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2013-03-19 06:11:37 PM
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2013-03-19 06:11:43 PM
How sad -- he could have been a great lawyer.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:49 PM

hitlersbrain: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies...

Sounds like he has mental health issues. I would think they'd put him in an mental ward rather than prison. At least study him to maybe figure out how to keep this from happening again.


...said hitler's brain...
 
2013-03-19 06:12:25 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


While I agree with your sentiment, I can't say I know of many countries that actually rehabilitate prisoners.
 
2013-03-19 06:14:04 PM

super_grass: Quaker: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

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/Also you're a psychopath

Stories of psychopaths on Fark also tends to bring other psychopaths out of the woodworks.

My theory is that the stories allow the latter to express their disturbed fantasies in a socially acceptable way.


Probably true. I just don't understand what makes me a psychopath because I'd rather fill my days with happy people than hateful people.
 
2013-03-19 06:15:57 PM
Karmic:
One again though I'm wondering how much money having the death penalty saves from people taking plea deals to life in prison in order to avoid it?  Anyone know of a study on this subject?  Personally I think the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty and remains a threat.  mass shootings, serial killers, this guy, etc.

I'm also wondering how his attorney allowed him into court with that shirt anyway.



Pics show he was wearing it under another shirt, which he took off in court to show the KILLER shirt.

You know, because he's awesome and bad ass like that.
 
2013-03-19 06:16:02 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Good to see the sociopaths out themselves, makes it easier to avoid them in the future.
 
2013-03-19 06:17:25 PM
I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..
 
2013-03-19 06:17:52 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:10 PM
Sometimes a judge's job is easy and even fun.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:21 PM

JonnyG: Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.

While I agree with your sentiment, I can't say I know of many countries that actually rehabilitate prisoners.




Not many would see the point in spending money on garbage like this.
That monster needs to be sodomized with something sharp and unpleasant.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:28 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I am against the death penalty, mostly for financial reasons.  I could see an exception for this case, but what he really needs is treatment for his mental health issues.  He'll never be mentally healthy, and the idea of rehabilitating someone like that is ridiculous.  Sedate him, dope him up and try to get him to feel remorse.  I want him to feel bad about what he did.


He won't. He can't. He can't see teh world through other people's eyes. Some people are just broken.
 
2013-03-19 06:20:26 PM

JonnyG: Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate.


No.  Prisons are supposed to remove criminals from the rest of the population so that they can't commit crimes against them.

The suggestion that a prison sentence of life without parole is supposed to 'reform and rehabilitate' is nonsensical.
 
2013-03-19 06:21:15 PM

GleeUnit: I bet all his jail buddies are gonna be so impressed by how much of a bad ass he is


I bet it won't take him long at all to mouth off to the wrong guy and get a lesson in what a real badass looks like! I'd give him a week before he has to be separated from the other prisoners for his safety. 'Course if I was a guard there, I'd be awfully tempted to look the other way while Bubba teaches the little shiat a lesson in respect...
 
2013-03-19 06:21:56 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


You don't seriously think it's ok to murder 'a few'* innocent people do you?

* A few will = hundreds, maybe even thousands, in fact if you want to do it globally, then millions. Millions of innocent people murdered so you can try and impose your vision of a perfect society... 

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


I gotta say I almost agree. It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime. These people are just internet folk... the common clay of the new west.
 
2013-03-19 06:22:57 PM

farkingismybusiness: I have a strong suspicion this kid has played too much Call of Duty.


I bet he's drank some water in the past, too!
 
2013-03-19 06:23:39 PM

way south: Not many would see the point in spending money on garbage like this.
That monster needs to be sodomized with something sharp and unpleasant.


Ah, another member of the braying mob of bloodthirsty sociopaths outs themselves.
 
2013-03-19 06:23:43 PM
That poor little bastard is going to turn into Richard Speck in prison. (Sorry, video begins immediately.)
 
2013-03-19 06:24:44 PM

meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.


Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.
 
2013-03-19 06:26:13 PM
Jeepers, stickboy.  Bad idea on soooo many fronts.
 
2013-03-19 06:28:53 PM
I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:18 PM
Yeah, uh, I think this guy's got issues. Fortunately, they're no longer  our issues.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:36 PM
Life in the joint, huh?  Some stupid chick will send him pen pal letters, they fall in love, possibly get married...
 
2013-03-19 06:30:36 PM
Rehab, shmehab, it's a PUNISHMENT.  Wanting to see him suffer is proof that I have a conscience and am MORE evolved, not less.  Don't be a pussy.
 
2013-03-19 06:31:42 PM

seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.


I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.
 
2013-03-19 06:33:49 PM

Slaxl: It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime.


I would disagree simply because this kid who committed the crime is a bad person by his own admission, whereas the people who really want to see him suffer in horrible inhuman ways actually think that they're good people.
 
2013-03-19 06:33:52 PM
Wow, this one has winning personality written all over his shirt!

I know we're talking about raping and killing him prison justice style, but the thing that always surprises me about lifers in prison is their prison tattoos. I bet this kid gets really sick stuff inked on himself.
 
2013-03-19 06:34:37 PM

fuhfuhfuh: For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.


Agreed
 
2013-03-19 06:37:06 PM
IMO this kid is bat shiat crazy and should be in a psych ward. Part of me wants to see if he somehow can be rehabilitated to at least show emotion for his crimes. Then another part of me hopes he gets beaten every day within a inch of his life.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:30 PM

seadoo2006: Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.


That's understandable, but there's a big difference between not being sad when something horrible happens to a bad person, and actually wanting/allowing/causing the horrible thing to happen out of a desire for revenge.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:38 PM

PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.


.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:41 PM

wildcardjack: Sensory deprivation with an unlimited supply of junk food sounds like a start.


Cruel and unusual nourishment?

Death by chocolate?
 
2013-03-19 06:38:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.


The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.
 
2013-03-19 06:38:21 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: You've got to admire his dedication.  Perhaps he hasn't thought his brilliant plan all the way through though.


I think he's got a strong case for an insanity plea.  His lawyer's looking at him like, "okay, this guy is missing a few dull marbles from the loose drawer."
 
2013-03-19 06:40:00 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


Farking allah you're an azzhole. You just can't let an opportunity pass to express your dislike of people who disagree with you politically.

And YET it's the Republicans who are deemed 'intolerant'. Farking mohammed you're a POS.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:03 PM
At what point do these actions demonstrate a mental disease? This level of apathy and sociopathic behavior is definitely abnormal. Right?
 
2013-03-19 06:40:27 PM
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Oh my, he'll be quite popular. Does he get to meet the tossed salad man on day one?
 
2013-03-19 06:40:32 PM

douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.


Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:51 PM

Slaxl: seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.

I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.


We'll never know is true reasons, but from what I hear in the community (CHS is about 3 miles from where I live), the kids that got killed were loved by just about everyone, and just about everyone hated this kid.

He snapped, took out a few people he targeted and a bullet hit my coworkers nephew in the ear.

Until you're one of the kids that is near universally hated, I don't think many people can understand.  FWIW, I switched schools twice because the bullying was horrible.  Do I look back and see that I was most just an annoying know-it-all in elementary school? Sure, but when you get a ream of paper put in your desk with anonymously computer printed "We hate First_Name Last_Name", well, that's gonna screw some people up good for life.

I had therapy, and for the most part it worked and I never had murderous thoughts, but I can understand being pushed and pushed and pushed until you snap ... that's why I'm saying this kid may be a sociopath, he may be a farkstick, but I don't really hold it against him to not feel remorseful about shooting up his school ... I wouldn't really expect anyone that plans something like this to be remorseful.

His final words were just another "FARK YOU" to all the people that may have tormented him over the years.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:53 PM

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


I was OK with the death penalty until DNA testing came along.  Then I learned more about wrongful convictions.  Then I changed my mind.

Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule.  It is not a matter of expedience or economy.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:07 PM

Confabulat: txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?

Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.


If "society" created this kid, why aren't more of us that sociopathic?
 
2013-03-19 06:42:22 PM

ShadowWolf: I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..


and if he isn't, he will be when the cameras are put away, the court room clears, the lights are turned off & everyone goes home but him.


/and a long long long long time to remind himself how awesome he is.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:32 PM

JonnyG: super_grass: Quaker: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

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/Also you're a psychopath

Stories of psychopaths on Fark also tends to bring other psychopaths out of the woodworks.

My theory is that the stories allow the latter to express their disturbed fantasies in a socially acceptable way.

Probably true. I just don't understand what makes me a psychopath because I'd rather fill my days with happy people than hateful people.


Saying that you're going to fill your days with happy people by summarily executing everyone who is hateful is like when the military says "Peace through superior firepower".
 
2013-03-19 06:42:36 PM

ggecko: Well......you sort of have to give it up for someone who stands behind his convictions.....


Yeah and Hitler made the trains run on time.

Dip shiat.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:45 PM

jeffdo1: The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


To be fair, even if you could get Dahmer or Lane's head screwed on mostly straight, I'm still hesitant as fark to ever release them into the public.

That said, your premise is right and this thread is proof of it. More justice is needed, and less revenge fantasies for ITGs.
 
2013-03-19 06:43:47 PM

soupafi: IMO this kid is bat shiat crazy and should be in a psych ward. Part of me wants to see if he somehow can be rehabilitated to at least show emotion for his crimes. Then another part of me hopes he gets beaten every day within a inch of his life.


The second part of you supports the first.
 
2013-03-19 06:44:07 PM
Reminds me of this guy's sentencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis

The judge's retort was perfect.
 
2013-03-19 06:44:50 PM

MaxxLarge: I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.


Somewhere, someone is setting up an account to donate funds for this I would imagine.
 
2013-03-19 06:45:26 PM

duffblue: douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.

Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.


Really? This guy kills three innocent people and is left alive? That's not justice being served.

You don't believe in justice for the victims either.
 
2013-03-19 06:45:40 PM

Lee451: Confabulat: txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?

Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.

If "society" created this kid, why aren't more of us that sociopathic?


"Because society is imperfect" explains both parts of your question.
 
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