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(HyperVocal)   There's showing no remorse, then there's showing up to court with a "KILLER" T-shirt and flipping off victims' families   (hypervocal.com) divider line 90
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2013-03-19 05:39:55 PM  
16 votes:
The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.
2013-03-19 05:50:56 PM  
8 votes:
Why didn't CNN talk about how his promising life is now ruined because of this conviction?
2013-03-19 05:58:48 PM  
5 votes:
If I was the father of one of the kids he killed, I'd put their entire college fund into care packages for the rest of the prison population with notes explaining the situ and if they wouldnt mind doing me a solid. Enjoy the cigs boys!
2013-03-19 05:49:54 PM  
5 votes:
I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."
2013-03-19 05:10:16 PM  
5 votes:
At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.
2013-03-19 05:05:06 PM  
5 votes:

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."


You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.
2013-03-19 04:42:15 PM  
5 votes:
That boy ain't right.
2013-03-19 06:20:26 PM  
4 votes:

JonnyG: Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate.


No.  Prisons are supposed to remove criminals from the rest of the population so that they can't commit crimes against them.

The suggestion that a prison sentence of life without parole is supposed to 'reform and rehabilitate' is nonsensical.
2013-03-19 05:24:01 PM  
4 votes:
I don't agree with the death penalty because I don't trust our justice system, but sometimes I wonder if there shouldn't be exceptions.
2013-03-19 04:56:12 PM  
4 votes:
of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."
2013-03-19 04:39:10 PM  
4 votes:
Some people just don't deserve to be alive...him for example.
Have fun in jail honey. Your a-hole is gonna look like the Holland Tunnel....if you live that long.
2013-03-19 05:51:19 PM  
3 votes:
Normally, I'd wish a painful death on a person like this. But this kid is SO young. He could easily live for 60 years in prison. Can you even fathom that amount of time? He has to spend the rest of his long life thinking every single day about what he could be doing if he wasn't in that cage. The accomplishments that he could have achieved, the women he could have been with, the family he could have raised. Things that he could have had, but will never have. He will spend a literal lifetime in tedious routine and shiatty food for year... after year.... After year. He'll never drive a car, drink a beer, smoke pot around a campfire with friends, lay on a beach, or touch a woman, ever again.


And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.


That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.
2013-03-19 05:42:00 PM  
3 votes:
Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?
2013-03-19 09:04:07 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


That's fine.  You're welcome to be as pro-death penalty as you like.  Just don't use "saving money" as a justification for your position.  Talk about justice, or deterrence, or something.  There are plenty of better arguments.
2013-03-19 07:07:04 PM  
2 votes:
 If someone murders me because they're sick, I seriously would hope they'd get whatever help was needed whether medication or removal from society. I wouldn't want them 'punished' because they couldn't help being sick. Someone kills me for money, revenge, jollies or the like...yeah, have at 'em. It's possible to be sick AND still make choices. Dahmer was someone who was sick, but he still was capable of making choices. Andrea Yates was someone who was sick, and IMHO wasn't responsible for her actions when she killed her kids. She was in a psychotic break, and her failure to get treatment previously wasn't really on her but rather others around her.

Big difference. This kid? Dunno. But I feel really shiatty for the loved ones sitting through that shiat.

Mental health sucks in prisons (and in the US in general) anyway. Even if this kid was a full blown schizophrenic in a full blown break, odds are good he wouldn't get the treatment he needed in prison anyway. Most are made worse by the conditions and lack of consistent supervised medical care.

And even if you've no sympathy for them (and some don't have any sympathy for them), fixing that problem would make us all safer. It's really in society's best interest to have free mental health programs and medications. Hell, it's in our best interest financially if we offered free health care. Fixing hypertension at 20 is a fark of a lot cheaper than the medical bills later in life, and survivor benefits to their offspring.

But...that's going a little off the track here. But still!
2013-03-19 06:40:53 PM  
2 votes:

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


I was OK with the death penalty until DNA testing came along.  Then I learned more about wrongful convictions.  Then I changed my mind.

Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule.  It is not a matter of expedience or economy.
2013-03-19 06:40:00 PM  
2 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


Farking allah you're an azzhole. You just can't let an opportunity pass to express your dislike of people who disagree with you politically.

And YET it's the Republicans who are deemed 'intolerant'. Farking mohammed you're a POS.
2013-03-19 06:23:39 PM  
2 votes:

way south: Not many would see the point in spending money on garbage like this.
That monster needs to be sodomized with something sharp and unpleasant.


Ah, another member of the braying mob of bloodthirsty sociopaths outs themselves.
2013-03-19 06:17:52 PM  
2 votes:

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.
2013-03-19 06:05:27 PM  
2 votes:

stir22: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.

this.  an overt sociopath.  pretty rare, actually.


More like a wanna-be sociopath. A real sociopath would be in tears, playing the little boy angle, convincingly showing remorse and empathy he didn't feel at all, in order to try and worm his way out of getting the full punishment he richly deserves.

This kid's actions just about scream "I AM TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO CONVINCE YOU WHAT A BADASS I AM".
2013-03-19 06:02:26 PM  
2 votes:

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


So you are volunteering to take on rehabilitating him?

Not everything or everyone is fixable.  It's broken forever and leaving it around just allows it to poison others.
2013-03-19 06:01:41 PM  
2 votes:

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


I'm all for rehabilitation, I think it would be great on most inmates, but do you honestly believe rehabilitation would work on this guy?
2013-03-19 06:00:04 PM  
2 votes:

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


As some fool in another thread told me today, "It is not the responsibility or right of the government to make you a better person."
2013-03-19 05:54:34 PM  
2 votes:

LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.


Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.
2013-03-19 05:53:54 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


One again though I'm wondering how much money having the death penalty saves from people taking plea deals to life in prison in order to avoid it?  Anyone know of a study on this subject?  Personally I think the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty and remains a threat.  mass shootings, serial killers, this guy, etc.

I'm also wondering how his attorney allowed him into court with that shirt anyway.
2013-03-19 05:51:09 PM  
2 votes:
His parents must be very proud.
2013-03-19 05:50:01 PM  
2 votes:
For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.
2013-03-19 05:45:37 PM  
2 votes:

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.
2013-03-19 05:42:45 PM  
2 votes:

txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?


Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.
2013-03-19 05:39:23 PM  
2 votes:
"Hey guys, look at the new cutie in general."
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2013-03-19 05:16:04 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.
2013-03-19 05:16:00 PM  
2 votes:
I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.
2013-03-19 05:07:40 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.


expensive, but worth it.
2013-03-19 05:05:04 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure the guards won't have too much difficulty looking the other way should he find himself in an unpleasant situation in the shower room.
2013-03-20 09:23:56 AM  
1 votes:
Why did the judge allow this performance? People have been frog-marched back to their cells for far, far less.
2013-03-20 12:25:10 AM  
1 votes:
Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

LaraAmber: Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Reverend J: Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


The problem with rehabilitation is that there's no reliable way to tell that an offender is rehabilitated. No chicken-breast timer pops out and says, "He's rehabilitated!" The offender is an intelligent individual with every incentive to pretend to be rehabilitated.

For example, take the case of Lawrence Singleton, the fellow who in 1978, picked up a 15-year-old girl hitchhiking, raped her, bludgeoned her, chopped her arms off and left her to die. Incredibly, she didn't die and was able to identify him. Per the rehabilitative, Norwegian model which was big in the 70s, he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

It was a rehabilitative sentence, when the mindset of the country's lawmakers was to try and rehabilitate prisoners. Unfortunately, Mr. Singleton, in spite of his relatively short (or too long, depending on your perspective) sentence, re-offended, as violent predators are wont to do. This time, in 1997, he murdered another woman (a mother of three, working as a prostitute). In the late 90s, the country's understanding of criminals and crime had shifted to a retributive stance, with a focus on deterrence and preventing recidivism, and which, as expected, coincided with a significant drop in the murder rate. As a result, Singleton was sentenced to death. He died in prison prior to his execution, and was unable to harm anyone else.

So the problem with rehabilitative sentences is three-fold:

1) There is no reliable way to determine if the prisoner is rehabilitated.
2) If rehabilitation fails, the offender can and all too often does, re-offend.
3) For certain grisly crimes, in my opinion, there should be no second chance. Both from a justice perspective, a central issue that is usually lost in these debates, and because the cost of failure is too high.
2013-03-19 10:11:57 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: There are reports he suffers from hallucinations and other issues, which would indicate schizophrenia, if that's the case, finding him fit for trial is a bit of an issue itself.


A person can be "crazy as a shiat-house rat", suffering from paranoia, psychosis and schizophrenia and still be legally sane. All the law cares is that at the time of the action was the person able to distinguish right from wrong. I don't think there is any question that in this case, he was sane. Not to say he does not have mental issues.
2013-03-19 10:09:06 PM  
1 votes:

Talos: Those figures are not accurate.  They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury.  In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.



Wow, that's a pretty big whopper.  Here's Wikiepedia for the quick-and-easy rebuttal: "Between 1973 and 2005, 123 people in 25 states were released from death row when new evidence of their innocence emerged..."

Seriously, it's like you're not even trying.  If you're just going to make up crap, try to make it a little bit plausible at least.
2013-03-19 10:00:21 PM  
1 votes:

seadoo2006: Slaxl: seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.

I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.

We'll never know is true reasons, but from what I hear in the community (CHS is about 3 miles from where I live), the kids that got killed were loved by just about everyone, and just about everyone hated this kid.

He snapped, took out a few people he targeted and a bullet hit my coworkers nephew in the ear.

Until you're one of the kids that is near universally hated, I don't think many people can understand.  FWIW, I switched schools twice because the bullying was horrible.  Do I look back and see that I was most just an annoying know-it-all in elementary school? Sure, but when you get a ream of paper put in your desk with anonymously computer printed "We hate First_Name Last_Name", well, that's gonna screw some people up good for life.

I had therapy, and for the most part it worked and I never had murderous thoughts, ...


TLDR warning.

Well, I DID have murderous thoughts.  After being bullied constantly and having people trying to pick fights with me for years, one kid pushed me a little too far in 10th grade band and almost got his neck snapped for his trouble.  He almost did me the same favor a few years prior, so I felt justified at the time.  This time he attacked me and then rushed at me.  I was so fed up that my entire moral system just shut down, and in a rather cold and calculating manner I grabbed his head and attempted to break his neck.  Thankfully the other students in class figured this out and immediately grabbed me and separated us two.

No one told the teacher the extent of what occurred, just that there had been a fight, but word got around the school that I was a psychopath (sociopath was the better term, as I hated people except for a very few close friends) and thereafter nobody messed with me, except for one person who I basically told if he wanted to fight I was fine with it but that one of us wouldn't be walking away alive from it.  He declined to test me on that because of what happened prior.  In other words, I got exactly what I wanted - to be left alone.

Oddly enough I was an honor's student who was loved by all the teachers, who I actually got along quite well with (except one but that's a story for another day).  I just wanted the bullying to stop, and I didn't care how it stopped.  I didn't spend time plotting the killing of innocent students who had nothing to do with my pain and suffering.  I merely sent a message in what really was the last resort I had to do so.  This was a few years before Columbine, and when that occurred, I said to myself, "Those guys are idiots, taking out their anger on innocent students, but I understand their urge to kill, though I could never approve of it."

When you get to a certain level of mental and emotional torture, you just want to hit the "off" switch.  The difference in how that's accomplished depends on the personality of the person involved. Withdrawn and depressed kids usually just kill themselves.  Kids who feel a need for vengeance against certain individuals and are proactive will plan and actively seek to cause great harm or death to those who caused their pain.  Those who feel that the entire school and/or society as a whole is to blame just start randomly killing everyone they see.  People like me, who blame certain people and are reactionary rather than proactive wait for the final straw and then do something drastic to send a message.  Then you get truly sick people who think of it as a game, but that has very little to do with bullying and more to do with Charles Manson type sociopathy, i.e. people who are mentally ill beyond any possibility of help.

This kid is probably more of the kind that thinks society or the school is to blame, and chances are he was fully intending to kill himself when he was done, but got thwarted before he could do so or chickened out at the last minute.  Now he's trying to cause everyone as much pain as possible for all that he perceives everyone did to him.  Ultimately, he will probably hang himself in prison, if he's able to do so without getting caught, as a final act of defiance and a means to end his own pain.  Make everyone suffer as much as possible and then go out in a final defiant act.  If he lives more than a few years and receives psychiatric treatment, he'll probably change his mind and feel extreme remorse for what he did, but something tells me this guy won't make it that long.

As for me, for anyone who actually cares, it's amazing what a few years of therapy and not being bullied every single day will do for one's self-esteem.  I actually was quite social in college, though I hung out more with the geek/nerd crowd.  In law school I developed kind of a reputation as annoying because I actually looked forward to being called on in class and volunteered to answer questions frequently, but I didn't really much care about what people thought then, because I was the one graduating cum laude with a good future ahead of me.  I had several friends who I still get along with quite well when we're not on opposing sides in a case.  My views in life were also completely changed.  I took on a pacifist view of life and no longer believe that taking a human life is ever truly justified.  I'm the polar opposite of the person I was back then.  In other words, I'm living proof that people can change from a destructive and violent pattern of living into a constructive, caring and helpful one.
2013-03-19 09:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


As food for thought, it's pretty dumb, honestly.

Entire books have been written on the death penalty.  I've read some of them.  No, that doesn't make me an expert, but it's enough to tell me that you haven't figured out a brilliant solution nobody's thought of yet.

Seriously, if all you care about is being efficient or saving money, then just abandon capital punishment altogether.  But your "I'm so sick of hearing" opening is a dead giveaway that you don't really give a damn about saving money --- that's a smokescreen to hide your real motive, which is something like justice or revenge.  Which is fine ... I don't mock that as a motive for capital punishment.  Just be HONEST about the fact that it isn't about money.

Honesty.  That's all I ask.
2013-03-19 08:59:44 PM  
1 votes:

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."



A lifetime in prison is actually cheaper than execution, once you factor in the cost of appeals and such.  If your primary concern is saving money, then logically you should oppose capital punishment.

Personally, the main reason I'm opposed to capital punishment is that you can't do anything to correct a wrongful conviction if evidence proving innocence turns up later.  Not that I'm saying it would in this particular case; I'm speaking about capital punishment in general.
2013-03-19 08:54:46 PM  
1 votes:

TwistedFark: remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.

I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

If we could set some bar of proof high enough where it was infalliable, I think I could get on board easily with the death penalty for murderers. In fact, I'm certain I could. I just don't know how to do it and do it in a way where it can't be abused by people.

I just keep going back to the old phrase, "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely." What else, if not absolute power, is the state having control over if you live or die?


Like I said, overwhelming certainty.  If there is a room full of witnesses, or crystal clear video, or they guy is admitting it and proud of it as he stands there with the murder weapon in his hands and blood all over.  That type of certainty.  Then it removes the possibility of punishing an innocent.  I know what you're saying, but there are cases where nobody can say the person even might be innocent.  Taking the death penalty completely off the table gives no room for these types of cases.  At the end of the day, a jury of 12 citizens has to agree, so the State simply can't just execute somebody because they feel like it.
2013-03-19 08:53:41 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


As a criminal defense attorney that has worked on 24 murder cases, including a capital case, I can say is I have been there, and it isn't fun.

Often times in cases that carry major sentences the defendant ignores their attorney's advise and sabotages their case at every turn.  They realize they are most likely going to spend the majority, if not the entirety, of their life in prison and they are very angry (at everyone but themselves) and take it out in the worst possible way.
2013-03-19 08:23:27 PM  
1 votes:
You know, after that comment to the families they should just remove his penis.
2013-03-19 08:10:54 PM  
1 votes:

Quaker: Great Janitor: To me, life in prison without the chance at parole is the worst punishment possible, even worse than death.  If you're sentenced to life in prison, but have the chance at parole, at least you have something to look forward to.  Something that you can work towards.  There is hope that you can be free.  With the death penalty, there is a date that it will end.

When it's life without parole, that means that for decades you are going to be in prison, that there is no escape, no release, no hope.  No hope of release or parole, nothing to work towards.  When you're still a teenager, three life sentences and no chance at parole means that four-fifths of your life (assuming a 100 year life) will be in prison.  It's a life where there is nothing to really work towards, no goals, no dreams and zero hope.  Worse yet, this kid will probably never have a visitor or letter from the outside world, unless his parents still give a damn about him, and honestly, they could disown him at this point and no one would blame them.

My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.

From a logical perspective I would agree. However, I think the survival instinct would be too strong to ignore for most people (myself included) when the time to make that decision actually came, which is why there have been lots of people who have pleaded guilty and accepted life without parole in order to avoid the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty for several reasons, but I would be OK with offering a humane execution as a voluntary option for prisoners who are sentenced to life, assuming there would be mental health professionals involved to make sure they're not making that decision because of a treatable psychological problem. But if they're of sound mind then they should be able to choose death.


Why the fark should prisoners be allowed to choose death when no one else is allowed to? People be suffering from some heinous diseases out there, have no quality of life and no hope of any and yet they are forced to remain alive against their will. You gonna give these real people the same right, or just the biatches who farking killed someone?
2013-03-19 07:40:34 PM  
1 votes:
It was that horrible "Swing" dance that's to blame, isn't it?  That godless jive, brought over by those colored fellas.

We need to ban that dance, before our sweet God-fearing sons & daughters are seduced and turned.
2013-03-19 07:37:00 PM  
1 votes:

Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.


*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.
2013-03-19 07:32:37 PM  
1 votes:

TrixieDelite: I don't think it's okay for people to be raped/killed in prison. I think it's okay for this person to be raped/killed in prison.



Bingo.

It's not like this guy was merely arrested for having a bag of weed in his car.
2013-03-19 07:19:08 PM  
1 votes:

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?
2013-03-19 07:18:13 PM  
1 votes:

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?
2013-03-19 07:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


While you are most probably trollin, i'll bite anyway. I don't think most people should be raped and killed in prison. Just this guy.
2013-03-19 07:13:52 PM  
1 votes:

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


Actually, I send that letter or a variation thereof to about once a month to my shiat ass little brother who's sitting in jail for murder.
2013-03-19 07:02:47 PM  
1 votes:
"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

Ya know, if you're going to go all "LOOK AT ME!!!! I'M AN INSANE M-F'ER!!" you better go all the way and not pussy out at the sentencing and cry like a biatch.
Good on you, son.
I give it month before the poop just falls out.
2013-03-19 07:01:34 PM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


That's what many seem to gladly overlook in this thread. The lad should be in a mental institution. He should have been in a mental institution years ago.
2013-03-19 06:53:49 PM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: duffblue: douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.

Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.

Really? This guy kills three innocent people and is left alive? That's not justice being served.

You don't believe in justice for the victims either.


Murder victims are unconcerned with justice.  If there's no afterlife, they have no concerns.  If there is, they have more important concerns.

The appropriate punishment in this case depends on  whether you'd rather be dead of locked up for the rest of your life.  That's a matter of opinion.
2013-03-19 06:51:28 PM  
1 votes:

Pork1: His parents must be very proud.


Some people are just born bad. They have mental problems, demons, whatever. I'm sure the parents are heartbroken that a child they loved ruined his life and the lives of others. I've seen parents do everything right but have children who made horrible life decisions that went against everything they were taught. No one wins in this situation. The murderers family lost a child too.
2013-03-19 06:45:50 PM  
1 votes:

jeffdo1: scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.

The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


Getting him the help he needed? What kind of "help" would've helped Jeffrey F**king Dahmer?
2013-03-19 06:42:45 PM  
1 votes:

jeffdo1: The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


To be fair, even if you could get Dahmer or Lane's head screwed on mostly straight, I'm still hesitant as fark to ever release them into the public.

That said, your premise is right and this thread is proof of it. More justice is needed, and less revenge fantasies for ITGs.
2013-03-19 06:42:22 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowWolf: I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..


and if he isn't, he will be when the cameras are put away, the court room clears, the lights are turned off & everyone goes home but him.


/and a long long long long time to remind himself how awesome he is.
2013-03-19 06:42:07 PM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?

Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.


If "society" created this kid, why aren't more of us that sociopathic?
2013-03-19 06:40:32 PM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.


Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.
2013-03-19 06:37:41 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Sensory deprivation with an unlimited supply of junk food sounds like a start.


Cruel and unusual nourishment?

Death by chocolate?
2013-03-19 06:33:49 PM  
1 votes:

Slaxl: It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime.


I would disagree simply because this kid who committed the crime is a bad person by his own admission, whereas the people who really want to see him suffer in horrible inhuman ways actually think that they're good people.
2013-03-19 06:28:53 PM  
1 votes:
I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.
2013-03-19 06:21:56 PM  
1 votes:

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


You don't seriously think it's ok to murder 'a few'* innocent people do you?

* A few will = hundreds, maybe even thousands, in fact if you want to do it globally, then millions. Millions of innocent people murdered so you can try and impose your vision of a perfect society... 

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


I gotta say I almost agree. It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime. These people are just internet folk... the common clay of the new west.
2013-03-19 06:21:15 PM  
1 votes:

GleeUnit: I bet all his jail buddies are gonna be so impressed by how much of a bad ass he is


I bet it won't take him long at all to mouth off to the wrong guy and get a lesson in what a real badass looks like! I'd give him a week before he has to be separated from the other prisoners for his safety. 'Course if I was a guard there, I'd be awfully tempted to look the other way while Bubba teaches the little shiat a lesson in respect...
2013-03-19 06:09:47 PM  
1 votes:

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


Every human being in the world should do this.
2013-03-19 06:09:22 PM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: My friend used to work as a prison guard. Whenever some cocky shiat-rat came through and started trash-talking them, they'd make sure he'd get "randomly" get paired with an AH* designated cell-mate.

*AH = Aggressive Homosexual


Your comments in the Steubenville thread are beginning to make more sense now.
2013-03-19 06:02:46 PM  
1 votes:

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


harshitkumargupta.files.wordpress.com

/Also you're a psychopath
2013-03-19 06:01:31 PM  
1 votes:
1) He is mentally ill. No amount of "he'll see the error of his ways" will ever make it into his brain.

so

2) The families of the victims need to turn their backs on him and speak to the others that that can hear them. Wasting their breath on this boy/man in hopes of thinking it will hurt him or make a difference is a fool's errand.

3) Yes, I know he's in for life, but still - there are certain crimes that call out for mandatory sterilization (not castration). There are certain crimes where the violent perp should never, ever, make an offspring. This is one of those.
2013-03-19 06:00:51 PM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.
2013-03-19 05:57:50 PM  
1 votes:
Lame ass headline ... only took Fark mods what, 8 hours to get this story up.  BTW, this proceeding was this morning ... EARLY this morning.

Whatever ... asshat gets some last words ... good, because tonight, nobody's going to care when that big door shuts and he's not heard from again.
2013-03-19 05:57:10 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


I'd happily start a fundraiser or hold a farkin' bake sale to raise the money to get this asshat executed.
2013-03-19 05:54:08 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


Next week:  defense attorney commits suicide.

Probably not, but I couldn't stay sober the night after that.
2013-03-19 05:52:48 PM  
1 votes:
Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in
2013-03-19 05:52:19 PM  
1 votes:

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


There's a difference between acknowledging the very likely reality and condoning said reality.

I fully expect a kid with an attitude like that to get his ass kicked/killed in prison in short order.  Do I think that is good? No. Do I want to see that happen? No.  But he's going to pull that "look at me, I'm a badass, look at my middle finger" on the wrong guy - someone far more hardened and cold than he could ever imagine being  - and he's pretty much dead.

Again, I don't condone it, but those types usually don't last long in prison.
2013-03-19 05:50:31 PM  
1 votes:
Tie that little farker in a chair and let people beat the hell out of him Airplane! style.
2013-03-19 05:49:29 PM  
1 votes:
I have a strong suspicion this kid has played too much Call of Duty.
2013-03-19 05:48:42 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Ohh this is gonna be good!

*grabs popcorn*


I don't agree with the comparison, but there is some truth in this. Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate. They most certainly do not, nor is it the intention of the justice system for that to be the case. People go to prison and become hardened and detached. What the hell is the point of a prison system if it does nothing to deter crime or rehabilitate people? Just fast track all the criminals to death - watch how fast crime drops. Sure, violent crimes may not drop, but the overall rate certainly will.

Yeah, there are many holes in this fantasy of mine, but I can't help but think if we had a justice system that actually "tried" to do some good, we'd probably see a change.
2013-03-19 05:47:35 PM  
1 votes:

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Deal. If I get to define "hate".
2013-03-19 05:47:31 PM  
1 votes:
i125.photobucket.com
2013-03-19 05:47:20 PM  
1 votes:
He's doing the tough guy routine now, but after six months in an adult prison he'll be regretting that. In a year he will find Jesus, claim his dad molested him etc etc.
2013-03-19 05:44:27 PM  
1 votes:
That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.
2013-03-19 05:40:34 PM  
1 votes:

cannotsuggestaname: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?

Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.


I'd say six months or less because he's so little.  To make 12 he would need to be sent to a women's facility, and even there he would be toast.
2013-03-19 05:39:13 PM  
1 votes:

Paris1127: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.


I was thinking that we need to figure out a "hurry up and die" method of incarceration. Sensory deprivation with an unlimited supply of junk food sounds like a start.
2013-03-19 05:31:38 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?


Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.
2013-03-19 05:28:28 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


No, I think he's saying "Thank god this case is over, what a complete and utter shiatbag, once this is done i'm gonna go and punch his parents".

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2013-03-19 04:54:58 PM  
1 votes:
I bet all his jail buddies are gonna be so impressed by how much of a bad ass he is
2013-03-19 04:51:40 PM  
1 votes:
So that's what happened to Sid from Toy Story.
2013-03-19 04:34:24 PM  
1 votes:
Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?
 
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