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(HyperVocal)   There's showing no remorse, then there's showing up to court with a "KILLER" T-shirt and flipping off victims' families   (hypervocal.com) divider line 360
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2013-03-19 04:34:24 PM
Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?
 
2013-03-19 04:37:25 PM
oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!
 
2013-03-19 04:39:10 PM
Some people just don't deserve to be alive...him for example.
Have fun in jail honey. Your a-hole is gonna look like the Holland Tunnel....if you live that long.
 
2013-03-19 04:42:15 PM
That boy ain't right.
 
2013-03-19 04:51:40 PM
So that's what happened to Sid from Toy Story.
 
2013-03-19 04:54:58 PM
I bet all his jail buddies are gonna be so impressed by how much of a bad ass he is
 
2013-03-19 04:56:12 PM
of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."
 
2013-03-19 05:05:04 PM
I'm sure the guards won't have too much difficulty looking the other way should he find himself in an unpleasant situation in the shower room.
 
2013-03-19 05:05:06 PM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."


You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.
 
2013-03-19 05:07:40 PM

nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.


expensive, but worth it.
 
2013-03-19 05:10:16 PM
At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.
 
2013-03-19 05:12:39 PM
Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you.

There are no words...
 
2013-03-19 05:16:00 PM
I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.
 
2013-03-19 05:16:04 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.
 
2013-03-19 05:20:37 PM
I think this is a time where the appropriate sentence would be the victim's families, at any time on any day, can request him to leave his cell and get one extremely hard kick in the balls from each of them.

Let's see him try to masturbate to murders when his balls are larger than grapefruits from swelling.
 
2013-03-19 05:24:01 PM
I don't agree with the death penalty because I don't trust our justice system, but sometimes I wonder if there shouldn't be exceptions.
 
2013-03-19 05:24:01 PM

Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.


We're going to see 10-15-20-30 etc etc year anniversary special out of this eff-wad. Oh! And if he finds religion we going to see him more often then that!

If we kill him we only have to worry about him being in the 10-15 and maybe the 20th year shows
 
2013-03-19 05:24:50 PM
but the law is the law so no needle for him.....
 
2013-03-19 05:28:28 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


No, I think he's saying "Thank god this case is over, what a complete and utter shiatbag, once this is done i'm gonna go and punch his parents".

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2013-03-19 05:31:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?


Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.
 
2013-03-19 05:37:10 PM
I don't think I've said this since the Newtown shooting, but WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?
 
2013-03-19 05:39:13 PM

Paris1127: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.


I was thinking that we need to figure out a "hurry up and die" method of incarceration. Sensory deprivation with an unlimited supply of junk food sounds like a start.
 
2013-03-19 05:39:23 PM
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2013-03-19 05:39:45 PM
He'll be very popular in the pen...especially without the guns. And I don't mean the little chicken arms.
 
2013-03-19 05:39:55 PM
The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:34 PM

cannotsuggestaname: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?

Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.


I'd say six months or less because he's so little.  To make 12 he would need to be sent to a women's facility, and even there he would be toast.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:42 PM
Well son, before the sentencing portion I'm going to hold you in contempt of court.  That'll be 10 years in solitary and then we'll try this again.
 
2013-03-19 05:41:10 PM
Dammitsomuch!!1!

Murderer of three apologizes to his victims' families at sentencing hearing. With his middle finger. While wearing a t-shirt with the word "KILLER" on it

/Step 1. Hire Caveman Lawyer
/Sept 2. Sit in dark and mutter over the inequities in life
 
2013-03-19 05:42:00 PM
Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?
 
2013-03-19 05:42:17 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.
 
2013-03-19 05:42:23 PM
FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

Is it the left or the right hand, kiddo? Oh never mind, I'll just break 'em both.
 
2013-03-19 05:42:45 PM

txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?


Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.
 
2013-03-19 05:42:46 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Ohh this is gonna be good!

*grabs popcorn*
 
2013-03-19 05:43:33 PM
he told you he was hardcore..
 
2013-03-19 05:43:36 PM
Good for him sticking to his guns(if you'll forgive the expression).
 
2013-03-19 05:44:27 PM
That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.
 
2013-03-19 05:45:16 PM

Paris1127: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.



For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.
 
2013-03-19 05:45:37 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.
 
2013-03-19 05:47:20 PM
He's doing the tough guy routine now, but after six months in an adult prison he'll be regretting that. In a year he will find Jesus, claim his dad molested him etc etc.
 
2013-03-19 05:47:31 PM
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2013-03-19 05:47:35 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Deal. If I get to define "hate".
 
2013-03-19 05:48:31 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.


this.  an overt sociopath.  pretty rare, actually.
 
2013-03-19 05:48:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Ohh this is gonna be good!

*grabs popcorn*


I don't agree with the comparison, but there is some truth in this. Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate. They most certainly do not, nor is it the intention of the justice system for that to be the case. People go to prison and become hardened and detached. What the hell is the point of a prison system if it does nothing to deter crime or rehabilitate people? Just fast track all the criminals to death - watch how fast crime drops. Sure, violent crimes may not drop, but the overall rate certainly will.

Yeah, there are many holes in this fantasy of mine, but I can't help but think if we had a justice system that actually "tried" to do some good, we'd probably see a change.
 
2013-03-19 05:48:48 PM
It's funny because the things that will happen to him in prison will make rape seem like a day at the spa.

That ass is going to be completely destroyed. Reconstructive surgery destroyed. Flat tire for 500 miles destroyed.

Killer indeed.
 
2013-03-19 05:49:29 PM
I have a strong suspicion this kid has played too much Call of Duty.
 
2013-03-19 05:49:54 PM
I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."
 
2013-03-19 05:50:01 PM
For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.
 
2013-03-19 05:50:31 PM
Tie that little farker in a chair and let people beat the hell out of him Airplane! style.
 
2013-03-19 05:50:56 PM
Why didn't CNN talk about how his promising life is now ruined because of this conviction?
 
2013-03-19 05:51:09 PM
His parents must be very proud.
 
2013-03-19 05:51:19 PM
Normally, I'd wish a painful death on a person like this. But this kid is SO young. He could easily live for 60 years in prison. Can you even fathom that amount of time? He has to spend the rest of his long life thinking every single day about what he could be doing if he wasn't in that cage. The accomplishments that he could have achieved, the women he could have been with, the family he could have raised. Things that he could have had, but will never have. He will spend a literal lifetime in tedious routine and shiatty food for year... after year.... After year. He'll never drive a car, drink a beer, smoke pot around a campfire with friends, lay on a beach, or touch a woman, ever again.


And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.


That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.
 
2013-03-19 05:52:19 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


There's a difference between acknowledging the very likely reality and condoning said reality.

I fully expect a kid with an attitude like that to get his ass kicked/killed in prison in short order.  Do I think that is good? No. Do I want to see that happen? No.  But he's going to pull that "look at me, I'm a badass, look at my middle finger" on the wrong guy - someone far more hardened and cold than he could ever imagine being  - and he's pretty much dead.

Again, I don't condone it, but those types usually don't last long in prison.
 
2013-03-19 05:52:48 PM
Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in
 
2013-03-19 05:53:16 PM
You've got to admire his dedication.  Perhaps he hasn't thought his brilliant plan all the way through though.
 
2013-03-19 05:53:54 PM

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


One again though I'm wondering how much money having the death penalty saves from people taking plea deals to life in prison in order to avoid it?  Anyone know of a study on this subject?  Personally I think the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty and remains a threat.  mass shootings, serial killers, this guy, etc.

I'm also wondering how his attorney allowed him into court with that shirt anyway.
 
2013-03-19 05:53:55 PM
In three months he will go from being the starting Tight End to being the starting Wide Receiver on the prison football team

/couldn't happen to a nicer guy either
 
2013-03-19 05:54:01 PM

fuhfuhfuh: For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.


I had an old friend who killed himself in solitary. Asphyxiation.
 
2013-03-19 05:54:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


Next week:  defense attorney commits suicide.

Probably not, but I couldn't stay sober the night after that.
 
2013-03-19 05:54:10 PM

what_now: I don't agree with the death penalty because I don't trust our justice system, but sometimes I wonder if there shouldn't be exceptions.


I think the answer to that is obvious, now...
 
2013-03-19 05:54:23 PM

Cast: It's funny because the things that will happen to him in prison will make rape seem like a day at the spa.

That ass is going to be completely destroyed. Reconstructive surgery destroyed. Flat tire for 500 miles destroyed.

Killer indeed.


This guy that I worked with was telling me about this guy he went to high school with in Iowa. When this guy was 18 he decapitated his girlfriend. When he was asked why he said that he didn't know why he did it, or even remember doing it. All he remembers was sitting in her kitchen arguing with her, then the next thing he remembers was being covered in blood running down the street. But any way the guy was sentenced to life, and after his third round of anal reconstructive surgery, he got around to killing himself.
 
2013-03-19 05:54:34 PM

LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.


Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.
 
2013-03-19 05:54:42 PM
Then there's spending the rest of your life as prison currency.
 
2013-03-19 05:56:30 PM
Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies...

Sounds like he has mental health issues. I would think they'd put him in an mental ward rather than prison. At least study him to maybe figure out how to keep this from happening again.
 
2013-03-19 05:56:46 PM
I think he's about to find out how hardcore he really is.
 
2013-03-19 05:57:10 PM

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


I'd happily start a fundraiser or hold a farkin' bake sale to raise the money to get this asshat executed.
 
2013-03-19 05:57:50 PM
Lame ass headline ... only took Fark mods what, 8 hours to get this story up.  BTW, this proceeding was this morning ... EARLY this morning.

Whatever ... asshat gets some last words ... good, because tonight, nobody's going to care when that big door shuts and he's not heard from again.
 
2013-03-19 05:58:09 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


Hey lighten up, hippie! Rape is perfectly fine when it happens in prison, because no one ever goes to prison who doesn't deserve to be sodomized. It's the American way.
 
2013-03-19 05:58:15 PM

hitlersbrain: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies...

Sounds like he has mental health issues. I would think they'd put him in an mental ward rather than prison. At least study him to maybe figure out how to keep this from happening again.


Yeah but no one can get off to revengist fantasies about a mental health Ward.
 
2013-03-19 05:58:48 PM
If I was the father of one of the kids he killed, I'd put their entire college fund into care packages for the rest of the prison population with notes explaining the situ and if they wouldnt mind doing me a solid. Enjoy the cigs boys!
 
2013-03-19 06:00:04 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


As some fool in another thread told me today, "It is not the responsibility or right of the government to make you a better person."
 
2013-03-19 06:00:51 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.
 
2013-03-19 06:01:18 PM
Well......you sort of have to give it up for someone who stands behind his convictions.....
 
2013-03-19 06:01:31 PM
1) He is mentally ill. No amount of "he'll see the error of his ways" will ever make it into his brain.

so

2) The families of the victims need to turn their backs on him and speak to the others that that can hear them. Wasting their breath on this boy/man in hopes of thinking it will hurt him or make a difference is a fool's errand.

3) Yes, I know he's in for life, but still - there are certain crimes that call out for mandatory sterilization (not castration). There are certain crimes where the violent perp should never, ever, make an offspring. This is one of those.
 
2013-03-19 06:01:34 PM
What's the big deal? I masturbate with the hand that held my ladies boob.  How does that make me history's greatest monster?
 
2013-03-19 06:01:41 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


I'm all for rehabilitation, I think it would be great on most inmates, but do you honestly believe rehabilitation would work on this guy?
 
2013-03-19 06:02:02 PM
I am against the death penalty, mostly for financial reasons.  I could see an exception for this case, but what he really needs is treatment for his mental health issues.  He'll never be mentally healthy, and the idea of rehabilitating someone like that is ridiculous.  Sedate him, dope him up and try to get him to feel remorse.  I want him to feel bad about what he did.

Along with that, to NEVER be allowed to see life outside a super max prison again.  1 hour a day of outside air and the rest inside.  If there is a hard labor option, give him that as well.

Sick fark.
 
2013-03-19 06:02:26 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


So you are volunteering to take on rehabilitating him?

Not everything or everyone is fixable.  It's broken forever and leaving it around just allows it to poison others.
 
2013-03-19 06:02:39 PM

Pork1: His parents must be very proud.


I can't fathom my boys, they're both under 4 years old, growing up to be psychopaths like this kid.

I'm against the death penalty in all cases, even for people like this.

I cannot help but wonder what his childhood was like??

/rambling
 
2013-03-19 06:02:46 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


harshitkumargupta.files.wordpress.com

/Also you're a psychopath
 
2013-03-19 06:03:02 PM

lockers: What's the big deal? I masturbate with the hand that held my ladies boob.  How does that make me history's greatest monster?


That depends, was the boob still attached to the lady when you did it?
 
2013-03-19 06:04:41 PM

Paris1127: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you.

There are no words...


Umm,,,yeah there is, you just typed em

/cold motherfarker, he is.
 
2013-03-19 06:05:27 PM

stir22: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.

this.  an overt sociopath.  pretty rare, actually.


More like a wanna-be sociopath. A real sociopath would be in tears, playing the little boy angle, convincingly showing remorse and empathy he didn't feel at all, in order to try and worm his way out of getting the full punishment he richly deserves.

This kid's actions just about scream "I AM TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO CONVINCE YOU WHAT A BADASS I AM".
 
2013-03-19 06:05:36 PM

Confabulat: I'm sure the guards won't have too much difficulty looking the other way should he find himself in an unpleasant situation in the shower room.


Otherwise known as date night.
 
2013-03-19 06:06:08 PM
A parting shot before hell on earth followed by hell in hell. Not a rosy future. I hope it was worth it.
 
2013-03-19 06:06:11 PM
My friend used to work as a prison guard. Whenever some cocky shiat-rat came through and started trash-talking them, they'd make sure he'd get "randomly" get paired with an AH* designated cell-mate.

*AH = Aggressive Homosexual
 
2013-03-19 06:06:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: I think this is a time where the appropriate sentence would be the victim's families, at any time on any day, can request him to leave his cell and get one extremely hard kick in the balls from each of them.


BEER_ME_in_CT: If I was the father of one of the kids he killed, I'd put their entire college fund into care packages for the rest of the prison population with notes explaining the situ and if they wouldnt mind doing me a solid. Enjoy the cigs boys!


I almost wished the judge turned him loose. He'd be dead before dark.
 
2013-03-19 06:06:59 PM

gilgigamesh: stir22: Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.

this.  an overt sociopath.  pretty rare, actually.

More like a wanna-be sociopath. A real sociopath would be in tears, playing the little boy angle, convincingly showing remorse and empathy he didn't feel at all, in order to try and worm his way out of getting the full punishment he richly deserves.

This kid's actions just about scream "I AM TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO CONVINCE YOU WHAT A BADASS I AM".


I think it is a ploy to get put in protective custody.
 
2013-03-19 06:07:33 PM

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


are you telling him this, or us?
 
2013-03-19 06:09:02 PM

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2013/03/19/news/doc5148ad9c2b79d 67 8337531.txt

Replace "girlfriend" with "sister" and you might have a winner there ... oh, wait a couple years though ... you don't want to be in the clink with him.
 
2013-03-19 06:09:22 PM

WhippingBoy: My friend used to work as a prison guard. Whenever some cocky shiat-rat came through and started trash-talking them, they'd make sure he'd get "randomly" get paired with an AH* designated cell-mate.

*AH = Aggressive Homosexual


Your comments in the Steubenville thread are beginning to make more sense now.
 
2013-03-19 06:09:47 PM

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


Every human being in the world should do this.
 
2013-03-19 06:09:52 PM

Cast: It's funny because the things that will happen to him in prison will make rape seem like a day at the spa.

That ass is going to be completely destroyed. Reconstructive surgery destroyed. Flat tire for 500 miles destroyed.

Killer indeed.


Boner killer maybe.
/til round 2 that is.
 
2013-03-19 06:09:58 PM

Confabulat: I'm sure the guards won't have too much difficulty looking the other way should he find himself in an unpleasant situation in the shower room.


My guess is the guards will love having this little asshole around.  Authoritarian types like jailers and cops like nothing better than a defiant punk to break.  It probably won't be a matter of them looking the other way so much as setting up party time with C Block and taking bets on how long he lasts.
 
2013-03-19 06:09:58 PM

lockers: What's the big deal? I masturbate with the hand that held my ladies boob.  How does that make me history's greatest monster?


Meh, the words you are reading right now were typed by the hand I fap with.
 
2013-03-19 06:10:26 PM
First the Steubenville rape case, now this.  At this rate, there'll be a Fark tag for Ohio by summer.
 
2013-03-19 06:10:47 PM

Quaker: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

[harshiatkumargupta.files.wordpress.com image 275x275]

/Also you're a psychopath


Stories of psychopaths on Fark also tends to bring other psychopaths out of the woodworks.

My theory is that the stories allow the latter to express their disturbed fantasies in a socially acceptable way.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:03 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Wow... as butthurt as you appear to be, its nothing compared to what's waiting for him. hehe
 
2013-03-19 06:11:03 PM

Karmic:
One again though I'm wondering how much money having the death penalty saves from people taking plea deals to life in prison in order to avoid it?  Anyone know of a study on this subject?  Personally I think the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty and remains a threat.  mass shootings, serial killers, this guy, etc.

I'm also wondering how his attorney allowed him into court with that shirt anyway.


I oppose the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I suspect you may be right on that. I would be interested to see if anyone did such a study as well. One further argument that does sort of have me at least understanding the pro death penalty crowd is what if a prisoner in jail for life kills another prisoner? Without the death penalty, they might as well just kill indiscriminately until they confine them to the SHU. If we MUST have the death penalty, I would like to see it reserved for particularly heinous crimes (child rape, terrorism including mass shootings, perjury resulting in an execution, massive election fraud, etc) and where the guilt is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt certain.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:03 PM
Unfortunately, I can see him becoming the prison bigshot that he dreams he is. Maybe not immediately, but he's young, able-bodied, destined to be locked up forever, and stupid enough that reform is out of the question. His choices are to either be tough or be dirt, and he's clearly made that choice already.

So while it might feel happy and righteous to cheer about harsh reality taking its course, my over/under on this twerp is 30/50 years. He'll fit right in with the rest of the sociopaths stuck in there forever.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:09 PM
Little man syndrome
 
2013-03-19 06:11:37 PM
l.wigflip.com
 
2013-03-19 06:11:43 PM
How sad -- he could have been a great lawyer.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:49 PM

hitlersbrain: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies...

Sounds like he has mental health issues. I would think they'd put him in an mental ward rather than prison. At least study him to maybe figure out how to keep this from happening again.


...said hitler's brain...
 
2013-03-19 06:12:25 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


While I agree with your sentiment, I can't say I know of many countries that actually rehabilitate prisoners.
 
2013-03-19 06:14:04 PM

super_grass: Quaker: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

[harshiatkumargupta.files.wordpress.com image 275x275]

/Also you're a psychopath

Stories of psychopaths on Fark also tends to bring other psychopaths out of the woodworks.

My theory is that the stories allow the latter to express their disturbed fantasies in a socially acceptable way.


Probably true. I just don't understand what makes me a psychopath because I'd rather fill my days with happy people than hateful people.
 
2013-03-19 06:15:57 PM
Karmic:
One again though I'm wondering how much money having the death penalty saves from people taking plea deals to life in prison in order to avoid it?  Anyone know of a study on this subject?  Personally I think the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty and remains a threat.  mass shootings, serial killers, this guy, etc.

I'm also wondering how his attorney allowed him into court with that shirt anyway.



Pics show he was wearing it under another shirt, which he took off in court to show the KILLER shirt.

You know, because he's awesome and bad ass like that.
 
2013-03-19 06:16:02 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Good to see the sociopaths out themselves, makes it easier to avoid them in the future.
 
2013-03-19 06:17:25 PM
I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..
 
2013-03-19 06:17:52 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:10 PM
Sometimes a judge's job is easy and even fun.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:21 PM

JonnyG: Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.

While I agree with your sentiment, I can't say I know of many countries that actually rehabilitate prisoners.




Not many would see the point in spending money on garbage like this.
That monster needs to be sodomized with something sharp and unpleasant.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:28 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I am against the death penalty, mostly for financial reasons.  I could see an exception for this case, but what he really needs is treatment for his mental health issues.  He'll never be mentally healthy, and the idea of rehabilitating someone like that is ridiculous.  Sedate him, dope him up and try to get him to feel remorse.  I want him to feel bad about what he did.


He won't. He can't. He can't see teh world through other people's eyes. Some people are just broken.
 
2013-03-19 06:20:26 PM

JonnyG: Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate.


No.  Prisons are supposed to remove criminals from the rest of the population so that they can't commit crimes against them.

The suggestion that a prison sentence of life without parole is supposed to 'reform and rehabilitate' is nonsensical.
 
2013-03-19 06:21:15 PM

GleeUnit: I bet all his jail buddies are gonna be so impressed by how much of a bad ass he is


I bet it won't take him long at all to mouth off to the wrong guy and get a lesson in what a real badass looks like! I'd give him a week before he has to be separated from the other prisoners for his safety. 'Course if I was a guard there, I'd be awfully tempted to look the other way while Bubba teaches the little shiat a lesson in respect...
 
2013-03-19 06:21:56 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


You don't seriously think it's ok to murder 'a few'* innocent people do you?

* A few will = hundreds, maybe even thousands, in fact if you want to do it globally, then millions. Millions of innocent people murdered so you can try and impose your vision of a perfect society... 

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


I gotta say I almost agree. It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime. These people are just internet folk... the common clay of the new west.
 
2013-03-19 06:22:57 PM

farkingismybusiness: I have a strong suspicion this kid has played too much Call of Duty.


I bet he's drank some water in the past, too!
 
2013-03-19 06:23:39 PM

way south: Not many would see the point in spending money on garbage like this.
That monster needs to be sodomized with something sharp and unpleasant.


Ah, another member of the braying mob of bloodthirsty sociopaths outs themselves.
 
2013-03-19 06:23:43 PM
That poor little bastard is going to turn into Richard Speck in prison. (Sorry, video begins immediately.)
 
2013-03-19 06:24:44 PM

meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.


Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.
 
2013-03-19 06:26:13 PM
Jeepers, stickboy.  Bad idea on soooo many fronts.
 
2013-03-19 06:28:53 PM
I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:18 PM
Yeah, uh, I think this guy's got issues. Fortunately, they're no longer  our issues.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:36 PM
Life in the joint, huh?  Some stupid chick will send him pen pal letters, they fall in love, possibly get married...
 
2013-03-19 06:30:36 PM
Rehab, shmehab, it's a PUNISHMENT.  Wanting to see him suffer is proof that I have a conscience and am MORE evolved, not less.  Don't be a pussy.
 
2013-03-19 06:31:42 PM

seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.


I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.
 
2013-03-19 06:33:49 PM

Slaxl: It is sick how many people gleefully visualise his oncoming repeated rapings. However it's not more sickening than the crime.


I would disagree simply because this kid who committed the crime is a bad person by his own admission, whereas the people who really want to see him suffer in horrible inhuman ways actually think that they're good people.
 
2013-03-19 06:33:52 PM
Wow, this one has winning personality written all over his shirt!

I know we're talking about raping and killing him prison justice style, but the thing that always surprises me about lifers in prison is their prison tattoos. I bet this kid gets really sick stuff inked on himself.
 
2013-03-19 06:34:37 PM

fuhfuhfuh: For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.


Agreed
 
2013-03-19 06:37:06 PM
IMO this kid is bat shiat crazy and should be in a psych ward. Part of me wants to see if he somehow can be rehabilitated to at least show emotion for his crimes. Then another part of me hopes he gets beaten every day within a inch of his life.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:30 PM

seadoo2006: Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.


That's understandable, but there's a big difference between not being sad when something horrible happens to a bad person, and actually wanting/allowing/causing the horrible thing to happen out of a desire for revenge.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:38 PM

PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.


.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:41 PM

wildcardjack: Sensory deprivation with an unlimited supply of junk food sounds like a start.


Cruel and unusual nourishment?

Death by chocolate?
 
2013-03-19 06:38:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.


The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.
 
2013-03-19 06:38:21 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: You've got to admire his dedication.  Perhaps he hasn't thought his brilliant plan all the way through though.


I think he's got a strong case for an insanity plea.  His lawyer's looking at him like, "okay, this guy is missing a few dull marbles from the loose drawer."
 
2013-03-19 06:40:00 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


Farking allah you're an azzhole. You just can't let an opportunity pass to express your dislike of people who disagree with you politically.

And YET it's the Republicans who are deemed 'intolerant'. Farking mohammed you're a POS.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:03 PM
At what point do these actions demonstrate a mental disease? This level of apathy and sociopathic behavior is definitely abnormal. Right?
 
2013-03-19 06:40:27 PM
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Oh my, he'll be quite popular. Does he get to meet the tossed salad man on day one?
 
2013-03-19 06:40:32 PM

douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.


Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:51 PM

Slaxl: seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.

I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.


We'll never know is true reasons, but from what I hear in the community (CHS is about 3 miles from where I live), the kids that got killed were loved by just about everyone, and just about everyone hated this kid.

He snapped, took out a few people he targeted and a bullet hit my coworkers nephew in the ear.

Until you're one of the kids that is near universally hated, I don't think many people can understand.  FWIW, I switched schools twice because the bullying was horrible.  Do I look back and see that I was most just an annoying know-it-all in elementary school? Sure, but when you get a ream of paper put in your desk with anonymously computer printed "We hate First_Name Last_Name", well, that's gonna screw some people up good for life.

I had therapy, and for the most part it worked and I never had murderous thoughts, but I can understand being pushed and pushed and pushed until you snap ... that's why I'm saying this kid may be a sociopath, he may be a farkstick, but I don't really hold it against him to not feel remorseful about shooting up his school ... I wouldn't really expect anyone that plans something like this to be remorseful.

His final words were just another "FARK YOU" to all the people that may have tormented him over the years.
 
2013-03-19 06:40:53 PM

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


I was OK with the death penalty until DNA testing came along.  Then I learned more about wrongful convictions.  Then I changed my mind.

Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule.  It is not a matter of expedience or economy.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:07 PM

Confabulat: txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?

Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.


If "society" created this kid, why aren't more of us that sociopathic?
 
2013-03-19 06:42:22 PM

ShadowWolf: I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..


and if he isn't, he will be when the cameras are put away, the court room clears, the lights are turned off & everyone goes home but him.


/and a long long long long time to remind himself how awesome he is.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:32 PM

JonnyG: super_grass: Quaker: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

[harshiatkumargupta.files.wordpress.com image 275x275]

/Also you're a psychopath

Stories of psychopaths on Fark also tends to bring other psychopaths out of the woodworks.

My theory is that the stories allow the latter to express their disturbed fantasies in a socially acceptable way.

Probably true. I just don't understand what makes me a psychopath because I'd rather fill my days with happy people than hateful people.


Saying that you're going to fill your days with happy people by summarily executing everyone who is hateful is like when the military says "Peace through superior firepower".
 
2013-03-19 06:42:36 PM

ggecko: Well......you sort of have to give it up for someone who stands behind his convictions.....


Yeah and Hitler made the trains run on time.

Dip shiat.
 
2013-03-19 06:42:45 PM

jeffdo1: The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


To be fair, even if you could get Dahmer or Lane's head screwed on mostly straight, I'm still hesitant as fark to ever release them into the public.

That said, your premise is right and this thread is proof of it. More justice is needed, and less revenge fantasies for ITGs.
 
2013-03-19 06:43:47 PM

soupafi: IMO this kid is bat shiat crazy and should be in a psych ward. Part of me wants to see if he somehow can be rehabilitated to at least show emotion for his crimes. Then another part of me hopes he gets beaten every day within a inch of his life.


The second part of you supports the first.
 
2013-03-19 06:44:07 PM
Reminds me of this guy's sentencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis

The judge's retort was perfect.
 
2013-03-19 06:44:50 PM

MaxxLarge: I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.


Somewhere, someone is setting up an account to donate funds for this I would imagine.
 
2013-03-19 06:45:26 PM

duffblue: douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.

Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.


Really? This guy kills three innocent people and is left alive? That's not justice being served.

You don't believe in justice for the victims either.
 
2013-03-19 06:45:40 PM

Lee451: Confabulat: txchad: Wow, a society created monster.  Why is everybody so butthurt?

Society created my dumb ass too, but I never run around shooting people.

If "society" created this kid, why aren't more of us that sociopathic?


"Because society is imperfect" explains both parts of your question.
 
2013-03-19 06:45:50 PM

jeffdo1: scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.

The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


Getting him the help he needed? What kind of "help" would've helped Jeffrey F**king Dahmer?
 
2013-03-19 06:46:27 PM
He's going to end up at the Lebanon Correctional Institute.  It was featured on the doc series 'Lock Up' and yeah, that kid is getting turned out the first day.
Here's the ep if you have netflix
http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70144742&trkid=3325854
 
2013-03-19 06:48:51 PM
"The hand that pulls the
trigger that killed your sons now
masturbates to the memory."

It's almost a douchebag haiku. .
 
2013-03-19 06:51:27 PM

Syrrh: Unfortunately, I can see him becoming the prison bigshot that he dreams he is. Maybe not immediately, but he's young, able-bodied, destined to be locked up forever, and stupid enough that reform is out of the question. His choices are to either be tough or be dirt, and he's clearly made that choice already.

So while it might feel happy and righteous to cheer about harsh reality taking its course, my over/under on this twerp is 30/50 years. He'll fit right in with the rest of the sociopaths stuck in there forever.


Nah. He's too little. His only chance for survival is to gang up. And to do that, he'll have to submit and humble himself. With his lovely attitude, I don't see that happening, at least not until he's been somebody's biatch for a good while.

And to all you holier than thou farkers out there, in no way am I taking pleasure from that image. I am stating what is.

My punishment fantasy goes more to shunning. He gave up his right to live in society. Let him sit with his own anonymous thoughts.
 
2013-03-19 06:51:28 PM

Pork1: His parents must be very proud.


Some people are just born bad. They have mental problems, demons, whatever. I'm sure the parents are heartbroken that a child they loved ruined his life and the lives of others. I've seen parents do everything right but have children who made horrible life decisions that went against everything they were taught. No one wins in this situation. The murderers family lost a child too.
 
2013-03-19 06:52:27 PM
You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.

I just wish I could see him right now, watch his first 24 hours of prison.  Does he act hardcore and get his ass beat or does he break down and start crying instantly?  How long until someone realizes that he's a school shooter and bring upon him some prison justice?
 
2013-03-19 06:53:49 PM

douchebag/hater: duffblue: douchebag/hater: PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.

.5/10 on your troll.

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.

Except justice was served, jackass. Welcome to society, hope you enjoy your stay.

Really? This guy kills three innocent people and is left alive? That's not justice being served.

You don't believe in justice for the victims either.


Murder victims are unconcerned with justice.  If there's no afterlife, they have no concerns.  If there is, they have more important concerns.

The appropriate punishment in this case depends on  whether you'd rather be dead of locked up for the rest of your life.  That's a matter of opinion.
 
2013-03-19 06:55:01 PM
scottydoesntknow:

Getting him the help he needed? What kind of "help" would've helped Jeffrey F**king Dahmer?

A little Tabasco sauce?
 
2013-03-19 06:55:42 PM
Those bullies had it coming. Stay defiant
 
2013-03-19 06:55:47 PM
IF ONLY

HE HAD

STUCK TO KILLING

WILD PIGS
 
2013-03-19 06:56:01 PM

nekom: If we MUST have the death penalty, I would like to see it reserved for particularly heinous crimes (child rape, terrorism including mass shootings, perjury resulting in an execution, massive election fraud, etc) and where the guilt is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt certain.


I would add left-lane vigilantes to that list.
 
2013-03-19 06:56:22 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.

I was OK with the death penalty until DNA testing came along.  Then I learned more about wrongful convictions.  Then I changed my mind.

Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule.  It is not a matter of expedience or economy.


Those figures are not accurate.  They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury.  In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.
 
2013-03-19 06:57:40 PM

Mija: Pork1: His parents must be very proud.

Some people are just born bad. They have mental problems, demons, whatever. I'm sure the parents are heartbroken that a child they loved ruined his life and the lives of others. I've seen parents do everything right but have children who made horrible life decisions that went against everything they were taught. No one wins in this situation. The murderers family lost a child too.


From what I have read, daddy was no winner either, and had a rather long rap sheet which included attempted murder.

Sometimes kids are born bad despite the parents. This one was one of the many that didn't fall far from the tree.
 
2013-03-19 06:58:59 PM

skantea: He's going to end up at the Lebanon Correctional Institute.  It was featured on the doc series 'Lock Up' and yeah, that kid is getting turned out the first day.
Here's the ep if you have netflix
http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70144742&trkid=3325854


Don't have Netflix.  But here's a cheerful 90 second talk from the warden.  "We're really in the people business," he says with a perfectly straight, avuncular face.
 
2013-03-19 07:00:17 PM
If you know that you're never going to be found Not Guilty, you may as well go full throttle with it.
 
2013-03-19 07:01:16 PM
There's a pic on that page that's perfect for a trollface 'shop
 
2013-03-19 07:01:19 PM

WhippingBoy: My friend used to work as a prison guard. Whenever some cocky shiat-rat came through and started trash-talking them, they'd make sure he'd get "randomly" get paired with an AH* designated cell-mate.

*AH = Aggressive Homosexual


Your friend sounds like they need a few years with an AH.
 
2013-03-19 07:01:34 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in


That's what many seem to gladly overlook in this thread. The lad should be in a mental institution. He should have been in a mental institution years ago.
 
2013-03-19 07:02:47 PM
"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

Ya know, if you're going to go all "LOOK AT ME!!!! I'M AN INSANE M-F'ER!!" you better go all the way and not pussy out at the sentencing and cry like a biatch.
Good on you, son.
I give it month before the poop just falls out.
 
2013-03-19 07:04:43 PM

Primitive Screwhead: I give it month before the poop just falls out.


and that's a loose estimate.
 
2013-03-19 07:05:23 PM

TV's Vinnie: If you know that you're never going to be found Not Guilty, you may as well go full throttle with it.


After you are found guilty, the next question is how you should be punished.
Being respectful to the Court might have its benefits when that time comes.

/Where they place him in the system to serve "life" is what determines if he'll live.
 
2013-03-19 07:05:25 PM

Great Janitor: You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.


This is part of the reason I'm opposed to sentencing anyone to life without the possibility of parole. It gives them very little reason to even think about things that could potentially lead them to becoming a better person, and at the very least it's more likely to make them a bigger problem/danger for prison staff since many people in that situation will feel like they have nothing to lose.

Also, I do believe that anyone CAN change. Not that it will happen for all or even most of them, but given enough time some people genuinely do. And this is especially true for young offenders as in this case. Life can look a lot different at age 47 than it did at 17. So at least allow for the possibility that they might be let out at some point in the future.
 
2013-03-19 07:07:04 PM
 If someone murders me because they're sick, I seriously would hope they'd get whatever help was needed whether medication or removal from society. I wouldn't want them 'punished' because they couldn't help being sick. Someone kills me for money, revenge, jollies or the like...yeah, have at 'em. It's possible to be sick AND still make choices. Dahmer was someone who was sick, but he still was capable of making choices. Andrea Yates was someone who was sick, and IMHO wasn't responsible for her actions when she killed her kids. She was in a psychotic break, and her failure to get treatment previously wasn't really on her but rather others around her.

Big difference. This kid? Dunno. But I feel really shiatty for the loved ones sitting through that shiat.

Mental health sucks in prisons (and in the US in general) anyway. Even if this kid was a full blown schizophrenic in a full blown break, odds are good he wouldn't get the treatment he needed in prison anyway. Most are made worse by the conditions and lack of consistent supervised medical care.

And even if you've no sympathy for them (and some don't have any sympathy for them), fixing that problem would make us all safer. It's really in society's best interest to have free mental health programs and medications. Hell, it's in our best interest financially if we offered free health care. Fixing hypertension at 20 is a fark of a lot cheaper than the medical bills later in life, and survivor benefits to their offspring.

But...that's going a little off the track here. But still!
 
2013-03-19 07:08:15 PM

Talos: Those figures are not accurate. They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury. In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.


What about the people who were sentenced to death in the '90s?

Arizona Woman's Murder Conviction, Death Sentence Overturned

You can say it never happens, but that's not the case. Jurors will believe a cop over a person sitting in an orange jumpsuit 9 times out of 10, even when he's lying through his teeth.
 
2013-03-19 07:08:29 PM

Quaker: Great Janitor: You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.

This is part of the reason I'm opposed to sentencing anyone to life without the possibility of parole. It gives them very little reason to even think about things that could potentially lead them to becoming a better person, and at the very least it's more likely to make them a bigger problem/danger for prison staff since many people in that situation will feel like they have nothing to lose.

Also, I do believe that anyone CAN change. Not that it will happen for all or even most of them, but given enough time some people genuinely do. And this is especially true for young offenders as in this case. Life can look a lot different at age 47 than it did at 17. So at least allow for the possibility that they might be let out at some point in the future.


I agree. If somebody killed someone I cared about, I would be pissed if they had no chance at parole. If they are never released then I can't hunt them down and kill them.
 
2013-03-19 07:09:21 PM
Whatever you do kid, don't drop the soap. You're going to need it lube up your ass.
 
2013-03-19 07:09:28 PM

MaxxLarge: I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.


You don't gamble much, do you?
 
2013-03-19 07:11:49 PM

douchebag/hater: And ANOTHER person who doesn't believe in justice for the victims.


Justice for the victims? Here's a 17 year old that's clearly mentally ill, raised by a violent felon, who's going to be locked up in a barbaric prison system for the rest of his life. But, that's not good enough for you. He needs to be subjected to rape to satisfy your blood-lust. Maybe you could learn something from this man. ""As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, he was making a point, just saying to the family, 'We must not think evil of this man,' " the Rev. Robert Schenck told CNN. "

douchebag/hater: Yeah and Hitler made the trains run on time.


Classic.
 
2013-03-19 07:13:30 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


There is a reason it is called a court of law and not a court of justice. Justice comes later. This little farker should be the cum dumpster of every depraved psycho locked up with him until he dies. This little shiat is not human.
 
2013-03-19 07:13:52 PM

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


Actually, I send that letter or a variation thereof to about once a month to my shiat ass little brother who's sitting in jail for murder.
 
2013-03-19 07:15:40 PM
That legit gave me the chills. Buddy is Full Hitler levels of evil. His asshole is what will get killed in prison, so have fun being a Prison biatch, you evil bastard.
 
2013-03-19 07:15:42 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


While you are most probably trollin, i'll bite anyway. I don't think most people should be raped and killed in prison. Just this guy.
 
2013-03-19 07:16:09 PM

douchebag/hater: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

Farking allah you're an azzhole. You just can't let an opportunity pass to express your dislike of people who disagree with you politically.

And YET it's the Republicans who are deemed 'intolerant'. Farking mohammed you're a POS.


Honestly, it was a joke. If I had been serious I wouldn't have included the question mark. For a douchebag/hater, you sure have a thin skin.
 
2013-03-19 07:16:21 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: I don't think I've said this since the Newtown shooting, but WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?


A mixture of serious mental illness, easy availability of weapons and an inhumane justice system.

FTFA Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies, revealed a shirt that read "KILLER" and flipped off victims' families in court.
 
2013-03-19 07:17:27 PM

Magnanimous_J: Normally, I'd wish a painful death on a person like this. But this kid is SO young. He could easily live for 60 years in prison. Can you even fathom that amount of time? He has to spend the rest of his long life thinking every single day about what he could be doing if he wasn't in that cage. The accomplishments that he could have achieved, the women he could have been with, the family he could have raised. Things that he could have had, but will never have. He will spend a literal lifetime in tedious routine and shiatty food for year... after year.... After year. He'll never drive a car, drink a beer, smoke pot around a campfire with friends, lay on a beach, or touch a woman, ever again.


And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.


That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.


Eh, most people die that way anyway.
 
2013-03-19 07:17:30 PM
Let's have a blood orgy! Yay!

/fap
 
2013-03-19 07:17:39 PM

JonnyG: Probably true. I just don't understand what makes me a psychopath because I'd rather fill my days with happy people than hateful people.


Because you literally said in your Boobies you'd be OK with the state murdering/killing 'happy people' so long as more 'hateful people' were killed?

Which is kind of psychopathic/sociopathic?

/I'm sure you'd be completely fine with it if you were the one on the chopping block for something you didn't do, too.
 
2013-03-19 07:18:13 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?
 
2013-03-19 07:18:17 PM

Quaker: Great Janitor: You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.

This is part of the reason I'm opposed to sentencing anyone to life without the possibility of parole. It gives them very little reason to even think about things that could potentially lead them to becoming a better person, and at the very least it's more likely to make them a bigger problem/danger for prison staff since many people in that situation will feel like they have nothing to lose.

Also, I do believe that anyone CAN change. Not that it will happen for all or even most of them, but given enough time some people genuinely do. And this is especially true for young offenders as in this case. Life can look a lot different at age 47 than it did at 17. So at least allow for the possibility that they might be let out at some point in the future.


To me, life in prison without the chance at parole is the worst punishment possible, even worse than death.  If you're sentenced to life in prison, but have the chance at parole, at least you have something to look forward to.  Something that you can work towards.  There is hope that you can be free.  With the death penalty, there is a date that it will end.

When it's life without parole, that means that for decades you are going to be in prison, that there is no escape, no release, no hope.  No hope of release or parole, nothing to work towards.  When you're still a teenager, three life sentences and no chance at parole means that four-fifths of your life (assuming a 100 year life) will be in prison.  It's a life where there is nothing to really work towards, no goals, no dreams and zero hope.  Worse yet, this kid will probably never have a visitor or letter from the outside world, unless his parents still give a damn about him, and honestly, they could disown him at this point and no one would blame them.

My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.
 
2013-03-19 07:18:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: What about the people who were sentenced to death in the '90s?

Arizona Woman's Murder Conviction, Death Sentence Overturned

You can say it never happens, but that's not the case. Jurors will believe a cop over a person sitting in an orange jumpsuit 9 times out of 10, even when he's lying through his teeth.


But jurors don't get "just" a cop's say so anymore.  They get multiple witnesses, they get DNA evidence, they get surveillance evidence, they get firearm and blade forensic evidence, they get fingerprint, palm prints, foot prints, they get hair evidence, etc.  And at times they even get confessions.  So what about those that are without a doubt, they absolutely committed the crime and were given the death penalty? Are you satisfied that they get 20 appeals over the next 50 years when its been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever they are guilty?   That's why the death penalty is so expensive.
 
2013-03-19 07:18:29 PM

Quaker: Great Janitor: You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.

This is part of the reason I'm opposed to sentencing anyone to life without the possibility of parole. It gives them very little reason to even think about things that could potentially lead them to becoming a better person, and at the very least it's more likely to make them a bigger problem/danger for prison staff since many people in that situation will feel like they have nothing to lose.

Also, I do believe that anyone CAN change. Not that it will happen for all or even most of them, but given enough time some people genuinely do. And this is especially true for young offenders as in this case. Life can look a lot different at age 47 than it did at 17. So at least allow for the possibility that they might be let out at some point in the future.


After the mid twenties it gets extremely hard for people to change.  That said, those changes have to be internally motivated.  The outside world is kind of just a spectator at some point. In any case the population is growing too fast for quality social work to keep up.
 
2013-03-19 07:19:08 PM

JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.


Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?
 
2013-03-19 07:20:12 PM

kendelrio: Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."

Actually, I send that letter or a variation thereof to about once a month to my shiat ass little brother who's sitting in jail for murder.


I've thought about sending it to my POS BIL doing time for DUI/Vehicular Homicide, but whenever I sit down to write it I remember he isn't worth the ink or paper.
 
2013-03-19 07:20:27 PM

pizen: So that's what happened to Sid from Toy Story.


LOL!

I know it's a cartoon but that kid always creeped the hell out of me.
 
2013-03-19 07:20:51 PM
Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.
 
2013-03-19 07:21:48 PM

Paris1127: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you.

There are no words...


I'd argue that there are, "legally insane". I honestly don't know the back story on this one but I'm sure there were plenty of warning signs.
 
2013-03-19 07:21:52 PM

jeffdo1: scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: Lane, who suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies... so vote Republican?

/it's a crime to be mentally ill...it just takes a while for the punishment--not treatment--to kick in

There's a hell of a lot of people with mental illnesses who don't charge into a public location and start shooting people. Mental illness is being treated as a scapegoat/excuse more than it is an actual illness nowadays.

The problem with this is the mentally ill almost never get off. We have a system motivated by our rush for retribution, that makes it impossible for those with real mental health issues to avoid life in prison.

Take a guy like Dahmer who raped, killed and ate his victims. I don't see how he was judged sane, and put in the general population of a prison ward. Not exactly getting him the help he needed.


In Arizona, if you are judged mentally ill, you can still be convicted and sentenced for a crime. If you manage to take your meds and do your therapy in the state mental hospital and get well, then it's off to prison to serve your sentence.

This presupposes you aren't rich while mentally ill. The mentally ill rich are a slice of something special.
 
2013-03-19 07:22:03 PM

orbister: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?


It's like a little present for all the lifers in there! Fresh tender meat! We OWE it to them to provide some veal!
 
2013-03-19 07:22:43 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.



Thank you for showing everyone how stupid you are.

By all means, show us how opinions on the internet are somehow more sickening than murder.
 
2013-03-19 07:23:52 PM

Talos: scottydoesntknow: What about the people who were sentenced to death in the '90s?

Arizona Woman's Murder Conviction, Death Sentence Overturned

You can say it never happens, but that's not the case. Jurors will believe a cop over a person sitting in an orange jumpsuit 9 times out of 10, even when he's lying through his teeth.

But jurors don't get "just" a cop's say so anymore.  They get multiple witnesses, they get DNA evidence, they get surveillance evidence, they get firearm and blade forensic evidence, they get fingerprint, palm prints, foot prints, they get hair evidence, etc.  And at times they even get confessions.  So what about those that are without a doubt, they absolutely committed the crime and were given the death penalty? Are you satisfied that they get 20 appeals over the next 50 years when its been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever they are guilty?   That's why the death penalty is so expensive.


I guess we can do away with trials alltogether now that we have you to decide when people are guilty beyond any doubt whatsoever.
 
2013-03-19 07:25:21 PM
There are some problems that are best resolved with .45 ACP. He is one of them.
 
2013-03-19 07:27:05 PM
Just a little info on his childhood.The records say between 1995 and 1997, the boy's father and mother, Sara A. Nolan, were each charged with domestic violence against each other.
At a later date, the father was charged with assaulting a police officer and served time in prison after trying to suffocate another woman he married several years after his son was born, according to court records.

Gosh, combine that childhood with mental illness and color me surprised that he turned to violence. But, that's okay, he'll get the loving he never got as a child from the rapist in prison, amiright?
 
2013-03-19 07:28:42 PM

2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?


If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.
 
2013-03-19 07:29:26 PM

NightOwl2255: Just a little info on his childhood.The records say between 1995 and 1997, the boy's father and mother, Sara A. Nolan, were each charged with domestic violence against each other.
At a later date, the father was charged with assaulting a police officer and served time in prison after trying to suffocate another woman he married several years after his son was born, according to court records.

Gosh, combine that childhood with mental illness and color me surprised that he turned to violence. But, that's okay, he'll get the loving he never got as a child from the rapist in prison, amiright?


Don't forget genetics. Of the four most evil people I've met, two pairs of father and son. Nature, nurture, who knows but it does run in families once in a while.
 
2013-03-19 07:31:08 PM

jeffdo1: He's doing the tough guy routine now, but after six months in an adult prison he'll be regretting that. In a year he will find Jesus, claim his dad molested him etc etc.


Are you a gypsy fortune teller or a writer for The Onion?
 
2013-03-19 07:32:14 PM

Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.


The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.
 
2013-03-19 07:32:37 PM

TrixieDelite: I don't think it's okay for people to be raped/killed in prison. I think it's okay for this person to be raped/killed in prison.



Bingo.

It's not like this guy was merely arrested for having a bag of weed in his car.
 
2013-03-19 07:32:55 PM

Great Janitor: To me, life in prison without the chance at parole is the worst punishment possible, even worse than death.  If you're sentenced to life in prison, but have the chance at parole, at least you have something to look forward to.  Something that you can work towards.  There is hope that you can be free.  With the death penalty, there is a date that it will end.

When it's life without parole, that means that for decades you are going to be in prison, that there is no escape, no release, no hope.  No hope of release or parole, nothing to work towards.  When you're still a teenager, three life sentences and no chance at parole means that four-fifths of your life (assuming a 100 year life) will be in prison.  It's a life where there is nothing to really work towards, no goals, no dreams and zero hope.  Worse yet, this kid will probably never have a visitor or letter from the outside world, unless his parents still give a damn about him, and honestly, they could disown him at this point and no one would blame them.

My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.


From a logical perspective I would agree. However, I think the survival instinct would be too strong to ignore for most people (myself included) when the time to make that decision actually came, which is why there have been lots of people who have pleaded guilty and accepted life without parole in order to avoid the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty for several reasons, but I would be OK with offering a humane execution as a voluntary option for prisoners who are sentenced to life, assuming there would be mental health professionals involved to make sure they're not making that decision because of a treatable psychological problem. But if they're of sound mind then they should be able to choose death.
 
2013-03-19 07:32:58 PM

Magnanimous_J: And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.


This is a fate far worse than death. The people that want him to die? I don't know what their motivations are, but they're very short sighted. A long, cold, boring, uneventful life is a hellish one. Nobody will care about what he did, or who he was, and then he'll die alone. Even the people that put him in the ground won't know him. They'll just dump some old man in an incinerator and then go get lunch. That's revenge you can only buy on an institutional level, and it's worth a lot more than a few seconds of violence.
 
2013-03-19 07:37:00 PM

Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.


*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.
 
2013-03-19 07:38:25 PM

Talos: But jurors don't get "just" a cop's say so anymore. They get multiple witnesses, they get DNA evidence, they get surveillance evidence, they get firearm and blade forensic evidence, they get fingerprint, palm prints, foot prints, they get hair evidence, etc. And at times they even get confessions. So what about those that are without a doubt, they absolutely committed the crime and were given the death penalty? Are you satisfied that they get 20 appeals over the next 50 years when its been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever they are guilty? That's why the death penalty is so expensive.


So are you arguing that no one gets convicted unjustly of crimes these days? Say, no one within the last 10 years has been convicted of a serious felony (We could just even limit it to murder and rape!) that they didn't commit?
 
2013-03-19 07:38:51 PM

MaxxLarge: I'd say the over / under on him getting a shower-shank in the pen is about 3 weeks / 2 months.


I don't understand why anyone would want to show him that kind of mercy. Spending the whole of your natural life in prison with no possibility of parole starting at age 17 is much worse than getting stabbed to death, even with a small knife, after three and a half weeks. This kid will be praying to be shanked by age 25.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:09 PM

Alonjar: *shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.


Sometimes people are just horrible folks too. The Columbine shooters, it turned out, weren't lashing out at bullying, and I somehow doubt the people in the movie theater in colorado bullied the shooter.

Or, ooh. Maybe all those gradeschool kids in Sandy Hook elementry were bully the shooter!

/Sometimes, people are just farked in the head.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:23 PM

Talos: Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule. It is not a matter of expedience or economy.

Those figures are not accurate. They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury. In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.


I didn't have that info about the stats.  Thank you; I'll see how true it is.

It's great that the justice system has become less fallible.  It is not infallible, as you choose to believe.  Nor is it incorruptible.  I am not prepared to trust it with the death penalty.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:27 PM

scottydoesntknow: lockers: What's the big deal? I masturbate with the hand that held my ladies boob.  How does that make me history's greatest monster?

That depends, was the boob still attached to the lady when you did it?


I'm failing to see why that matters. It made sure to put the lotion on its skin. I'll go with attached, as there was plenty of hide left in the shirt i made.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:34 PM
It was that horrible "Swing" dance that's to blame, isn't it?  That godless jive, brought over by those colored fellas.

We need to ban that dance, before our sweet God-fearing sons & daughters are seduced and turned.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:46 PM

skantea: Quaker: Great Janitor: You know, he was found guilty, no possible way he was going to be let free, the families of his victims could not do anything but sit there and watch, might as well go ahead and get one last verbal jab at them, not really going to make any difference.  He will never again be a free man.

This is part of the reason I'm opposed to sentencing anyone to life without the possibility of parole. It gives them very little reason to even think about things that could potentially lead them to becoming a better person, and at the very least it's more likely to make them a bigger problem/danger for prison staff since many people in that situation will feel like they have nothing to lose.

Also, I do believe that anyone CAN change. Not that it will happen for all or even most of them, but given enough time some people genuinely do. And this is especially true for young offenders as in this case. Life can look a lot different at age 47 than it did at 17. So at least allow for the possibility that they might be let out at some point in the future.

After the mid twenties it gets extremely hard for people to change.  That said, those changes have to be internally motivated.  The outside world is kind of just a spectator at some point. In any case the population is growing too fast for quality social work to keep up.


I agree that it's very difficult to do, especially for the kinds of people who get sent to prison for serious offenses. But however difficult it is, it's not impossible, so I don't see the harm in just allowing for the possibility.
 
2013-03-19 07:40:55 PM

PreMortem: At least he didn't placate himself by crying for mercy, giving a fake apology, or admitting the errors of his ways. I admire such conviction.


That's pretty much how I felt after reading it.

I read somewhere that most of us are at the same level of moral development as three year olds - we behave out of fear of external punishment, not out of adherence to a internally derived moral code. Weird to think that this guy is actually a step ahead - his actions are governed by what ever internal moral code he established. And he seems to have adhered to it - defiantly even.
 
2013-03-19 07:43:30 PM

Alonjar: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.

*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.


Oh and I am sure YOU have. I am sure you served in a forward position in Afghanistan after graduating with your PhD in Clinical Psychology.

I on the other hand, have a lousy 4 yr degree and was mercifully bullied and abused during my school years. So I guess I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about compared to you.
 
2013-03-19 07:45:05 PM

WhippingBoy: My friend used to work as a prison guard. Whenever some cocky shiat-rat came through and started trash-talking them, they'd make sure he'd get "randomly" get paired with an AH* designated cell-mate.

*AH = Aggressive Homosexual


Your friend is either completely full of shiat or it was a long time ago as in 30 years ago.

If you do that stuff now, you run a real risk of ending up in prison yourself.I know of one officer who was accused of this and is now in prison for life. They had no real evidence, but they railroaded her.

Also, he will go to a special unit where there is no chance of bongo-bongo, willing or forced.
 
2013-03-19 07:46:01 PM
Them clothes got laundry numbers on them. You remember your number and always wear the ones that has your number. Any man forgets his number spends a night in the box. These here spoons you keep with you. Any man loses his spoon spends a night in the box. There's no playing grab-ass or fighting in the building. You got a grudge against another man, you fight him Saturday afternoon. Any man playing grab-ass or fighting in the building spends a night in the box. First bell's at five minutes of eight when you will get in your bunk. Last bell is at eight. Any man not in his bunk at eight spends the night in the box. There is no smoking in the prone position in bed. To smoke you must have both legs over the side of your bunk. Any man caught smoking in the prone position in bed... spends a night in the box. You get two sheets. Every Saturday, you put the clean sheet on the top... the top sheet on the bottom... and the bottom sheet you turn in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box. No one'll sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any man with dirty pants on sitting on the bunks spends a night in the box. Any man don't bring back his empty pop bottle spends a night in the box. Any man loud talking spends a night in the box. You got questions, you come to me. I'm Carr, the floor walker. I'm responsible for order in here. Any man don't keep order spends a night in...  the box..
 
2013-03-19 07:48:32 PM
Flawless victory for this attention whore.
 
2013-03-19 07:50:06 PM

Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.

*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.

Oh and I am sure YOU have. I am sure you served in a forward position in Afghanistan after graduating with your PhD in Clinical Psychology.

I on the other hand, have a lousy 4 yr degree and was mercifully bullied and abused during my school years. So I guess I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about compared to you.


I bet you still are. People don't change, only circumstances.
 
2013-03-19 07:50:43 PM

Quaker: Great Janitor: To me, life in prison without the chance at parole is the worst punishment possible, even worse than death.  If you're sentenced to life in prison, but have the chance at parole, at least you have something to look forward to.  Something that you can work towards.  There is hope that you can be free.  With the death penalty, there is a date that it will end.

When it's life without parole, that means that for decades you are going to be in prison, that there is no escape, no release, no hope.  No hope of release or parole, nothing to work towards.  When you're still a teenager, three life sentences and no chance at parole means that four-fifths of your life (assuming a 100 year life) will be in prison.  It's a life where there is nothing to really work towards, no goals, no dreams and zero hope.  Worse yet, this kid will probably never have a visitor or letter from the outside world, unless his parents still give a damn about him, and honestly, they could disown him at this point and no one would blame them.

My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.

From a logical perspective I would agree. However, I think the survival instinct would be too strong to ignore for most people (myself included) when the time to make that decision actually came, which is why there have been lots of people who have pleaded guilty and accepted life without parole in order to avoid the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty for several reasons, but I would be OK with offering a humane execution as a voluntary option for prisoners who are sentenced to life, assuming there would be mental health professionals involved to make sure they're not making that decision because of a treatable psychological problem. But if they're of sound mind then they should be able to choose death.


I am the opposite.  I've been in shiat environments and shiat situations.  The only thing that really got me through them was the knowledge that it would one day end.  Now, put me into a situation where I'm in utter hell, which is prison.  I've seen those shows about life behind bars on cable.  It's not a place I'd want to work carrying a gun, let alone a place I'd want to be in as a prisoner.  Give me the option of life in prison without ever getting out alive or a bullet to the back of the head and out the front, I'll take the bullet.

But I need the hope that I would get released.  I need to have something to work for, goals to reach.  Take all of that from me and tell me from day one that's the situation, and I'll ask for the release of death.  But that's me.  At least when there is the possibility of parole, you have something to work for.  Yeah they could always deny you each and every time, but as long as I have that hope of release, I have something.
 
2013-03-19 07:50:44 PM

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


Correct, death penalty is more expensive. If I ever did something really bad, I'd choose death penalty over life in a hole, as it would be 100 times better.
 
2013-03-19 07:51:09 PM

priapic_abandon: Them clothes got laundry numbers on them. You remember your number and always wear the ones that has your number. Any man forgets his number spends a night in the box. These here spoons you keep with you. Any man loses his spoon spends a night in the box. There's no playing grab-ass or fighting in the building. You got a grudge against another man, you fight him Saturday afternoon. Any man playing grab-ass or fighting in the building spends a night in the box. First bell's at five minutes of eight when you will get in your bunk. Last bell is at eight. Any man not in his bunk at eight spends the night in the box. There is no smoking in the prone position in bed. To smoke you must have both legs over the side of your bunk. Any man caught smoking in the prone position in bed... spends a night in the box. You get two sheets. Every Saturday, you put the clean sheet on the top... the top sheet on the bottom... and the bottom sheet you turn in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box. No one'll sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any man with dirty pants on sitting on the bunks spends a night in the box. Any man don't bring back his empty pop bottle spends a night in the box. Any man loud talking spends a night in the box. You got questions, you come to me. I'm Carr, the floor walker. I'm responsible for order in here. Any man don't keep order spends a night in...  the box..


Haha. Got a kick out of that.... Clifton James was a good friend of my dads. Hung out with him many times when I was a kid. I think I still have a signed photo he gave me from Cool Hand Luke, buried in a drawer somewhere.

/CSB
 
2013-03-19 07:51:15 PM
Lots of rape fetishists in this thread. Apparently rape is an acceptable punishment in certain circumstances. If you don't believe our current laws go far enough, run for office on a "tough on crime" platform or something and try to get a bill passed with your version of justice. Be sure to include every aspect of your rape fantasy in the text of the bill.

/Rape
 
2013-03-19 07:52:08 PM
Sometimes people REALLY meant to do what they do! Why is this a surprise. He meant to do it he had his reasons he doesn't care. For some reason this REALLY bugs people.
 
2013-03-19 07:53:10 PM

YouSirAreAMaroon: I bet you still are. People don't change, only circumstances.


I guess we're all zygotes, then?

/Seriously, what?
 
2013-03-19 07:53:11 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Magnanimous_J: And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.

This is a fate far worse than death. The people that want him to die? I don't know what their motivations are, but they're very short sighted. A long, cold, boring, uneventful life is a hellish one. Nobody will care about what he did, or who he was, and then he'll die alone. Even the people that put him in the ground won't know him. They'll just dump some old man in an incinerator and then go get lunch. That's revenge you can only buy on an institutional level, and it's worth a lot more than a few seconds of violence.


I agree with that normally, however this kid claims to masturbate to the memory of killing so I wouldn't expect that he understand the concepts of cold, boring, uneventful, alone, or hellish in a way we would recognize. So the long slow sentence may not be that satisfying for us unless we hear somewhere down the line that he totally cracked and is freaking out in prison.
 
2013-03-19 07:54:14 PM
he has great penmanship
 
2013-03-19 07:54:51 PM
Kid would fit right in at a teabagger rally.
 
2013-03-19 07:55:41 PM

YouSirAreAMaroon: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.

*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.

Oh and I am sure YOU have. I am sure you served in a forward position in Afghanistan after graduating with your PhD in Clinical Psychology.

I on the other hand, have a lousy 4 yr degree and was mercifully bullied and abused during my school years. So I guess I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about compared to you.

I bet you still are. People don't change, only circumstances.


My point exactly. Last time I checked, I have not gone on a shooting rampage killing people because I was bullied. Thats why I (arguably) don't belong in prison for life. And this guy does. Thank you for proving my point, while attempting (lamely) to insult me!
 
2013-03-19 07:56:53 PM

soupafi: Why didn't CNN talk about how his promising life is now ruined because of this conviction?


Dang... you beat me to it.  +1 for you.  :)
 
2013-03-19 07:56:53 PM
 You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.
 
2013-03-19 07:57:59 PM

Felgraf: YouSirAreAMaroon: I bet you still are. People don't change, only circumstances.

I guess we're all zygotes, then?

/Seriously, what?


Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse the anti-abortion crowd. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
2013-03-19 07:58:05 PM

Micronaut: Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


It's the only way they'll learn.
 
2013-03-19 07:58:15 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: I don't think I've said this since the Newtown shooting, but WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?


You mean apart from " hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies"?
 
2013-03-19 07:59:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Talos: Since 1973, 142 people on death row have been released after being found innocent.

Justice is not a simple matter of majority rule. It is not a matter of expedience or economy.

Those figures are not accurate. They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury. In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.

I didn't have that info about the stats.  Thank you; I'll see how true it is.

It's great that the justice system has become less fallible.  It is not infallible, as you choose to believe.  Nor is it incorruptible.  I am not prepared to trust it with the death penalty.


I have no problem trusting our system with the death penalty in cases where it is proven beyond all doubt that the person sentenced to death did it.  If you have a situation where 12 people can identify the gunman of a mass shooter, along with security camera footage, prints on the gun that he was arrested with that ballistics examination proves that it was the gun that was fired, and DNA evidence, then yeah, execute.

If there is the chance that the person on trial is not the person who committed the crimes, then execution shouldn't be an option.  But this kind of points to a flaw with our legal system.  From what I've seen, it's gone less and less about the truth via facts and more about the win/loss ratio of the lawyers.
 
2013-03-19 07:59:38 PM
I'm predicting an all-out BRAWL for the prisoners to decide who is going to make this kid his biatch.

/dibs!
 
2013-03-19 08:00:21 PM

nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.


The only reason for that is the lack of teeth in the law. If you make capital punishment like the following, it would be less expensive:
 -- If convicted of a crime and given capital punishment, you get a maximum of 3 appeals
 -- Those 3 appeals must all happen within 3 years of the original trial
 -- If after those 4 total trials you are still found guilty, you have 30 days to live
 -- Period. Buh-bye scum

THAT is the capital punishment law I would like to see enacted and in place EVERYWHERE.

Might one or two innocent people get caught up? Maybe. But it is still a better law than what we have going now.

/endless lawsuits
//massive waste of taxpayer money
///farkers get even worse in jail and murder people there too
//fark them all
/real capital punishment like this will never happen - calm down bleeding hearts
 
2013-03-19 08:01:36 PM

Summa cum loudly: Thats why I (arguably) don't belong in prison for life. And this guy does.


And no one questions he deserves to be in prison for life. It's you pathological desire to see him suffer that makes you, well, who you are.
 
2013-03-19 08:01:52 PM

Summa cum loudly: YouSirAreAMaroon: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Summa cum loudly: Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.

The "victims" were High School children. HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN. They didn't DO anything to deserve death, you sick farker.

*shrug* I'm happy that you never had to deal with the kind of experiences that allow you to comprehend why or how a person can be pushed over the edge.

Oh and I am sure YOU have. I am sure you served in a forward position in Afghanistan after graduating with your PhD in Clinical Psychology.

I on the other hand, have a lousy 4 yr degree and was mercifully bullied and abused during my school years. So I guess I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about compared to you.

I bet you still are. People don't change, only circumstances.

My point exactly. Last time I checked, I have not gone on a shooting rampage killing people because I was bullied. Thats why I (arguably) don't belong in prison for life. And this guy does. Thank you for proving my point, while attempting (lamely) to insult me!


I didn't realize you had a point, I thought you were just sharing your rape/torture fantasies.
 
2013-03-19 08:02:42 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


The fact that you think a broken farked up POS that would say things like that to his victims family is even CAPABLE of rehab is proof that you are part of the problem.

/fark off bleeding heart
//You're not helping
 
2013-03-19 08:03:26 PM
"Remorse is lacking," Judge David Fuhry said on Tuesday

Also, the surface sun is a little warm.
 
2013-03-19 08:07:43 PM

Abox: Micronaut: Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.

It's the only way they'll learn.


So, you agree that rape is an abuse cycle and the future innocent victims are acceptable collateral damage?

1/10, troll.
 
2013-03-19 08:07:53 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


You can tell a lot about a civillization by how it treats its crimminals.You can tell even more by how its crimminals treat it.Truly we are godlike in our wisdom.Lock your doors,amen
 
2013-03-19 08:10:54 PM

Quaker: Great Janitor: To me, life in prison without the chance at parole is the worst punishment possible, even worse than death.  If you're sentenced to life in prison, but have the chance at parole, at least you have something to look forward to.  Something that you can work towards.  There is hope that you can be free.  With the death penalty, there is a date that it will end.

When it's life without parole, that means that for decades you are going to be in prison, that there is no escape, no release, no hope.  No hope of release or parole, nothing to work towards.  When you're still a teenager, three life sentences and no chance at parole means that four-fifths of your life (assuming a 100 year life) will be in prison.  It's a life where there is nothing to really work towards, no goals, no dreams and zero hope.  Worse yet, this kid will probably never have a visitor or letter from the outside world, unless his parents still give a damn about him, and honestly, they could disown him at this point and no one would blame them.

My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.

From a logical perspective I would agree. However, I think the survival instinct would be too strong to ignore for most people (myself included) when the time to make that decision actually came, which is why there have been lots of people who have pleaded guilty and accepted life without parole in order to avoid the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty for several reasons, but I would be OK with offering a humane execution as a voluntary option for prisoners who are sentenced to life, assuming there would be mental health professionals involved to make sure they're not making that decision because of a treatable psychological problem. But if they're of sound mind then they should be able to choose death.


Why the fark should prisoners be allowed to choose death when no one else is allowed to? People be suffering from some heinous diseases out there, have no quality of life and no hope of any and yet they are forced to remain alive against their will. You gonna give these real people the same right, or just the biatches who farking killed someone?
 
2013-03-19 08:11:00 PM

Micronaut: Abox: Micronaut: Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.

It's the only way they'll learn.

So, you agree that rape is an abuse cycle and the future innocent victims are acceptable collateral damage?

1/10, troll.



Well when you put it that way with the mean voice...
 
2013-03-19 08:12:43 PM

Micronaut: You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


You make me laugh. What do you think prison should be? A walk in the garden picking daisies? Hey, I have an Idea! If you don't want to face the horrors of being in prison....don't commit crimes!
You and all the other holier-then-thou farkers in this thread are unbelievable. You wanna see a real prison, go to Turkey or Russia. The prisons in the US are a lot nicer in comparison. I am far from a conservative, but the bleeding-heart liberal apologists in this thread are really pathetic..
 
2013-03-19 08:13:16 PM

ongbok: This guy that I worked with was telling me about this guy he went to high school with in Iowa. When this guy was 18 he decapitated his girlfriend. When he was asked why he said that he didn't know why he did it, or even remember doing it. All he remembers was sitting in her kitchen arguing with her, then the next thing he remembers was being covered in blood running down the street. But any way the guy was sentenced to life, and after his third round of anal reconstructive surgery, he got around to killing himself.


The Aristocrats!
 
2013-03-19 08:16:28 PM
Aside from genuine physiological abnormalities the little twat is mentally ill.
But there's probably a reason for this remorseless rage. It would be interesting to know what happened to him to get to this point.
Or maybe not.
Maybe he's just a broken person and came out that way from the start, like some kids do, and nobody could do anything with him.
(Yes, they do come that way.)
Broken person.
 
2013-03-19 08:18:18 PM

Micronaut: You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


Well, the alternative is released father-rapers who haven't gotten laid in 20 years!
 
2013-03-19 08:19:09 PM

d1zzy32: I'm predicting an all-out BRAWL for the prisoners to decide who is going to make this kid his biatch.

/dibs!


They let you post on Fark from prison?
 
2013-03-19 08:19:12 PM
Hey guys, I just want you all to know that wanting people who do bad things to suffer makes you just as bad as a psychopathic murderer and I'm much better than you all because i blame others for his crimes
 
2013-03-19 08:20:33 PM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.


Ohio does have the death penalty.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:27 PM
You know, after that comment to the families they should just remove his penis.
 
2013-03-19 08:24:30 PM
I've never been to PMITA prison but I spent a few days in county jail, and let me tell you, the customer service there is just terrible.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:12 PM
Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.
 
2013-03-19 08:31:53 PM

Mija: Some people are just born bad. They have mental problems, demons, whatever. I'm sure the parents are heartbroken that a child they loved ruined his life and the lives of others.


According to the Wiki article on the shooting, his dad was / is a big pos as well.

Kidnapping, assault, etc.

It also said that the first person he targeted was banging his ex girlfriend.

Strange how little there's been in the media about this kid until now.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:04 PM

remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.


I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

If we could set some bar of proof high enough where it was infalliable, I think I could get on board easily with the death penalty for murderers. In fact, I'm certain I could. I just don't know how to do it and do it in a way where it can't be abused by people.

I just keep going back to the old phrase, "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely." What else, if not absolute power, is the state having control over if you live or die?
 
2013-03-19 08:36:00 PM
Resorting to violence to escape/punish bullies just puts you in another environment (prison) where the bullying is on a different level and you can no longer flee. Unfortunately someone didn't think his cunning plan through to completion.

Assuming that was his motivation.
 
2013-03-19 08:37:32 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That boy ain't right.


Yeah.  He's broken.  I don't want to see him suffer, or be raped in jail or anything like that.  I want him to have a nice, comfortable, long life in jail, just so long as he is never, ever set free.

Therapy and counseling is fine, too.  But it won't fix him.

/Please don't forget the "never, ever" part.
 
2013-03-19 08:40:54 PM
He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?
 
2013-03-19 08:43:13 PM

my lip balm addiction: Why the fark should prisoners be allowed to choose death when no one else is allowed to? People be suffering from some heinous diseases out there, have no quality of life and no hope of any and yet they are forced to remain alive against their will. You gonna give these real people the same right, or just the biatches who farking killed someone?


The discussion was about prisoners so I didn't bother to bring it up, but I also believe that assisted suicide for the terminally ill, or for those who will only spend the rest of their lives physically suffering, should be legal.
 
2013-03-19 08:44:23 PM

cannotsuggestaname: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?

Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.


I'm hoping he gets less then that before he gets killed.
 
2013-03-19 08:53:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!


As a criminal defense attorney that has worked on 24 murder cases, including a capital case, I can say is I have been there, and it isn't fun.

Often times in cases that carry major sentences the defendant ignores their attorney's advise and sabotages their case at every turn.  They realize they are most likely going to spend the majority, if not the entirety, of their life in prison and they are very angry (at everyone but themselves) and take it out in the worst possible way.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:46 PM

TwistedFark: remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.

I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

If we could set some bar of proof high enough where it was infalliable, I think I could get on board easily with the death penalty for murderers. In fact, I'm certain I could. I just don't know how to do it and do it in a way where it can't be abused by people.

I just keep going back to the old phrase, "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely." What else, if not absolute power, is the state having control over if you live or die?


Like I said, overwhelming certainty.  If there is a room full of witnesses, or crystal clear video, or they guy is admitting it and proud of it as he stands there with the murder weapon in his hands and blood all over.  That type of certainty.  Then it removes the possibility of punishing an innocent.  I know what you're saying, but there are cases where nobody can say the person even might be innocent.  Taking the death penalty completely off the table gives no room for these types of cases.  At the end of the day, a jury of 12 citizens has to agree, so the State simply can't just execute somebody because they feel like it.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:23 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


No. It's only OK for THIS guy, Stupid.
 
2013-03-19 08:58:51 PM

Magnanimous_J: Normally, I'd wish a painful death on a person like this. But this kid is SO young. He could easily live for 60 years in prison. Can you even fathom that amount of time? He has to spend the rest of his long life thinking every single day about what he could be doing if he wasn't in that cage. The accomplishments that he could have achieved, the women he could have been with, the family he could have raised. Things that he could have had, but will never have. He will spend a literal lifetime in tedious routine and shiatty food for year... after year.... After year. He'll never drive a car, drink a beer, smoke pot around a campfire with friends, lay on a beach, or touch a woman, ever again.


And at the end of that interminably long prison sentence, he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.

That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.


I kind of suspect he doesn't give a rat's ass. This is what a genuine psychopath looks and acts like. He really does not care and we as a society are lucky he ONLY killed three people instead of thirty. He really belongs in prison and is probably going to cause as much trouble there as he can before he gets shanked or put in the SHU permanently for the rest of his term.

People don't really believe in evil, but this kid is it. He's not right, and he's where he belongs.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:44 PM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."



A lifetime in prison is actually cheaper than execution, once you factor in the cost of appeals and such.  If your primary concern is saving money, then logically you should oppose capital punishment.

Personally, the main reason I'm opposed to capital punishment is that you can't do anything to correct a wrongful conviction if evidence proving innocence turns up later.  Not that I'm saying it would in this particular case; I'm speaking about capital punishment in general.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.


That's fine.  You're welcome to be as pro-death penalty as you like.  Just don't use "saving money" as a justification for your position.  Talk about justice, or deterrence, or something.  There are plenty of better arguments.
 
2013-03-19 09:06:40 PM

Confabulat: I've never been to PMITA prison but I spent a few days in county jail, and let me tell you, the customer service there is just terrible.


No hot baloney, eggs, & bacon?
 
2013-03-19 09:09:28 PM
When is the movie, TV-show and videogame coming? In that order...
There is money to be made here!
 
2013-03-19 09:14:41 PM
I forgot the first thing, THE BOOK!!!
 
2013-03-19 09:15:22 PM

meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!


Is Dexter ill today?
 
2013-03-19 09:18:26 PM

Captain Darling: Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.


For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.


Do you ever do anything in these threads other than misrepresent what other people say?
 
2013-03-19 09:20:23 PM

blanchae: He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?


Jail or prison, there is a difference.  A year in jail is a cake walk compared to a year in prison.

Unless that jail is Riker's Island
 
2013-03-19 09:27:28 PM
Broken.  Irreparable.  Dispose of him.
 
2013-03-19 09:30:52 PM

Great Janitor: blanchae: He's already spent over a year in jail and still defiant. Wonder how hard-time is going to work for him?

Jail or prison, there is a difference.  A year in jail is a cake walk compared to a year in prison.

Unless that jail is Riker's Island


Actually, not really. Jail is nasty. Jail has everyone all mixed together: Newly arrested, murderers, drunks, crazy people, rapists, gangbangers, sentenced, unsentenced, all in a mishmash. Some are old and tough, some new and scared, some just insane. The guards are all deputies who mostly just graduated the academy and found out they get to spend the next five years guarding prisoners instead of going out on the streets, so they're already pissed off even before prisoners get there. Plus, they're not trained to be guards, they're trained to be cops. It's kind of a mess.

In prison, prisoners get sorted by crime type, degree of dangerousness, length of sentence, chance of rehabilitation, etc. The guards are professional guards, so they're a little less pissed (although not less sadistic), and at least they know their stuff. The crazy people are mostly out of sight, and the really dangerous ones get their own rooms. Nearly anyone who's been in the system would rather be in prison than in jail. If, that is, they have to be locked up at all.
 
2013-03-19 09:34:31 PM

orbister: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?


Odd that I rarely hear that from women - a desire for proxy revenge via prison rape, I mean.
 
2013-03-19 09:38:36 PM
It is probably for the best he'll never breathe free air ever again.
 
2013-03-19 09:39:34 PM

JonnyG: Prisons are "supposed" to reform and rehabilitate. They most certainly do not, nor is it the intention of the justice system for that to be the case. People go to prison and become hardened and detached. What the hell is the point of a prison system if it does nothing to deter crime or rehabilitate people? Just fast track all the criminals to death - watch how fast crime drops. Sure, violent crimes may not drop, but the overall rate certainly will.



All other issues aside, life in prison and capital punishment both serve the same goal: making sure that this particular criminal never commits a crime ever again (unless it's against another prisoner).  The advantages of capital punishment in this scenario are a dead person cannot commit crimes against other prisoners, or escape, or be set free by an overly-merciful parole board.   The main advantage of life without parole in this scenario is that you can't take back an execution if the conviction is ever overturned for any reason.


Also, the problem with using capital punishment, or any other harsh sentence, to deter would-be criminals is that deterrence depends on two factors: (1) the harshness of the sentence for a particular crime, and (2) how likely a person contemplating that crime THINKS he is to be caught and convicted.

Unfortunately, when you're dealing with people who overestimate their chances of escaping conviction, deterrence doesn't work well.  Nor does it work well when potential criminals accurately estimate that their chances of getting away with it are high, either, for that matter.

Sadly, violent criminals tend not to be very forward-thinking individuals.  It's one of the many ways in which the  Dunning-Kruger effect screws us all over.  People who make poor life choices are unaware of the fact that they're making poor choices.
 
2013-03-19 09:44:40 PM

Micronaut: You farkers know what's not so funny about prison rape? The fact that both the raped and rapists will possibly walk among you someday.  Ha, ha. That guy who got raped in prison might someday be free and victimization is a cycle.

It's really funny that people get raped in prison. I hope you find male-on-maie rape so amusing when the released victim is raping one of your own kids. And, if you look at the stats on male rape, chances are high that when your child is raped they are going to suffer silently because boys are not supposed to get raped.

Forced sodomy as punishment and accepted by society? You farkers should be ashamed.


Don't worry, they'll change their stance the next time they read a story about Texas executing someone.
 
2013-03-19 09:46:01 PM
Execute this f*ck.
 
2013-03-19 09:53:58 PM

Talos: I'm so sick of hearing the "death penalty is more expensive" argument.  It is because of the endless appeals - often frivolous appeals - that are allowed.  How's this for food for thought?

If someone is given a death penalty sentence, they will receive an automatic appeal in one year.  That gives the defense attorney plenty of time to dig up new information, witnesses, whatever to present.  If the appeal is granted, new trial.  If the conviction stays, they are marched straight to the chamber and their sentence is executed (pun intended).

There - the person gets two chances to dodge the death penalty, court costs are minimized to a fraction of what they are now, and either way, justice is served in the manner that the majority of Americans expect it to be.


As food for thought, it's pretty dumb, honestly.

Entire books have been written on the death penalty.  I've read some of them.  No, that doesn't make me an expert, but it's enough to tell me that you haven't figured out a brilliant solution nobody's thought of yet.

Seriously, if all you care about is being efficient or saving money, then just abandon capital punishment altogether.  But your "I'm so sick of hearing" opening is a dead giveaway that you don't really give a damn about saving money --- that's a smokescreen to hide your real motive, which is something like justice or revenge.  Which is fine ... I don't mock that as a motive for capital punishment.  Just be HONEST about the fact that it isn't about money.

Honesty.  That's all I ask.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:02 PM
There are reports he suffers from hallucinations and other issues, which would indicate schizophrenia, if that's the case, finding him fit for trial is a bit of an issue itself.
 
2013-03-19 09:59:10 PM
Not that bullying isn't a major factor but- kids have been farking with less confident kids since the beginning of time. It's human nature for the ignorant.

School shootings are currently their claim to fame.

Price of free press.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:21 PM

seadoo2006: Slaxl: seadoo2006: meanmutton: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Just to be clear -- unrepentant murder of three innocent youths is less sickening than people thinking that a murderer getting killed is acceptable?

Yeah, you're kind of the sick fark in this one.

Eh, if you're going to murder three people that treat you like shiat 24/7, no, I don't think I'd be remorseful.  Granted I'm not a sociopath, but when I learned a couple years ago that a couple of bullies I had in elementary school died in a car wreck, I wasn't really sad.

I didn't bother reading about the story. So he only killed bullies? Or did he kill loads of people plus some bullies? I think if you're going to go for the mitigating circumstances it will fall apart if he killed or injured an innocent person. Also even if they were bullies, telling his parents you masturbate with the hand that killed them, still crosses the line of righteous vengeance, and into "oh he's crazy", land.

For the record I don't think killing bullies is cool, I'm just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.

We'll never know is true reasons, but from what I hear in the community (CHS is about 3 miles from where I live), the kids that got killed were loved by just about everyone, and just about everyone hated this kid.

He snapped, took out a few people he targeted and a bullet hit my coworkers nephew in the ear.

Until you're one of the kids that is near universally hated, I don't think many people can understand.  FWIW, I switched schools twice because the bullying was horrible.  Do I look back and see that I was most just an annoying know-it-all in elementary school? Sure, but when you get a ream of paper put in your desk with anonymously computer printed "We hate First_Name Last_Name", well, that's gonna screw some people up good for life.

I had therapy, and for the most part it worked and I never had murderous thoughts, ...


TLDR warning.

Well, I DID have murderous thoughts.  After being bullied constantly and having people trying to pick fights with me for years, one kid pushed me a little too far in 10th grade band and almost got his neck snapped for his trouble.  He almost did me the same favor a few years prior, so I felt justified at the time.  This time he attacked me and then rushed at me.  I was so fed up that my entire moral system just shut down, and in a rather cold and calculating manner I grabbed his head and attempted to break his neck.  Thankfully the other students in class figured this out and immediately grabbed me and separated us two.

No one told the teacher the extent of what occurred, just that there had been a fight, but word got around the school that I was a psychopath (sociopath was the better term, as I hated people except for a very few close friends) and thereafter nobody messed with me, except for one person who I basically told if he wanted to fight I was fine with it but that one of us wouldn't be walking away alive from it.  He declined to test me on that because of what happened prior.  In other words, I got exactly what I wanted - to be left alone.

Oddly enough I was an honor's student who was loved by all the teachers, who I actually got along quite well with (except one but that's a story for another day).  I just wanted the bullying to stop, and I didn't care how it stopped.  I didn't spend time plotting the killing of innocent students who had nothing to do with my pain and suffering.  I merely sent a message in what really was the last resort I had to do so.  This was a few years before Columbine, and when that occurred, I said to myself, "Those guys are idiots, taking out their anger on innocent students, but I understand their urge to kill, though I could never approve of it."

When you get to a certain level of mental and emotional torture, you just want to hit the "off" switch.  The difference in how that's accomplished depends on the personality of the person involved. Withdrawn and depressed kids usually just kill themselves.  Kids who feel a need for vengeance against certain individuals and are proactive will plan and actively seek to cause great harm or death to those who caused their pain.  Those who feel that the entire school and/or society as a whole is to blame just start randomly killing everyone they see.  People like me, who blame certain people and are reactionary rather than proactive wait for the final straw and then do something drastic to send a message.  Then you get truly sick people who think of it as a game, but that has very little to do with bullying and more to do with Charles Manson type sociopathy, i.e. people who are mentally ill beyond any possibility of help.

This kid is probably more of the kind that thinks society or the school is to blame, and chances are he was fully intending to kill himself when he was done, but got thwarted before he could do so or chickened out at the last minute.  Now he's trying to cause everyone as much pain as possible for all that he perceives everyone did to him.  Ultimately, he will probably hang himself in prison, if he's able to do so without getting caught, as a final act of defiance and a means to end his own pain.  Make everyone suffer as much as possible and then go out in a final defiant act.  If he lives more than a few years and receives psychiatric treatment, he'll probably change his mind and feel extreme remorse for what he did, but something tells me this guy won't make it that long.

As for me, for anyone who actually cares, it's amazing what a few years of therapy and not being bullied every single day will do for one's self-esteem.  I actually was quite social in college, though I hung out more with the geek/nerd crowd.  In law school I developed kind of a reputation as annoying because I actually looked forward to being called on in class and volunteered to answer questions frequently, but I didn't really much care about what people thought then, because I was the one graduating cum laude with a good future ahead of me.  I had several friends who I still get along with quite well when we're not on opposing sides in a case.  My views in life were also completely changed.  I took on a pacifist view of life and no longer believe that taking a human life is ever truly justified.  I'm the polar opposite of the person I was back then.  In other words, I'm living proof that people can change from a destructive and violent pattern of living into a constructive, caring and helpful one.
 
2013-03-19 10:02:07 PM
I wonder how many times Joran van der Sloot was raped before he had his first child.
 
2013-03-19 10:04:54 PM

ciberido: Do you ever do anything in these threads other than misrepresent what other people say?



There's no question that touting life without parole as the moral and cost-effective alternative to the death penalty has been a successful short-term strategy.

And he's right. A dishonest strategy that will soon outlive its usefulness, but a successful one.
 
2013-03-19 10:05:05 PM

Talos: scottydoesntknow: What about the people who were sentenced to death in the '90s?

Arizona Woman's Murder Conviction, Death Sentence Overturned

You can say it never happens, but that's not the case. Jurors will believe a cop over a person sitting in an orange jumpsuit 9 times out of 10, even when he's lying through his teeth.

But jurors don't get "just" a cop's say so anymore.  They get multiple witnesses, they get DNA evidence, they get surveillance evidence, they get firearm and blade forensic evidence, they get fingerprint, palm prints, foot prints, they get hair evidence, etc.  And at times they even get confessions.  So what about those that are without a doubt, they absolutely committed the crime and were given the death penalty? Are you satisfied that they get 20 appeals over the next 50 years when its been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever they are guilty?   That's why the death penalty is so expensive.


You watch way too much T.V. In many many cases there isn't any DNA evidence, or any of the evidence that you pointed out. Most of the time all you have is eyewitness testimony, victims ID and the police and prosecutors testifying to what they turned up in their investigation. And we know quite often victims and eyewitnesses are wrong in their ID. We also know that cops and prosecutors will exaggerate their evidence, and in some cases flat out lie if it will make a conviction happen. Many of these things aren't found out until many many years later.
 
2013-03-19 10:07:49 PM

Alonjar: Wonder what the "victims" did to make this guy so far off the deep end.

Hate like that doesn't just materialize.


Wow you're a douche.
 
2013-03-19 10:09:06 PM

Talos: Those figures are not accurate.  They're put out by a anti-death penalty group (deathpenalty.org) and the bulk of those numbers include people who the prosecutors asked for the death penalty, but were found not guilty by the jury.  In fact, this organization is hard pressed to provide a single example where in the last 50 years anyone has been wrongfully executed.

And yes, I also think DNA is great stuff - in fact, it reinforces my "one appeal and you're done" example. This isn't the early 60's and before anymore. People don't get sentenced to death just because one witness said so or a bad cop fudged evidence. There are major forensic and surveillance forces at work now and jurors demand to see it before convicting. If someone is sentenced to death these days, it's because they did the crime and it was horrific enough in nature to warrant the death penalty.



Wow, that's a pretty big whopper.  Here's Wikiepedia for the quick-and-easy rebuttal: "Between 1973 and 2005, 123 people in 25 states were released from death row when new evidence of their innocence emerged..."

Seriously, it's like you're not even trying.  If you're just going to make up crap, try to make it a little bit plausible at least.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:01 PM
He was such a nice boy. He used to cut my grass!
 
2013-03-19 10:11:38 PM

Treygreen13: 2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?

If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.


Uh ... no.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:57 PM

WhyteRaven74: There are reports he suffers from hallucinations and other issues, which would indicate schizophrenia, if that's the case, finding him fit for trial is a bit of an issue itself.


A person can be "crazy as a shiat-house rat", suffering from paranoia, psychosis and schizophrenia and still be legally sane. All the law cares is that at the time of the action was the person able to distinguish right from wrong. I don't think there is any question that in this case, he was sane. Not to say he does not have mental issues.
 
2013-03-19 10:15:46 PM

Summa cum loudly: I never said a thing about Hitler, you stupid fark. And FORGIVE ME if I spelled a word wrong, grammar Nazi. You know when people resort to pointing out misspellings right? When they know they are Full of Shiat! That would be you.....


Dude, switch to decaf.  Seriously.
 
2013-03-19 10:16:02 PM
Will we see him in Disneyland

/obscure?
 
2013-03-19 10:29:51 PM

gunther_bumpass: orbister: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

They don't just think it's OK - they want it to happen and they revel in the idea. Just how twisted does your mind need to be to fantasise about the rape and murder of a mentally ill teenager?

Odd that I rarely hear that from women - a desire for proxy revenge via prison rape, I mean.



Violent revenge fantasies seem to be largely a male thing.  Male victims of rape tend to have violent revenge fantasies much more so than female rape victims, for example (though of course women do, too, just less often).  I'm not sure why.  Also, when it comes to rape trauma, revenge fantasies are often tied to shame, though I doubt that is relevant to this thread.

Or maybe men are just socialized to think in terms of solving problems with violence.  I don't know.
 
2013-03-19 10:34:31 PM

Captain Darling: ciberido: Do you ever do anything in these threads other than misrepresent what other people say?


There's no question that touting life without parole as the moral and cost-effective alternative to the death penalty has been a successful short-term strategy.

And he's right. A dishonest strategy that will soon outlive its usefulness, but a successful one.


I stand corrected.  You DO contribute something to threads.  Cheers.
 
2013-03-19 10:38:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: Actually, not really. Jail is nasty. Jail has everyone all mixed together: Newly arrested, murderers, drunks, crazy people, rapists, gangbangers, sentenced, unsentenced, all in a mishmash. Some are old and tough, some new and scared, some just insane. The guards are all deputies who mostly just graduated the academy and found out they get to spend the next five years guarding prisoners instead of going out on the streets, so they're already pissed off even before prisoners get there. Plus, they're not trained to be guards, they're trained to be cops. It's kind of a mess.

In prison, prisoners get sorted by crime type, degree of dangerousness, length of sentence, chance of rehabilitation, etc. The guards are professional guards, so they're a little less pissed (although not less sadistic), and at least they know their stuff. The crazy people are mostly out of sight, and the really dangerous ones get their own rooms. Nearly anyone who's been in the system would rather be in prison than in jail. If, that is, they have to be locked up at all.


I just got talking about this with a friend, who said that in Oregon jail is way better.  In jail, at least if you have a job, you show up in the morning and leave at the end of the day a few days per week until your sentence is up.  30 days in jail then can end up taking three or four months, but it seems like a decent idea for helping people keep their job if it's a minor offense.  The other people you're in with for the day?  They all get to go home that night if they're good too, so they don't want to screw it up either.

It probably varies state to state, but Oregon's pretty broke and a lot of jails can't afford to watch a ton of people 24/7.  The ones who are a risk to themselves or others get kept in, but for minor crimes I've heard from quite a few people that it's a common way to serve a jail sentence here.
 
2013-03-19 10:40:48 PM
It's not that big deal that he killed a few people.  After all, they were only mundanes.
 
2013-03-19 10:46:18 PM
His sister talked to the media.
 
2013-03-19 10:55:50 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?


5 years.  Take the under.
 
2013-03-19 10:58:07 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


Wanna tell this to the families of the victims?  I'm sure they'll give you a shoulder to cry on.
 
2013-03-19 11:00:09 PM

fuhfuhfuh: For some, death would be a welcome release. For some, any attention no matter how negative, is attention that they crave.

This guy wants to be focused on. A death penalty would keep is ass in the news due to appeals. Putting him in general population would allow him to continue his attention whoring. This guy craves attention, no matter how it is received.

Put him in a dark, solitary cell. No human contact. No outside contact. No means of killing himself. Feed him the minimum required to continue living. Nothing to do but stare at a wall, until the day he dies. A punishment worse than death, because a death sentence means people will remember you (simply for the fact that just about everyone that gets a death sentence gets a spot in the infamous halls of fame). Wasting away forgotten and alone means no one will remember you.


Pretty much.  Let 'im rot.
 
2013-03-19 11:11:10 PM

Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."


See, now THIS one I like!  Let him know he's now just a number in the penal system.  While all of us get to live our life the best way we can, love the people we're with, this POS will just sit in a 6 x 8 cell knowing that between now and the end of his life, someone's gonna shank him, rape him, beat the hell out of him and no one, not even the prison guards, will really give a crap about his life.

That...will drive him insane.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:13 PM
Monster Dude:  "Why the fark you in here?"

Lane:  "......and then I flipped them off!"


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 11:20:13 PM

JeffreyScott: The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!

As a criminal defense attorney that has worked on 24 murder cases, including a capital case, I can say is I have been there, and it isn't fun.

Often times in cases that carry major sentences the defendant ignores their attorney's advise and sabotages their case at every turn.  They realize they are most likely going to spend the majority, if not the entirety, of their life in prison and they are very angry (at everyone but themselves) and take it out in the worst possible way.


That's...that's...all sorts of farked up there.  So you're trying to help your client beat this case and, instead of helping you, they decide "Fark it!  I'm gonna go in style!"

Seriously, how the hell you don't lose faith in being a def. atty?
 
2013-03-19 11:26:37 PM
nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: expensive, but worth it.

Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.

Captain Darling: For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.


Much of the anti-death-penalty movement wants a Norwegian-style system, like the sentence given to Anders Breivik, who methodically killed 77 people, mostly teenagers. Breivik will be out in 21 years, in the meantime, he has a dorm room with a window.
 
2013-03-19 11:32:23 PM

davidphogan: Gyrfalcon: Actually, not really. Jail is nasty. Jail has everyone all mixed together: Newly arrested, murderers, drunks, crazy people, rapists, gangbangers, sentenced, unsentenced, all in a mishmash. Some are old and tough, some new and scared, some just insane. The guards are all deputies who mostly just graduated the academy and found out they get to spend the next five years guarding prisoners instead of going out on the streets, so they're already pissed off even before prisoners get there. Plus, they're not trained to be guards, they're trained to be cops. It's kind of a mess.

In prison, prisoners get sorted by crime type, degree of dangerousness, length of sentence, chance of rehabilitation, etc. The guards are professional guards, so they're a little less pissed (although not less sadistic), and at least they know their stuff. The crazy people are mostly out of sight, and the really dangerous ones get their own rooms. Nearly anyone who's been in the system would rather be in prison than in jail. If, that is, they have to be locked up at all.

I just got talking about this with a friend, who said that in Oregon jail is way better.  In jail, at least if you have a job, you show up in the morning and leave at the end of the day a few days per week until your sentence is up.  30 days in jail then can end up taking three or four months, but it seems like a decent idea for helping people keep their job if it's a minor offense.  The other people you're in with for the day?  They all get to go home that night if they're good too, so they don't want to screw it up either.

It probably varies state to state, but Oregon's pretty broke and a lot of jails can't afford to watch a ton of people 24/7.  The ones who are a risk to themselves or others get kept in, but for minor crimes I've heard from quite a few people that it's a common way to serve a jail sentence here.


Depends a lot on the jail, too. I've no doubt that the Pitchess Detention Center (an LA County Jail) is going to be worse than Yolo County simply because of the size and number of people in it. Los Angeles County has five or six jails. I know El Dorado County has about two.
 
2013-03-19 11:53:15 PM

JungleBoogie: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: expensive, but worth it.

Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.

Captain Darling: For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.

Much of the anti-death-penalty movement wants a Norwegian-style system, like the sentence given to Anders Breivik, who methodically killed 77 people, mostly teenagers. Breivik will be out in 21 years, in the meantime, he has a dorm room with a window.


This is fairly key, though:

If found to be mentally fit, Breivik would face a sentence of "preventive detention." Unlike a regular prison sentence -- which can be no longer than 21 years in Norway -- that confinement option can be extended for as long as an inmate is considered dangerous to society. It also offers more programs and therapy than an ordinary prison sentence.

So, while he might be released like Varg Vikernes, he could simply end up like Manson.
 
2013-03-20 12:25:10 AM
Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

LaraAmber: Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Reverend J: Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


The problem with rehabilitation is that there's no reliable way to tell that an offender is rehabilitated. No chicken-breast timer pops out and says, "He's rehabilitated!" The offender is an intelligent individual with every incentive to pretend to be rehabilitated.

For example, take the case of Lawrence Singleton, the fellow who in 1978, picked up a 15-year-old girl hitchhiking, raped her, bludgeoned her, chopped her arms off and left her to die. Incredibly, she didn't die and was able to identify him. Per the rehabilitative, Norwegian model which was big in the 70s, he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

It was a rehabilitative sentence, when the mindset of the country's lawmakers was to try and rehabilitate prisoners. Unfortunately, Mr. Singleton, in spite of his relatively short (or too long, depending on your perspective) sentence, re-offended, as violent predators are wont to do. This time, in 1997, he murdered another woman (a mother of three, working as a prostitute). In the late 90s, the country's understanding of criminals and crime had shifted to a retributive stance, with a focus on deterrence and preventing recidivism, and which, as expected, coincided with a significant drop in the murder rate. As a result, Singleton was sentenced to death. He died in prison prior to his execution, and was unable to harm anyone else.

So the problem with rehabilitative sentences is three-fold:

1) There is no reliable way to determine if the prisoner is rehabilitated.
2) If rehabilitation fails, the offender can and all too often does, re-offend.
3) For certain grisly crimes, in my opinion, there should be no second chance. Both from a justice perspective, a central issue that is usually lost in these debates, and because the cost of failure is too high.
 
2013-03-20 12:31:39 AM

ciberido: Treygreen13: 2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?

If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.

Uh ... no.


Uh ... yes.

It's ridiculous to make this about Republicans to begin with, but if you think "locked in a cage being watched until you die" is "less government" then you're bonkers.
 
2013-03-20 12:52:54 AM
remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.

TwistedFark: I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.


Some people seem to think that the death penalty is the only risk of death to innocent people. There's a risk from driving, flying, construction, manufacturing. And of course, people are murdered while incarcerated. So, it's not like one could do away with the death penalty and do away with the risk of the innocent dying.

The risk of wrongful execution needs to be balanced with the benefits of the death penalty. The death penalty prevents the offender from re-offending, it almost certainly deters (and if it doesn't, you're doing justice to murderers), and it is the closest thing to justice we have.
 
2013-03-20 01:02:06 AM

Treygreen13: ciberido: Treygreen13: 2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?

If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.

Uh ... no.

Uh ... yes.


I'm sorry, but what you said was so stupid that not worth more than two syllables of refutation.  I COULD type a long explanation of why it's wrong, but you wouldn't understand it.  And nobody else in the thread would need it.
 
2013-03-20 01:05:17 AM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


trollolololol
 
2013-03-20 01:09:04 AM

ciberido: Treygreen13: ciberido: Treygreen13: 2headedboy: JonnyG: The Stealth Hippopotamus: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

expensive, but worth it.

Only because of the bleeding hearts. People like this don't deserve appeals. Sorry, but the only way to peace is to eliminate hate. Sure, we'll lose a few innocents, but in the end the world will be a happy place.

Isn't it funny how conservatives scream and wail for less government except when it comes to state authorized murder?

If anything, feeding and monitoring prisoners for their entire natural life is more government.

Uh ... no.

Uh ... yes.

I'm sorry, but what you said was so stupid that not worth more than two syllables of refutation.  I COULD type a long explanation of why it's wrong, but you wouldn't understand it.  And nobody else in the thread would need it.


Don't forget to take your ball with you when you go home.
 
2013-03-20 01:57:21 AM

JungleBoogie: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: expensive, but worth it.

Paris1127: The SOB was 17 when he shot up his school, so he's ineligible as per the Supreme Court (Roper v. Simmons, 543 US 551, 2005). While they cannot execute him, they can lock him up in a supermax prison, depriving him of most human contact for the rest of his life, which is both cheaper and possibly as bad as or worse than death.

Captain Darling: For now. Remember these threads before Roper? Death is preferable, prison is the harsher punishment, abolish the death penalty and keep the bastards locked up for the rest of their lives. Now that the Supreme Court has obliged, life imprisonment is the new worst thing ever, only loser countries do it, etc etc. The same talking points and lawsuits will now be used in an effort to get life sentences outlawed.

Much of the anti-death-penalty movement wants a Norwegian-style system, like the sentence given to Anders Breivik, who methodically killed 77 people, mostly teenagers. Breivik will be out in 21 years, in the meantime, he has a dorm room with a window.


After 21 years he will have served his sentence, but the Norwegian government may decide to keep him in custody for the safety of the public. So he may never leave prison, which despite its "luxuries" is still prison.
 
2013-03-20 02:16:33 AM

JungleBoogie: Some people seem to think that the death penalty is the only risk of death to innocent people. There's a risk from driving, flying, construction, manufacturing. And of course, people are murdered while incarcerated. So, it's not like one could do away with the death penalty and do away with the risk of the innocent dying.

The risk of wrongful execution needs to be balanced with the benefits of the death penalty. The death penalty prevents the offender from re-offending, it almost certainly deters (and if it doesn't, you're doing justice to murderers), and it is the closest thing to justice we have.


Yes, you cannot 100% protect innocent people from dying in accidents, etc.  However, you can 100% protect innocent people from being killed by the state.

How the fark do you balance wrongful execution against anything?!  What you are interested in isn't any form of justice.  You are interested in sad abortions of the concept such as "eye for an eye" or, even worse, pure, vengeful blood lust.  These are not things that any system of justice should be involved in.
 
2013-03-20 02:34:58 AM

gbv23: Those bullies had it coming. Stay defiant


this little puke shot kids at random, champ.
 
2013-03-20 03:26:18 AM

ShadowWolf: I bet he is truly crying on the inside though..


Well, one of the witnesses in court said he sounded like a scared little kid and talked so fast when he said that reprehensible quote that "no one could understand him."

I think it is unfortunate, especially for people who are in for non-violent drug crimes, that the prison culture is such that this kid's fate is clear to most of us. It would be nice if sexual assault was not a part of prison life, but we all know it is, and a kid like this, unless he kills someone in prison, is destined to be some guy's biatch.
 
2013-03-20 03:31:01 AM

Great Janitor: My personal belief is that instead of life without parole, we might as well just do the humane thing and execute.


That's like saying "Instead of torturing to death, we might as well do the humane thing and hang". The humane thing would not be passing sentences like life without parole in the first place
 
2013-03-20 03:32:26 AM

skantea: After the mid twenties it gets extremely hard for people to change.


Quite the opposite. The rate of offending plummets spectacularly around the age of 28. Crime is a young man's activity.
 
2013-03-20 04:19:13 AM

Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution...


While I don't hold life sacred and have no problem with killing people who deserve it whatsoever, part of me likes not having the death penalty. Living in a box, day in, day out, getting raped and/or beaten at any moment everyday is far better than snuffing him and letting him have the coward's way out. I just wish prisons were so much worse than they are, with horrible food, no activities, no television, no internet, nothing but breaking big hard rocks and eating stale bread and drinking lukewarm water while watching your ass 24/7 for the inevitable ass rape you KNOW is coming...

But all the same, farks like these always act so tough now, but after a month or two of prison, are crying messes of pleading.
 
2013-03-20 05:26:35 AM

JungleBoogie: remus: Cases like this are why I support the Death Penalty.  I am more than willing to raise the bar so that it can only be applied in cases where there is overwhelming certainty of guilt (room full of witnesses, HD Video of the crime, wearing a shirt with "killer" written on it, admitting you did it, and flipping off/cussing out the victim's parents, etc.).  But, in those cases, why not streamline the appeals process so the execution takes place while people still remember the crime?  That would save money and keep it from drawing out 20 years.

TwistedFark: I think a lot of people misconstrue the anti-death penalty argument. For me, it's not about coddling killers and murderers, it's about not trusting our system to be infallible. I, like a lot of people, would rather we just see murderers locked up for life, than to wrongly execute an innocent person. The former just denys out lack of vengance, the later is just abhorrent.

Some people seem to think that the death penalty is the only risk of death to innocent people. There's a risk from driving, flying, construction, manufacturing. And of course, people are murdered while incarcerated. So, it's not like one could do away with the death penalty and do away with the risk of the innocent dying.

The risk of wrongful execution needs to be balanced with the benefits of the death penalty. The death penalty prevents the offender from re-offending, it almost certainly deters (and if it doesn't, you're doing justice to murderers), and it is the closest thing to justice we have.


You're creating a false argument that the death penalty is the only option. Life incarceration protects the public just as well without the risk of sentancing an innocent person to death.
 
2013-03-20 05:35:47 AM

nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.


I'll start tying weights to your ankles then tell you it takes too much effort to run so you might as well not do it.
 
2013-03-20 05:49:10 AM

randomjsa: nekom: You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

I'll start tying weights to your ankles then tell you it takes too much effort to run so you might as well not do it.


I bet you'll be one of the first people to sound off on your outrage the next time Fark links to a story of some southern state executes a mentally-incompetent inmate after denying him his last hearing.
 
2013-03-20 06:04:23 AM

super_grass: I bet you'll be one of the first people to sound off on your outrage the next time Fark links to a story of some southern state executes a mentally-incompetent inmate after denying him his last hearing.


Most of the posters on this thread will be too busy masturbating to the image to be able to post.
 
2013-03-20 06:23:00 AM
Stupid bengals fans
 
2013-03-20 06:36:56 AM

silvervial: a kid like this, unless he kills someone in prison, is destined to be some guy's biatch.


Delightful though Farkers' sexual assault fantasies are, I suspect this is a more likely outcome. One on one people get raped because they're either overpowered or less terrified of being raped than of being killed. I seriously doubt this lunatic has any qualms about ripping out his attacker's jugular.
 
2013-03-20 07:15:46 AM

meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.


Quite possibly the best video/song ever.
Fun as hell to make stoners watch.
 
2013-03-20 07:21:13 AM

FarkinNortherner: silvervial: a kid like this, unless he kills someone in prison, is destined to be some guy's biatch.

Delightful though Farkers' sexual assault fantasies are, I suspect this is a more likely outcome. One on one people get raped because they're either overpowered or less terrified of being raped than of being killed. I seriously doubt this lunatic has any qualms about ripping out his attacker's jugular.


Yeah, because he's either a) a big guy
b) a ninja c) you're a farktard
 
2013-03-20 07:23:49 AM
Capital punishment isn't about justice of being a deterrent to crime.  It's purely about public retribution.  Read all the comments above, there's your proof.  When a kid like this, acts like he does, the public wants vengeance.  Jail isn't enough.  They want death.

I must admit that I am no different.  The death penalty is disgusting to me, and yet I support it.
 
2013-03-20 07:43:30 AM

Close2TheEdge: Capital punishment isn't about justice of being a deterrent to crime.  It's purely about public retribution.  Read all the comments above, there's your proof.  When a kid like this, acts like he does, the public wants vengeance.  Jail isn't enough.  They want death.

I must admit that I am no different.  The death penalty is disgusting to me, and yet I support it.


This is the reason why I can't support it (sorry for the daily fail link): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293593/Debra-Milke-Arizona-m o ther-sentenced-death-killing-4-year-old-son-1989-conviction-TOSSED--se t-freed-unless-state-decides-retry-her.html

Basically this:

1) No witnesses.
2) No motive.
3) No evidence.
4) Murderer who led the cops to the body refuses to implicate or testify against the woman.
5) Cop who said she confessed to him (and only to him) has a history of lying under oath and violating miranda (also got a BJ from a female motorist for getting out of a ticket and lied about it)

Net result: She spent 22 years on death row. Not only that but the prosecutor in AZ is adamant he wants to retry the case. This, despite like I said above - no evidence.

Our criminal justice system is a farking nightmare and the stakes are high (as high as your life in some states).

As I mentioned previously - I am not morally opposed to punishing murderers with death. I am however, pretty fundementally opposed to allowing our current justice system to mete out that punishment because it's so open to abuse, like in this case where all it took was one cop to lie under oath to get a conviction. That should scare the fark out of anyone, if it doesn't - you have awesome powers of self delusion to think that this doesn't matter to you.
 
2013-03-20 07:51:00 AM

scotchcrotch: Yeah, because he's either a) a big guy
b) a ninja c) you're a farktard


Really? A psychopath, unafraid of dying himself, isn't a more formidable target for a lone attacker than someone who is terrified of being hurt if they don't acquiesce to the attacker's demands? He's not a big guy, but he has nails, teeth, and the same access to makeshift weapons as any other prisoner.
 
2013-03-20 08:13:37 AM
This is an example of a time when re-enacting the ending of "Lady Vengeance" is perfectly appropriate.
 
2013-03-20 08:50:50 AM
It would be interesting to know how many of the vengeful here think that convicted female murderers should be put in men's prisons to be raped to death as well. Any of you care to support that idea?
 
2013-03-20 09:02:44 AM

orbister: It would be interesting to know how many of the vengeful here think that convicted female murderers should be put in men's prisons to be raped to death as well. Any of you care to support that idea?


Sure I will.

Criminals are not people or even animals at this point. I would be as concerned with putting a hammer and a saw in the same toolbox.
 
2013-03-20 09:15:43 AM
Magnanimous_J: 
...he will have to face the knowledge that he accomplished absolutely nothing and died insignificant and alone, completely forgotten by the world and everyone in it.


That is, provided no one ganks him in 3 weeks.


You have basically described the life of a goodly percentage of Farkers, including yours truly. I think his punishment should be a bit harsher.
 
2013-03-20 09:17:10 AM

meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.


And quoting one of the best albums ever that probably 5 people on Fark have ever heard of gets you favorited.
 
2013-03-20 09:23:56 AM
Why did the judge allow this performance? People have been frog-marched back to their cells for far, far less.
 
2013-03-20 09:53:26 AM

cannotsuggestaname: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Have fun in jail....


anyone want to set the over/under?

Dahmer lasted 2 years before they got him. I don't expect this guy to make it past 12 months with his attitude.




Yeah, "attitude" is the problem.
 
2013-03-20 10:03:06 AM

Pesky_Humans: meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.

And quoting one of the best albums ever that probably 5 people on Fark have ever heard of gets you favorited.


i.ytimg.com
 
2013-03-20 10:42:08 AM
Let's get it over with, already.
nekki.ru

I'm sure Sheriff Joe would love for his swanky pad to be called a Ludus instead of a rapeatorium.
 
2013-03-20 11:05:19 AM

davidphogan: His sister talked to the media.


I'd hit that.
 
2013-03-20 01:07:18 PM

seadoo2006: Profedius: I want to become his pen pal so I can send him letters such as "Had a great day out at the beach with the girlfriend we laid out and swam in the morning then in the afternoon we took out a sailboat. We ended up having sex on the sailboat and then that evening I made love to her on the beach as the sunset. We then had a wonderful steak dinner where the steak could be cut with a fork afterwards we had drinks and danced at a club. We got back to the hotel around 12 am and had sex about three times before taking a shower together then falling asleep in each other's arms. How was your day? Oh wait never mind I don't want to know because you are locked up in prison and will never get out."

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2013/03/19/news/doc5148ad9c2b79d 67 8337531.txt

Replace "girlfriend" with "sister" and you might have a winner there ... oh, wait a couple years though ... you don't want to be in the clink with him.


Wow she is very good looking. I could go for replacing girlfriend for sister.
 
2013-03-20 01:35:28 PM

nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.


No it's not....

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-20 01:57:00 PM

Slaxl: The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!

No, I think he's saying "Thank god this case is over, what a complete and utter shiatbag, once this is done i'm gonna go and punch his parents".


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Hey, is that an iPad in the picture? Cool! It's the last time he'll get this close to one I suspect.

The attorney and deputies actually seem bored with the guy. They are just waiting for this to be over.  I can almost read them thinking, "enjoy this- this is your last big moment in life, you stupid ******. You have sacrificed everything, and then some, to get your 5 minutes of attention from people you don't even know and who will forget about you in a week. Tonight, I will be in a comfortable home with my family. Especially comfortable, by comparison to where you are heading. We only have to put up with you for another 30 minutes. You will never stop having to put up with this. You will never have a happy day the rest of your life."
 
2013-03-20 02:55:53 PM

ferretman: nekom: Livingroom: of course, we cant have a death penalty. instead this guy gets to live out his life on our dime. wtf. this guy should be the poster child for execution, especially with his little quote.

FTFA: Lane offered one harsh sentence of his own: "The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. fark all of you."

You do realize that the death penalty is more expensive, don't you? Legal fees and all that.

/fark that guy, life in a hole works just fine for him.

No it's not....

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Oooh, yeah!  Maybe the next guy will be black so we can tar and feather him too!  Whee!!
 
2013-03-20 05:27:46 PM
He was obviously bullied as kid
 
2013-03-20 05:43:35 PM

Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.


I'm all for rehabilitationg prisoners who aren't complete wastes of flesh, but guys like this deserve brutal, agonizing death. Period. End of story.
 
2013-03-20 08:21:12 PM

strangveyn: Reverend J: LaraAmber: Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.

Okay?  No.  A viable alternative until the Government allows us to start catapulting people into the sun?  Yes.

Or, you know, we could have a system that rehabilitates prisoners like the rest of the civilized world.  But don't let me get in your way of need wanton violence.

I'm all for rehabilitationg prisoners who aren't complete wastes of flesh, but guys like this deserve brutal, agonizing death. Period. End of story.


Meh, just shoot him. Not everyone can be rehabilitated in the first place. Some crimes, like his, should just void any right to rehabilitation. They certainly void his right to continue to use any of this planet's resources to stay alive. Just shoot him and maybe donate his organs.
 
2013-03-20 08:32:44 PM

mama's_tasty_foods: Slaxl: The Stealth Hippopotamus: oh wow. the defense lawyers face is priceless. wtf is that?? Is he? No!? He can't, but he is?!

No, I think he's saying "Thank god this case is over, what a complete and utter shiatbag, once this is done i'm gonna go and punch his parents".

[hypervocal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 850x616]

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Hey, is that an iPad in the picture? Cool! It's the last time he'll get this close to one I suspect.

The attorney and deputies actually seem bored with the guy. They are just waiting for this to be over.  I can almost read them thinking, "enjoy this- this is your last big moment in life, you stupid ******. You have sacrificed everything, and then some, to get your 5 minutes of attention from people you don't even know and who will forget about you in a week. Tonight, I will be in a comfortable home with my family. Especially comfortable, by comparison to where you are heading. We only have to put up with you for another 30 minutes. You will never stop having to put up with this. You will never have a happy day the rest of your life."


I get what you're saying, but seeing as he's swearing at the parents of the people he killed I seriously doubt they are going to forget him in a week.
 
2013-03-20 08:57:04 PM

orbister: It would be interesting to know how many of the vengeful here think that convicted female murderers should be put in men's prisons to be raped to death as well. Any of you care to support that idea?


Unless he is going to a women's prison, I'm not sure what your point is. Nice strawman.
 
2013-03-20 09:01:58 PM

Ritley: The fact that most people think its OK for people to be raped/killed in prison is more sickening than this crime.


No the fact that you are defending him is what is sickening.
 
2013-03-20 09:09:32 PM
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NotoriousW.O.P: I don't think I've said this since the Newtown shooting, but WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?


Wait a minute.  Don't you know that nobody died in Newtown???  It was all a big scam, a hoax, a narrative, a story...  Total B.S.  It was all about scaring people and justification for banning guns, or certain kinds of guns .

/you can search for and discover much of the truth online
 
2013-03-20 09:18:00 PM
I am not familiar with the back story.  Is this one of those got-bullied-and-finally-snapped issues?
 
2013-03-20 11:15:23 PM

Pesky_Humans: meat0918: That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Ranagazoo, let's have a tune
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

//Got nothing.

And quoting one of the best albums ever that probably 5 people on Fark have ever heard of gets you favorited.


More than 5 people, seeing as the video was in the Video tab a few times.
 
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