuperNinjaToad: feckingmorons: NRA life memberships are $700 off during a promotion.

Three hundred bucks for a life membership in the NRA is sweet.

ok seriously.. I kinda like guns and love shooting and I obviously have no issue with the 2nd amendment nor people owning firearms.. eventhough I don not care too much for NRA's politics nor some of the derp LaPierre spews being a member holds me no grudge...so what can someone like me benefit from an NRA membership if any?

/serious


Good magazines (I get American Rifleman - others are American Hunter or America's First Freedom). 10K worth of gun insurance, discounts at places (you get them with AAA too - motels, car rental that sort of thing) admission to NRA events for free, voting rights for the NRA board, and they lobby our elected representatives to preserve our Second Amendment rights. They don't try to do 12 different things like some organizations, they are a one issue organization that stays on mission and is very effective.

If you don't like their politics you probably wouldn't want to join, but if you like guns and hunting and do join the American Hunter magazine is probably for you, you can switch magazines if you like (ha! an unintended gun joke).
 
2013-03-19 10:23:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

My 9 year old owns a gun. And I'm a certified foster parent. So from the very bottom of my heart, Fark you.

I'm too lazy to scroll up and find the original post to reply to, so I'm adding on to yours:

Anyone of any age can purchase and own a gun in the US, what's controlled is ammunition: minors cannot legally purchase, or in most states possess, shotgun or rifle ammo below the age of 18 or pistol ammo below 21 without the supervision of an adult.  Most states also restrict the _use_ of said gun or transport of the gun on their person (especially loaded) unsupervised, but actually most don't ban ownership as such.

I'm not sure why people that have surely looked into basic gun control laws since they clearly feel they're informed enough to have an opinion on the subject would not know that.  Maybe they had an fear-stroke when they heard someone pop their gum and are now dealing with the subsequent brain damage or something.


What's the point of adults having guns if children can't? In many cases, adults have already reproduced - and at that point, it's too late.
 
2013-03-19 10:25:11 PM

teeny: IF this story has any truth to it (and that's a pretty big 'if') then it sounds more like the biggest fault is with the nosy, asshole douche that made the initial phone call. We have no way of knowing what information the police and child services were told. It's not like they saw the picture and immediately dispatched.

Dealing with child services can be a real biatch. In my experience, they're incompetent nozzles with a bloated sense of their own power. My guess (based on nothing but this one-sided article) is:

1.douchy asshole person calls police and makes bullshiat claim about child endangerment with a firearm
2. police are dispatched as well as child services.
3. child service agent gets demandy and rude, which escalates when her authority is questioned and they (rightly) refuse to comply.
4. after a bit of a standoff, father/lawyer win the day and agent goes home.
5. father hits the internet with "THEY CUMIN FER OUR GUUUUNS!!!"


I agree with your assessment, but...they really were coming for his guns. Knowing the CPS nuts and today's "take first, leave gun owner to fight for own property back later" attitude, I guarantee no matter how well-built the safe was, how well-stored the keys were, and no matter if everysinglegun has three locks on it that insure you'll be shot by a burglar before you get them all off and gun loaded, it STILL wouldn't be enough for those people BECUZ CHULDRIN.
 
2013-03-19 10:25:43 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.


Let me know when you know anything even remotely close to the subject you're talking about
 
2013-03-19 10:26:04 PM

Jim_Callahan: Anyone of any age can purchase and own a gun in the US


That is incorrect.
 
2013-03-19 10:26:51 PM

jaytkay: Guy with self-proclaimed Internet "gun-law expert" lawyer on speed dial "just happens" to innocently provoke an unconscionable gun search from DFS (or so he claims).

Totally plausible.


tinfoilhat.jpg
 
2013-03-19 10:29:17 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: cman: OMG A GUN!
OMG A GAY!

Only two different letters and yet they cause most of the fear on the left and the right

Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.


Well Floyd Corkins tried to shoot up the Family Research Council while that was not a school he was technically an armed assault homosexual.

What fully automatic weapons were used in school shootings? I don't ever recall a fully automatic weapon being used.
 
2013-03-19 10:29:59 PM

feckingmorons: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.


EIP.

As an NRA member registered in the 5th grade and safety course at that time., do I have to do it over?
 
2013-03-19 10:30:06 PM

Frank N Stein: Quantum Apostrophe: Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.

Let me know when you know anything even remotely close to the subject you're talking about


Well, I haven't sucked a cock in a while, that's true.
/It was my own
//Haven't been able to do that since high school
 
2013-03-19 10:31:03 PM

Tom_Slick: I posted pictures and video of my 10 year old nephew skeet shooting and at the rifle range, nobody said a thing.

/He does live in Rural Alabama


Dude, gross.
 
2013-03-19 10:31:22 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: feckingmorons: jaytkay: And the guy just happened to be on speaker phone with his self-described gun law "expert" lawyer when he arrived home that day.

If you read the article he called his lawyer when his wife said the child protective service and cops where there, and he went immediately home.

I guess you didn't read the article.

Yeah, when if my wife said DFS was at the door, I would totally call the lawyer who has Youtube videos and radio interviews about guns all over Google.

Who I just happened to have on speed dial.

It's almost as if the guy sensed he was about to manufacture an Internet gun outrage from some non-incident.

Eeerie. Some people just have a sixth sense, I guess.

Or a phone that can store phone numbers. I hear they make those these days.

You want so badly for this not to be true you could burst.

Pop!

Right.

Guy with self-proclaimed Internet "gun-law expert" lawyer on speed dial "just happens" to innocently provoke an unconscionable gun search from DFS (or so he claims).

Totally plausible.


Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.
 
2013-03-19 10:32:26 PM

djkutch: feckingmorons: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.

EIP.

As an NRA member registered in the 5th grade and safety course at that time., do I have to do it over?


Well the FFL will have to see your certificate. If you can't afford a gun and want one a gun will be appointed to you....EIP.
 
2013-03-19 10:34:27 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Frank N Stein: Quantum Apostrophe: Let me know when someone shoots up a school with a fully automatic assault homosexual.

Let me know when you know anything even remotely close to the subject you're talking about

Well, I haven't sucked a cock in a while, that's true.
/It was my own
//Haven't been able to do that since high school


You should probably go lie down for a while with a cool compress on your forehead, you seem to be in some state.
 
2013-03-19 10:35:04 PM
www.knewance.com
 
2013-03-19 10:37:34 PM

mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]


You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.
 
2013-03-19 10:38:52 PM

feckingmorons: What fully automatic weapons were used in school shootings? I don't ever recall a fully automatic weapon being used.


Some people call semi-autos "automatic". They may even use the terms clip and magazine interchangeably.

So Sarah Palin is President.

And murdering a classroom of first graders is totally cool.

FREEDOM!!
 
2013-03-19 10:40:01 PM

mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-19 10:40:26 PM

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


You sure about that?
 
2013-03-19 10:40:36 PM

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29
 
2013-03-19 10:41:14 PM

feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.


Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense
 
2013-03-19 10:42:35 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29


Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics. 

Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.
 
2013-03-19 10:43:02 PM

mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]


Another magazine

ttag.zippykidcdn.com
 
2013-03-19 10:43:26 PM
jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters
 
2013-03-19 10:44:20 PM

jaytkay: feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.

Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense


Dude - nobody actually thinks that Cletus' little blog tale actually went down the way he said it did, and nobody cares. It's a good story, and this is Fark.com - where it's all about the narrative.
Anyway, you can prove practically anything with facts - facts are a crutch for weak minded people.
Pussy.
 
2013-03-19 10:44:45 PM

People_are_Idiots: EvilEgg: Ow! That was my feelings!: sbking: I am not antigun and i believe in the 2nd amendment BUT COME ON...

If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

I know, i know: guns don't kill people: bla, bla, bla.  How would you feel if he was holding a bottle of bourbon (legal)???

So, an 11 year old holding a .22lr causes you to piss your pants?  Geezus, I have no words.

It's black and has a clip, that's an assault weapon.

So does this...
[www.airsoft-gun-info.com image 480x360]

And this...
[www.fairchildgiftcompany.com image 640x390]

Even this...
[www.airsoftmagic.com image 300x301]

They has full auto capabilities, can fire 100+ rounds, some have clips... are they assault weapons?

/hint: they're -all- BB guns.


So, can it fire those deadly armor-piercing BBs?
 
2013-03-19 10:45:23 PM

jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic".



Well semi-automatic rifles are not automatic rifles so those people are wrong. This is black and white. If you have a rifle that reloads itself after a shot is fired it can be on of two things, automatic or semi-automatic. The fact that some people don't know the difference does not make them correct, it makes them look like idiots.
 
2013-03-19 10:46:59 PM
Nappen, Moore's attorney, told the Blaze more details about the ordeal.

I suddenly have doubts that this actually happened for some reason.
 
2013-03-19 10:47:46 PM

rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.


It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.
 
2013-03-19 10:48:13 PM

jaytkay: Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.


We are.  The folks were told no, they could not enter the house and they ended up being denied.  Pretty amusing outcome,even if the backing situation is beyond dumb.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:29 PM

jso2897: jaytkay: feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.

Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense

Dude - nobody actually thinks that Cletus' little blog tale actually went down the way he said it did, and nobody cares. It's a good story, and this is Fark.com - where it's all about the narrative.
Anyway, you can prove practically anything with facts - facts are a crutch for weak minded people.
Pussy.



I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:43 PM

rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.


Rule of thumb is: Magazine feeds the chamber, a clip feeds the magazine.
 
2013-03-19 10:50:15 PM
guns, cars, and sex are wrong to teach children to handle responsibly.

It's better to pretend these things don't exist.
 
2013-03-19 10:51:38 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters


The music that we stole from black people?
 
2013-03-19 10:52:13 PM

jaytkay: War criminal!!


Terrorists!!


2nd Amendment hero!!
 


One difference in those pictures is child number three doesn't have his finger on the trigger.
 
2013-03-19 10:52:19 PM

feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.


Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

upload.wikimedia.org

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?
 
2013-03-19 10:52:41 PM

Scrotastic Method: fnordfocus: In California, it's common for Officers to cover their badge numbers and name tapes with black tape.  I'm not surprised that civilians are getting in on the same anonymity action.

Common? No. Happens during politically-charged riots? Sometimes. Always illegal? Yes. Are they getting away with it? Not so much any more.

https://www.baycitizen.org/news/policing/two-oakland-officers-discip li ned-over/


A thirty day paid suspension, still pending appeal, is pretty much getting away with it.

However, I saw Officers do this when I lived in Oakland, years before there was any Occupy movement.
 
2013-03-19 10:53:16 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters


I wasn't going to bleat "Waaaah, racism", honest. I never accuse anybody of "racism" here on Fark, and never will. It's something that only punks do, if you hear what I'm saying to you, bro.
I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves, and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them. It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?). So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. And when I say chips, I mean "chips ahoy".
 
2013-03-19 10:53:31 PM

Elmo Jones: Odd.
"Exactly the same" with a different magazine capacity.
I imagine the scope would allow greater accuracy from a greater distance.
The stand would allow a steadier shot, from a fixed position.
The flash suppressor would suppress flashes.
The magazine would allow for a higher capacity.

Other than that, they're exactly the same.


The magazine capacity is the same it is just styled to look like it holds more than the stock magazine.
The scope does not effect the capabilities of the gun only the shooter. With the effective range of that rifle if you aren't proficient with the stock iron sights a scope isn't going to help you much.
Same with the bipod. Not going to help you much.
Not a lot of muzzle flash with a .22 so that is essentially cosmetic.
When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same. A shooter is not going to benefit much from the changes. It's the same as putting an SI badge on a stock Honda Civic or racing stripes on a Smart Car.
 
2013-03-19 10:55:09 PM

HeadLever: jaytkay: Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

We are.  The folks were told no, they could not enter the house and they ended up being denied.  Pretty amusing outcome,even if the backing situation is beyond dumb.


Yes, this story would be just as interesting if the picture had been of the child skydiving or juggling chainsaws or something else that requires adult supervision. Some people just won't believe it because it involves a firearm.
 
2013-03-19 10:55:33 PM

feckingmorons: jso2897: jaytkay: feckingmorons: Seems like you're the only one outraged. The rest of us are just amused you are so worked up.

Yep, this story is being spread about the numerous web sites you mentioned because gun nuts are amused.

/ You're not even trying to make sense

Dude - nobody actually thinks that Cletus' little blog tale actually went down the way he said it did, and nobody cares. It's a good story, and this is Fark.com - where it's all about the narrative.
Anyway, you can prove practically anything with facts - facts are a crutch for weak minded people.
Pussy.


I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.


I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I can't let you post that, Dave.
 
2013-03-19 10:56:23 PM

feckingmorons: I think someone gifted TF on a bot, this can't possible be a human saying these things.


Meh, actually we do believe you say these things.
 
2013-03-19 10:57:21 PM

jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic". They may even use the terms clip and magazine interchangeably.


... but they're wrong to do so, and those people in favour of gun control who can't even be bothered to get their basic firearms terms straightened out cannot be expected to have their opinions on the subject of firearms taken seriously. This is especially the case when it comes to nonsensical talk about banning "assault weapons", which are already so severely restricted as to be practically non-existent.

So Sarah Palin is President.


Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?  "OMG YOU CALLED US ON OUR BULLSH*T, THEREFORE WE WILL IRONICALLY SAY THAT SARAH PALIN IS PRESIDENT AND HOPE THAT OUR BULLSH*T IS DROWNED OUT BY OUR SELF- CONGRATULATORY LAUGHTER".

And murdering a classroom of first graders is totally cool.

Oh, a right-wing person said this? I'm afraid it's [Citation Needed] time, you poor brainwashed bastard.
 
2013-03-19 11:00:30 PM

jso2897: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: It's not so much that you can't - it's just - why would you bother? They'll be bred out of existence in a few more years, anyway. Whiteness is a recessive mutation, only useful in an ice age.

To be fair, whiteness was also useful for things like developing modern (i.e., effective) medicine and technology, for abolishing slavery and establishing the concepts of "human rights" and individual freedoms, and for originating the greatest art, music, and literature that humanity has ever known. Genetics determines culture. Doubtless we Whiteys will be missed when we finally arrive at the homogenous coffee- coloured utopia of the future (tho' naturally it'll be represented as the triumph of "diversity" when everybody is exactly the same) -- at least I assume we will be missed, judging by the fact that contemporary mass migration patterns are overwhelmingly in the direction of white- majority countries, and mysteriously never in the direction of the countries of Asia and Africa.

Speaking purely from a scientific perspective, you seem to have fallen into the common trap of believing that every "mutation" is negative, which from a Darwinist perspective is obviously nonsense; without mutations, humanity would not have evolved to begin with. As for "recessive": blonde hair in women is recessive, but does that mean that blondes are less attractive than other women? 19 out of 20 "blonde" women are actually dying their hair, so the answer would appear to be no... in short, if you really care about "diversity", or if you're so keen on preserving the variety in nature that you want to save the polar bear, think about saving Whitey as well.

/and before you bleat "waah wacism"... save your breath, I've heard it all before -- it's the truth, and that's all that matters

I wasn't going to bleat "Waaaah, racism", honest. I never accuse anybody of "racism" here on Fark, and never will. It's something that only punks do, if you hear what I'm saying to you, ...


Are you trolling, a black supremacist, or something else? I'm just confused right now.
 
2013-03-19 11:01:20 PM

feckingmorons: Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.


Can we lie, push in the door, and say you consented anyway?  YES

Google "knock-and-talk."
 
2013-03-19 11:01:38 PM
When we were kids about 10 years old in the late 50's early 60's my dad would bring home a BAR from ARMY reserves on the weekends and we would go target shooting in the strip-mines, the tracers were my favorite. they wouldn't let him bring home a bazooka but he did get us a live shell for one.
 
2013-03-19 11:02:46 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jaytkay: Some people call semi-autos "automatic". They may even use the terms clip and magazine interchangeably.

... but they're wrong to do so, and those people in favour of gun control who can't even be bothered to get their basic firearms terms straightened out cannot be expected to have their opinions on the subject of firearms taken seriously. This is especially the case when it comes to nonsensical talk about banning "assault weapons", which are already so severely restricted as to be practically non-existent.

So Sarah Palin is President.

Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?  "OMG YOU CALLED US ON OUR BULLSH*T, THEREFORE WE WILL IRONICALLY SAY THAT SARAH PALIN IS PRESIDENT AND HOPE THAT OUR BULLSH*T IS DROWNED OUT BY OUR SELF- CONGRATULATORY LAUGHTER".

And murdering a classroom of first graders is totally cool.

Oh, a right-wing person said this? I'm afraid it's [Citation Needed] time, you poor brainwashed bastard.


To answer your first question, our liberal friends all think that they're Jon Stewart and Colbert and totally making salient points by using logical fallacies. Worst comes to worst, they'll just resort to the "muh feelings!" argument when they're cornered.
 
2013-03-19 11:02:46 PM

rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?


Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.
 
2013-03-19 11:03:21 PM
"Do you know why Americans love guns, Mr. Hertz? And it's got nothing to do with all that phallic mumbo-jumbo, "cockin' your gun." No, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity, where a poor man can become rich, and a pussy can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand."
 
2013-03-19 11:04:06 PM

FlashHarry: Noticeably F.A.T.: Differing tastes. Some people like the accessorized look. It's all personal preference, but when you get right down to what makes the gun work, you haven't changed a thing other than cosmetics.

i have no problem with cosmetics. accessorize away! i mean, if a guy wants to play army and pretend that he's a badass, i'm fine with it. i personally think it's kind of juvenile. but i agree; banning guns based on pure cosmetics is silly and wrong.

but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever). you can create a magazine that looks like a 30-round version so you can still play army.


Just shut the fark up.
 
2013-03-19 11:04:13 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.
 
2013-03-19 11:05:12 PM

feckingmorons: When some government agency wishes to enter your home uninvited involving your attorney is always the wisest thing to do.


Absofarkinglutely.

I get lots of Facebook crap from some of my more right-wing friends who think Obama wants to take everyone's guns.  I don't think Obama necessarily does.  I *do* think it's the bottom-feeder, busy-body types like this that want to take your guns.  FOR TEH CHILDRENS.

F*ck the lot of 'em.  ESPECIALLY if they think they can bully their way into someone's home!  And all they end up doing is giving "gun nut" conspiracy theorists more (no pun intended) ammunition.
 
2013-03-19 11:06:15 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Why do left-wing idiots think that this sarcastic formulation amounts to a real argument?


Because they are poor at providing arguments that have any amount of fact.  Therefore, it must be trollish.
 
2013-03-19 11:06:53 PM

Frank N Stein: logical fallacies


Logical fallacies?

I agreed with you people.

1) Libs are misusing the terms "clip" and "magazine". They confuse "semi-auto" with "auto".
2) Therefore legal restrictions on firearms are unconstitutional.

Case closed.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:18 PM

fnordfocus: feckingmorons: Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.

Can we lie, push in the door, and say you consented anyway?  YES

Google "knock-and-talk."


While I am sure there are some bad cops (like the moose murderers) the vast majority are good, hardworking people.

Yes, knock and talk is a great investigative tool. However if people wish to invite the police into their house they should be certain there is nothing illegal going on that the police could see. There is never any benefit in talking to the police. I've posted this 45 minute video before, but this seems like a good time to post it again: Don't Talk to the Police.

I was a cop in a major metropolitan area in Florida. We always said, admit nothing, deny everything and get an attorney. That is what cops do, you should do it to.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:42 PM
So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?
 
2013-03-19 11:08:10 PM

Frank N Stein: liberal friends all think that they're Jon Stewart and Colbert


And they think Stewart and Colbert are news programs.
 
2013-03-19 11:08:27 PM

noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?


We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.
 
2013-03-19 11:08:33 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.


The box is not a magazine.  It's an ammo can.  A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.  Since it isn't attached, it's not a magazine.

Heed your own advise dumbass.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:09 PM

FlashHarry: but if it's just cosmetics, then there's nothing wrong with banning 30-round magazines and limiting capacity to, say, 10 rounds (or 8 rounds or 12 or whatever).


But that isn't cosmetic it is functional.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:50 PM

GUTSU: Are you trolling, a black supremacist, or something else? I'm just confused right now.


I am just giving the (stupid) people what they want - and what they want is to feel both superior, and victimized. How else could anyone take any of the "race" shiat that gets posted on Fark seriously?

And revealing which false construct you think of as a "race" I belong to would spoil the fun.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:54 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


The same reason why you wouldn't let them in your house, or let them search your papers, possessions, or premises.

Of course, now you're going to tell us that you're the only person in America without anything to hide, and you'd let anybody rummage through your life with impunity simply because they flash a badge or claim some sort of authority.
 
2013-03-19 11:11:06 PM

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: logical fallacies

Logical fallacies?

I agreed with you people.

1) Libs are misusing the terms "clip" and "magazine". They confuse "semi-auto" with "auto".
2) Therefore legal restrictions on firearms are unconstitutional.

Case closed.


/red harring and strawman all in one

Go to bed bro
 
2013-03-19 11:11:47 PM

jaytkay: Logical fallacies?


Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


Yep, about 50 of them
 
2013-03-19 11:12:15 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


Why should he? People can now barge into your home and demand you let them search it without a warrant?
 
2013-03-19 11:12:47 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?
If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.
 
2013-03-19 11:13:27 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.
 
2013-03-19 11:14:03 PM

jso2897: Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?
If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.


edgy/10
 
2013-03-19 11:14:24 PM

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?


That is where he keeps his pot.
 
2013-03-19 11:14:24 PM
Dad really needs to check out his Facebook friends.  At least one of them is an idiot.
 
Oak
2013-03-19 11:14:37 PM

djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 11:14:54 PM

BGates: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

The box is not a magazine.  It's an ammo can.  A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.  Since it isn't attached, it's not a magazine.

Heed your own advise dumbass.


So that hold where we stored torpedoes just shy of the tubes on the boat wasn't a magazine?  You sure?  The DOD has other ideas.  I can't remember a spring.

You see, the term "magazine" predates cartridges.  If your assertion was true, this wouldn't be possible.  Wanna try again?
 
2013-03-19 11:15:03 PM
As usual I'm late to the thread and don't really want to read through 380 posts. Can anyone give me a rough idea about how many fools fell for this story?

/ I'd call shenanigans
// but it's just too obvious
 
2013-03-19 11:15:23 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.


so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?
 
2013-03-19 11:15:45 PM

jso2897: This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?


Dude, get that hook out of your lip.
 
2013-03-19 11:16:41 PM

NephilimNexus: Take the kids?  Take the guns?  I think the government's heads were exploding on trying to decide which rights they wanted to stomp on first.


arago4.tnw.utwente.nl

"I'll have the lot."


Why "decide" when can have everything on the menu?
 
2013-03-19 11:16:57 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


Stop being goofy, troll.  Blues, Jazz, and Rock all came from black people.  Scottish Gaels - what the hell is that supposed to be?  Next you'll be saying it was aliens.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:22 PM

real_headhoncho: feckingmorons: real_headhoncho: Why haven't this Social Services agents (SS agents?...) been outed for public ridicule and a good thrashing.

/I'd shoot anyone threatening to take away my kids so they can BS their way into my home.

Yeah, don't go quite that far. Talking to them, as in this case, worked well. Keep it simple, two letter words are easily understood. Use NO a lot.

Can we come in? NO
Can we see your guns? NO
Can we see your gun safe? NO
Can we register your guns? NO
Can we have a cup of coffee? NO
Can we go away angry because you wouldn't let us bully you? Sure, be my guest.

Trouble is these farks don't take NO for an answer.


FTFA: After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing."

Sounds like she took NO for an answer to me.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:42 PM

schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?


Cosmo is a magazine and a cocktail.
 
2013-03-19 11:18:50 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: jaytkay: War criminal!!
[www.awsg.us image 301x245]

Terrorists!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 301x211]

2nd Amendment hero!!
 [www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

Oh scary.  The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding.   THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB.  If it looks scary, it must BE scary.
[cdn2.cheaperthandirt.com image 590x300]


Oh really? Where does the 18 round magazine go in that one?

Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.
 
2013-03-19 11:19:31 PM

feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.


You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-03-19 11:20:37 PM

rohar: You see, the term "magazine" predates cartridges. If your assertion was were true, this wouldn't be possible. Wanna try again?


English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:31 PM

schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?


Almost.  The belt is not important.  The box you store the belt in is a magazine.  All clips are magazines, however, not all magazines are clips.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:37 PM

HeadLever: jso2897: This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?

Dude, get that hook out of your lip.


Hey - the first rule of the Perpetual Victims Club is that you never talk about the Perpetual Victims Club.
I the troll admits that he knows he's being trolled by the trolls he's trolling - well, that would be like dividing by zero - especially when it's in a troll thread about a troll blog to begin with.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:53 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]


OK, then they are both assault rifles, and should both be banned. Satisfied?

We don't want to ban guns that are "scary looking." We want to ban guns that can fire many rounds and high accuracy and high velocity without having to stop to reload.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:43 PM

Tommy Moo: Oh really? Where does the 18 round magazine go in that one?


In the receptacle for the magazine, commonly called the magazine well. Exactly where it goes in every other rifle of that type.

Incidentally, if a rifle with a standard-capacity magazine equates to mass murder, we should all be dead. Your bombastic rhetoric is nonsense. Also, since you brought up hunting, feel free to cite the Hunting clause of the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:45 PM

HeadLever: jaytkay: Logical fallacies?

Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?

Yep, about 50 of them


Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened?  Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story?  Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?
 
2013-03-19 11:22:52 PM

Tommy Moo: Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


Did your parents have any kids that lived?
 
2013-03-19 11:22:58 PM

feckingmorons: schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?

Cosmo is a magazine and a cocktail.


do they have cocktails just below the galley on a submarine? are there springs in the galley? this is important...
 
2013-03-19 11:23:53 PM

feckingmorons: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.


Sure.  It's a belt fed rifle.  The definition of a magazine I posted above.  While the term magazine is used and applicable in many instances, when talking about the magazine of an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon", calling a belt from an ammo can a magazine isn't applicable unless the ammo can is specifically attached to the firearm.  Which in the picture, the ammo can is not attached therefore should not be considered a magazine.
 
2013-03-19 11:24:57 PM

manimal2878: HeadLever: jaytkay: Logical fallacies?

Yep.

plewis: So... Any reason the dickhead didn't just show the person the gun safe?

Yep, about 50 of them

Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened?  Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story?  Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?


I think we've already covered that - if we push it any farther, we are likely to be informed that we are probably a blast at parties. Sarcastically.
 
2013-03-19 11:25:13 PM
Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?
 
2013-03-19 11:25:21 PM
There are poeple who will never believe this even if Eric Holder tapdances across CNN and says it happened just they way it has been reported. They think anyone who has a gun must be insane and can't possibly remember what happened for the children.

Then there are the rest of us, we know it costs a buck for one round of 9mm, we know that Senators are trying to ban guns because they are scary looking, we know that some legislatures like NY and Colorado have already passed laws to restrict he size of magazines we can own - which truly means nothing as I can shoot 60 bullets in one or 20 bullets in 3 or 10 bullets in six all under 30 seconds. We all know that we can add more and more laws, but criminals won't care, they're criminals after all. What we need is comprehensive mental health care. It will help those like Adam Lanza, and many of the gun banning crowd.
 
2013-03-19 11:25:33 PM

Frank N Stein: In other gun related news, DiFi's assault weapon ban finally died. No scary black gun ban, no mag ban, and no registration. And of course, DiFi cried like a little biatch about it.

It's a good day.



I'll drink to that!
 
2013-03-19 11:25:40 PM

titwrench: When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same.



That's a 10 round magazine?
WTF?
 
2013-03-19 11:25:56 PM

jaytkay: Yay, training your kid to commit the next Columbine or Sandy Hook. Patriotism!!


Fark you, asshole.
 
2013-03-19 11:26:16 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.


Actually in that context, the box is the magazine.  The literal definition of magazine is essentially "a container for things that are mostly the same."  It is derived from the old french for storehouse.  A clip is not a magazine because the bullets are not held inside the clip.
 
2013-03-19 11:26:39 PM

John Buck 41: Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?


it depends, was she on a submarine at the time?
 
2013-03-19 11:27:13 PM

Tommy Moo: Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


When do these have to be mutually exclusive.  Some of my type of hunting has a bag limit of more than one.  Wolves, squirrels, rockchucks, praire dogs, rabbits, etc.  While bolt action guns are definatly good in these circumstances, so is a semi auto with higher magazine capacities.
 
2013-03-19 11:27:34 PM
There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.
 
2013-03-19 11:27:36 PM

BGates: A magazine is defined as an ammo feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm.


No, it's not.  Buy an actual dictionary.
 
2013-03-19 11:28:32 PM

rohar: feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.


Except that the stripper clip that the ammo is loaded on is not intrinsic to the firearm.  It is placed on the top of the firearm and is not used in firing the firearm.  The clip is generally used to speed load the internal magazine of the firearm so that the firearm can be fired.
 
2013-03-19 11:29:18 PM

Tommy Moo: Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


But that is simply not true. I own a fully automatic weapon that can hold 60 rounds in the magazine and yet I've never committed one murder, much less mass murder. There are hundreds of millions of magazines in this country and yet very few mentally ill people commit mass murder. The proportion is infinitesimally small. If we compared the proportion of lawn mowers to deaths from lawn mowers and legislated solely on percentages we would all have to get sheep.
 
2013-03-19 11:29:51 PM

jmr61: There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.


Links to the Blaze and a shaitty blog?  The Hell you say!
 
2013-03-19 11:29:53 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: The music that we stole from black people?

We didn't steal any music from black people... there are white people who have worked in historically black musical genres such as the blues, and black people who have worked in historically white musical genres such as classical music and opera. Do you believe that Kathleen Battle or Jessye Norman "stole" opera from white people? If not, why do you believe that (for example) Elvis Presley "stole" music from black people?

The history of popular music in the US is far more complex than you've probably been told -- it owes as much to the Anglo- Celtic folksong legacy as it does to the traditions of black ex- slaves. (Just listen to Gaelic- language reponsorial Psalms from the Scottish Highlands and tell me that you aren't reminded of the modern call- and- response of modern gospel music, bearing in mind that Scottish Gaels settled in large numbers in the American South). --Only white left- liberal pussies in America try to deny their own ancestors' contributions by supposing that anything good in their country's cultural traditions must have had an Afro- American origin.


I don't know this thread devolved to this, but Led Zeppelin's attorney wants you to shut the Hell up.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:06 PM

manimal2878: Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened? Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story? Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?


yep.  Source chosen for your specific bent.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:19 PM

rohar: schoolbread: rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

The box is a magazine, so is the hold just behind the torpedo tubes on a submarine.  No springs in either case.

English, it's a language and it's pretty farking demanding.  Learn it.

so the belt on a belt fed machinegun is a magazine, a clip is a magazine, and a magazine is a clip. I get that about right?

Almost.  The belt is not important.  The box you store the belt in is a magazine.  All clips are magazines, however, not all magazines are clips.


The belt is very important.  A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:24 PM

jso2897: I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves,


Aww jso2897, I didn't realize you were black! That "albino" stuff is straight out of the Nation of Islam playbook. Now look, your being black rather than a cringing self- hating white liberal means that, while you're still full of sh*t, I can at least respect you as a human being because -- like me -- you are willing to stand up for your own people.

Some free science advice is in order though pal: white people aren't the same as albinos; albinism also exists among black populations in Africa, where incidentally the severed body parts of albinos are in high demand by African medicine men -- though perhaps you'd say that they are merely combatting "white privilege"...

and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Michelangelo, da Vinci, Raphael, Descartes, Kant, Hume, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Eliot, Yeats, Pasteur, Edison, Ford, etc. etc. etc., and others far too numerous to mention, are even greater accomplishments of ours -- far more so than the cheap stereotypes of some idiotic movie you saw on TV; these are the people whose contributions have made it possible for you to live your life of comfort and prosperity, and to have the freedom to type moronic anti- White screeds on the internet.

It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?).

? I don't have a milkman, and the meter reading is now done remotely... so what the hell are you talking about, exactly? And is there anyone alive on this earth with the name "Leotis"?!?

So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. And when I say chips, I mean "chips ahoy".

This is meaningless drivel. Well OK, everything you've written so far has been meaningless drivel, but this is even more so.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:35 PM

Elmo Jones: titwrench: When all is said and done the capabilities of both rifles are the same, exactly the same.


That's a 10 round magazine?
WTF?


They make a 25 round that looks similar and a 50 round drum for that particular rifle that fits regardless of the "styling" of the rifle but the one that comes with that kit is a 10 round magazine made to look cool.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:47 PM

schoolbread: John Buck 41: Probably shouldn't let them see the pic of my 4 y/o daughter reading Guns And Ammo magazine back in '87, huh?

it depends, was she on a submarine at the time?


Sorry. Reference escapes me.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:59 PM

BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.

Except that the stripper clip that the ammo is loaded on is not intrinsic to the firearm.  It is placed on the top of the firearm and is not used in firing the firearm.  The clip is generally used to speed load the internal magazine of the firearm so that the firearm can be fired.


Assuming the cartridge can be fed to the breach without the "clip" it's not a clip at all, simply a magazine.

Given all of this discussion, I have to ask.  What do you see as the definitive difference between the superset magazine, and the subset clip?
 
2013-03-19 11:31:10 PM

feckingmorons: There are poeple who will never believe this even if Eric Holder tapdances across CNN and says it happened just they way it has been reported. They think anyone who has a gun must be insane and can't possibly remember what happened for the children.

Then there are the rest of us, we know it costs a buck for one round of 9mm, we know that Senators are trying to ban guns because they are scary looking, we know that some legislatures like NY and Colorado have already passed laws to restrict he size of magazines we can own - which truly means nothing as I can shoot 60 bullets in one or 20 bullets in 3 or 10 bullets in six all under 30 seconds. We all know that we can add more and more laws, but criminals won't care, they're criminals after all. What we need is comprehensive mental health care. It will help those like Adam Lanza, and many of the gun banning crowd.


I don't think anybody doubts that in a nation of 350 million people, that a nosy neighbor may have dropped a dime and an overzealous social worker made an ass of themselves to no avail, and nothing happened.
I do think that some of us are a tad amused at the universal conclusions being drawn by some of America's latest and loudest group of perpetual victims.
 
2013-03-19 11:31:39 PM

willfullyobscure: feckingmorons: willfullyobscure: military-style weapon

But they're not military style weapons any more than Chicago Deep Dish Style is pizza (it is a casserole). Military weapons are selctive fire, they can and do fire fully automatic. The kid has a .22 caliber target rifle (it appears to me to be a S&W M&P 15-22) it is not automatic, it fires a rimfire cartridge, it costs about $500. The only similarity to a military rifle is cosmetic.

You just think they look scary and you want all the scary things to go away.

Correct. My argument is about style. A Model 70 can pierce an armored car. A Tikka T3 is a better sniper platform than anything the military uses. A Marlin 60 holds fifteen rounds and can be reloaded in 3 seconds(with a tube). None of these guns look like an AR-15 because they are purpose built- they are not fashion accessories. Guns should not be fashion accessories. We give up nothing by losing these tactifool firearms except the gun nut fantasy world of FEMA camps and Rambo wannabes.

My argument is that people who buy firearms in order to pretend they are bad ass Navy Ranger specops BUDS paratroopeals are fools, and we should not suffer fools gladly, because we do not want to live in a society where the civilian apes military dress, military manners, and so on.

You know who else encouraged the same kind of thing, even recruiting civilian corps of boys to engage in military style exercises and learn to fire military small arms? Who encouraged the fetishization of military culture and military garb? Do you?



attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com

Why yes, yes I do, as a matter of fact.

Why do you ask?
 
2013-03-19 11:32:08 PM

BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

Sure.  It's a belt fed rifle.  The definition of a magazine I posted above.  While the term magazine is used and applicable in many instances, when talking about the magazine of an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon", calling a belt from an ammo can a magazine isn't applicable unless the ammo can is specifically attached to the firearm.  Which in the picture, the ammo can is not attached therefore should not be ...


I'm not really clear what your point is? I'm not really clear that you have a point. You can call it whatever you wish. Those of us who know the correct terms will use them. When the media who are supposed to be able to research and report accurately use the wrong terms we will think they are failing to meet their professional obligation of journalistic integrity. Well, we already think that so call them any thing you wish. Bullet keeper thingy, feel free to use that.
 
2013-03-19 11:32:21 PM

BGates: The belt is very important. A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.



And yet the dictionary still defines the can as a magazine.  Odd huh?
 
2013-03-19 11:33:20 PM

Tommy Moo: Ow! That was my feelings!: Elmo Jones: Ow! That was my feelings!: Oh scary. The below rifle is functionally the same as the scary looking gun the kid is holding. THIS is a primo example of the fallacy of an AWB. If it looks scary, it must BE scary.

Why is the "same" weapon always shown without a magazine?
I'm not saying they're not the same, I'm just asking why the wooden stock weapon is always shown, without the magazine. From a small picture, it could be bolt-action, which is a different thing.

It does have a magazine.   The pic I provided has a ten rounder that is not visible from that picture.  The rifle is a Ruger 10/22, a super popular plinking rifle.   The below pic is of EXACTLY the same firearm.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 850x513]

OK, then they are both assault rifles, and should both be banned. Satisfied?

We don't want to ban guns that are "scary looking." We want to ban guns that can fire many rounds and high accuracy and high velocity without having to stop to reload.


Yeah, think of all the people that have died because of bayonet lugs, pistol grips. Never mind the fact that things like bayonets are still legal to buy and own in all 50 states, and holding a weapon in a specific way doesn't cause the bullets any more deadly,
 
2013-03-19 11:34:43 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I realize that you albinos need some reason to feel proud of yourselves,

Aww jso2897, I didn't realize you were black! That "albino" stuff is straight out of the Nation of Islam playbook. Now look, your being black rather than a cringing self- hating white liberal means that, while you're still full of sh*t, I can at least respect you as a human being because -- like me -- you are willing to stand up for your own people.

Some free science advice is in order though pal: white people aren't the same as albinos; albinism also exists among black populations in Africa, where incidentally the severed body parts of albinos are in high demand by African medicine men -- though perhaps you'd say that they are merely combatting "white privilege"...

and surely I wouldn't want to take that from you. Banjo music and trailer parks are a huge accomplishment, and our culture would be poorer without them.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Michelangelo, da Vinci, Raphael, Descartes, Kant, Hume, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Eliot, Yeats, Pasteur, Edison, Ford, etc. etc. etc., and others far too numerous to mention, are even greater accomplishments of ours -- far more so than the cheap stereotypes of some idiotic movie you saw on TV; these are the people whose contributions have made it possible for you to live your life of comfort and prosperity, and to have the freedom to type moronic anti- White screeds on the internet.

It's also important to record you vast accomplishments for history, before you milkmen and meter readers breed you out of existence (you have noticed that your kids look more like Leotis down at the gas station than you, haven't you?).

? I don't have a milkman, and the meter reading is now done remotely... so what the hell are you talking about, exactly? And is there anyone alive on this earth with the name "Leotis"?!?

So let's just forget all that politically correct racism crap and let the chips fall where they may. ...


You actually think I am black, and serious? OK. I apologize. I'm being mean, and I am quitting right now.
I didn't really think it was possible that you were this stupid.
I feel like an asshole, now - I've been goofing on an actual retard.
 
2013-03-19 11:34:58 PM

jmr61: There's almost no chance that this guy's story is 100% accurate.


I am betting that it probably is.

So far we have Huff Po, Yahoo,  Washington Post, and even MSN getting on the bandwagon.

Always amused by those that stick thier head in the sand when these types of stories come out.
 
2013-03-19 11:35:20 PM

HeadLever: manimal2878: Why are you guys still discussing this like it actually happened? Where are the statements from police or DYFS that would legitimize this story? Has any real news organasation investigated or reported it?

yep.  Source chosen for your specific bent.


Oh, crap HuffPO has it!

Retreat, retreat, retreat,

Argue about meanings of words! Talk about music styles.... anything..... confuse them until we can come up with some other canard.
 
2013-03-19 11:35:45 PM

rohar: BGates: The belt is very important. A can of ammo is useless to an automatic rifle unless the ammo is on a belt.


And yet the dictionary still defines the can as a magazine.  Odd huh?


But the pants fall down without the belt.
 
2013-03-19 11:36:28 PM

jso2897: I do think that some of us are a tad amused at the universal conclusions being drawn by some of America's latest and loudest group of perpetual victims.


What conclusion is that?
 
2013-03-19 11:36:53 PM

HeadLever: So far we have Huff Po, Yahoo, Washington Post, and even MSN getting on the bandwagon.


All of which only have the one guy's side of the story.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:02 PM

jso2897: You actually think I am black, and serious?


What race are you, if you don't mind me asking?
 
2013-03-19 11:37:06 PM

Mr. Eugenides: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: rohar: Quantum Apostrophe: rohar: mike_the_engineer: [www.knewance.com image 344x415]

You sure you've got that right?  You see, a magazine is just a pile of rounds stored or fed in to a breach.  A magazine is mechanically intrinsic to the loading of the breach.  From the picture, it appears you've got it bass ackwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_%28ammunition%29

Look at that, you submitted a definition that states a clip is a magazine with no distinguishing characteristics.
Sorry, I'm suddenly bored with this conversation.

It is pretty easy, and if you want to make it basic so that we can all go with a common understanding a clip holds bullets but is removed when the bullets are loaded (into a gun or magazine). A magazine holds bullets inside it and from there the bullets are forced with the use of a spring into the firing chamber of a gun.

It is all about the spring.

Look at that, a magazine with no spring:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x599]

You sure you've got a handle on what this is all about?

Not a mag or a clip.  It's a belt.

Try to keep up.

Actually in that context, the box is the magazine.  The literal definition of magazine is essentially "a container for things that are mostly the same."  It is derived from the old french for storehouse.  A clip is not a magazine because the bullets are not held inside the clip.


In the context we are speaking, you are wrong.  We are talking magazines which are used to rapid fire a firearm.

Magazine has many definitions.  It can be a stack of paper glued together also.  But that doesn't pertain to the conversation now does it.

Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:25 PM

jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.


Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:44 PM

NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.


Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants
 
2013-03-19 11:38:03 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: FTFA: After he told them they could not enter, a DYFS representative threatened to take his children. When Moore asked for her name, she refused to give it to him and soon left "empty handed and seeing nothing."

Sounds like she took NO for an answer to me.


Not initially. She threatened to take the kid away, which can strike fear in the heart of any parent.

I had to deal with social services when an asshole pediatrician filed a report about neglect after he examined my 6 month old and found out that he was very underweight. (blowing off the fact that i made the appt with him specifically to address the weight issue.)  SS opened an investigation on me and interviewed my 4 other kids and husband and made me sign a contract promising to follow the doc's instructions to the letter (and prove I was).  the next few months were the most stressful of my life.

My point being that using children as the threat can be a powerful motivator not to fight back. This lady is a first class biatch and I'd relish her identity being leaked to the media.
 
2013-03-19 11:38:16 PM

feckingmorons: Talk about music styles.... anything..... confuse them until we can come up with some other canard.


SARAH PALIN!  PreSIDENT......RON PAUL...Ackkk
 
2013-03-19 11:38:45 PM

BGates: Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.


Um, I did.  It said clips are a subset of magazines.  Where the hell are you trying to go with this?
 
2013-03-19 11:39:14 PM

HeadLever: yep.  Source chosen for your specific bent.


Fair enough.  But lets not pretend that I believe it now because it came from huff post and not the blaze.  I believe it now because the first article was bullshiat and showed no semblance of being anything more than being a rehash blog of what was said on some web forum.

The huff article showed evidence that somebody actually did some investigating and tried to find out the trutha and there quotes and names of officials so anyone could follow up themselves if they wanted to and verify the story was accurate.  You know what journalists are supposed to do.
 
2013-03-19 11:39:29 PM

Fart_Machine: All of which only have the one guy's side of the story.


And wich the other side was offered to tell its side and refused.  Something sounds fishy but not from the Parent's side.
 
2013-03-19 11:41:32 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: feckingmorons: Want to try that image again ace?


Yes, the term magazine has other uses, heck there is a building in Colonial Williamsburg you can tour that is a Powder Magazine (where ammunition was stored until needed). I tried to keep it simple for you distinguishing between a clip and a magazine as used in modern sporting rifles. Yes, there are firearms that are belt fed and hopper fed and even water cooled, but I didn't want to give you too much the first day.

You'll notice the device on the left is intrinsic to loading the cartridge in the chamber.  The device on the right most likely is not.  This is the defining characteristic of the subset of magazines that can be called clips.

I'm starting to think that many, who bring this issue up, have no idea what they're talking about.

Except that the stripper clip that the ammo is loaded on is not intrinsic to the firearm.  It is placed on the top of the firearm and is not used in firing the firearm.  The clip is generally used to speed load the internal magazine of the firearm so that the firearm can be fired.

Assuming the cartridge can be fed to the breach without the "clip" it's not a clip at all, simply a magazine.

Given all of this discussion, I have to ask.  What do you see as the definitive difference between the superset magazine, and the subset clip?


The clip is a tool used to reload the magazine of a firearm.  A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.
 
2013-03-19 11:41:33 PM

Frank N Stein: jso2897: You actually think I am black, and serious?

What race are you, if you don't mind me asking?


Human.
 
2013-03-19 11:41:44 PM

cardex: NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.

Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants


Yeah, what could the National Rifle Association possibly know about firearms? Everyone knows they whisper into the ears of children and tell them to murder blacks. Or, now follow me, maybe you're being an asshole for comparing an organization you politically disagree with to a bunch of pedophiles?
 
2013-03-19 11:42:00 PM

manimal2878: But lets not pretend that I believe it now because it came from huff post and not the blaze.


Eveything is through the partisan lense, amiright?

Lol, no wonder why we are quickly going downhill.
 
2013-03-19 11:42:40 PM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: jso2897: You actually think I am black, and serious?

What race are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Human.


*rolls eyes*
 
2013-03-19 11:43:45 PM

cardex: Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants


There are many other fine organizations that offer gun safety, shooting, and hunter safety programs led by their instructors. Most states Department of Natural Resources or their analog have instructors and classes, the military of course certifies instructors, and many local shooting organizations have their own insturctors.

The NRA is the largest organization, I'll grant you that and they offer the most classes from basic gun orientation, to basic handgun, women's self defense - the Don't Be A Victim program - to firearm education for children. The core message in the Eddie Eagle program for children when they encounter a gun in an unsupervised situation is ""If you see a gun, STOP! Don't Touch. Leave the Area. Tell an Adult."

How can you argue with that, and why do you equate the NRA with a group of criminal perverts? You might not like the NRA but they stand for the freedoms that made this country great. The same type of freedom you have that allows you to criticism them and attempt to besmirch their good name.

You belittle only yourself with comments like that.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:22 PM

feckingmorons: jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.

Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.


Says the guy who calls himself a " f**king moron"- apparently unaware that the term "moron" is also considered offensive, and, like "retarded", was once an acceptable term for a mentally deficient person.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:46 PM

Tommy Moo: Oh really? Where does the 18 round magazine go in that one?

Why do you people have such a hard time understanding this? Single shot bolt action = hunting. Lots of bullets without having to stop to reload = mass murder.


I don't know about that one, but my .22 is almost identical, and holds 14 rounds in the tube. No magazine. And you aren't exactly going to commit mass murder with a .22LR rifle.

Tommy Moo: OK, then they are both assault rifles, and should both be banned. Satisfied?


And if you think a .22LR rifle is an "assault rifle", you are even more ill-informed than I first thought.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:47 PM

jso2897: Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?


Well yeah, I mean I've posted facts and basically told the truth so... facts and truth are real enough for me.

If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.

See the list of scientific, philosophical, musical and literary names of White Oppressors I posted earlier in the thread... as I said before, you wouldn't even have the opportunity to post your anti- White bullsh*t if it weren't for the white men who laid the technological foundation for computing, you parasite. When you think about it, really, it's actually up to you to prove that non- European people have made a significant contribution to Anglo- American civilization rather than vice- versa -- unless you're one of those delusional idiots who believes that our entire civilization was stolen from the black Nubians who flew gliders over the pyramids, in which case you're totally beyond help.
 
2013-03-19 11:45:13 PM

rohar: BGates: Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.

Um, I did.  It said clips are a subset of magazines.  Where the hell are you trying to go with this?


Interesting since the word subset isn't found anywhere in the Wiki article.  What it did say is that the clip is used to load the magazine.
 
2013-03-19 11:46:29 PM

HeadLever: Fart_Machine: All of which only have the one guy's side of the story.

And wich the other side was offered to tell its side and refused.  Something sounds fishy but not from the Parent's side.


According to the AP story which is what HP re-printed the Police Chief was contacted late Tuesday so it's doubtful they could have gotten back an answer in time.  I guess we'll have to see.
 
2013-03-19 11:46:33 PM

feckingmorons: cardex: Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants

There are many other fine organizations that offer gun safety, shooting, and hunter safety programs led by their instructors. Most states Department of Natural Resources or their analog have instructors and classes, the military of course certifies instructors, and many local shooting organizations have their own insturctors.

The NRA is the largest organization, I'll grant you that and they offer the most classes from basic gun orientation, to basic handgun, women's self defense - the Don't Be A Victim program - to firearm education for children. The core message in the Eddie Eagle program for children when they encounter a gun in an unsupervised situation is ""If you see a gun, STOP! Don't Touch. Leave the Area. Tell an Adult."

How can you argue with that, and why do you equate the NRA with a group of criminal perverts? You might not like the NRA but they stand for the freedoms that made this country great. The same type of freedom you have that allows you to criticism them and attempt to besmirch their good name.

You belittle only yourself with comments like that.


So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.
 
2013-03-19 11:46:34 PM

BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.


No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.
 
2013-03-19 11:47:26 PM

GUTSU: cardex: NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.

Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants

Yeah, what could the National Rifle Association possibly know about firearms? Everyone knows they whisper into the ears of children and tell them to murder blacks. Or, now follow me, maybe you're being an asshole for comparing an organization you politically disagree with to a bunch of pedophiles?


What I am saying is that the NRA has taken an extremist view on the subject and may not be the most unbiased group to be doing the certification would you want MADD setting the amount of alcohol in beer or do you think a more neutral 3 party should have the final say
 
2013-03-19 11:47:55 PM

jso2897: feckingmorons: jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.

Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.

Says the guy who calls himself a " f**king moron"- apparently unaware that the term "moron" is also considered offensive, and, like "retarded", was once an acceptable term for a mentally deficient person.


In 1840. You'll notice that my user name is plural, it refers to people such as yourself.

Idiot and imbecile were also common terms in the mid 19th century, in fact there was a hierarchy of those terms. You may select whichever you wish for yourself.
 
2013-03-19 11:48:22 PM
Guns:  more important than children.

NRA for ever!
 
2013-03-19 11:49:26 PM

bingo the psych-o: Guns:  more important than children.

NRA for ever!


Cry more.
 
2013-03-19 11:49:53 PM

BGates: rohar: BGates: Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.

Um, I did.  It said clips are a subset of magazines.  Where the hell are you trying to go with this?

Interesting since the word subset isn't found anywhere in the Wiki article.  What it did say is that the clip is used to load the magazine.


But a magazine is often times a storage container nowhere near attached to the weapon.

I'm starting to think English is a second language for you.

Bah, let's ignore reality for a moment.  Why is this such a large issue for you?
 
2013-03-19 11:50:30 PM

Fart_Machine: HeadLever: Fart_Machine: All of which only have the one guy's side of the story.

And wich the other side was offered to tell its side and refused.  Something sounds fishy but not from the Parent's side.

According to the AP story which is what HP re-printed the Police Chief was contacted late Tuesday so it's doubtful they could have gotten back an answer in time.  I guess we'll have to see.


No, we all know that police departments don't have PIO's available when important news stories are breaking. Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012. The police chief needs to get his story straight with everyone. There are important details to be concocted.
 
2013-03-19 11:50:39 PM
Well, at least this kid is now prepared to defend himself when he goes and stands in line for a pair of Air Jordans.
 
2013-03-19 11:51:22 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: Wow. This is actually REAL for you, isn't it?

Well yeah, I mean I've posted facts and basically told the truth so... facts and truth are real enough for me.

If you are trying to prove that palefaces are smart, you best find an example other than yourself.

See the list of scientific, philosophical, musical and literary names of White Oppressors I posted earlier in the thread... as I said before, you wouldn't even have the opportunity to post your anti- White bullsh*t if it weren't for the white men who laid the technological foundation for computing, you parasite. When you think about it, really, it's actually up to you to prove that non- European people have made a significant contribution to Anglo- American civilization rather than vice- versa -- unless you're one of those delusional idiots who believes that our entire civilization was stolen from the black Nubians who flew gliders over the pyramids, in which case you're totally beyond help.


Apparently, you either can't or don't read, either. I have already stated, at various points in this thread that I am not black, that I am trolling you, and that you are a whiny, victimized idiot for drooling on about how great us honkies are, as if anybody cares. How stupid are you, anyway? How can one even avoid trolling somebody as dumb as you are? You will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, that allows you to cast yourself as a victim. Grow a pair, Nancy. You are embarrassing the men here.
 
2013-03-19 11:51:24 PM

cardex: What I am saying is that the NRA has taken an extremist view on the subject and may not be the most unbiased group to be doing the certification would you want MADD setting the amount of alcohol in beer or do you think a more neutral 3 party should have the final say


I'm not usually one to defend the NRA but you seem to be confusing certification of firearms safety with writing laws about guns.  THey aren't the same thing.

NRA certification would be like if MADD had a program to teach you to drive safely and gave you a certificate after you completed it, it would have nothing to do setting the amount of alcohol in beer or anything else.
 
2013-03-19 11:52:14 PM

feckingmorons: BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.

No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.


No shiat!

Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?  I bet you think the rifle wouldn't shoot without it.
 
2013-03-19 11:52:43 PM

noitsnot: Stop being goofy, troll. Blues, Jazz, and Rock all came from black people. Scottish Gaels - what the hell is that supposed to be? Next you'll be saying it was aliens.


Either you're pretending to be ignorant for the sake of sarcasm or you're a close contender for the most ignorant left-liberal on this thread (and God knows, it's already a crowded field). If you genuinely haven't heard of the Scottish Gaels then you have no business commenting on matters to do with the ethnic origin of popular music in the United States -- you can just go back to your Sociology 101 class and the all- purpose explanation for all evils that "it was the white man what done it".
 
2013-03-19 11:52:47 PM
blu.stb.s-msn.com

The kid looks like he's better trained to handle guns than the average nut who feels the need to pose with them.
 
2013-03-19 11:52:57 PM

MrHappyRotter: If we teach our kids to hold big guns and shoot big guns, imagine what other large phallic objects they'll want to fondle and stick in their mouths.  This is a Christian nation, and everybody has the right to own a gun, but as a parent it is your duty to teach your kids to be heterosexual and not have him idolize guns and shooting stuff that might turn him gay.  Furthermore, if you insist on teaching your kid his way around a rifle, you better be sure not to dress him so snappy and fashionable.  You're practically sticking your cock in his mouth.  It's wrong.  It's sick.  It's got to stop.  It's time to support the National Association of Guns and Gun Education and Re-education Society.


I appreciate you.
 
2013-03-19 11:53:03 PM

feckingmorons: No, we all know that police departments don't have PIO's available when important news stories are breaking. Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012.


Yes, that's the perfect analogy.  This is the most important news story ever!  You're a loon.
 
2013-03-19 11:53:12 PM

cardex: GUTSU: cardex: NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.

Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants

Yeah, what could the National Rifle Association possibly know about firearms? Everyone knows they whisper into the ears of children and tell them to murder blacks. Or, now follow me, maybe you're being an asshole for comparing an organization you politically disagree with to a bunch of pedophiles?

What I am saying is that the NRA has taken an extremist view on the subject and may not be the most unbiased group to be doing the certification would you want MADD setting the amount of alcohol in beer or do you think a more neutral 3 party should have the final say


You believe that the NRA would purposely sabotage someone trying to get a certification? Really? Also I wonder why the NRA has taken an "extremist view" it's almost as if a group of people are trying to push massive firearm bans or something!
 
2013-03-19 11:53:29 PM

cardex: would you want MADD setting the amount of alcohol in beer


No, but they sure did a great job of forcing our legislators to lower the prima facie limit of impairment (legally drunk) to .08mg/dl. So, in essence they did change the law.

I think you're confusing things though. Nobody is required to take any courses from the NRA. They are completely optional for everyone. If you want to learn gun safety the NRA is a great place to go.

If you want to learn to paint happy trees Bob Ross is your man (RIP).
 
2013-03-19 11:53:35 PM

jso2897: So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.


The NRA actually had a hand in sinking Nixon's proposal to ban these weapons.  Just so you know....

That being said, there was some concern about their saftey.
 
2013-03-19 11:54:13 PM

MrHappyRotter: Well, at least this kid is now prepared to defend himself when he goes and stands in line for a pair of Air Jordans.


What and take off those blue/green (urban camo) shoes he has on?
 
2013-03-19 11:54:30 PM

BGates: Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?


Because that's what we, in the English speaking world, chose to call it.  Kinda the same reason we call you a "man".  Language works that way.
 
2013-03-19 11:54:59 PM

tzzhc4: There isnt a DYFS for the state of New Jersey. The state agency is DCFS though there are county DYFS agencies

Still I call shenanigans on the story. Too many holes and no semi-credible source.


It's a Nutty Raving Asshole. He probably made this story up.
 
2013-03-19 11:55:22 PM

rohar: BGates: rohar: BGates: Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.

Um, I did.  It said clips are a subset of magazines.  Where the hell are you trying to go with this?

Interesting since the word subset isn't found anywhere in the Wiki article.  What it did say is that the clip is used to load the magazine.

But a magazine is often times a storage container nowhere near attached to the weapon.

I'm starting to think English is a second language for you.

Bah, let's ignore reality for a moment.  Why is this such a large issue for you?


It's not a large issue for me.

Just funny that you think a clip is a mag and that a can of belted ammo is a mag.  All are different.
 
2013-03-19 11:55:44 PM

Fart_Machine: feckingmorons: No, we all know that police departments don't have PIO's available when important news stories are breaking. Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012.

Yes, that's the perfect analogy.  This is the most important news story ever!  You're a loon.


I used an analogy, not a direct comparison. You're a simpleton.
 
2013-03-19 11:57:16 PM

GUTSU: cardex: GUTSU: cardex: NephilimNexus: sbking: If those parents let that kid, who is not even a teenager, hold that gun then they have no business being parents.  Foster homes are bad but they would be not cause as much damage to the kid as that home and they would probably save another mass shooting down the road.

Ahem...

"He also said Moore is more than qualified to carry the firearms, as he holds three significant firearms designations, including an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Instructor, and NJ State Certified Firearms Hunting Instructor."

That kid actually understands things like firearm safety, he doesn't have the need to wave his balls in people's faces and he doesn't think he's above the law.  So I'd trust that kid with a gun more than I would trust any overweight skinhead in badge who thinks people's ten pound dogs make for good target practice.

Am I the only one that thinks letting the NRA decide who is qualified to be a gun instructor is about like allowing nambla to certify grade school swim locker changeing room attendants

Yeah, what could the National Rifle Association possibly know about firearms? Everyone knows they whisper into the ears of children and tell them to murder blacks. Or, now follow me, maybe you're being an asshole for comparing an organization you politically disagree with to a bunch of pedophiles?

What I am saying is that the NRA has taken an extremist view on the subject and may not be the most unbiased group to be doing the certification would you want MADD setting the amount of alcohol in beer or do you think a more neutral 3 party should have the final say

You believe that the NRA would purposely sabotage someone trying to get a certification? Really? Also I wonder why the NRA has taken an "extremist view" it's almost as if a group of people are trying to push massive firearm bans or something!


No I believe that the NRA would never sabotage a certification I think they will give one to anyone who hands them 19.99 + shipping so its not worth the paper it's printed on just like the doctorate in metaphysics I got from the universal life church
 
2013-03-19 11:58:04 PM

BGates: rohar: BGates: rohar: BGates: Check out Wiki for the definition I am referring to.

Um, I did.  It said clips are a subset of magazines.  Where the hell are you trying to go with this?

Interesting since the word subset isn't found anywhere in the Wiki article.  What it did say is that the clip is used to load the magazine.

But a magazine is often times a storage container nowhere near attached to the weapon.

I'm starting to think English is a second language for you.

Bah, let's ignore reality for a moment.  Why is this such a large issue for you?

It's not a large issue for me.

Just funny that you think a clip is a mag and that a can of belted ammo is a mag.  All are different.


Just to be clear, you seem to have a hard time understanding what you're told, a clip is a specialized subset of magazines.  Belt fed ammo is just ammo, the can it's stored in is a magazine.

Predicate logic's a biatch, I know, but it is what it is.  Given your hardship with the English language and Arizona's recent laws, I'm left with no choice:

PAPERS PLEASE!?
 
2013-03-19 11:58:16 PM

BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.

No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.

No shiat!

Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?  I bet you think the rifle wouldn't shoot without it.



I really have no idea what you are on about. If you have a firearm and one round of ammunition you can fire the weapon.

What really are you talking about, it seems as if you're arguing with yourself and you needn't type all those out. Go into a small dark room and talk amongst yourself.
 
2013-03-19 11:58:22 PM

feckingmorons: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.


I'll take that deal. There's a sig mosquito at wild west I've had my eye on.
 
2013-03-19 11:58:54 PM

feckingmorons: jso2897: feckingmorons: jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.

Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.

Says the guy who calls himself a " f**king moron"- apparently unaware that the term "moron" is also considered offensive, and, like "retarded", was once an acceptable term for a mentally deficient person.

In 1840. You'll notice that my user name is plural, it refers to people such as yourself.

Idiot and imbecile were also common terms in the mid 19th century, in fact there was a hierarchy of those terms. You may select whichever you wish for yourself.


Again - I am just performing a service - helping perpetual victims feel even more victimized. Calling me names is a waste of your time - I am tired of American men who whine and cry like little girls anytime anything inconveniences them. You embarrass me, and I am telling you so. In one way or another, I will continue to do so until you grow up and stop whining and crying all the time.
I don't order people I don't like to go away - the fact that someone disagrees with me on the internet does not rank as a problem in my life. If what I say bothers you that much, you should ask yourself why - it's the element of truth that makes words hurt - bullshiat is easily laughed off.
 
2013-03-19 11:59:27 PM

cardex: No I believe that the NRA would never sabotage a certification I think they will give one to anyone who hands them 19.99 + shipping


You can't actually get them in the mail, there is a didactic and practical component.
 
2013-03-19 11:59:31 PM
cardex:
No I believe that the NRA would never sabotage a certification I think they will give one ...

So the largest organization to provide gun safety for over a hundred years is unqualified because...?
 
2013-03-19 11:59:57 PM

rohar: BGates: Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?

Because that's what we, in the English speaking world, chose to call it.  Kinda the same reason we call you a "man".  Language works that way.



English is a difficult language.  Words can have many meanings, as in this case.  It's OK if you can't comprehend this, don't let it get you down.
 
2013-03-20 12:00:05 AM

feckingmorons: Fart_Machine: feckingmorons: No, we all know that police departments don't have PIO's available when important news stories are breaking. Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012.

Yes, that's the perfect analogy.  This is the most important news story ever!  You're a loon.

I used an analogy, not a direct comparison. You're a simpleton.


See an analogy would be something comparable.  An international incident involving murder isn't the same as being bothered by CPS.  You farking dipshait.
 
2013-03-20 12:00:16 AM

elpresidenteALO: feckingmorons: djkutch: I don't understand why the gun folks and NRA don't buy every citizen a gun that can't afford it. Why is that different that any kind of charity?

Put up, or be reasonable.

I'll buy you a gun if you want. You have to pass the background check, fill out the 4473, and (this is my rule not the government's) take and pass an NRA safety course.

I'll take that deal. There's a sig mosquito at wild west I've had my eye on.



Oh, no I get to pick the guns. If it were that easy I'd take my own deal.
 
2013-03-20 12:01:17 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: Stop being goofy, troll. Blues, Jazz, and Rock all came from black people. Scottish Gaels - what the hell is that supposed to be? Next you'll be saying it was aliens.

Either you're pretending to be ignorant for the sake of sarcasm or you're a close contender for the most ignorant left-liberal on this thread (and God knows, it's already a crowded field). If you genuinely haven't heard of the Scottish Gaels then you have no business commenting on matters to do with the ethnic origin of popular music in the United States -- you can just go back to your Sociology 101 class and the all- purpose explanation for all evils that "it was the white man what done it".


www.clashmusic.com

Yo, man - I'ma let you finish, but I created all music in all forms in all of history - except y'all country-ass banjo crap.  That's on you, whitey.
 
2013-03-20 12:01:55 AM

feckingmorons: Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012.


Holy crap, the retards just when full Benghazi

/ You never go full Benghazi
 
2013-03-20 12:02:16 AM

jso2897: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Apparently, you either can't or don't read, either. I have already stated, at various points in this thread that I am not black,


So you're a cringing, self- hating white liberal sack of sh*t? Believe me, I'm sorry to hear it -- I'd much rather have believed that you were a proud black man, to hear the way you've slandered people of European origin as being ignorant, inbred, merely a "recessive mutation" doomed to extinction, etc. -- at least a black man would have been saying these things out of his own misguided pride, but for you to damn your ancestors and your descendants to annihilation, well -- you may hate yourself for your skin colour, you pathetic bastard, but most of the rest of us Whiteys don't feel the same way; and just to spite you we will continue to breed and frustrate whatever goddamn monoracial dystopia it is that you have in mind for the future. Now kindly kill yourself and stop polluting our gene pool.
 
2013-03-20 12:02:39 AM

jso2897: feckingmorons: jso2897: feckingmorons: jso2897: I've been goofing on an actual retard.

Many people find the term retard offensive.

I'm disappointed an official of the site gave you TF, you don't deserve it as you are classless and vulgar. I hope you go away.

Says the guy who calls himself a " f**king moron"- apparently unaware that the term "moron" is also considered offensive, and, like "retarded", was once an acceptable term for a mentally deficient person.

In 1840. You'll notice that my user name is plural, it refers to people such as yourself.

Idiot and imbecile were also common terms in the mid 19th century, in fact there was a hierarchy of those terms. You may select whichever you wish for yourself.

Again - I am just performing a service - helping perpetual victims feel even more victimized. Calling me names is a waste of your time - I am tired of American men who whine and cry like little girls anytime anything inconveniences them. You embarrass me, and I am telling you so. In one way or another, I will continue to do so until you grow up and stop whining and crying all the time.
I don't order people I don't like to go away - the fact that someone disagrees with me on the internet does not rank as a problem in my life. If what I say bothers you that much, you should ask yourself why - it's the element of truth that makes words hurt - bullshiat is easily laughed off.


If a mod gives someone TF can he also take it away? I certainly hope so as you really don't add anything to these conversations, you're just odd.
 
2013-03-20 12:03:22 AM

noitsnot: EvilRacistNaziFascist: noitsnot: Stop being goofy, troll. Blues, Jazz, and Rock all came from black people. Scottish Gaels - what the hell is that supposed to be? Next you'll be saying it was aliens.

Either you're pretending to be ignorant for the sake of sarcasm or you're a close contender for the most ignorant left-liberal on this thread (and God knows, it's already a crowded field). If you genuinely haven't heard of the Scottish Gaels then you have no business commenting on matters to do with the ethnic origin of popular music in the United States -- you can just go back to your Sociology 101 class and the all- purpose explanation for all evils that "it was the white man what done it".

[www.clashmusic.com image 280x303]

Yo, man - I'ma let you finish, but I created all music in all forms in all of history - except y'all country-ass banjo crap.  That's on you, whitey.


( IRONY: The banjo actually has an African origin... )
 
2013-03-20 12:04:10 AM

feckingmorons: BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.

No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.

No shiat!

Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?  I bet you think the rifle wouldn't shoot without it.


I really have no idea what you are on about. If you have a firearm and one round of ammunition you can fire the weapon.

What really are you talking about, it seems as if you're arguing with yourself and you needn't type all those out. Go into a small dark room and talk amongst yourself.


Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.
 
2013-03-20 12:05:02 AM

Fart_Machine: feckingmorons: Fart_Machine: feckingmorons: No, we all know that police departments don't have PIO's available when important news stories are breaking. Think of it as analagous to the anti-Muslim move and the murder of our ambassador and three others on September 11, 2012.

Yes, that's the perfect analogy.  This is the most important news story ever!  You're a loon.

I used an analogy, not a direct comparison. You're a simpleton.

See an analogy would be something comparable.  An international incident involving murder isn't the same as being bothered by CPS.  You farking dipshait.


No, you don't understand. I'll try to make it clearer. After the attack on the US compound the Obama administration made up a bullshiat story that any rational person saw right through. The apologists for his administration bought it hook line and sinker and tried to resell it to the normal people, but we weren't buying.

In the matter instant the police chief is stalling for time to get all his facts from the officers so the story he makes up is not as transparently nonsense.

I hope that helped.
 
2013-03-20 12:06:15 AM

BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.

No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.

No shiat!

Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?  I bet you think the rifle wouldn't shoot without it.


I really have no idea what you are on about. If you have a firearm and one round of ammunition you can fire the weapon.

What really are you talking about, it seems as if you're arguing with yourself and you needn't type all those out. Go into a small dark room and talk amongst yourself.

Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.


Neither a clip nor a magazine are required to fire a rifle. I'll ask one more time, what is your point?
 
2013-03-20 12:06:20 AM

HeadLever: jso2897: So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.

The NRA actually had a hand in sinking Nixon's proposal to ban these weapons.  Just so you know....

That being said, there was some concern about their saftey.


They supported the ban up until 1970, then reversed themselves. It was never about safety.
 
2013-03-20 12:08:06 AM

BGates: Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.


According to Webster Dictionary clip and magazine are synonymous.  Until you get them to change the definitions please stop.

/I don't agree with Webster since they are not the same in my opinion, but they have added an "also" to clip which is the same as the definition for magazine, and if we are to accept them as the final word on anything instead of just letting people decide any random string of letters means whatever they say it does, we have to hold somebody as the authority.
 
2013-03-20 12:10:46 AM
The Blaze could report the sun rises in the east and sets in the west and I'd be skeptical.
 
2013-03-20 12:11:17 AM

feckingmorons: No, you don't understand. I'll try to make it clearer. After the attack on the US compound the Obama administration made up a bullshiat story that any rational person saw right through. The apologists for his administration bought it hook line and sinker and tried to resell it to the normal people, but we weren't buying.

In the matter instant the police chief is stalling for time to get all his facts from the officers so the story he makes up is not as transparently nonsense.

I hope that helped.


Yes, you're a conspiracy loon.  Thanks for making it clear.
 
2013-03-20 12:11:44 AM

feckingmorons: BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: feckingmorons: BGates: A magazine is part of the firearm that allows the firearm to discharge.

No, that would be the firing pin. The magazine holds the bullets.

Have you ever actually seen or touched a gun? Go to a gun store they will explain it to you. You'll probably enjoy the sport if you just give it a try with an open mind. Leave wikipedia at home.

No shiat!

Can you now tell me why an ammo can full of belted ammo is considered a magazine?  I bet you think the rifle wouldn't shoot without it.


I really have no idea what you are on about. If you have a firearm and one round of ammunition you can fire the weapon.

What really are you talking about, it seems as if you're arguing with yourself and you needn't type all those out. Go into a small dark room and talk amongst yourself.

Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.

Neither a clip nor a magazine are required to fire a rifle. I'll ask one more time, what is your point?


And I'll say again.  NO SHIAT!  That isn't the discussion.  The discussion is the difference between a clip and a magazine.
 
2013-03-20 12:12:02 AM
EvilRacistNaziFascist (farkied: Screen name does not seem at all ironic): Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST,

No, it's not "WAAH WACIST."  It's not even implausible.  It just ain't *so* unless you can back it up.

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2013-03-20 12:12:51 AM

jso2897: HeadLever: jso2897: So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.

The NRA actually had a hand in sinking Nixon's proposal to ban these weapons.  Just so you know....

That being said, there was some concern about their saftey.

They supported the ban up until 1970, then reversed themselves. It was never about safety.


There is also the consideration that everyone is entitled to a firearm to protect themselves. The poor could not afford expensive handguns, but the less expensive revolvers were in the price range such that lower income folks, those often more susceptible to violent crime could protect themselves. The NRA was,and has always been, the champion of every law abiding citizen, white or black, rich or poor, having the right to own a firearm if they so choose.
 
2013-03-20 12:13:31 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Apparently, you either can't or don't read, either. I have already stated, at various points in this thread that I am not black,

So you're a cringing, self- hating white liberal sack of sh*t? Believe me, I'm sorry to hear it -- I'd much rather have believed that you were a proud black man, to hear the way you've slandered people of European origin as being ignorant, inbred, merely a "recessive mutation" doomed to extinction, etc. -- at least a black man would have been saying these things out of his own misguided pride, but for you to damn your ancestors and your descendants to annihilation, well -- you may hate yourself for your skin colour, you pathetic bastard, but most of the rest of us Whiteys don't feel the same way; and just to spite you we will continue to breed and frustrate whatever goddamn monoracial dystopia it is that you have in mind for the future. Now kindly kill yourself and stop polluting our gene pool.


No. Your pointless rage amuses me, and I would like to see more of it. The fact that you take yourself, and the imaginary construct you think is your "race" so seriously is hilarious, to me. You are the perfect model of the perpetual victim, and seem to view the whole world as some vast conspiracy aimed at you
My God,man, don't you have any real grasp of how microscopically unimportant you are? Or I am, for that matter? Or the imaginary "white race" that we don't belong to because it doesn't exist? How can you waste your time and mind believing in this crap?
 
2013-03-20 12:13:44 AM

manimal2878: BGates: Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.

According to Webster Dictionary clip and magazine are synonymous.  Until you get them to change the definitions please stop.

/I don't agree with Webster since they are not the same in my opinion, but they have added an "also" to clip which is the same as the definition for magazine, and if we are to accept them as the final word on anything instead of just letting people decide any random string of letters means whatever they say it does, we have to hold somebody as the authority.


I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.  You also don't have to read my comments.  Easy fix for you.
 
2013-03-20 12:15:14 AM

BGates: The discussion is the difference between a clip and a magazine.


No, the discussion is about police and social services staff improperly demanding access to a man's house to inspect his guns. The man refused their request to enter and they went away mad. The rights we hold under the Constitution against illegal search prevailed over some pushy woman from DFYS.


You've just attempted to derail the real discussion for your own bizarre purposes.
 
2013-03-20 12:15:56 AM

BGates: I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.


Too bad for you that everyone else in the world does.
 
2013-03-20 12:16:38 AM

feckingmorons: jso2897: HeadLever: jso2897: So, you ARE talking about the same NRA that wanted to ban "Saturday Night Specials" because they were commonly used by the "wrong sort of people", if you know what I mean.

The NRA actually had a hand in sinking Nixon's proposal to ban these weapons.  Just so you know....

That being said, there was some concern about their saftey.

They supported the ban up until 1970, then reversed themselves. It was never about safety.

There is also the consideration that everyone is entitled to a firearm to protect themselves. The poor could not afford expensive handguns, but the less expensive revolvers were in the price range such that lower income folks, those often more susceptible to violent crime could protect themselves. The NRA was,and has always been, the champion of every law abiding citizen, white or black, rich or poor, having the right to own a firearm if they so choose.


That's why I thought the NRA were hypocrites then, for supporting the ban, and why they are hypocrites now for not supporting the general right to keep and bear arms. They only support the right to keep and bear the sort of arms that nice, "respectable" (and we all know what that means) people keep and bear.
 
2013-03-20 12:16:38 AM

BGates: manimal2878: BGates: Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.

According to Webster Dictionary clip and magazine are synonymous.  Until you get them to change the definitions please stop.

/I don't agree with Webster since they are not the same in my opinion, but they have added an "also" to clip which is the same as the definition for magazine, and if we are to accept them as the final word on anything instead of just letting people decide any random string of letters means whatever they say it does, we have to hold somebody as the authority.

I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.  You also don't have to read my comments.  Easy fix for you.


I wouldn't hold a logically inconsistent farker with a limited grasp on the English language as an authority either.

Now, what qualifications do you have in etymology?
 
2013-03-20 12:18:59 AM

manimal2878: BGates: I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.

Too bad for you that everyone else in the world does.


Dictionaries tend to focus on traditional, common, and popular usage of words. They're not so good with technical terms and jargon.
 
2013-03-20 12:20:36 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: EvilRacistNaziFascist (farkied: Screen name does not seem at all ironic): Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST,

No, it's not "WAAH WACIST."  It's not even implausible.  It just ain't *so* unless you can back it up.


From http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam

"A BBC report discussed Pakistanis in the United Kingdom, 55% of whom marry a first cousin. Given the high rate of such marriages, many children come from repeat generations of first-cousin marriages. The report states that these children are 13 times more likely than the general population to produce children with genetic disorders, and one in ten children of first-cousin marriages in Birmingham either dies in infancy or develops a serious disability."

What, even more inbred than white British people?!? Surely not. Back to those banjo stereotypes...
 
2013-03-20 12:20:39 AM

lolpix: manimal2878: BGates: I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.

Too bad for you that everyone else in the world does.

Dictionaries tend to focus on traditional, common, and popular usage of words. They're not so good with technical terms and jargon.


So you're upset with dictionaries because they're conservative!?
 
2013-03-20 12:22:30 AM

feckingmorons: You might not like the NRA but they stand for the freedoms that made this country great


The NRA stands for putting Republicans in public office.  Republicans do not "stand for the freedoms that made this country great" or any other freedom except for the freedom of plutocrats to privatize profit and socialize risk.
 
2013-03-20 12:23:04 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lee Jackson Beauregard: EvilRacistNaziFascist (farkied: Screen name does not seem at all ironic): Incidentally, the most "inbred" people in the Western world at the moment are Muslim immigrants to the UK, who due to extensive cousin marriage are responsible for a vastly disproportionate share of birth defects in that country; but no doubt merely to mention that fact is WAAH WACIST,

No, it's not "WAAH WACIST."  It's not even implausible.  It just ain't *so* unless you can back it up.

From http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam

"A BBC report discussed Pakistanis in the United Kingdom, 55% of whom marry a first cousin. Given the high rate of such marriages, many children come from repeat generations of first-cousin marriages. The report states that these children are 13 times more likely than the general population to produce children with genetic disorders, and one in ten children of first-cousin marriages in Birmingham either dies in infancy or develops a serious disability."

What, even more inbred than white British people?!? Surely not. Back to those banjo stereotypes...


See? It's not HIS "race" that's inbred and inferior! It's that OTHER "race" that's inbred and inferior, you racist!
 
2013-03-20 12:23:10 AM

rohar: lolpix: manimal2878: BGates: I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.

Too bad for you that everyone else in the world does.

Dictionaries tend to focus on traditional, common, and popular usage of words. They're not so good with technical terms and jargon.

So you're upset with dictionaries because they're conservative!?


No. I'm not upset about anything at the moment. I'm simply pointing out the dictionary is not the final word among people who know what words mean.
 
2013-03-20 12:24:21 AM

rohar: BGates: manimal2878: BGates: Keep up then.  The discussion was about the difference between a clip and a magazine.  It's obvious you don't know the difference.

According to Webster Dictionary clip and magazine are synonymous.  Until you get them to change the definitions please stop.

/I don't agree with Webster since they are not the same in my opinion, but they have added an "also" to clip which is the same as the definition for magazine, and if we are to accept them as the final word on anything instead of just letting people decide any random string of letters means whatever they say it does, we have to hold somebody as the authority.

I wouldn't hold Websters as an authority on this subject.  You also don't have to read my comments.  Easy fix for you.

I wouldn't hold a logically inconsistent farker with a limited grasp on the English language as an authority either.

Now, what qualifications do you have in etymology?


Stop it, you two.

This is like arguing whether a tomato is a vegetable or fruit. The answer is "yes".

Botanically it's a fruit. It's a culinary vegetable.
 
2013-03-20 12:24:50 AM