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2013-03-20 11:46:27 AM

redmid17: Actually putting in some effort to determine root causes and address those first has been pretty successful. That require some work though.


^^ Right here...  Can't be repeated enough.
 
2013-03-20 02:08:56 PM

Marcintosh: what else has worked?


According to the violent crime statistics, whatever we've been doing up until now has been working.

Marcintosh: A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow at least according to the capitalists.


Unenforceable laws are not part of "a good plan". In fact, that would be the exact opposite of a good plan. Tack on the fact that even if they had been enforceable they still wouldn't even slow down criminals, and you've made laws that not only can't help, but actually hurt.
 
2013-03-20 02:36:07 PM
Amos Quito: *snip* stupid image *snip*

Nah, I live in Washington and have no problem with our new drug laws.... And the politicians in every state are really this stupid, and this applies to both "sides". They make laws based on their constituents "feelings" and on the likelihood of the laws gaining them more power in some way, not on actual logic or knowledge.
 
2013-03-20 07:14:09 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Marcintosh: what else has worked?

According to the violent crime statistics, whatever we've been doing up until now has been working.

Marcintosh: A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow at least according to the capitalists.

Unenforceable laws are not part of "a good plan". In fact, that would be the exact opposite of a good plan. Tack on the fact that even if they had been enforceable they still wouldn't even slow down criminals, and you've made laws that not only can't help, but actually hurt.


do something then, come up with something else that works like background checks, annual range day something -
at any rate if you just can't think of anything at all just don't be obstructionist.

Unenforceable laws - have you perhaps seen how the BATFE has been hobbled by the NRA and other lobbyist organizations (abetted by bought and paid for congress) by inserting language making many laws unenforceable against those that would do us harm?  That is an outrage.

Why does the BATFE have the same staffing numbers as they had in 1973?  Why is that I wonder.  How is it that in 1996 the CDC was stopped from investigating gun violence?  1996-2013 ban on it how come?

But-
The fix is in and I think the best we can do is to keep asking the hard questions because when even members of congress and presidents and LITTLE KIDS get shot and killed nothing happens.
 
2013-03-20 07:22:09 PM

Marcintosh: Noticeably F.A.T.: Marcintosh: what else has worked?

According to the violent crime statistics, whatever we've been doing up until now has been working.

Marcintosh: A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow at least according to the capitalists.

Unenforceable laws are not part of "a good plan". In fact, that would be the exact opposite of a good plan. Tack on the fact that even if they had been enforceable they still wouldn't even slow down criminals, and you've made laws that not only can't help, but actually hurt.

do something then, come up with something else that works like background checks, annual range day something -
at any rate if you just can't think of anything at all just don't be obstructionist.

Unenforceable laws - have you perhaps seen how the BATFE has been hobbled by the NRA and other lobbyist organizations (abetted by bought and paid for congress) by inserting language making many laws unenforceable against those that would do us harm?  That is an outrage.

Why does the BATFE have the same staffing numbers as they had in 1973?  Why is that I wonder.  How is it that in 1996 the CDC was stopped from investigating gun violence?  1996-2013 ban on it how come?

But-
The fix is in and I think the best we can do is to keep asking the hard questions because when even members of congress and presidents and LITTLE KIDS get shot and killed nothing happens.


And exactly how do you enforce a an on a magazine that can hold, or be modified to hold more than an arbitrary number of rounds?  Tell me.  I'm waiting.  Have you ever seen one?  Held one???  Taken one apart?  It's a farking sheet metal box (or polymer) with a spring in it.  I can make one in my garage.  And the POS Virginia Tech shooter did what he did with 2 handguns and STANDARD (not high) capacity magazines.  So, obviously restricting what law abiding non-psychotic killers to what he had when he killed OVER 30 PEOPLE will prevent someone from doing exactly what he did all over again.  Got it.
Logic fail.  And this is exactly why I hate it when people go on about "common sense" laws.  the are usually the ones least qualified to do something that will make a difference, but they sure enjoy the grandstanding!
 
2013-03-20 08:48:09 PM
Farkage: Marcintosh: Noticeably F.A.T.: Marcintosh: what else has worked?
According to the violent crime statistics, whatever we've been doing up until now has been working.
Marcintosh: A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow at least according to the capitalists.
Unenforceable laws are not part of "a good plan". In fact, that would be the exact opposite of a good plan. Tack on the fact that even if they had been enforceable they still wouldn't even slow down criminals, and you've made laws that not only can't help, but actually hurt.
do something then, come up with something else that works like background checks, annual range day something -
at any rate if you just can't think of anything at all just don't be obstructionist.
Unenforceable laws - have you perhaps seen how the BATFE has been hobbled by the NRA and other lobbyist organizations (abetted by bought and paid for congress) by inserting language making many laws unenforceable against those that would do us harm?  That is an outrage.
Why does the BATFE have the same staffing numbers as they had in 1973?  Why is that I wonder.  How is it that in 1996 the CDC was stopped from investigating gun violence?  1996-2013 ban on it how come?
But-
The fix is in and I think the best we can do is to keep asking the hard questions because when even members of congress and presidents and LITTLE KIDS get shot and killed nothing happens.


And exactly how do you enforce a an on a magazine that can hold, or be modified to hold more than an arbitrary number of rounds?  Tell me.  I'm waiting.  Have you ever seen one?  Held one???  Taken one apart?  It's a farking sheet metal box (or polymer) with a spring in it.  I can make one in my garage.  And the POS Virginia Tech shooter did what he did with 2 handguns and STANDARD (not high) capacity magazines.  So, obviously restricting what law abiding non-psychotic killers to what he had when he killed OVER 30 PEOPLE will prevent someone from doing exactly what he did all ...


Matter of fact I have thankyouverymuch.  All it takes is duct tape and a pair of pliers to make an extended magazine.  There's no trick to it.  Standard mags run between 7 & 10 rounds.  From your text I think you have a bit of adrenaline cranking out now.  Imagine how swiftly you can change a magazine with shaking hands from an adrenaline over load.  You might just consider not making them any more.  Ms. Lanza isn't about to make an extended mag for her son Adam so there's a win.

Some how there aren't a lot of silencers (or suppressors as they're called around here). Though I see them for sale all over.

One place to start might not to be to permit further Kitchen Table gun stores.  Where someone gets an FFL but doesn't run a shop per se. They typically do it for the wholesale pricing on ammunition and weapons.  That would be a start.

Or do you think we should just leave things as they are, dead kids and all?  If you aren't working for a solution you're part of the problem sort of thing.
 
2013-03-20 09:09:12 PM

Marcintosh: Farkage: Marcintosh: Noticeably F.A.T.: Marcintosh: what else has worked?
According to the violent crime statistics, whatever we've been doing up until now has been working.
Marcintosh: A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow at least according to the capitalists.
Unenforceable laws are not part of "a good plan". In fact, that would be the exact opposite of a good plan. Tack on the fact that even if they had been enforceable they still wouldn't even slow down criminals, and you've made laws that not only can't help, but actually hurt.
do something then, come up with something else that works like background checks, annual range day something -
at any rate if you just can't think of anything at all just don't be obstructionist.
Unenforceable laws - have you perhaps seen how the BATFE has been hobbled by the NRA and other lobbyist organizations (abetted by bought and paid for congress) by inserting language making many laws unenforceable against those that would do us harm?  That is an outrage.
Why does the BATFE have the same staffing numbers as they had in 1973?  Why is that I wonder.  How is it that in 1996 the CDC was stopped from investigating gun violence?  1996-2013 ban on it how come?
But-
The fix is in and I think the best we can do is to keep asking the hard questions because when even members of congress and presidents and LITTLE KIDS get shot and killed nothing happens.

And exactly how do you enforce a an on a magazine that can hold, or be modified to hold more than an arbitrary number of rounds?  Tell me.  I'm waiting.  Have you ever seen one?  Held one???  Taken one apart?  It's a farking sheet metal box (or polymer) with a spring in it.  I can make one in my garage.  And the POS Virginia Tech shooter did what he did with 2 handguns and STANDARD (not high) capacity magazines.  So, obviously restricting what law abiding non-psychotic killers to what he had when he killed OVER 30 PEOPLE will prevent someone from doing exactly what he did all ...

Matter of fact I have thankyouverymuch.  All it takes is duct tape and a pair of pliers to make an extended magazine.  There's no trick to it.  Standard mags run between 7 & 10 rounds.  From your text I think you have a bit of adrenaline cranking out now.  Imagine how swiftly you can change a magazine with shaking hands from an adrenaline over load.  You might just consider not making them any more.  Ms. Lanza isn't about to make an extended mag for her son Adam so there's a win.

Some how there aren't a lot of silencers (or suppressors as they're called around here). Though I see them for sale all over.

One place to start might not to be to permit further Kitchen Table gun stores.  Where someone gets an FFL but doesn't run a shop per se. They typically do it for the wholesale pricing on ammunition and weapons.  That would be a start.

Or do you think we should just leave things as they are, dead kids and all?  If you aren't working for a solution you're part of the problem sort of thing.


Given the fact you haven't come up with a single thing that would actually do anything to solve the problem, I'd say you're doing nothing but grasping at straws. Unfortunately, those are straws that will do nothing but make things difficult for those of us that will never cause harm to anyone else, so I guess a hearty "screw you" is in order.
 
2013-03-20 09:15:15 PM
I feel the same way about cannabis.

The difference is in the harm to others.
 
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