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(Guardian)   US Supreme Court set to decide whether you can buy Congressmen wholesale and cut out the lobbyists altogether   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 16
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2013-03-19 02:33:35 PM
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Nicholas D. Wolfwood: ... How on Earth is this a 'Hero' tag?  When the system is poisoned by too much money, the solution is to inject more money?

Seriously?

If anyone thinks this is a good idea, remember that the Republicans are pushing it.


Problem: Too much money poisoning politics
Republican Solution: More money.

Problem: Too much gun violence.
Republican Solution: More guns

Problem: Budget deficit.
Republican Solution: More spending +More tax cuts.

Problem: Too much government interference in citizen's private lives.
Republican Solution: Ban gay marriage. Tighten anti-abortion laws. etc...
2013-03-19 05:44:13 PM
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: Political donations should be unlimited with highly transparent reporting, and ad buys should be illegal in a general election.


Political donations should be completely outlawed, and political campaigns should be financed publicly.
2013-03-19 05:13:26 PM
1 votes:

Macinfarker: DamnYankees: I honestly don't understand how this wouldn't just legalize outright bribery.

I guess because they can only donate to political campaigns, and not to the politicians personally.


And it's not like political campaigns can't use the money to do nothing but buy books "written" by the politician in question that are published through the politicians own publisher which made only to publish that politicians books.
2013-03-19 03:24:43 PM
1 votes:
You don't understand, this is perfectly fair.  Poor people will have the same right to donate millions to political campaigns.  What, you don't have millions of dollars laying around?  Working 60 hours a week just pays the bills?  Lazy socialist!
2013-03-19 02:47:28 PM
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: The Blues & the Reds can't even agree to do routine business like pass a budget.

How can they be expected to debate a constitutional amendment.


1. A "Continuing Resolution" is a budget by a different name.
2. Congress can be circumvented to get a new Amendment (Article V) - at least 33 states agree to hold a convention where the amendment is proposed, then either 38 state legislatures or 38 state-level ratifying conventions pass it. It becomes settled law of the land, and there ain't a goddamn thing Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, both Clintons or Osama bin Laden's reanimated Lich-King can do about it.
2013-03-19 02:44:21 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: I have no idea why - maybe it's that getting 37 states to agree on anything without being total douchehammers about it is nigh impossible these days.


Well, that and the fact that 30 of the 50 states have Republican governors...and they aren't about to bite the hand that feeds them.
2013-03-19 02:10:20 PM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Political donations should be unlimited with highly transparent reporting, and ad buys should be illegal in a general election.


Of course then all the money would come through shell corporations and legal entities.

In an ideal world, they would be forced to wear race car driver jackets with the logos of their biggest contributors on them, but let's face it, our democratic republic will forever be in the pocket of big business.
2013-03-19 01:55:30 PM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: I just wish the incredibly successful lawyer behind all of this wasn't so absurdly named that no one takes him seriously.

For God's sake, his name is  Jim Bopp.


PBS Frontline did a piece on Citizens United, which featured Mr. Bopp. A real piece of human garbage, typical Republican sellout.
2013-03-19 01:54:28 PM
1 votes:

cman: I keep on saying this:

There are enough people who support overturning Citizens United via constitution amendment. Why isnt there any sort of concerted effort to do so?

And no, please dont spout off conspiracy theories (OMG THOSE EVIL CORPORATIONS!). I am asking for solid facts.


The turnaround on constitutional amendments form proposal to ratification tends to be counted in decades.  Even if there is a push for it, you won't hear about it for another couple sessions and it won't be up for ratification for another 5-10 years minimum.

That's a long time to try to keep momentum going and a lot of opportunities to fail, if people aren't trying very hard I kinda understand the feeling.
2013-03-19 01:53:54 PM
1 votes:

cman: I keep on saying this:

There are enough people who support overturning Citizens United via constitution amendment. Why isnt there any sort of concerted effort to do so?

And no, please dont spout off conspiracy theories (OMG THOSE EVIL CORPORATIONS!). I am asking for solid facts.


Bernie Sanders did 'something':

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today introduced a constitutional amendment to overturn a Supreme Court ruling that allowed unrestricted, secret campaign spending by corporations and billionaires. Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) filed the "Democracy is for People" amendment in the House.

Link

But it remains to be seen if it'll go anywhere. This was submitted earlier this week.
2013-03-19 01:46:51 PM
1 votes:

cman: I keep on saying this:

There are enough people who support overturning Citizens United via constitution amendment. Why isnt there any sort of concerted effort to do so?

And no, please dont spout off conspiracy theories (OMG THOSE EVIL CORPORATIONS!). I am asking for solid facts.


I'm pretty sure that Bernie Sanders has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment to do just that.  Given that it needs to get thru both houses of Congress before it can be submitted to the states, I doubt that it'll happen any time soon.
2013-03-19 01:18:47 PM
1 votes:
I keep on saying this:

There are enough people who support overturning Citizens United via constitution amendment. Why isnt there any sort of concerted effort to do so?

And no, please dont spout off conspiracy theories (OMG THOSE EVIL CORPORATIONS!). I am asking for solid facts.
2013-03-19 01:08:23 PM
1 votes:
Just die Scalia. We need to start working on cleaning up your mess already.
2013-03-19 12:43:53 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: I honestly don't understand how this wouldn't just legalize outright bribery.


GAT_00: Well this is a foregone conclusion.  Anyone actually think the USSC won't legalize bribery?


Bribery lost any meaning it once had after it was decided that money equals speech.
2013-03-19 12:32:18 PM
1 votes:
Well this is a foregone conclusion.  Anyone actually think the USSC won't legalize bribery?
2013-03-19 12:27:32 PM
1 votes:
I honestly don't understand how this wouldn't just legalize outright bribery.
 
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