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(Talking Points Memo)   Activist comes up with media fu tactic against Westboro Baptist Church that is, literally, brilliant   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 285
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2013-03-19 02:11:59 PM

what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.


I was going to point out that this is just giving the WBC exactly what they want (attention and the impression that they're important and/or being attacked in the eyes of their supporters), but actually you bring up a good point.  Couldn't have been easy for the poor neighbor to get away from that house, property values can't be good that close to evil.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:01 PM
Well I for one approve of this. Don't listen to all the Farkers crying "why bother" dude, it's easy to sit around and do nothing. That's done so well to stifle the WBC thus far, with every media outlet still publishing every protest they give.

Good on ya for the positive works described elsewhere in TFA too, sounds like he's doing good things around the world. No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Hope he hosts lots of pride events at the house too, just to make the neighborhood uncomfortable.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:14 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


It looks like Wesley Crusher's Acting Ensign uniform.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:19 PM
  Awesome. Two foaming at the mouth hate groups square off across a suburban street. I can't help but picture two groups of kids in snow forts winging snows balls at each other except they would use the old testament and tasteful decorating magazines for ammunition.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:43 PM

Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.


But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.

No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did. You make a bigger, more interesting spectacle. When it becomes clear the media is focusing on the more interesting counter protest, the WBC guys leave. (See: the Comic-con counter protest.)
/And the guy in the bender costume carrying a KILL ALL HUMANS sign.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:00 PM

FloydA: Kids, please come out for goodness' sake! Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.


No, no, no.

Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using nothing. Peanuts should never have been involved in the first farking place, and it's for the best that they're out of the equation.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:11 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: dallylamma: Their Media Fu tactics are no match for my Wu Tang style.

I'd like to see your Wu Tang style. Why don't you show me?


Easy now, my Wu Tang style ain't nuthin' to fark with.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:27 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


It does!  Reminds me of 80's Atari games.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:51 PM
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2013-03-19 02:14:54 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


reminds me of
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2013-03-19 02:15:17 PM
I would applaud this if I thought it would actually annoy them, but it is just giving the attention whores precisely what they crave: more attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:15:29 PM
This year, his charity, Planting Peace, also intends to de-worm every child in Guatemala.

While an admirable goal, next time you may want to try for a phrasing that makes them sound more like children and less like stray dogs.
 
TWX
2013-03-19 02:15:52 PM
I hope they don't gloss over the perils; walking on eggshells to prevent the plan from falling flat...
 
2013-03-19 02:16:18 PM
<i> The guy wouldn't budge. </i>

Dude hadnt even seen the inside of the house.  Were they even negotiating in person?  You have to show some interest and get the seller excited or your offer is pretty worthless.

Anyway, I think some of y'all are missing the point.  Once painted, this place will be flipped to a flamboyantly gay military couple with JDs.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:53 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Awesome. Two foaming at the mouth hate groups square off across a suburban street. I can't help but picture two groups of kids in snow forts winging snows balls at each other except they would use the old testament and tasteful decorating magazines for ammunition.


I'm not sure if the guy who bought the house is an attention whore. He sounds like more of an impulse buyer.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:56 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups


I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:58 PM

Felgraf: Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.

But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.

No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did. You make a bigger, more interesting spectacle. When it becomes clear the media is focusing on the more interesting counter protest, the WBC guys leave. (See: the Comic-con counter protest.)
/And the guy in the bender costume carrying a KILL ALL HUMANS sign.


I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.
 
2013-03-19 02:17:07 PM

Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.


Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".
 
2013-03-19 02:17:07 PM

Claude Ballse: Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

Looks like an old Atari Cartridge to me:

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Super Breakout? More like "Fabulous Breakout...of the Closet"

/Good for the Activists.


gah, beat me to it!
 
2013-03-19 02:17:25 PM
He bought the house just to paint it?  I would have just asked the previous owner if he would like a new coat of free paint.  Who knows, maybe he's a single bachelor that wouldn't give a shiat about the color.
 
2013-03-19 02:17:30 PM
you know what they need?  some

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2013-03-19 02:17:52 PM
too bad we couldn't "Waco" them...

i854.photobucket.com
 
TWX
2013-03-19 02:19:40 PM

chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.


What about the owner of the rainbow house though?
 
2013-03-19 02:20:28 PM
Actually, they dont hate anyone. They are just fishing for lawsuits and attention. So really, you have done nothing but give them what they are seeking. Try ignoring they exist. Like the rest of us.
 
2013-03-19 02:21:11 PM
pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC his HOA will sue him into oblivion. :(

FTFY
 
2013-03-19 02:21:26 PM
So while considering the Westboro Baptist Church, he began dinking around on Google Maps late one night. He pulled up the church, at 3701 SW 12th St. in Topeka, and took a virtual walk around the block. In the front yard of a house across the street, he noticed a For Sale sign.
...
The house he'd thought for sale no longer was


Seriously? You thought that Google Street View is in real time/recent imagery?

cman: I think a lesbian bar with strippers would be the ultimate troll, but what do I know?


This, but I think a gay bar would be more of a troll to Fred Phelps. As was suggested in another thread (during the Ground Zero Mosque nontroversy), it would have a sign on the front saying "Come in Fred, we've been expecting you."
 
2013-03-19 02:21:57 PM

PoochUMD: Kome: WTF Indeed: Or you could, you know, just ignore them?

Silence is not as effective a tactic as you would think.

When a bunch of attention whores are looking for attention, not giving them attention is your only weapon.

How many people were talking about the WBC today prior to that house being painted and the number of new stories about the house? How many are now that the house has been painted? While their intentions were good, all they did was promote the WBC brand.

When they say on twitter that they are going to be at a funeral on the East Coast and thousands of people show up to anti-picket and it becomes leading national news, all you do is promote their brand. Meanwhile they don't even leave Kansas because the anti-protesters get more attention their original little protests ever did and now they don't even have to spend the gas money.


On the other hand, by counter-protesting, by making a big fuss of people who vocally and behaviorally show they don't agree with those views, they are accomplishing multiple goals. Yes, one of them is feeding attention whores, but that is just one consequence and it is a minor one. More importantly, it sends a loud message that there is a growing portion of the country that disagrees with those horrible views expressed loudly by attention whores like the WBC... views that are quietly held by a still large number of the country that aren't in the WBC. The more that is made of people saying "We disagree with this" the more people who are victimized by homophobia are aware that the nation's conscience is changing, that they are becoming more accepted, that it does get better, that equality for all is a realistic and attainable goal. Simply being silent too often sends the unintentional message that "we just don't care that people are so loudly oppressing a group of fellow Americans". Silence enables bullies more than confrontation, even if the bullies do want attention. So, f*ck all calls to ignore the trolls or whatever. My friends who are LGBT, and the millions of other LGBT adults, teens, and children in this country should know that we care enough about them to stand up to assholes like the WBC.
 
2013-03-19 02:22:50 PM
If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:23:31 PM

gilgigamesh: Yeah, from all accounts they seem like pretty affable people who are basically in on the joke, or at least have thick enough skins to absorb the mockery.


Maybe the latter, but from what those who've left the WBC have said not so much the former.
 
2013-03-19 02:23:38 PM

kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.



They can file a lawsuit saying that the new garish paint color financially harmed them by reducing their property values.  It'd get thrown out, but they don't care - they'd represent themselves while this guy would have to hire a lawyer.  They'd end up spending less on court costs than he would on lawyers hours and call it a win.

Of course, then he could also countersue, saying that the lowered property value also lowered their property taxes, which would probably end up being more than someone would want to pay for a building infested with WBCooties.
 
2013-03-19 02:24:11 PM

Farce-Side: I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.


Nah. They're really good at getting people from diverse backgrounds to come together and go, "wow, yeah, those guys are total douchebags."
 
2013-03-19 02:24:34 PM

chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.


       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.
 
2013-03-19 02:24:42 PM
I drove past a gaggle of the WBC loonies today, they had toned it down for the moment sporting only signs that said "Topeka is a city of bastards!
 
2013-03-19 02:26:59 PM
Now it just needs a pop-tart cat to the side...
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2013-03-19 02:27:22 PM

freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".


Yeah, but that doesn't really say anything unless you judge someone based on what's under Education in their resume. Plenty of notable people out there never went to college at all.

I was more referring to this part: a 31-year-old community-college dropout whose other projects have included opening orphanages in India and Haiti and buying a thousand acres of endangered rain forest in Peru. This year, his charity, Planting Peace, also intends to de-worm every child in Guatemala.

Really, if he had finished college he probably would've just learned how better to channel that money/effort to himself rather than for others. For many folks that would be a good thing I spose.
 
2013-03-19 02:31:41 PM
A TPM link to a Gawker link ...
 
2013-03-19 02:31:44 PM
Racing pinstripes. Nice.

They could stop with the five colours in the picture and it would look great!

On the North Shore of New Brunswick and elsewhere in the Maritimes, the Acadians (French) and the fishermen (various) often paint their houses in bright colours, unlike the Anglos who usually stick to white, gray, or occasionally, mustard yellow (the original mustard yellow paint was made from real mustard seed). I suspect that some of the fishermen use the same colours as they use on their fishing dories. Saves money and works as a sort of "team" colour so you can tell which fisherman lives where if you know his boat by sight.

I saw one small house which was decorated with daubs of coloured paint. Presumably some economical poor soul had gotten their hands on various small cans of left-over paint and decided to use them all. I'm not talking neat polka dots, here, but just rough brush strokes.

A bit eccentric, but then, my great-uncle wore a wig (long straight woman's hair, not a toupee) and paneled his car with house siding. Embarrassed my grandfather to no end but he was mostly harmless.

Speaking of eccentrics, I did some additions to my family tree this week and Lyndon Hermyle Larouche, Jr. is my eighth cousin twice removed*. Yes, that's really what his middle H. stands for. He got the name from his father, Senior, who got it from Hermyle Parent, an ancestor of his who died in the 1920s, about the time Junior was born.

*Not removed far enough, as some might say.

I managed to get Madonna the Female Cabalist down from eighth cousin twice removed to fifth cousin once removed, which is what I expected she would be given the close connection in maternal lines.

Here's the punch line:  Lyndon H. Larouche, Jr. is not the weirdest crank in my family tree.

Check out Dr. Ezekiel Stone Wiggins, the learned educator, bureaucrat and weather prognosticator. Among his bizarre beliefs were:  dinosaurs still live--on the bottom of the ocean; a planet must have an atmosphere to be visible so both the Sun and the Moon have atmospheres; and you can predict the weather and earthquakes. Wikipedia has a cartoon of him published by one of the New York papers of the day. He looks like a mad gnome. In reality he was a wealthy, handsome and distinguished gentleman who was, outside of his private beliefs, an able educator, genealogist and federal official (Department of Finance). Which proves that you don't have to be stupid to be weird and that intelligence and education are no protection whatsoever against weird religion, politics, or other cranky beliefs. Smart people are some of the dumbest people I know.

I fear that I have one or two distant relations who were even more tragically nutty than Wiggins. For one thing, my ancestors practically founded the Baptist religion in the Maritime provinces of Canada and some of them were no doubt fit rivals for the Westboro Church, although most of them were quite devout and earnest Christians, if a bit off the broad and comfortable beaten path of mainstream Christianity in their time.

Also, I don't now what a Justin Bieber is, but I found one in my family tree (tenth cousin, twice removed) and may have to shake him out with a broom.

French Canadians seem liable to become musicians and actors. In addition to Madonna, I have Angelina Jolie, Céline Dion, Avril Lavigne, Ryan Gosling and a number of other people of barely concealed French Canadian ancestry (also Hilary Clinton and LaRouche). Even the Bushes and Obama have turned up, albeit with English Canadian ancestors.

You'd expect Lyndon H. Larouche, Jr. to be a bit weird. His father was a Roman Catholic who became a Quaker who made his children not fight back. As a result, they were mercilessly bullied at school. i wonder if that's what happened to Richard M. Nixon? He certainly had a bit of a chip on his shoulder about the smart and popular kids. So did Senator "Joe" Eugene McCarthy, who was a Roman Catholic and a Eugene.

Oh, well. It is better to mock than to bully or be bullied. At least us weirdos think so.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:12 PM

Felgraf: But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.


That's the media's fault. And has a media-conscious public, the best we can do is chastise the media every time they do it, so they can know not to do it in the future.

Felgraf: No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did


And by doing so, you have already lost. It's like playing The Game.

This family loves 4chan more than anything else. Bring it to them. They bask in your attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:38 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Actually, they dont hate anyone. They are just fishing for lawsuits and attention. So really, you have done nothing but give them what they are seeking. Try ignoring they exist. Like the rest of us.


Actually, they do.  Old Man Phelps has enough hate within him to fuel the Pentagon.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:42 PM

Sudlow: If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.


Pretty sure having a hateful church in the neighborhood reduces property values more.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:32 PM
Ugh.  Just reminds me I have to paint the garage this spring.  I hate painting.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:43 PM
They'll be getting a visit from code enforcers shortly.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:58 PM

jaybeezey: I like it. If i lived there i would help them paint the mfkr.


A whole bunch o' this.
 
2013-03-19 02:35:58 PM

Karac: kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.


Considering that Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court I'd be careful  saying what the Westboro Baptist Church can or can't do legally.  Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court.  Not many people can say they've done that.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:17 PM
It is funny, but it would be funnier if the dude painting the house knew which colors traditionally make up a rainbow.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:34 PM

brap: They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.


Just stay away from my Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Baloney.
 
2013-03-19 02:39:23 PM

Gonz: FloydA: Kids, please come out for goodness' sake! Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.

No, no, no.

Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using nothing. Peanuts should never have been involved in the first farking place, and it's for the best that they're out of the equation.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-19 02:39:29 PM
I'm sure all the other neighbors are pleased as punch.
 
2013-03-19 02:40:10 PM

WTF Indeed: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"


Sometimes trolls deserve to be trolled.
 
2013-03-19 02:40:24 PM
Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.
 
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