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2013-03-19 09:07:53 PM
4 votes:
Sky Harbor TSA are the ones who tried to confiscate Marine WWII ace, Joe Foss' Medal of Honor. They thought it was some kind of fancy throwing star.

"I wasn't upset for me," he said. "I was upset for the Medal of Honor, that they just didn't know what it even was. It represents all of the guys who lost their lives - the guys who never came back. Everyone who put their lives on the line for their country. You're supposed to know what the Medal of Honor is."

Joe Foss may be the most famous person you never heard of:

He had 26 confirmed kills, most in the Pacific War.

He received the aforementioned Medal of Honor.

He achieved the rank of Brigadier General.

He was elected Governor of South Dakota.

He was the first Commissioner of the American Football League.

He was elected President of the National Rifle Association twice.

He hosted "The American Sportsman" and "The Outdoorsman" on national television, for 10 years.

He was also the brother of my first newspaper publisher (who was an amazing person himself).
2013-03-19 08:20:07 PM
4 votes:
I've said this before, and I will say it again:

Staff TSA with returning military personnel.  They follow rules to the letter, they know what real terrorists look like, and they carry a real authority people can respect compared to less-than-rent-a-cops that TSA is.

That said, being a better informed consumer when going through TSA checkpoints is your best bet to handle these goons.  KNOW your rights.  Exercise them.  And film, film, film.
2013-03-19 07:03:39 PM
4 votes:

From Philly to Boston: And nothing happens. We all cry and gnash our teeth and do nothing.


Eventually some republican lawmaker's kid will be affected then all hell will break loose.
2013-03-19 05:40:37 PM
4 votes:
And nothing happens. We all cry and gnash our teeth and do nothing.
2013-03-19 09:45:35 PM
3 votes:

IkonOlator: /Bash the TSA all you want
//The terrorists did not win by forcing travelers to deal with the TSA. The terrorists want to kill us, destroy property, and cause us, well, terror. They don't give a fark about causing us inconvenience at the airport.


Not to disagree with you, but the purpose of terrorism is rarely to kill and destroy. The purpose of terrorism is, as some experts have stated:

By distinguishing terrorists from other types of criminals and terrorism from other forms of crime, we come to appreciate that terrorism is :

political in aims and motives
violent - or, equally important, threatens violence
designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target
(Source: Wikipedia, citing Bruce Hoffman)

The important part of "terrorism" is not that the victims or target remain in a state of "terror"--which is hard to maintain, after all--but that they alter their habits or politics after the initial act of terrorism. Saying "The terrorists have won" doesn't mean we remain in a state of terror but that we have altered our patterns of behavior to accommodate what the terrorists did EVEN AFTER the terroristic act has passed.

So al-Qaeda, by killing just over 3000 people, altered the behavior of over 300 million Americans without ever harming another American on US soil. They didn't have to kill us or destroy any more property to "terrorize" us, but the did have far-reaching psychological repercussions, don't you think? I'd say they pretty well achieved their goals on that day, and never had to spend another moment in America again. Of course, they lost in the long run; but that was a strategic failure, not a tactical one. But tactically, terrorism is seldom about killing large numbers of people; it's about forcing your target to do what you want him to do so you can exploit the change in behavior (or not).
2013-03-19 08:04:30 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: nothing will change.


Well, when I was a kid, we had a department of homeland security.
I was called the Marines.

Things change.

FARK THE TSA, and homeland security.
And the patriot act.
/would you like to know more?
2013-03-19 05:50:44 PM
3 votes:
nothing will change.
m00
2013-03-19 09:10:04 PM
2 votes:
www.smbc-comics.com
2013-03-19 08:22:06 PM
2 votes:
If we put a potential gun purchaser (protected by the 2nd) through what the TSA does (violation of 4th), you would need an anal inspection to get a gun
2013-03-19 08:16:51 PM
2 votes:
It just reminds me of the disabled boy who they made CRAWL through the scanner, without the use of his braces, and without his mother helping. The kid was like 6. It's despicable and if I was that kid's parent, I would have been so farking pissed.

They need to actually stick to their written guidelines, as stated in the article.
2013-03-19 08:10:33 PM
2 votes:
Yes, soldiers are people too. But is it too much to ask to have a little sense used in the airport screening system? They said that they had to confiscate my Zippo. I asked why. They couldn't give a reason why. I asked them if they were afraid that I might catch the goddamn plane on fire with a cigarette lighter, and they sent me to secondary screening.  So, then it was a choice between making more of a fuss over them stealing my Zippo, and missing the plane, or letting them steal the lighter and carry on.
To my embarrassment, I put my shoes back on, did up my belt, and sheepishly made my way on board. So, yes, soldiers are people too. And I was a soldier. But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.
2013-03-19 08:05:42 PM
2 votes:
I hate when laws are applied evenly.
2013-03-19 06:10:07 PM
2 votes:
Elzar:// A Romney administration would have disbanded it by now

lol
2013-03-19 05:36:41 PM
2 votes:
I hate going through the airport. Since I wear a prosthetic, I have to be personally screened. While they try to decide how to inspect my leg, all my shiat is open at the end of the conveyor belt just waiting to be stolen.
2013-03-20 07:54:12 AM
1 votes:
TSA has less in the way of background checks for its "agents" than does the HEB supermarket chain in Texas for grocery stockers.
2013-03-19 11:34:25 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Bwahaha: But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.

They won.
Osama won.


I think it would be more accurate to say that everybody lost. Osama's real goals are just as far from being accomplished as ever, and his particular brand of Islamism has little appeal these days in most of the Muslim world.
2013-03-19 10:31:10 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Really, it's horrible, but the simple fact is, somebody can think of a reason why we have to have the TSA do this, and things will proceed as they have been since 9/11. The sentence will start like this: "It is terrible that an active-duty soldier could be treated like this...BUT..." and anything said after the word "but" will be reason enough to maintain the status quo, even if it's "He might pull out his robe and wizard hat from his hollow wooden legs and transform the airplane into a dragon."


Or "It is terrible than an active duty soldier could be treated like this... BUT Do you have ANY idea how much money the Fear Industry (tm) generates for my campaign coffers?"
m00
2013-03-19 09:53:28 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The important part of "terrorism" is not that the victims or target remain in a state of "terror"--which is hard to maintain, after all--but that they alter their habits or politics after the initial act of terrorism. Saying "The terrorists have won" doesn't mean we remain in a state of terror but that we have altered our patterns of behavior to accommodate what the terrorists did EVEN AFTER the terroristic act has passed.

So al-Qaeda, by killing just over 3000 people, altered the behavior of over 300 million Americans without ever harming another American on US soil. They didn't have to kill us or destroy any more property to "terrorize" us, but the did have far-reaching psychological repercussions, don't you think? I'd say they pretty well achieved their goals on that day, and never had to spend another moment in America again. Of course, they lost in the long run; but that was a strategic failure, not a tactical one. But tactically, terrorism is seldom about killing large numbers of people; it's about forcing your target to do what you want him to do so you can exploit the change in behavior (or not).


Yeah.. I'm just waiting for the "vagina bomber" TSA will have a field day.
2013-03-19 09:09:14 PM
1 votes:
Except that the TSA says that it will not make travelers review prostheses:

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/passengers-prosthetics

Passengers with prostheses can be screened without removing them. The way screening will be conducted depends on the passenger's level of ability and whether or not he or she voluntarily chooses to remove his or her prosthetic during screening.

The passenger should inform the Transportation Security Officer (TSO) of the existence of a prosthetic, his or her ability, and of any need for assistance before screening begins. Passengers can use TSA's Notification Card to communicate discreetly with security officers. However, showing this card or other medical documentation will not exempt a passenger from additional screening when necessary.
Passengers with prostheses can be screened using imaging technology, metal detector, or a thorough patdown.
Regardless of whether a passenger is screened by a metal detector, imaging technology, or a thorough patdown, a prosthetic is subject to additional screening. An officer will need to see the prosthetic, which may require the lifting of clothing without exposing any sensitive areas or removing a belt that holds the prosthetic to the passenger's body. TSA also will use technology to test the prosthetic for traces of explosive material. If explosive material is detected, the passenger will have to undergo additional screening. If a passenger voluntarily removes his or her prosthetic during screening, it will be screened by X-ray.
Cast and Prosthesis imaging technology is used in some airports. Where available, this technology will also be used to inspect a prosthesis.
Passengers can request an alternate but equivalent level of screening in lieu of screening by Cast and Prosthesis imaging.

/Bash the TSA all you want
//The terrorists did not win by forcing travelers to deal with the TSA.  The terrorists want to kill us, destroy property, and cause us, well, terror.  They don't give a fark about causing us inconvenience at the airport.
2013-03-19 08:59:35 PM
1 votes:

Gergesa: I think it has been reported that the TSA is a dead end job filled with bottom of the barrel types.  I can't say I am too surprised by anything I have read in this thread.


They were recruiting off pizza boxes

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2013-03-19 08:49:44 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Gyrfalcon: Really, it's horrible, but the simple fact is, somebody can think of a reason why we have to have the TSA do this, and things will proceed as they have been since 9/11. The sentence will start like this: "It is terrible that an active-duty soldier could be treated like this...BUT..." and anything said after the word "but" will be reason enough to maintain the status quo, even if it's "He might pull out his robe and wizard hat from his hollow wooden legs and transform the airplane into a dragon."

We have the TSA because of civil liabilities for the airlines. The federal government bailed the airlines out after 9-11. Too bad the airlines didn't install hardened cockpits before the attacks.

The airlines got bailed out, the civil liabilities for future attacks are covered by the federal government now. Everybody wins. Except for disable Marines and millions of other travelers.

/A ticket agent almost stopped two of the hijackers for irregularities on their paperwork. Didn't want to get sued. /That's why have the TSA now.


[shrug] The airlines didn't install hardened cockpits before 9/11 because they had no reason to. The mindset hadn't progressed past the hijackings of the 70's and 80's. As to your ticket agent who didn't want to get sued, that's irrelevant to why the TSA exists. TSA does not exist to prevent lawsuits. The TSA is a federal agency, and they could do their job 110% and the plane could get hijacked anyway and you could still sue Southwest if you wanted to for whatever reason your attorney could think of.

TSA is there because people are afraid and think that somehow taking of our shoes and belts at a "security gate" will prevent a terrorist from taking down a plane. Nobody wants to realize that the only thing that needed to change was the mindset of how and why planes were being hijacked. After 9/11 people were demanding the government keep knives off the planes in the same way and for the same reason people are demanding we keep gunz out of schools today. The government could have calmed everyone down, but chose not to. So we have the TSA today. The airlines did the sensible thing which was lock the cockpit doors. But it has very little do with fears of lawsuits.
2013-03-19 08:45:32 PM
1 votes:

MattyFridays: I've said this before, and I will say it again:

Staff TSA with returning military personnel.  They follow rules to the letter, they know what real terrorists look like, and they carry a real authority people can respect compared to less-than-rent-a-cops that TSA is.

That said, being a better informed consumer when going through TSA checkpoints is your best bet to handle these goons.  KNOW your rights.  Exercise them.  And film, film, film.


This!!!! Such a good idea. Its hard for a lot of them to find div jobs.
2013-03-19 08:41:30 PM
1 votes:
I think it has been reported that the TSA is a dead end job filled with bottom of the barrel types.  I can't say I am too surprised by anything I have read in this thread.
2013-03-19 08:32:06 PM
1 votes:

Bwahaha: Yes, soldiers are people too. But is it too much to ask to have a little sense used in the airport screening system? They said that they had to confiscate my Zippo. I asked why. They couldn't give a reason why. I asked them if they were afraid that I might catch the goddamn plane on fire with a cigarette lighter, and they sent me to secondary screening.  So, then it was a choice between making more of a fuss over them stealing my Zippo, and missing the plane, or letting them steal the lighter and carry on.
To my embarrassment, I put my shoes back on, did up my belt, and sheepishly made my way on board. So, yes, soldiers are people too. And I was a soldier. But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.


You too huh?
Flying back on a chartered flight from a year in Djibouti.  I had gotten a zippo done up at a jeweler's in Bahrain with 'fark TERRORISM" engraved on one side (a nod to John Wayne's 'fark communism' zippos he handed out to troops in Vietnam) and a eagle, globe, and anchor made from two hundred dollars of white old bolted on the other.

The first security guy wanted me to hand over the lighter.  I managed to convince him to just take the guys - the gauze stuff, the striker, etc - but let me keep the casing.  The guy in Virginia where I switched over to commericial wanted to take even that.  Apparently, a two inch hinged box made of stainless steel and gold was a deadly weapon.  Having paid so much for it, I did not bend and let the guy steal it from me.  That farker was going home if I had to store it in the rear hold along with Bruce Willis's father's watch.
2013-03-19 08:31:39 PM
1 votes:
Stopped reading at "Arizona"

www.sixtharmygroup.com
2013-03-19 08:25:16 PM
1 votes:
The silver lining here?  It's a lot easier to fit your boot up someone's ass when you use your arms for the extra 3 feet or so of reach.
2013-03-19 08:23:37 PM
1 votes:

MattyFridays: I've said this before, and I will say it again:

Staff TSA with returning military personnel.  They follow rules to the letter, they know what real terrorists look like, and they carry a real authority people can respect compared to less-than-rent-a-cops that TSA is.

That said, being a better informed consumer when going through TSA checkpoints is your best bet to handle these goons.  KNOW your rights.  Exercise them.  And film, film, film.


The TSA has something like 25% veterans now.  Unfortunately, most of the guys I know who went TSA were the assholes that no one liked, and we all thought were raging douchebags anyway,.
2013-03-19 08:21:32 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Really, it's horrible, but the simple fact is, somebody can think of a reason why we have to have the TSA do this, and things will proceed as they have been since 9/11. The sentence will start like this: "It is terrible that an active-duty soldier could be treated like this...BUT..." and anything said after the word "but" will be reason enough to maintain the status quo, even if it's "He might pull out his robe and wizard hat from his hollow wooden legs and transform the airplane into a dragon."


We have the TSA because of civil liabilities for the airlines. The federal government bailed the airlines out after 9-11. Too bad the airlines didn't install hardened cockpits before the attacks.

The airlines got bailed out, the civil liabilities for future attacks are covered by the federal government now. Everybody wins. Except for disable Marines and millions of other travelers.

/A ticket agent almost stopped two of the hijackers for irregularities on their paperwork. Didn't want to get sued. /That's why have the TSA now.
2013-03-19 08:20:15 PM
1 votes:

Bwahaha: But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.


They won.
Osama won.
2013-03-19 08:19:08 PM
1 votes:
Well, we all know the TSA knows more about fighting terrorism than some Marine, right?
2013-03-19 08:18:55 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: JRoo: Oh god, I'm going to hell.

That headline made me laugh so hard.

...please tell me you posted that in the wrong thread. There's absolutely nothing funny about this.


Nope, its just the thing about ANYONE having to take their freaking legs off at an airport.

It's just so damn farked up it jumped right off the rails of sad into so unbelievably sad and messed up at the same time that I'm still giggling at it.

You couldn't write something that funny.
2013-03-19 08:14:38 PM
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: cman: Soldiers are people, too.

They have the same amount of risk as the mean folk when it comes to violence.

DTA: Dont Trust Anyone

Must be tough to choose between a do nothing government agency whose sole reason for existence is to give illusion of safety and a wounded veteran. Typical lib.


Well at least you didnt call me a Republican, unlike the "typical libs" do.

/There are more than 2 parties and 2 ideologies, folks
2013-03-19 08:12:44 PM
1 votes:
Didn't some active duty soldier try to take some military explosives on a plane somewhere in Texas last year?   Wasn't Nidal Hasan an active duty soldier when he opened fire @ Ft. Hood?   Not that I don't think the TSA is dispicable,  just thought I'd kick the hornets nest.
2013-03-19 08:11:44 PM
1 votes:

awalkingecho: It's reasonable; if he's bitter about losing his legs, he could conceivably try and strike a revenge blow against the nation that made him sacrifice them.


Totally! I mean the TSA is shiat and all, but given what they're tasked to do, I don't see why this is unreasonable.

Elzar: A Romney administration would have disbanded it by now


lol. You're farkin high.
2013-03-19 08:10:59 PM
1 votes:
At least he has the satisfaction of having helped create a free and prosperous and Iraq. Our best ally in the region.

Happy 10th Iraqi Freedom Day everyone!!
2013-03-19 08:10:52 PM
1 votes:

awalkingecho: It's reasonable; if he's bitter about losing his legs, he could conceivably try and strike a revenge blow against the nation that made him sacrifice them.



encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Now you just have to fark your half sister and the anti-Christ will be born.

/JK, you have a point.
//A sad, sick point.
2013-03-19 08:09:09 PM
1 votes:
"There's not much to say. Right now it's a letter from a congressman," TSA spokesman Nico Melendez said, unable to confirm what happened.  "We've not seen the letter."

I hope, when several Marines manage to get in a room alone with Mr. Melendez, that they are gentle, firm and penetrating.
2013-03-19 08:08:34 PM
1 votes:
Remember Ft Hood? If somebody had been a little less sensitive about that guys status as part of The Warrior Caste, it might not have happened.
2013-03-19 08:05:43 PM
1 votes:

Ambivalence: From Philly to Boston: And nothing happens. We all cry and gnash our teeth and do nothing.

Eventually some republican lawmaker's kid will be affected then all hell will break loose.


0/10. Everyone knows republican lawmakers fly on private jets.
2013-03-19 07:17:02 PM
1 votes:
Soldiers are people, too.

They have the same amount of risk as the mean folk when it comes to violence.

DTA: Dont Trust Anyone
2013-03-19 06:29:04 PM
1 votes:
I must add, I've flown in and out of PHX a few times and the Mos Eisley cantina has a less seedier clientele.
 
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