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(HyperVocal)   There's showing no remorse, then there's showing up to court with a "KILLER" T-shirt and flipping off victims' families   (hypervocal.com) divider line 360
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2013-03-19 08:13:16 PM

ongbok: This guy that I worked with was telling me about this guy he went to high school with in Iowa. When this guy was 18 he decapitated his girlfriend. When he was asked why he said that he didn't know why he did it, or even remember doing it. All he remembers was sitting in her kitchen arguing with her, then the next thing he remembers was being covered in blood running down the street. But any way the guy was sentenced to life, and after his third round of anal reconstructive surgery, he got around to killing himself.


The Aristocrats!
 
2013-03-19 08:16:28 PM
Aside from genuine physiological abnormalities the little twat is mentally ill.
But there's probably a reason for this remorseless rage. It would be interesting to know what happened to him to get to this point.
Or maybe not.
Maybe he's just a broken person and came out that way from the start, like some kids do, and nobody could do anything with him.
(Yes, they do come that way.)
Broken person.
 
2013-03-19 08:18:18 PM

Micronaut: You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


Well, the alternative is released father-rapers who haven't gotten laid in 20 years!
 
2013-03-19 08:19:09 PM

d1zzy32: I'm predicting an all-out BRAWL for the prisoners to decide who is going to make this kid his biatch.

/dibs!


They let you post on Fark from prison?
 
2013-03-19 08:19:12 PM
Hey guys, I just want you all to know that wanting people who do bad things to suffer makes you just as bad as a psychopathic murderer and I'm much better than you all because i blame others for his crimes
 
2013-03-19 08:20:33 PM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.


Ohio does have the death penalty.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:27 PM
You know, after that comment to the families they should just remove his penis.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:30 PM
I've never been to PMITA prison but I spent a few days in county jail, and let me tell you, the customer service there is just terrible.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:12 PM
Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:53 PM

Mija: Some people are just born bad. They have mental problems, demons, whatever. I'm sure the parents are heartbroken that a child they loved ruined his life and the lives of others.


According to the Wiki article on the shooting, his dad was / is a big pos as well.

Kidnapping, assault, etc.

It also said that the first person he targeted was banging his ex girlfriend.

Strange how little there's been in the media about this kid until now.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:04 PM

remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.


I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

If we could set some bar of proof high enough where it was infalliable, I think I could get on board easily with the death penalty for murderers. In fact, I'm certain I could. I just don't know how to do it and do it in a way where it can't be abused by people.

I just keep going back to the old phrase, "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely." What else, if not absolute power, is the state having control over if you live or die?
 
2013-03-19 08:36:00 PM
Resorting to violence to escape/punish bullies just puts you in another environment (prison) where the bullying is on a different level and you can no longer flee. Unfortunately someone didn't think his cunning plan through to completion.

Assuming that was his motivation.
 
2013-03-19 08:37:32 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.


Yeah.  He's broken.  I don't want to see him suffer, or be raped in jail or anything like that.  I want him to have a nice, comfortable, long life in jail, just so long as he is never, ever set free.

Therapy and counseling is fine, too.  But it won't fix him.

/Please don't forget the "never, ever" part.
 
2013-03-19 08:40:54 PM
He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?
 
2013-03-19 08:43:13 PM

my lip balm addiction: Why the fark should prisoners be allowed to choose death when no one else is allowed to? People be suffering from some heinous diseases out there, have no quality of life and no hope of any and yet they are forced to remain alive against their will. You gonna give these real people the same right, or just the biatches who farking killed someone?


The discussion was about prisoners so I didn't bother to bring it up, but I also believe that assisted suicide for the terminally ill, or for those who will only spend the rest of their lives physically suffering, should be legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:44:23 PM

cannotsuggestaname: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?

Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.


I'm hoping he gets less then that before he gets killed.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


As a criminal defense attorney that has worked on 24 murder cases, including a capital case, I can say is I have been there, and it isn't fun.

Often times in cases that carry major sentences the defendant ignores their attorney's advise and sabotages their case at every turn.  They realize they are most likely going to spend the majority, if not the entirety, of their life in prison and they are very angry (at everyone but themselves) and take it out in the worst possible way.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:46 PM

TwistedFark: remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.

I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

If we could set some bar of proof high enough where it was infalliable, I think I could get on board easily with the death penalty for murderers. In fact, I'm certain I could. I just don't know how to do it and do it in a way where it can't be abused by people.

I just keep going back to the old phrase, "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely." What else, if not absolute power, is the state having control over if you live or die?


Like I said, overwhelming certainty.  If there is a room full of witnesses, or crystal clear video, or they guy is admitting it and proud of it as he stands there with the murder weapon in his hands and blood all over.  That type of certainty.  Then it removes the possibility of punishing an innocent.  I know what you're saying, but there are cases where nobody can say the person even might be innocent.  Taking the death penalty completely off the table gives no room for these types of cases.  At the end of the day, a jury of 12 citizens has to agree, so the State simply can't just execute somebody because they feel like it.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:23 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


No. It's only OK for THIS guy, Stupid.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:51 PM

Magnanimous_J: Normally, I'd wish a painful death on a person like this. But this kid is SO young. He could easily live for 60 years in prison. Can you even fathom that amount of time? He has to spend the rest of his long life thinking every single day about what he could be doing if he wasn't in that cage. The accomplishments that he could have achieved, the women he could have been with, the family he could have raised. Things that he could have had, but will never have. He will spend a literal lifetime in tedious routine and shiatty food for year... after year.... After year. He'll never drive a car, drink a beer, smoke pot around a campfire with friends, lay on a beach, or touch a woman, ever again.


And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.

That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.


I kind of suspect he doesn't give a rat's ass. This is what a genuine psychopath looks and acts like. He really does not care and we as a society are lucky he ONLY killed three people instead of thirty. He really belongs in prison and is probably going to cause as much trouble there as he can before he gets shanked or put in the SHU permanently for the rest of his term.

People don't really believe in evil, but this kid is it. He's not right, and he's where he belongs.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:44 PM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."



A lifetime in prison is actually cheaper than execution, once you factor in the cost of appeals and such.  If your primary concern is saving money, then logically you should oppose capital punishment.

Personally, the main reason I'm opposed to capital punishment is that you can't do anything to correct a wrongful conviction if evidence proving innocence turns up later.  Not that I'm saying it would in this particular case; I'm speaking about capital punishment in general.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


That's fine.  You're welcome to be as pro-death penalty as you like.  Just don't use "saving money" as a justification for your position.  Talk about justice, or deterrence, or something.  There are plenty of better arguments.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:40 PM

Confabulat: I've never been to PMITA prison but I spent a few days in county jail, and let me tell you, the customer service there is just terrible.


No hot baloney, eggs, & bacon?
 
2013-03-19 09:09:28 PM
When is the movie, TV-show and videogame coming? In that order...
There is money to be made here!
 
2013-03-19 09:14:41 PM
I forgot the first thing, THE BOOK!!!
 
2013-03-19 09:15:22 PM

meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!


Is Dexter ill today?
 
2013-03-19 09:18:26 PM

Captain Darling: Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.


For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.


Do you ever do anything in these threads other than misrepresent what other people say?
 
2013-03-19 09:20:23 PM

blanchae: He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?


Jail or prison, there is a difference.  A year in jail is a cake walk compared to a year in prison.

Unless that jail is Riker's Island
 
2013-03-19 09:27:28 PM
Broken.  Irreparable.  Dispose of him.
 
2013-03-19 09:30:52 PM

Great Janitor: blanchae: He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?

Jail or prison, there is a difference.  A year in jail is a cake walk compared to a year in prison.

Unless that jail is Riker's Island


Actually, not really. Jail is nasty. Jail has everyone all mixed together: Newly arrested, murderers, drunks, crazy people, rapists, gangbangers, sentenced, unsentenced, all in a mishmash. Some are old and tough, some new and scared, some just insane. The guards are all deputies who mostly just graduated the academy and found out they get to spend the next five years guarding prisoners instead of going out on the streets, so they're already pissed off even before prisoners get there. Plus, they're not trained to be guards, they're trained to be cops. It's kind of a mess.

In prison, prisoners get sorted by crime type, degree of dangerousness, length of sentence, chance of rehabilitation, etc. The guards are professional guards, so they're a little less pissed (although not less sadistic), and at least they know their stuff. The crazy people are mostly out of sight, and the really dangerous ones get their own rooms. Nearly anyone who's been in the system would rather be in prison than in jail. If, that is, they have to be locked up at all.
 
2013-03-19 09:34:31 PM

orbister: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?


Odd that I rarely hear that from women - a desire for proxy revenge via prison rape, I mean.
 
2013-03-19 09:38:36 PM
It is probably for the best he'll never breathe free air ever again.
 
2013-03-19 09:39:34 PM

JonnyG: Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate. They most certainly do not, nor is it the intention of the justice system for that to be the case. People go to prison and become hardened and detached. What the hell is the point of a prison system if it does nothing to deter crime or rehabilitate people? Just fast track all the criminals to death - watch how fast crime drops. Sure, violent crimes may not drop, but the overall rate certainly will.



All other issues aside, life in prison and capital punishment both serve the same goal: making sure that this particular criminal never commits a crime ever again (unless it's against another prisoner).  The advantages of capital punishment in this scenario are a dead person cannot commit crimes against other prisoners, or escape, or be set free by an overly-merciful parole board.   The main advantage of life without parole in this scenario is that you can't take back an execution if the conviction is ever overturned for any reason.


Also, the problem with using capital punishment, or any other harsh sentence, to deter would-be criminals is that deterrence depends on two factors: (1) the harshness of the sentence for a particular crime, and (2) how likely a person contemplating that crime THINKS he is to be caught and convicted.

Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people who overestimate their chances of escaping conviction, deterrence doesn't work well.  Nor does it work well when potential criminals accurately estimate that their chances of getting away with it are high, either, for that matter.

Sadly, violent criminals tend not to be very forward-thinking individuals.  It's one of the many ways in which the  Dunning-Kruger effect screws us all over.  People who make poor life choices are unaware of the fact that they're making poor choices.
 
2013-03-19 09:44:40 PM

Micronaut: You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


Don't worry, they'll change their stance the next time they read a story about Texas executing someone.
 
2013-03-19 09:46:01 PM
Execute this f*ck.
 
2013-03-19 09:53:58 PM

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


As food for thought, it's pretty dumb, honestly.

Entire books have been written on the death penalty.  I've read some of them.  No, that doesn't make me an expert, but it's enough to tell me that you haven't figured out a brilliant solution nobody's thought of yet.

Seriously, if all you care about is being efficient or saving money, then just abandon capital punishment altogether.  But your "I'm so sick of hearing" opening is a dead giveaway that you don't really give a damn about saving money --- that's a smokescreen to hide your real motive, which is something like justice or revenge.  Which is fine ... I don't mock that as a motive for capital punishment.  Just be HONEST about the fact that it isn't about money.

Honesty.  That's all I ask.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:02 PM
There are reports he suffers from hallucinations and other issues, which would indicate schizophrenia, if that's the case, finding him fit for trial is a bit of an issue itself.
 
2013-03-19 09:59:10 PM
Not that bullying isn't a major factor but- kids have been farking with less confident kids since the beginning of time. It's human nature for the ignorant.

School shootings are currently their claim to fame.

Price of free press.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:21 PM

seadoo2006: Slaxl: seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.

I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.

We'll never know is true reasons, but from what I hear in the community (CHS is about 3 miles from where I live), the kids that got killed were loved by just about everyone, and just about everyone hated this kid.

He snapped, took out a few people he targeted and a bullet hit my coworkers nephew in the ear.

Until you're one of the kids that is near universally hated, I don't think many people can understand.  FWIW, I switched schools twice because the bullying was horrible.  Do I look back and see that I was most just an annoying know-it-all in elementary school? Sure, but when you get a ream of paper put in your desk with anonymously computer printed "We hate First_Name Last_Name", well, that's gonna screw some people up good for life.

I had therapy, and for the most part it worked and I never had murderous thoughts, ...


TLDR warning.

Well, I DID have murderous thoughts.  After being bullied constantly and having people trying to pick fights with me for years, one kid pushed me a little too far in 10th grade band and almost got his neck snapped for his trouble.  He almost did me the same favor a few years prior, so I felt justified at the time.  This time he attacked me and then rushed at me.  I was so fed up that my entire moral system just shut down, and in a rather cold and calculating manner I grabbed his head and attempted to break his neck.  Thankfully the other students in class figured this out and immediately grabbed me and separated us two.

No one told the teacher the extent of what occurred, just that there had been a fight, but word got around the school that I was a psychopath (sociopath was the better term, as I hated people except for a very few close friends) and thereafter nobody messed with me, except for one person who I basically told if he wanted to fight I was fine with it but that one of us wouldn't be walking away alive from it.  He declined to test me on that because of what happened prior.  In other words, I got exactly what I wanted - to be left alone.

Oddly enough I was an honor's student who was loved by all the teachers, who I actually got along quite well with (except one but that's a story for another day).  I just wanted the bullying to stop, and I didn't care how it stopped.  I didn't spend time plotting the killing of innocent students who had nothing to do with my pain and suffering.  I merely sent a message in what really was the last resort I had to do so.  This was a few years before Columbine, and when that occurred, I said to myself, "Those guys are idiots, taking out their anger on innocent students, but I understand their urge to kill, though I could never approve of it."

When you get to a certain level of mental and emotional torture, you just want to hit the "off" switch.  The difference in how that's accomplished depends on the personality of the person involved. Withdrawn and depressed kids usually just kill themselves.  Kids who feel a need for vengeance against certain individuals and are proactive will plan and actively seek to cause great harm or death to those who caused their pain.  Those who feel that the entire school and/or society as a whole is to blame just start randomly killing everyone they see.  People like me, who blame certain people and are reactionary rather than proactive wait for the final straw and then do something drastic to send a message.  Then you get truly sick people who think of it as a game, but that has very little to do with bullying and more to do with Charles Manson type sociopathy, i.e. people who are mentally ill beyond any possibility of help.

This kid is probably more of the kind that thinks society or the school is to blame, and chances are he was fully intending to kill himself when he was done, but got thwarted before he could do so or chickened out at the last minute.  Now he's trying to cause everyone as much pain as possible for all that he perceives everyone did to him.  Ultimately, he will probably hang himself in prison, if he's able to do so without getting caught, as a final act of defiance and a means to end his own pain.  Make everyone suffer as much as possible and then go out in a final defiant act.  If he lives more than a few years and receives psychiatric treatment, he'll probably change his mind and feel extreme remorse for what he did, but something tells me this guy won't make it that long.

As for me, for anyone who actually cares, it's amazing what a few years of therapy and not being bullied every single day will do for one's self-esteem.  I actually was quite social in college, though I hung out more with the geek/nerd crowd.  In law school I developed kind of a reputation as annoying because I actually looked forward to being called on in class and volunteered to answer questions frequently, but I didn't really much care about what people thought then, because I was the one graduating cum laude with a good future ahead of me.  I had several friends who I still get along with quite well when we're not on opposing sides in a case.  My views in life were also completely changed.  I took on a pacifist view of life and no longer believe that taking a human life is ever truly justified.  I'm the polar opposite of the person I was back then.  In other words, I'm living proof that people can change from a destructive and violent pattern of living into a constructive, caring and helpful one.
 
2013-03-19 10:02:07 PM
I wonder how many times Joran van der Sloot was raped before he had his first child.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:54 PM

ciberido: Do you ever do anything in these threads other than misrepresent what other people say?



There's no question that touting life without parole as the moral and cost-effective alternative to the death penalty has been a successful short-term strategy.

And he's right. A dishonest strategy that will soon outlive its usefulness, but a successful one.
 
2013-03-19 10:05:05 PM

Talos: scottydoesntknow: What about the people who were sentenced to death in the '90s?

Arizona Woman's Murder Conviction, Death Sentence Overturned

You can say it never happens, but that's not the case. Jurors will believe a cop over a person sitting in an orange jumpsuit 9 times out of 10, even when he's lying through his teeth.

But jurors don't get "just" a cop's say so anymore.  They get multiple witnesses, they get DNA evidence, they get surveillance evidence, they get firearm and blade forensic evidence, they get fingerprint, palm prints, foot prints, they get hair evidence, etc.  And at times they even get confessions.  So what about those that are without a doubt, they absolutely committed the crime and were given the death penalty? Are you satisfied that they get 20 appeals over the next 50 years when its been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever they are guilty?   That's why the death penalty is so expensive.


You watch way too much T.V. In many many cases there isn't any DNA evidence, or any of the evidence that you pointed out. Most of the time all you have is eyewitness testimony, victims ID and the police and prosecutors testifying to what they turned up in their investigation. And we know quite often victims and eyewitnesses are wrong in their ID. We also know that cops and prosecutors will exaggerate their evidence, and in some cases flat out lie if it will make a conviction happen. Many of these things aren't found out until many many years later.
 
2013-03-19 10:07:49 PM

Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.


Wow you're a douche.
 
2013-03-19 10:09:06 PM

Talos: Those figures are not accurate.  They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury.  In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.



Wow, that's a pretty big whopper.  Here's Wikiepedia for the quick-and-easy rebuttal: "Between 1973 and 2005, 123 people in 25 states were released from death row when new evidence of their innocence emerged..."

Seriously, it's like you're not even trying.  If you're just going to make up crap, try to make it a little bit plausible at least.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:01 PM
He was such a nice boy. He used to cut my grass!
 
2013-03-19 10:11:38 PM

Treygreen13: 2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?

If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.


Uh ... no.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:57 PM

WhyteRaven74: There are reports he suffers from hallucinations and other issues, which would indicate schizophrenia, if that's the case, finding him fit for trial is a bit of an issue itself.


A person can be "crazy as a shiat-house rat", suffering from paranoia, psychosis and schizophrenia and still be legally sane. All the law cares is that at the time of the action was the person able to distinguish right from wrong. I don't think there is any question that in this case, he was sane. Not to say he does not have mental issues.
 
2013-03-19 10:15:46 PM

Summa cum loudly: I never said a thing about Hitler, you stupid fark. And FORGIVE ME if I spelled a word wrong, grammar Nazi. You know when people resort to pointing out misspellings right? When they know they are Full of Shiat! That would be you.....


Dude, switch to decaf.  Seriously.
 
2013-03-19 10:16:02 PM
Will we see him in Disneyland

/obscure?
 
2013-03-19 10:29:51 PM

gunther_bumpass: orbister: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?

Odd that I rarely hear that from women - a desire for proxy revenge via prison rape, I mean.



Violent revenge fantasies seem to be largely a male thing.  Male victims of rape tend to have violent revenge fantasies much more so than female rape victims, for example (though of course women do, too, just less often).  I'm not sure why.  Also, when it comes to rape trauma, revenge fantasies are often tied to shame, though I doubt that is relevant to this thread.

Or maybe men are just socialized to think in terms of solving problems with violence.  I don't know.
 
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