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2013-03-19 07:04:13 PM  
Meanwhile...  the murder of a Gay person is somehow more important than the murder of a straight person.   The HATE CRIMES law is another Democratic and wasted vote getter.   Make new laws to make people feel special.....

Dumb-arse Demococques...
 
2013-03-19 07:05:28 PM  

redmid17: //handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address


They aren't scary looking enough, and too many gun owners will draw the line at taking their guns away. "Go ahead and take that guys EBR, I don't own one, and besides, he's just a crazy redneck. Wait, now you want my dinky little handgun! Why, this is an outrage!"
 
2013-03-19 07:06:40 PM  

biffstallion: Meanwhile...  the murder of a Gay person is somehow more important than the murder of a straight person.   The HATE CRIMES law is another Democratic and wasted vote getter.   Make new laws to make people feel special.....

Dumb-arse Demococques...


Is this a gun thread, or the general sexually insecure white boy whine about everything thread?
 
2013-03-19 07:10:37 PM  

tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: Fark It: tom baker's scarf: So offer up and support a meaningful alternative. If your leaders aren't going to contribute in a useful way then you are going to get stuck with whatever comes down the pike.

The rest of the country is under no obligation to share your paranoia or live under the consequences of it.

Said every advocate of the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless wire-tapping, and 4th-amendment-skirting drug laws.

WippitGuud: Full circle: You don't need a 30 round clip exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need semi-automatic weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need revolvers or lever-action weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need cartridge-based ammunition to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need rifled barrels to exercise your right to bear arms.

The founding fathers overthrew the government with (mostly) smooth bore and single shot weapons. Are you saying you aren't as patriotic as them? Is your belief on liberty so weak you can't walk in their footsteps?

If the slippery slope starts with "you can't have 30 round mags" and moves at its current pace we will be extinct long before we even get doing something useful about assault weapons.

They also had cannons, warships, and no laws regarding the open or concealed carry of any type of weapon. Careful what bad arguments you try to bring into a debate.

/assault weapons aren't that big of a problem
//handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address

You new not give me a history lesson. The American warships were largely ineffective and you bet your ass the British had laws about carrying guns leading up to and during the war.

I'll make you a deal. We get serious about gun control in this country and I'll fully support any plan you want to put forward pertaining to the ownership of 6lb horse or 12lb foot artillery.


I'm not sure I get your first sentence. It's either missing a word or misspelled. Regardless, they still used those warships and artillery to fight the British. The British laws also weren't in effect, you know, since we were in rebellion. None of those laws existed until the early 1800s (ie Kentucky prohibited concealed carry in 1813).

I'll get serious about gun laws when you try not to nibble away at the right itself by passing laws which are largely symbolic and utterly useless in reducing any type of violence. The least you could do is try to focus on why the violence is being committed and the most common type of weapon. Assault weapons are not, and have not ever, been a significant* problem in this country when it comes to firearms violence.  Focus on poverty, the drug war, and enact long term effective universal healthcare and we can talk. Don't worry, you have my full support on those.

*high visibility =/= high significange
 
2013-03-19 07:11:02 PM  

jso2897: biffstallion: Meanwhile...  the murder of a Gay person is somehow more important than the murder of a straight person.   The HATE CRIMES law is another Democratic and wasted vote getter.   Make new laws to make people feel special.....

Dumb-arse Demococques...

Is this a gun thread, or the general sexually insecure white boy whine about everything thread?


To be fair their is a pretty big overlap between the gun nuts and the insecure whiney white boys
 
2013-03-19 07:11:31 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: redmid17: //handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address

They aren't scary looking enough, and too many gun owners will draw the line at taking their guns away. "Go ahead and take that guys EBR, I don't own one, and besides, he's just a crazy redneck. Wait, now you want my dinky little handgun! Why, this is an outrage!"


If that's not how it is, that's definitely how it comes across.
 
2013-03-19 07:15:54 PM  

WippitGuud: Fark It: WippitGuud: If the government enacts a ban against the manufacture or import of (in this case) a 30 round magazine, how does that infringe upon your rights?

If the government enacts a ban against the manufacture or import of abortion-inducing drugs or machine vacuums for abortions, how does that infringe upon your rights?

Are you asking if they banning just those methods of abortion, and leaving other options legal, or banning all methods of abortion? Obviously, if they ban all forms, it's infringing on your rights. Just as if they banned all firearms, it would be infringing on your rights.


Not all abortions. Just any abortion after the second week of the pregnancy. That is reasonable.
 
2013-03-19 07:16:25 PM  

tom baker's scarf: jso2897: biffstallion: Meanwhile...  the murder of a Gay person is somehow more important than the murder of a straight person.   The HATE CRIMES law is another Democratic and wasted vote getter.   Make new laws to make people feel special.....

Dumb-arse Demococques...

Is this a gun thread, or the general sexually insecure white boy whine about everything thread?

To be fair their is a pretty big overlap between the gun nuts and the insecure whiney white boys


Venn diagrams annoy me. Don't you start that shiat with me, motherf**ker.
 
2013-03-19 07:20:28 PM  

Mr. Titanium: The Sheriff says the laws are unenforceable.  How is it unenforceable to charge for a background check?  If you don't get paid, you don't do the check.  Seems pretty simple to enforce.


That's actually the one point in which I most sympathize with these sheriffs.  Not the legal question, but the idea of making someone pay for their own background checks bothers me.  If the government is going to tell its citizens "you must do X if you want to do Y" then I would, in general, like to see "X" paid for via tax revenue.

That's in general.  I reserve the right to argue for exceptions to that principle on a case-by-case basis.  This being Fark, I know some chucklehead's likely to jump all over this.
 
2013-03-19 07:22:12 PM  

I Ate Shergar: cman: Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!

Sherifs are elected officials. I dont know how they do it in Colorado, so maybe you can answer me this. Can the state remove a Sherif from power? The only ways that I could think of that the state could fire him is if the sherif were convicted of a crime

The Sherif don't like it.



Drop some bombs between the minarets.  He'll come 'round.
 
2013-03-19 07:25:38 PM  

redmid17: tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: Fark It: tom baker's scarf: So offer up and support a meaningful alternative. If your leaders aren't going to contribute in a useful way then you are going to get stuck with whatever comes down the pike.

The rest of the country is under no obligation to share your paranoia or live under the consequences of it.

Said every advocate of the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless wire-tapping, and 4th-amendment-skirting drug laws.

WippitGuud: Full circle: You don't need a 30 round clip exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need semi-automatic weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need revolvers or lever-action weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need cartridge-based ammunition to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need rifled barrels to exercise your right to bear arms.

The founding fathers overthrew the government with (mostly) smooth bore and single shot weapons. Are you saying you aren't as patriotic as them? Is your belief on liberty so weak you can't walk in their footsteps?

If the slippery slope starts with "you can't have 30 round mags" and moves at its current pace we will be extinct long before we even get doing something useful about assault weapons.

They also had cannons, warships, and no laws regarding the open or concealed carry of any type of weapon. Careful what bad arguments you try to bring into a debate.

/assault weapons aren't that big of a problem
//handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address

You new not give me a history lesson. The American warships were largely ineffective and you bet your ass the British had laws about carrying guns leading up to and during the war.

I'll make you a deal. We get serious about gun control in this country and I'll fully support any plan you want to put forward pertaining to the ownership of 6lb horse or 12lb foot artillery.

I'm not sure I get your first sentence. It's either missing a word or misspelled. Regardless, they still used those warships and artillery to fight the British. The British laws also weren't in effect, you know, since we were in rebellion. None of those laws existed until the early 1800s (ie Kentucky prohibited concealed carry in 1813).

I'll get serious about gun laws when you try not to nibble away at the right itself by passing laws which are largely symbolic and utterly useless in reducing any type of violence. The least you could do is try to focus on why the violence is being committed and the most common type of weapon. Assault weapons are not, and have not ever, been a significant* problem in this country when it comes to firearms violence.  Focus on poverty, the drug war, and enact long term effective universal healthcare and we can talk. Don't worry, you have my full support on those.

*high visibility =/= high significange


Yep on the first sentence. Autocorrect and fat fingers are a tough combo.

I'm all for a multi pronged approach but at some point gun laws are going to need to, and stay with me here, actually deal with the guns.

If the law is stupid, unenforceable and won't do anything then why is everyone so afraid of it? If the gun lobby has such brilliant ideas about how to handle gun reform why don't they start doing that?
 
2013-03-19 07:28:17 PM  

ChuDogg: QUICK: HAS ANYBODY CALLED THEM  RACIST YET?!!?


Awwwwwww, I so sorry your strawman prediction failed.  Try not to cry.
 
2013-03-19 07:29:58 PM  
I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first
 
2013-03-19 07:31:32 PM  

tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: Fark It: tom baker's scarf: So offer up and support a meaningful alternative. If your leaders aren't going to contribute in a useful way then you are going to get stuck with whatever comes down the pike.

The rest of the country is under no obligation to share your paranoia or live under the consequences of it.

Said every advocate of the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless wire-tapping, and 4th-amendment-skirting drug laws.

WippitGuud: Full circle: You don't need a 30 round clip exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need semi-automatic weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need revolvers or lever-action weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need cartridge-based ammunition to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need rifled barrels to exercise your right to bear arms.

The founding fathers overthrew the government with (mostly) smooth bore and single shot weapons. Are you saying you aren't as patriotic as them? Is your belief on liberty so weak you can't walk in their footsteps?

If the slippery slope starts with "you can't have 30 round mags" and moves at its current pace we will be extinct long before we even get doing something useful about assault weapons.

They also had cannons, warships, and no laws regarding the open or concealed carry of any type of weapon. Careful what bad arguments you try to bring into a debate.

/assault weapons aren't that big of a problem
//handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address

You new not give me a history lesson. The American warships were largely ineffective and you bet your ass the British had laws about carrying guns leading up to and during the war.

I'll make you a deal. We get serious about gun control in this country and I'll fully support any plan you want to put forward pertaining to the ownership of 6lb horse or 12lb foot artillery.

I'm not sure I get your first sentence. It's ei ...


Because stupid unenforceable laws are a waste of manpower, time in legislature, and open the door for more arbitrary, capricious laws to be passed. It's a bad precedent if nothing else. Gun laws that stay within constitutional bounds are going to be the least effective method for combating violence.
 
2013-03-19 07:31:41 PM  

JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first


And since I am not a moron who can only do one thing at a time, I will keep fighting for both.
 
2013-03-19 07:34:47 PM  

umad: JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

And since I am not a moron who can only do one thing at a time, I will keep fighting for both.


Where have the people like you been for the last 45 years?
 
2013-03-19 07:35:00 PM  

Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-19 07:36:07 PM  

ciberido: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I wish I could tell my boss that I think his policies are bullshiat and just refuse to do my job.

Well, technically, you can, there just might be some repercussions if you do

We have had Fark threads along similar lines where pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions because it conflicted with their morality.  This issue with the gun laws strikes me as basically the same deal.  If your job duties and your morality conflict, I am sympathetic to that.  But you may lose your job if you stick to your guns, and that is how it should be.


Sure, I support conscientious objectors. But they don't get to keep their jobs as soldiers.

Do your farking job. If you can't (won't), fine. Quit your farking job.
 
2013-03-19 07:36:53 PM  

JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first


You can do what you want JRoo, you can also smoke anything you want as long as it's not the flesh of children. Consenting adults are okay.
 
2013-03-19 07:38:00 PM  

Fark It: And when Chicago's police superintendent says his department will ignore a federal court ruling that overturns IL's concealed carry ban (effective in June) if the state doesn't come up with concealed carry legislation, and that judges should take into account public opinion when ruling on gun laws, and that his officers will shoot on sight anyone with a gun, he is lauded (or at least ignored) by the gun control crowd.


There's a difference between ignoring a bad law and using lethal force to enforce a law that doesn't exist.

No one should think this is a good idea.

/Liberal
//Not a gun nut.
 
2013-03-19 07:41:51 PM  

MacWizard: Fark It: And when Chicago's police superintendent says his department will ignore a federal court ruling that overturns IL's concealed carry ban (effective in June) if the state doesn't come up with concealed carry legislation, and that judges should take into account public opinion when ruling on gun laws, and that his officers will shoot on sight anyone with a gun, he is lauded (or at least ignored) by the gun control crowd.

There's a difference between ignoring a bad law and using lethal force to enforce a law that doesn't exist.

No one should think this is a good idea.

/Liberal
//Not a gun nut.


Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.
 
2013-03-19 07:45:35 PM  

GUTSU: JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

You can do what you want JRoo, you can also smoke anything you want as long as it's not the flesh of children. Consenting adults are okay.


Are you kidding me? I live in America.

We have mandatory drug testing for almost every job. Police can take everything you own before you get a trial if they accuse you of being a drug dealer.

The rights of gun owners aren't doing shiat for me.
 
2013-03-19 07:49:30 PM  

JRoo: GUTSU: JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

You can do what you want JRoo, you can also smoke anything you want as long as it's not the flesh of children. Consenting adults are okay.

Are you kidding me? I live in America.

We have mandatory drug testing for almost every job. Police can take everything you own before you get a trial if they accuse you of being a drug dealer.

The rights of gun owners aren't doing shiat for me.


I mean I don't care what you smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me why should I care? You could freebase heroin for all that I care.
 
2013-03-19 07:52:53 PM  

GUTSU: JRoo: GUTSU: JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

You can do what you want JRoo, you can also smoke anything you want as long as it's not the flesh of children. Consenting adults are okay.

Are you kidding me? I live in America.

We have mandatory drug testing for almost every job. Police can take everything you own before you get a trial if they accuse you of being a drug dealer.

The rights of gun owners aren't doing shiat for me.

I mean I don't care what you smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me why should I care? You could freebase heroin for all that I care.


Exactly.

People don't give a shiat what the police state does to someone else until it's their turn.
 
2013-03-19 07:53:05 PM  

ciberido: dewright_ca: This is from the same lib-tard mentality that think its wrong to ask for a drug test for getting public assistance, or that don't care what you use you EBT card for.

Pro tip: don't use "lib-tard" if you want people to take anything you say seriously.


Was trolling....
 
2013-03-19 07:57:26 PM  

dewright_ca: ciberido: dewright_ca: This is from the same lib-tard mentality that think its wrong to ask for a drug test for getting public assistance, or that don't care what you use you EBT card for.

Pro tip: don't use "lib-tard" if you want people to take anything you say seriously.

Was trolling....


I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I'm also pretty die hard "Stay off my Constitution" on everything, including the 2nd Amendment.  People don't really know what to do with me :)

If what you're doing or what you have doesn't interfere or disrupt those around you, go nuts.  It isn't my place to say otherwise.
 
2013-03-19 07:59:07 PM  
Can't wait until these far right sheriffs start declining to prosecute rape, since women should give way to men anyhow.
 
2013-03-19 07:59:32 PM  

redmid17: If that's not how it is, that's definitely how it comes across.


The scary part was made in jest, but the rest is definitely the truth for entirely too many gun owners. There are more than a few people who say they are all for gun rights (they own guns, how can they not be!), but when you actually talk to them you find out what they really mean is they are all for their gun rights. As long as they can keep the guns they like, they will accept a ban of anything else.

JRoo: /fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first


I can deal with that. I'm not going to ask you to fight my battles, but I will request that you stay out of my way.

jso2897: Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.


What do you mean by 'produce'? Simply carrying without concealing isn't going to be a problem in many places. Going from concealed to open is gonna be iffy (deliberately doing it could easily construed as threatening/brandishing). Drawing? Yeah, that's not gonna work out well for you.
 
2013-03-19 08:00:11 PM  

JRoo: umad: JRoo: I will start sticking up for the rights of gun owners when other people start sticking up for my right to ingest any plant I want without people with guns coming to throw me in jail for it.

/fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

And since I am not a moron who can only do one thing at a time, I will keep fighting for both.

Where have the people like you been for the last 45 years?


I'm pretty sure libertarians have been around for awhile.
 
2013-03-19 08:00:31 PM  

edmo: Can't wait until these far right sheriffs start declining to prosecute rape, since women should give way to men anyhow.


That's an interesting leap to make.
 
2013-03-19 08:02:52 PM  

edmo: Can't wait until these far right sheriffs start declining to prosecute rape, since women should give way to men anyhow.


So someone refusing to arrest and prosecute people for an arbitrary law that turned law abiding citizens into criminals when they haven't done a single thing to anyone is the same as refusing to arrest and prosecute someone for violently attacking and forcing themselves on someone else?  Somehow I don't think you've thought your own point through.
 
2013-03-19 08:03:59 PM  

redmid17: tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: redmid17: tom baker's scarf: Fark It: tom baker's scarf: So offer up and support a meaningful alternative. If your leaders aren't going to contribute in a useful way then you are going to get stuck with whatever comes down the pike.

The rest of the country is under no obligation to share your paranoia or live under the consequences of it.

Said every advocate of the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless wire-tapping, and 4th-amendment-skirting drug laws.

WippitGuud: Full circle: You don't need a 30 round clip exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need semi-automatic weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need revolvers or lever-action weapons to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need cartridge-based ammunition to exercise your right to bear arms.

You don't need rifled barrels to exercise your right to bear arms.

The founding fathers overthrew the government with (mostly) smooth bore and single shot weapons. Are you saying you aren't as patriotic as them? Is your belief on liberty so weak you can't walk in their footsteps?

If the slippery slope starts with "you can't have 30 round mags" and moves at its current pace we will be extinct long before we even get doing something useful about assault weapons.

They also had cannons, warships, and no laws regarding the open or concealed carry of any type of weapon. Careful what bad arguments you try to bring into a debate.

/assault weapons aren't that big of a problem
//handguns are the huge problem in the room that no one is bothering to address

You new not give me a history lesson. The American warships were largely ineffective and you bet your ass the British had laws about carrying guns leading up to and during the war.

I'll make you a deal. We get serious about gun control in this country and I'll fully support any plan you want to put forward pertaining to the ownership of 6lb horse or 12lb foot artillery.

I'm not sure I get your first sentence. It's ei ...

Because stupid unenforceable laws are a waste of manpower, time in legislature, and open the door for more arbitrary, capricious laws to be passed. It's a bad precedent if nothing else. Gun laws that stay within constitutional bounds are going to be the least effective method for combating violence.


Other countries have social issues, strict gun control laws and lower crime rates. It can be done. Hell if I was a cop I'd want strict, clear rules about who can have what. That way I'd know exactly what to look for and what isn't allowed.

I'm not saying no guns. I have a few shotguns for hunting.But let's stop pretending that any day now there is going to be a communist-zombie, red dawn-esk attack on the US and the only thing that stands between chaos and death is a bunch of privately held guns and millions of rounds of ammo.

Once again. If you think the law is worthless offer up something better. stomping your feet and resisting everything anyone tries to combat a very real problem is just childish "not gonna" behavior. It just makes you an obstacle to progress and easier to ignore next time.
 
2013-03-19 08:04:21 PM  

jso2897: MacWizard: Fark It: And when Chicago's police superintendent says his department will ignore a federal court ruling that overturns IL's concealed carry ban (effective in June) if the state doesn't come up with concealed carry legislation, and that judges should take into account public opinion when ruling on gun laws, and that his officers will shoot on sight anyone with a gun, he is lauded (or at least ignored) by the gun control crowd.

There's a difference between ignoring a bad law and using lethal force to enforce a law that doesn't exist.

No one should think this is a good idea.

/Liberal
//Not a gun nut.

Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.


"Shoot on sight" kind of skips over the entire "drop it when ordered to" part.
 
2013-03-19 08:04:56 PM  

Farkage: dewright_ca: ciberido: dewright_ca: This is from the same lib-tard mentality that think its wrong to ask for a drug test for getting public assistance, or that don't care what you use you EBT card for.

Pro tip: don't use "lib-tard" if you want people to take anything you say seriously.

Was trolling....

I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I'm also pretty die hard "Stay off my Constitution" on everything, including the 2nd Amendment.  People don't really know what to do with me :)

If what you're doing or what you have doesn't interfere or disrupt those around you, go nuts.  It isn't my place to say otherwise.


Thats a incredibly well educated outlook, what are you doing on Fark?
 
2013-03-19 08:08:29 PM  

dewright_ca: Farkage: dewright_ca: ciberido: dewright_ca: This is from the same lib-tard mentality that think its wrong to ask for a drug test for getting public assistance, or that don't care what you use you EBT card for.

Pro tip: don't use "lib-tard" if you want people to take anything you say seriously.

Was trolling....

I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I'm also pretty die hard "Stay off my Constitution" on everything, including the 2nd Amendment.  People don't really know what to do with me :)

If what you're doing or what you have doesn't interfere or disrupt those around you, go nuts.  It isn't my place to say otherwise.

Thats a incredibly well educated outlook, what are you doing on Fark?


Stumbled in here, got lost, and can't find my way out to be honest with you!
 
2013-03-19 08:09:35 PM  
tom baker's scarf:
Once again. If you think the law is worthless offer up something better. stomping your feet and resisting everything anyone tries to combat a very real problem is just childish "not gonna" behavior. It just makes you an obstacle to progress and easier to ignore next time.

Because making laws that doesn't solve the problem, makes potentially millions of Americans into felons, and restricts the 2nd amendment is better than doing nothing.
 
2013-03-19 08:10:03 PM  

jso2897: Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.


Forgot to add that I live in Arizona, where openly carrying a gun is highly legal and concealed carry permits aren't required. By the Chicago standard originally quoted -- officers will shoot on sight anyone with a gun  -- cops would be gunning people down in the street an a regular basis.
 
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2013-03-19 08:10:58 PM  
Apparently the liberals would just have us pounding on the bad guys chest screaming "you brute, you brute, you brute".

i235.photobucket.com
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2013-03-19 08:20:22 PM  

GUTSU: It just makes you an obstacle to progress


Define "progress".  Is that pretending to "solve" a problem by saying "Well, at least we did something even when that something will do absolutely nothing to solve the problem you were going after?  Maybe we can take care of Global Warming by making it a felony to drive a car without written permission from your boss/doctor/police, etc.  At least we did something!!
Go after the root cause of the problem and not a symptom.  This kind of gun crime and mass shooting didn't exist in the 50's, 60's, etc and you're damn right the same firearms were around back then.  Why is that?  Blaming the gun for the operators actions doesn't explain things when you look at it objectively.  Telling me I don't "need" something is your opinion and yours only.  Mental Health care was shot down hard by the ACLU preventing known psychopaths from being forcibly committed because they "didn't do anything yet", and where did that get us?  Adam Lanza would like to thank you all for that one!  The War on Drugs has done a fantastic job of getting gangs armed to the teeth, hasn't it?  Hell, prohibition was what put the mafia back on the damn map!  Stop going after the tool and hit the root cause of the problem if you want to fix it!
Another shining example:  I personally know 3 people that have 5+ DWIs (no, I don't associate with those POS's).  They still have a license.  How about if we "solve" the drunk driving problem by restricting the kind of car you can drive, increasing license fees to $500.00 and making it very difficult to get one?  Oh yeah, because that would punish the people that are good drivers without doing anything to the shiatheads that are breaking the law...  Sorry, logic fail.
 
2013-03-19 08:26:10 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: redmid17: If that's not how it is, that's definitely how it comes across.

The scary part was made in jest, but the rest is definitely the truth for entirely too many gun owners. There are more than a few people who say they are all for gun rights (they own guns, how can they not be!), but when you actually talk to them you find out what they really mean is they are all for their gun rights. As long as they can keep the guns they like, they will accept a ban of anything else.

JRoo: /fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

I can deal with that. I'm not going to ask you to fight my battles, but I will request that you stay out of my way.

jso2897: Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.

What do you mean by 'produce'? Simply carrying without concealing isn't going to be a problem in many places. Going from concealed to open is gonna be iffy (deliberately doing it could easily construed as threatening/brandishing). Drawing? Yeah, that's not gonna work out well for you.


Here's an example right here. "How can I not be for gun rights, I own guns! But feel free to restrict that guy's guns. I don't have any use for his guns, and he's a moron anyway. Surely nobody will try to restrict my guns. Surely."

tom baker's scarf: I'm not saying no guns. I have a few shotguns for hunting.But let's stop pretending that any day now there is going to be a communist-zombie, red dawn-esk attack on the US and the only thing that stands between chaos and death is a bunch of privately held guns and millions of rounds of ammo.

 
2013-03-19 08:34:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, I guess we can disband the Supreme Court now. This brilliant legal scholar has it all under control


This will last only until the first God-fearing, 2d-Amendment loving citizen shoots a deputy to death with his Constitutionally permitted firearm that he wasn't required to obey any laws about because the sheriff said so.

Then the cops will be obeying every single gun law on the books, and some that haven't even been written yet.
 
2013-03-19 08:49:49 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: redmid17: If that's not how it is, that's definitely how it comes across.

The scary part was made in jest, but the rest is definitely the truth for entirely too many gun owners. There are more than a few people who say they are all for gun rights (they own guns, how can they not be!), but when you actually talk to them you find out what they really mean is they are all for their gun rights. As long as they can keep the guns they like, they will accept a ban of anything else.

JRoo: /fighting_for_my_own_freedom_first

I can deal with that. I'm not going to ask you to fight my battles, but I will request that you stay out of my way.

jso2897: Produce a gun in the presence of any cop, anywhere in this country, including Boulder, CO., and refuse to drop it when ordered to, and see what happens. That's just reality.

What do you mean by 'produce'? Simply carrying without concealing isn't going to be a problem in many places. Going from concealed to open is gonna be iffy (deliberately doing it could easily construed as threatening/brandishing). Drawing? Yeah, that's not gonna work out well for you.


That's what I meant - obviously, Barney Fife is not going to freak out if he sees you walking back from the woods with your duck gun. Whip out a piece in front of any cop anywhere when he ain't expecting it, and you best be ready to drop it quick. And that's without regard to whatever laws there are.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:51 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Tom_Slick: Caffandtranqs: You could make a case for having a damn cannon to be at your house with the way the way the Constitution is written out about this.

Actually a Cannon is considered a Muzzle Loading Firearm and falls under those rules so no special license or permit is required on a federal level.

Yes, that's why I used it as an example.  Do you know many people with cannons?  Do you know many people who think people having cannons is a good idea?


I think it's a great idea, but i've been drinking. Since 9 am.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:47 PM  

WippitGuud: MichiganFTL: Ya know, we're going to ok marijuana use, you just can't use it in conjunction with any heat source or flame.

Somebody pass the brownies.


You have to cook the brownies.  Illegal.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:13 PM  

Well Armed Sheep: Caffandtranqs: Tom_Slick: Caffandtranqs: You could make a case for having a damn cannon to be at your house with the way the way the Constitution is written out about this.

Actually a Cannon is considered a Muzzle Loading Firearm and falls under those rules so no special license or permit is required on a federal level.

Yes, that's why I used it as an example.  Do you know many people with cannons?  Do you know many people who think people having cannons is a good idea?

I think it's a great idea, but i've been drinking. Since 9 am.


Cannons is the way to go, obviously. They should be mandatory if you want to vote.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:46 PM  

jso2897: obviously, Barney Fife is not going to freak out if he sees you walking back from the woods with your duck gun


You might be surprised at how well some (certainly not all, but some) cops react to a guy in town with a visible gun in a holster.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:55 PM  

Evil High Priest: Well Armed Sheep: Caffandtranqs: Tom_Slick: Caffandtranqs: You could make a case for having a damn cannon to be at your house with the way the way the Constitution is written out about this.

Actually a Cannon is considered a Muzzle Loading Firearm and falls under those rules so no special license or permit is required on a federal level.

Yes, that's why I used it as an example.  Do you know many people with cannons?  Do you know many people who think people having cannons is a good idea?

I think it's a great idea, but i've been drinking. Since 9 am.

Cannons is the way to go, obviously. They should be mandatory if you want to vote.


Can I have a trebuchet instead? Cannons are so messy.
 
2013-03-19 09:43:08 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Sheriff: I will NOT be supporting these gun control laws that will cause undue harm to law-abiding citizens by requiring them to pay a $12 registration fee...

...but if your ass gets caught with so much as a gram of marijuana, so help me GOD, I will use every tool at my disposal to make sure that the prosecutor can bury your ass under years of supervised probation. I'll also be there to honor the warrant for your arrest if you miss ONE payment to the court for your probation costs and court costs. I don't give a shiat how the missed days from work affects your ability to pay. Die, hippy.


It's Colorado, weed is legal.  Stupid troll is stupid.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:28 PM  

alberta_beef: Owning removable mags at all, let alone enormous ones, is not.


Um, that's retarded.  That would be like saying free speech is protected but owning books is not.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:10 PM  

Evil High Priest: Well Armed Sheep: Caffandtranqs: Tom_Slick: Caffandtranqs: You could make a case for having a damn cannon to be at your house with the way the way the Constitution is written out about this.

Actually a Cannon is considered a Muzzle Loading Firearm and falls under those rules so no special license or permit is required on a federal level.


Yes, that's why I used it as an example.  Do you know many people with cannons?  Do you know many people who think people having cannons is a good idea?


I think it's a great idea, but i've been drinking. Since 9 am.


Canons is the way to go, obviously. They should be mandatory if you want to vote.




I thought they were, especially in places like Chicago and New York...


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