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(CNSNews)   Remember that Colorado sheriff who announced that he will no longer enforce laws he doesn't like? Yeah...about that   (cnsnews.com) divider line 658
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2013-03-19 03:21:40 PM
activist sheriff
 
2013-03-19 03:22:04 PM
Ahem... Lots of Sheriffs don't enforce laws they disagree with already.

Furthermore, the issues mentioned wouldn't be enforced by the Sheriffs. These are ATF issues.

And another thing; The fees for background checks will be swallowed by the dealers.
 
2013-03-19 03:22:06 PM
personally, i don't enforce any laws.

/not a cop, deputy, or agent.
 
2013-03-19 03:22:12 PM
here's the thing. no one is expecting sheriff wiggam and officer lou to go door-to-door making inspections but if while in the course of legal search of a home or car or business they find illegal guns and/or illegal gun paraphernalia then he is required to act and report.

I don't understand what is so "unenforceable" or why he "doesn't have the manpower."  10:1 he has a bunch of whatever is being banned and doesn't want to give up his toys.
 
2013-03-19 03:22:30 PM
These laws are unenforceable*.

*unless you happen to be a brown-skinned firearms enthusiast
 
2013-03-19 03:22:31 PM

Giltric: Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!


How do you feel about the legalities of sanctuary cities? Should they fire the politicians and law enforcement officals who refuse to enforce immigration laws?


I really wish we could.
 
2013-03-19 03:23:08 PM
CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR.
CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.


It's funded by a bunch of people with no agenda what-so-ever.
 
2013-03-19 03:23:40 PM

umad: EdNortonsTwin: Maybe they shouldn't be bothered to swear to uphold the Constitution either.  Yea, about that old document.

The same one that says "shall not be infringed?" Maybe he is.


This is probably the extent of his Constitutional thinking. He still isn't the person who decides such things.
 
2013-03-19 03:24:15 PM

RevBigfoot: Question to the Farkers with a GED in law:

Let's say you get arrested in this guy's county for something like DUI. Could you argue discrimination in court due to the Sheriff admitting he is selectively enforcing laws?

I mean, common sense we know it's stupid, but I'm just wondering if a sheriff making this kind of claim to neglect his job duties could cause legal blow back from a different angle.


You could argue it.  You'll lose.
 
2013-03-19 03:24:43 PM
You do realize every single sheriff in Colorado is already violating federal law about weed possession.  It's a non-story and up to the county voters to remove the dude (either net election or w/ a recall depending on county rules).
 
2013-03-19 03:25:19 PM
I'm curious as to if these gun-lubbin' 'mericans would sell AR's to a group of dark skinned men Americans dressed in turbans?
 
2013-03-19 03:25:22 PM

Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!


You sound like an aspiring screen writer for Hollywood.  Very cliche' and PC to boot.   Try not to panic through life too hard.
 
2013-03-19 03:25:23 PM
Only the President can get away with saying he is not going to prosecute certain laws. Podunk sheriffs do not get that option.
 
2013-03-19 03:25:29 PM
I wonder where Sheriff Joe stands on this. Because you know if he was involved his pasty face would have been at the top of the article. Arpiao is corrupt, reactionary and is wont to dwell in right-wing Candyland but the man has made a career of just skirting the edge of legality. Which makes me think that he knows something these bush-league attention wh0res don't.
 
2013-03-19 03:26:02 PM
I am not convinced in 60 posts that ANY OF YOU read TFA.  It wasn't the one sheriff. Apparently, it's THREE HUNDRED FORTY.
 
2013-03-19 03:26:51 PM

coeyagi: I am not convinced in 60 posts that ANY OF YOU read TFA.  It wasn't the one sheriff. Apparently, it's THREE HUNDRED FORTY.


How many counties does colorado have?
 
2013-03-19 03:26:52 PM
it didnt work out that great for bunny.
 
2013-03-19 03:27:02 PM
All I want to know is...

...where can I contribute to this guy's re-election campaign?  Because he's awesome.
 
2013-03-19 03:27:04 PM

ManRay: Only the President can get away with saying he is not going to prosecute certain laws. Podunk sheriffs do not get that option.


0/10.  Sheriffs aren't prosecutors, ace.

//would like to say "but you knew that", but alas, you probably didn't.
 
2013-03-19 03:27:20 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Sheriffs have a right to prioritize wich laws they will enforce. I seem to remember us liberal cheering when police officers were refusing Arizonas Paper Please laws.


And as has been pointed out in the past threads on this; WE KNOW.  It's just that these dumb ass sheriffs do not.

All they have to do is say:  "Due to current budget and time constraints, we only have the resources to investigate so many crimes as well as do general street patrolling.   Given the other demands on our officers these new unfunded mandates will not take a high priority in enforcement for my staff."

That's fine and that's LEGAL.

What's retarded is a bunch of plumdunk sheriffs in the sticks suddenly declaring themselves constitutional lawyers and saying they won't enforce laws solely because they *think* they're unconstitutional.  If they think they are unconstitutional, challenge them in court.  Otherwise STFU and do your job.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:12 PM

potterydove: coeyagi: I am not convinced in 60 posts that ANY OF YOU read TFA.  It wasn't the one sheriff. Apparently, it's THREE HUNDRED FORTY.

How many counties does colorado have?


I am not sure TFA was referring to just Colorado.  It was written by CNS, after all, where the "liberal slant" is gone as well as writing standards.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:12 PM

Infernalist: They'll talk a big game until a team from the FBI shows up and sits them down to take depositions on whether or not they'll enforce signed state law.

Then they'll meekly agree to enforce the laws, understanding that the FBI will be testing them on the issue rather quietly.


You can't just show up with a stack of papers and ask for depositions. The FBI would have to file in court. And a local community saying "F U" to the feds makes the feds (and the President) look like complete morons. Joe Arpaio has been in full retard mode for years and the feds haven't been able to do diddly. Since a lot of local law enforcement can casually flip off the FBI over marijuana laws, you really think they'll have trouble doing it over gun control?

Feinstein, Obama, etc are completely out of touch with gun sentiments in the rural parts of the country. What makes total sense in Chicago or New York just won't fly in Troy, Missouri. And in a lot of these areas, a sheriff that refuses to enforce federal gun control laws is a hero.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:27 PM
Ugh... I can't believe I just gave Sheriff Joe credit even backhandedly. I think I'll go take a quick shower.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:29 PM
The Sheriff says the laws are unenforceable.  How is it unenforceable to charge for a background check?  If you don't get paid, you don't do the check.  Seems pretty simple to enforce.

/not saying I agree or disagree, but the logic seems strained
 
2013-03-19 03:28:31 PM

ManRay: Only the President can get away with saying he is not going to prosecute certain laws. Podunk sheriffs do not get that option.


Such as?
 
2013-03-19 03:28:35 PM

cman: Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!

Sherifs are elected officials. I dont know how they do it in Colorado, so maybe you can answer me this. Can the state remove a Sherif from power? The only ways that I could think of that the state could fire him is if the sherif were convicted of a crime


The Sherif don't like it.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:40 PM

potterydove: How many counties does colorado have?


64
 
2013-03-19 03:29:00 PM

tom baker's scarf: here's the thing. no one is expecting sheriff wiggam and officer lou to go door-to-door making inspections but if while in the course of legal search of a home or car or business they find illegal guns and/or illegal gun paraphernalia then he is required to act and report.

I don't understand what is so "unenforceable" or why he "doesn't have the manpower."  10:1 he has a bunch of whatever is being banned and doesn't want to give up his toys.


The language of the law sets a magazine limit and also bans any magazine that could be modified to accept more than the limit. Most any magazine can be modified so the law essentially means this sheriff would have to investigate every gun owner they come across. That would take a lot of manpower.
 
2013-03-19 03:29:06 PM

Fano: cman: Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!

Sherifs are elected officials. I dont know how they do it in Colorado, so maybe you can answer me this. Can the state remove a Sherif from power? The only ways that I could think of that the state could fire him is if the sherif were convicted of a crime

Would they go sans sherif?


10/10
 
2013-03-19 03:29:07 PM

dewright_ca: This is from the same lib-tard mentality that think its wrong to ask for a drug test for getting public assistance, or that don't care what you use you EBT card for.


That would be the fiscally responsible mentality that pointed out that it wasn't cost effective in Florida?
 
2013-03-19 03:29:54 PM
Sweet, so cops only have to enforce laws they agree with, and still get to keep their jobs?  I'm gonna become a cop and just become a conscientious objector, just chill out and eat.  Badass.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:10 PM

ZeroPly: Infernalist: They'll talk a big game until a team from the FBI shows up and sits them down to take depositions on whether or not they'll enforce signed state law.

Then they'll meekly agree to enforce the laws, understanding that the FBI will be testing them on the issue rather quietly.

You can't just show up with a stack of papers and ask for depositions. The FBI would have to file in court. And a local community saying "F U" to the feds makes the feds (and the President) look like complete morons. Joe Arpaio has been in full retard mode for years and the feds haven't been able to do diddly. Since a lot of local law enforcement can casually flip off the FBI over marijuana laws, you really think they'll have trouble doing it over gun control?

Feinstein, Obama, etc are completely out of touch with gun sentiments in the rural parts of the country. What makes total sense in Chicago or New York just won't fly in Troy, Missouri. And in a lot of these areas, a sheriff that refuses to enforce federal gun control laws is a hero.


Both sides are bad... so vote secession?

//I would.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:54 PM

cman: Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!

Sherifs are elected officials. I dont know how they do it in Colorado, so maybe you can answer me this. Can the state remove a Sherif from power? The only ways that I could think of that the state could fire him is if the sherif were convicted of a crime


Considering that these bills will be state law, and that counties of a state must abide by state laws; the sheriff is committing a crime by not enforcing state law.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:00 PM
urbanhabitat.org

Refusing to enforce "unjust" laws isn't anything new to conservatives.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:16 PM

ShadowKamui: You do realize every single sheriff in Colorado is already violating federal law about weed possession.  It's a non-story and up to the county voters to remove the dude (either net election or w/ a recall depending on county rules).


Ayup
 
2013-03-19 03:31:16 PM

umad: EdNortonsTwin: Maybe they shouldn't be bothered to swear to uphold the Constitution either.  Yea, about that old document.

The same one that says "shall not be infringed?" Maybe he is.


Like with machine guns and sawed-off shotguns or guns with serial numbers removed?
 
2013-03-19 03:31:27 PM

Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!


There is only one law that matters. God's Law.

....is what their response would be.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:31 PM
CNSNews.com is  not funded  by the government like NPR.
CNSNews.com is  not funded  by the government like PBS.


Thank goodness. I was all set to make my generous gift of $500.00, but then I was wondering if perhaps they were government-funded.

Still, I worry about the Liberal Media that doesn't report on THE TRUTH. Is CNSNews.com part of the Liberal Media that distorts and ignores THE TRUTH? I wish there were some way of knowing.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:31 PM
Wow, CNS, another jerk-off rag for right-wing 'patriots',  AKA cranky fat oldsters chest-pounding about:

[] Gubmint by 'we the people' (meaning every member of the Low T shuffle board team, but no niggrahs).
[] Militia revolution (a distinct and obese minority of deer spotlighters thinking they can take over a single county, much less the country).
[] The Constitution (while ignoring actual sentence structure in the original Bill of Rights...along with the other 17 amendments). And being blithely ignorant of several centuries of Supreme Court interpretations on various statues, because Waaaaaah! Judicial Activists!

Bonus hilarity: All the indignant Pillsbury-dough-boy tough guys slobbering wall to wall on CNS's comment boards.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:51 PM

Mr. Titanium: The Sheriff says the laws are unenforceable.  How is it unenforceable to charge for a background check?  If you don't get paid, you don't do the check.  Seems pretty simple to enforce.

/not saying I agree or disagree, but the logic seems strained


Cop logic is a sub-discipline of cop math.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:56 PM

coeyagi: ManRay: Only the President can get away with saying he is not going to prosecute certain laws. Podunk sheriffs do not get that option.

0/10.  Sheriffs aren't prosecutors, ace.

//would like to say "but you knew that", but alas, you probably didn't.


That's what I am saying. The sheriff just arrests people. Other people get to decide if the law is pursued.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:01 PM

Dixon Cider: "Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want."



So...choosing to selectively enforce federal drug laws in Colorado is good, while choosing to selectively enforce state gun laws in Colorado is bad. Because....because "farking conservatives", that's why. Got it.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:09 PM

Alphakronik: I'm curious as to if these gun-lubbin' 'mericans would sell AR's to a group of dark skinned men Americans dressed in turbans?


Yes, because they're probably Punjabi, and know more about the constitution than folks who grew up here.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:16 PM
So all of you people who say the sheriffs who won't enforce gun laws are assholes, you would have exactly the same opinion of them if they said they aren't going to enforce marajuana laws. AMIRITE????
 
2013-03-19 03:32:25 PM
Do NOT look directly at the comments of TFA.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:55 PM
On another note....

Subby doesn't really get the "Yeah, about that..." meme.
 
2013-03-19 03:33:54 PM

coeyagi: potterydove: coeyagi: I am not convinced in 60 posts that ANY OF YOU read TFA.  It wasn't the one sheriff. Apparently, it's THREE HUNDRED FORTY.

How many counties does colorado have?

I am not sure TFA was referring to just Colorado.  It was written by CNS, after all, where the "liberal slant" is gone as well as writing standards.


I agree, They are like the Mother Jones News of the right.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:14 PM

coeyagi: I am not convinced in 60 posts that ANY OF YOU read TFA.  It wasn't the one sheriff. Apparently, it's THREE HUNDRED FORTY.


i dont think you did

the 340 number comes from a lobbying group who says 340 Sheriff's(and other law enforcement personal) believe in the modern far right view of the second admendment (All American have the right to private ownership of any and  All military hardware)
 
2013-03-19 03:34:23 PM

Dixon Cider: I live near this asshole and hope he gets fired soon!

Farking conservatives thinks it's OK to break the law, if it is something they want. But ask for Equal Rights for Brown or Gay people and HOLY shiat, your asking fro crimes against humanity!!


Authorities *don't* have to enforce laws they believe are unconstitutional. In fact some might say they have a responsibility to do so. If right now, the religious right managed to pass a national law banning same sex marriage, authorities would be in the right to refuse to enforce it.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:33 PM

Karac: ManRay: Only the President can get away with saying he is not going to prosecute certain laws. Podunk sheriffs do not get that option.

Such as?


Presidents direct their AG to slow work on certain laws all the time. It would be great if Obama would tell Holder to not prosecute pot laws in the states that have legalized it, for instance.
 
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