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(Talking Points Memo)   Activist comes up with media fu tactic against Westboro Baptist Church that is, literally, brilliant   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 285
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2013-03-19 12:27:21 PM
Awesome!
 
2013-03-19 12:28:36 PM
Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(
 
2013-03-19 12:29:24 PM
Or you could, you know, just ignore them?
 
2013-03-19 12:33:00 PM

pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(


What are they going to sue over?
 
2013-03-19 12:33:56 PM
how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.
 
2013-03-19 12:34:06 PM
This will work right up until the place gets firebombed.
 
2013-03-19 12:36:32 PM
That's pretty funny.
 
2013-03-19 12:37:06 PM

what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.


"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"
 
2013-03-19 12:39:11 PM
So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.
 
2013-03-19 12:46:24 PM
Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes
 
2013-03-19 12:48:33 PM
Two attention whores crossing streams.......OMG, it's like dividing by zero.
 
2013-03-19 12:48:34 PM

what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.


Sometimes, a good deed is it's own reward.

It is kind of ironic that groups like WBC will become pretty much the pitiful equivalent of hallucinating street preachers because churches are finally, slowly, and - with a lot less resistance than anyone expected - getting dragged into the 20th century.
 
2013-03-19 12:49:38 PM

what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.

FTFA: This year, his charity, Planting Peace, also intends to de-worm every child in Guatemala.

 
2013-03-19 12:49:48 PM

what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.


They usually do.  Rainbow painting a house isn't going to show anyone anything.
 
2013-03-19 12:54:30 PM
They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.
 
2013-03-19 12:57:32 PM

pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(


Sue, based on what?  You can just ignore all the legal paper until you get to your court summons and just show up and the judge would throw it out instantly.  If not, ACLU would show up and provide you free defense anyways.  You couldn't lose and it wouldn't cost you a penny.
 
2013-03-19 01:11:46 PM
No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.
 
2013-03-19 01:12:34 PM
Like WBC even gives a single fark about something like this.
 
2013-03-19 01:15:33 PM
I think a lesbian bar with strippers would be the ultimate troll, but what do I know?
 
2013-03-19 01:15:57 PM

brap: They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.


Kids, please come out for goodness' sake!  Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.
 
2013-03-19 01:23:03 PM
1-media-cdn.foolz.us

...Although I would personally find the house garish and unsightly, I admire the man's pluck.
 
2013-03-19 01:23:54 PM

brap: Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.


That's music to my ears.
 
2013-03-19 01:30:05 PM

wxboy: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

What are they going to sue over?


Anything - it's how they operate.  They will legally harass him until he can't fight back anymore.
 
2013-03-19 01:30:52 PM

Relatively Obscure: Like WBC even gives a single fark about something like this.


As Shirley's alleged reaction implies.
 
2013-03-19 01:49:28 PM
I hope he puts up cameras every where 'cause this is gonna happen to his house...

i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-03-19 01:58:16 PM
Giving them attention? Yeah, well done.
This is the final nail in their coffin.
 
2013-03-19 02:00:20 PM
That's a pretty decently sized church, actually. Much bigger than the 4 pew room I had envisioned.
 
2013-03-19 02:01:26 PM
This is great, but I just hope the local zoning board doesn't fark everything up.
 
2013-03-19 02:01:51 PM

Diogenes: Relatively Obscure: Like WBC even gives a single fark about something like this.

As Shirley's alleged reaction implies.


Yeah, from all accounts they seem like pretty affable people who are basically in on the joke, or at least have thick enough skins to absorb the mockery.

Any fantasies about them staring out at the rainbow house and pounding the table in smouldering frustrated rage are just that.
 
2013-03-19 02:01:51 PM
God hates paint!
 
2013-03-19 02:02:11 PM
Would have been better had they turned it into an adult arcade, requisite with glory holes in the viewing booths.
 
2013-03-19 02:02:37 PM

MisterTweak: Sometimes, a good deed is it's own reward.


How 'bout we trying something really radical?  Like ignoring the idiots.  Just imagine how much we can change if we put all the energy we spend dealing with the WBC into mentoring, working with our legislators to pass better laws, or really doing anything else. But no.  We got to make ourselves feel allcuddly by giving the attention whores more attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:02:45 PM

pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(


They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.
 
2013-03-19 02:03:25 PM
Their Media Fu tactics are no match for my Wu Tang style.
 
2013-03-19 02:03:27 PM
I like it. If i lived there i would help them paint the mfkr.
 
2013-03-19 02:03:33 PM

WTF Indeed: Or you could, you know, just ignore them?


Silence is not as effective a tactic as you would think.
 
2013-03-19 02:04:20 PM

dallylamma: Their Media Fu tactics are no match for my Wu Tang style.


I'd like to see your Wu Tang style. Why don't you show me?
 
2013-03-19 02:04:53 PM
these guys could come down and do a show for westboro in front of the rainbow house

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-19 02:05:26 PM
You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-03-19 02:06:53 PM
A gay rights center painted in rainbow hues across the street from WBC - I gotta say
that I love this.
 
2013-03-19 02:08:55 PM
Well played, Mr. Jackson.  Well played.

what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.


Well, it has brought my attention to his Guatemalan effort.  Something I'm inclined to research, possibly contribute towards so...

/silver linings
 
2013-03-19 02:08:56 PM

MisterTweak: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

Sometimes, a good deed is it's own reward.

It is kind of ironic that groups like WBC will become pretty much the pitiful equivalent of hallucinating street preachers because churches are finally, slowly, and - with a lot less resistance than anyone expected - getting dragged into the 20th century.


I'm not sure of the Irony.  WBC is just a racket where they try to piss people off with offensive speech until they get physically attacked, and then they sue.  That's it.  It's not a real church in the way most people think.  They are 100% in the lawsuit business.  They'll probably look at the rainbow house as a challenge.
 
2013-03-19 02:09:52 PM
Good thing there's no HOA; they'd probably side with Phelps.
 
2013-03-19 02:09:52 PM

pisceandreamer: wxboy: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

What are they going to sue over?

Anything - it's how they operate.  They will legally harass him until he can't fight back anymore.


The state equivalent of Fed R Civ P Rule 11 make it hard for the WBC to do so.
 
2013-03-19 02:10:08 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


Looks like an old Atari Cartridge to me:

popwhore.com

Super Breakout? More like "Fabulous Breakout...of the Closet"

/Good for the Activists.
 
2013-03-19 02:10:42 PM

Kome: WTF Indeed: Or you could, you know, just ignore them?

Silence is not as effective a tactic as you would think.


When a bunch of attention whores are looking for attention, not giving them attention is your only weapon.

How many people were talking about the WBC today prior to that house being painted and the number of new stories about the house? How many are now that the house has been painted? While their intentions were good, all they did was promote the WBC brand.

When they say on twitter that they are going to be at a funeral on the East Coast and thousands of people show up to anti-picket and it becomes leading national news, all you do is promote their brand. Meanwhile they don't even leave Kansas because the anti-protesters get more attention their original little protests ever did and now they don't even have to spend the gas money.
 
2013-03-19 02:10:42 PM

GAT_00: This will work right up until the place gets fire

glitterbombed.
 
2013-03-19 02:10:49 PM

theguyyousaw: Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes


images.mysupermarket.co.uk

...he hates meatballs in a West Country sauce too.
 
2013-03-19 02:11:31 PM
Although it does bring more attention to the turds than it deserves...

They themselves always claim freedom of speech when they are being dicks, so I kinda link this.

Bet they move the church.
 
2013-03-19 02:11:51 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


They should stick a Nyan Cat in the yard.
 
2013-03-19 02:11:59 PM

what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.


I was going to point out that this is just giving the WBC exactly what they want (attention and the impression that they're important and/or being attacked in the eyes of their supporters), but actually you bring up a good point.  Couldn't have been easy for the poor neighbor to get away from that house, property values can't be good that close to evil.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:01 PM
Well I for one approve of this. Don't listen to all the Farkers crying "why bother" dude, it's easy to sit around and do nothing. That's done so well to stifle the WBC thus far, with every media outlet still publishing every protest they give.

Good on ya for the positive works described elsewhere in TFA too, sounds like he's doing good things around the world. No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Hope he hosts lots of pride events at the house too, just to make the neighborhood uncomfortable.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:14 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


It looks like Wesley Crusher's Acting Ensign uniform.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:19 PM
  Awesome. Two foaming at the mouth hate groups square off across a suburban street. I can't help but picture two groups of kids in snow forts winging snows balls at each other except they would use the old testament and tasteful decorating magazines for ammunition.
 
2013-03-19 02:12:43 PM

Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.


But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.

No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did. You make a bigger, more interesting spectacle. When it becomes clear the media is focusing on the more interesting counter protest, the WBC guys leave. (See: the Comic-con counter protest.)
/And the guy in the bender costume carrying a KILL ALL HUMANS sign.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:00 PM

FloydA: Kids, please come out for goodness' sake! Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.


No, no, no.

Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using nothing. Peanuts should never have been involved in the first farking place, and it's for the best that they're out of the equation.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:11 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: dallylamma: Their Media Fu tactics are no match for my Wu Tang style.

I'd like to see your Wu Tang style. Why don't you show me?


Easy now, my Wu Tang style ain't nuthin' to fark with.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:27 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


It does!  Reminds me of 80's Atari games.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:51 PM
resource.mmgn.com
 
2013-03-19 02:14:54 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


reminds me of
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-19 02:15:17 PM
I would applaud this if I thought it would actually annoy them, but it is just giving the attention whores precisely what they crave: more attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:15:29 PM
This year, his charity, Planting Peace, also intends to de-worm every child in Guatemala.

While an admirable goal, next time you may want to try for a phrasing that makes them sound more like children and less like stray dogs.
 
TWX
2013-03-19 02:15:52 PM
I hope they don't gloss over the perils; walking on eggshells to prevent the plan from falling flat...
 
2013-03-19 02:16:18 PM
<i> The guy wouldn't budge. </i>

Dude hadnt even seen the inside of the house.  Were they even negotiating in person?  You have to show some interest and get the seller excited or your offer is pretty worthless.

Anyway, I think some of y'all are missing the point.  Once painted, this place will be flipped to a flamboyantly gay military couple with JDs.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:53 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Awesome. Two foaming at the mouth hate groups square off across a suburban street. I can't help but picture two groups of kids in snow forts winging snows balls at each other except they would use the old testament and tasteful decorating magazines for ammunition.


I'm not sure if the guy who bought the house is an attention whore. He sounds like more of an impulse buyer.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:56 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups


I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:58 PM

Felgraf: Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.

But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.

No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did. You make a bigger, more interesting spectacle. When it becomes clear the media is focusing on the more interesting counter protest, the WBC guys leave. (See: the Comic-con counter protest.)
/And the guy in the bender costume carrying a KILL ALL HUMANS sign.


I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.
 
2013-03-19 02:17:07 PM

Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.


Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".
 
2013-03-19 02:17:07 PM

Claude Ballse: Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

Looks like an old Atari Cartridge to me:

[popwhore.com image 435x604]

Super Breakout? More like "Fabulous Breakout...of the Closet"

/Good for the Activists.


gah, beat me to it!
 
2013-03-19 02:17:25 PM
He bought the house just to paint it?  I would have just asked the previous owner if he would like a new coat of free paint.  Who knows, maybe he's a single bachelor that wouldn't give a shiat about the color.
 
2013-03-19 02:17:30 PM
you know what they need?  some

www.27bslash6.com
 
2013-03-19 02:17:52 PM
too bad we couldn't "Waco" them...

i854.photobucket.com
 
TWX
2013-03-19 02:19:40 PM

chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.


What about the owner of the rainbow house though?
 
2013-03-19 02:20:28 PM
Actually, they dont hate anyone. They are just fishing for lawsuits and attention. So really, you have done nothing but give them what they are seeking. Try ignoring they exist. Like the rest of us.
 
2013-03-19 02:21:11 PM
pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC his HOA will sue him into oblivion. :(

FTFY
 
2013-03-19 02:21:26 PM
So while considering the Westboro Baptist Church, he began dinking around on Google Maps late one night. He pulled up the church, at 3701 SW 12th St. in Topeka, and took a virtual walk around the block. In the front yard of a house across the street, he noticed a For Sale sign.
...
The house he'd thought for sale no longer was


Seriously? You thought that Google Street View is in real time/recent imagery?

cman: I think a lesbian bar with strippers would be the ultimate troll, but what do I know?


This, but I think a gay bar would be more of a troll to Fred Phelps. As was suggested in another thread (during the Ground Zero Mosque nontroversy), it would have a sign on the front saying "Come in Fred, we've been expecting you."
 
2013-03-19 02:21:57 PM

PoochUMD: Kome: WTF Indeed: Or you could, you know, just ignore them?

Silence is not as effective a tactic as you would think.

When a bunch of attention whores are looking for attention, not giving them attention is your only weapon.

How many people were talking about the WBC today prior to that house being painted and the number of new stories about the house? How many are now that the house has been painted? While their intentions were good, all they did was promote the WBC brand.

When they say on twitter that they are going to be at a funeral on the East Coast and thousands of people show up to anti-picket and it becomes leading national news, all you do is promote their brand. Meanwhile they don't even leave Kansas because the anti-protesters get more attention their original little protests ever did and now they don't even have to spend the gas money.


On the other hand, by counter-protesting, by making a big fuss of people who vocally and behaviorally show they don't agree with those views, they are accomplishing multiple goals. Yes, one of them is feeding attention whores, but that is just one consequence and it is a minor one. More importantly, it sends a loud message that there is a growing portion of the country that disagrees with those horrible views expressed loudly by attention whores like the WBC... views that are quietly held by a still large number of the country that aren't in the WBC. The more that is made of people saying "We disagree with this" the more people who are victimized by homophobia are aware that the nation's conscience is changing, that they are becoming more accepted, that it does get better, that equality for all is a realistic and attainable goal. Simply being silent too often sends the unintentional message that "we just don't care that people are so loudly oppressing a group of fellow Americans". Silence enables bullies more than confrontation, even if the bullies do want attention. So, f*ck all calls to ignore the trolls or whatever. My friends who are LGBT, and the millions of other LGBT adults, teens, and children in this country should know that we care enough about them to stand up to assholes like the WBC.
 
2013-03-19 02:22:50 PM
If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:23:31 PM

gilgigamesh: Yeah, from all accounts they seem like pretty affable people who are basically in on the joke, or at least have thick enough skins to absorb the mockery.


Maybe the latter, but from what those who've left the WBC have said not so much the former.
 
2013-03-19 02:23:38 PM

kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.



They can file a lawsuit saying that the new garish paint color financially harmed them by reducing their property values.  It'd get thrown out, but they don't care - they'd represent themselves while this guy would have to hire a lawyer.  They'd end up spending less on court costs than he would on lawyers hours and call it a win.

Of course, then he could also countersue, saying that the lowered property value also lowered their property taxes, which would probably end up being more than someone would want to pay for a building infested with WBCooties.
 
2013-03-19 02:24:11 PM

Farce-Side: I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.


Nah. They're really good at getting people from diverse backgrounds to come together and go, "wow, yeah, those guys are total douchebags."
 
2013-03-19 02:24:34 PM

chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.


       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.
 
2013-03-19 02:24:42 PM
I drove past a gaggle of the WBC loonies today, they had toned it down for the moment sporting only signs that said "Topeka is a city of bastards!
 
2013-03-19 02:26:59 PM
Now it just needs a pop-tart cat to the side...
aboutcolonblank.com
 
2013-03-19 02:27:22 PM

freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".


Yeah, but that doesn't really say anything unless you judge someone based on what's under Education in their resume. Plenty of notable people out there never went to college at all.

I was more referring to this part: a 31-year-old community-college dropout whose other projects have included opening orphanages in India and Haiti and buying a thousand acres of endangered rain forest in Peru. This year, his charity, Planting Peace, also intends to de-worm every child in Guatemala.

Really, if he had finished college he probably would've just learned how better to channel that money/effort to himself rather than for others. For many folks that would be a good thing I spose.
 
2013-03-19 02:31:41 PM
A TPM link to a Gawker link ...
 
2013-03-19 02:31:44 PM
Racing pinstripes. Nice.

They could stop with the five colours in the picture and it would look great!

On the North Shore of New Brunswick and elsewhere in the Maritimes, the Acadians (French) and the fishermen (various) often paint their houses in bright colours, unlike the Anglos who usually stick to white, gray, or occasionally, mustard yellow (the original mustard yellow paint was made from real mustard seed). I suspect that some of the fishermen use the same colours as they use on their fishing dories. Saves money and works as a sort of "team" colour so you can tell which fisherman lives where if you know his boat by sight.

I saw one small house which was decorated with daubs of coloured paint. Presumably some economical poor soul had gotten their hands on various small cans of left-over paint and decided to use them all. I'm not talking neat polka dots, here, but just rough brush strokes.

A bit eccentric, but then, my great-uncle wore a wig (long straight woman's hair, not a toupee) and paneled his car with house siding. Embarrassed my grandfather to no end but he was mostly harmless.

Speaking of eccentrics, I did some additions to my family tree this week and Lyndon Hermyle Larouche, Jr. is my eighth cousin twice removed*. Yes, that's really what his middle H. stands for. He got the name from his father, Senior, who got it from Hermyle Parent, an ancestor of his who died in the 1920s, about the time Junior was born.

*Not removed far enough, as some might say.

I managed to get Madonna the Female Cabalist down from eighth cousin twice removed to fifth cousin once removed, which is what I expected she would be given the close connection in maternal lines.

Here's the punch line:  Lyndon H. Larouche, Jr. is not the weirdest crank in my family tree.

Check out Dr. Ezekiel Stone Wiggins, the learned educator, bureaucrat and weather prognosticator. Among his bizarre beliefs were:  dinosaurs still live--on the bottom of the ocean; a planet must have an atmosphere to be visible so both the Sun and the Moon have atmospheres; and you can predict the weather and earthquakes. Wikipedia has a cartoon of him published by one of the New York papers of the day. He looks like a mad gnome. In reality he was a wealthy, handsome and distinguished gentleman who was, outside of his private beliefs, an able educator, genealogist and federal official (Department of Finance). Which proves that you don't have to be stupid to be weird and that intelligence and education are no protection whatsoever against weird religion, politics, or other cranky beliefs. Smart people are some of the dumbest people I know.

I fear that I have one or two distant relations who were even more tragically nutty than Wiggins. For one thing, my ancestors practically founded the Baptist religion in the Maritime provinces of Canada and some of them were no doubt fit rivals for the Westboro Church, although most of them were quite devout and earnest Christians, if a bit off the broad and comfortable beaten path of mainstream Christianity in their time.

Also, I don't now what a Justin Bieber is, but I found one in my family tree (tenth cousin, twice removed) and may have to shake him out with a broom.

French Canadians seem liable to become musicians and actors. In addition to Madonna, I have Angelina Jolie, Céline Dion, Avril Lavigne, Ryan Gosling and a number of other people of barely concealed French Canadian ancestry (also Hilary Clinton and LaRouche). Even the Bushes and Obama have turned up, albeit with English Canadian ancestors.

You'd expect Lyndon H. Larouche, Jr. to be a bit weird. His father was a Roman Catholic who became a Quaker who made his children not fight back. As a result, they were mercilessly bullied at school. i wonder if that's what happened to Richard M. Nixon? He certainly had a bit of a chip on his shoulder about the smart and popular kids. So did Senator "Joe" Eugene McCarthy, who was a Roman Catholic and a Eugene.

Oh, well. It is better to mock than to bully or be bullied. At least us weirdos think so.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:12 PM

Felgraf: But that doesn't WORK, because the controversy-and-spectacle loving media WILL INTERVIEW THEM ANYWAYS.


That's the media's fault. And has a media-conscious public, the best we can do is chastise the media every time they do it, so they can know not to do it in the future.

Felgraf: No. The way you win is akin to what this guy did


And by doing so, you have already lost. It's like playing The Game.

This family loves 4chan more than anything else. Bring it to them. They bask in your attention.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:38 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Actually, they dont hate anyone. They are just fishing for lawsuits and attention. So really, you have done nothing but give them what they are seeking. Try ignoring they exist. Like the rest of us.


Actually, they do.  Old Man Phelps has enough hate within him to fuel the Pentagon.
 
2013-03-19 02:32:42 PM

Sudlow: If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.


Pretty sure having a hateful church in the neighborhood reduces property values more.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:32 PM
Ugh.  Just reminds me I have to paint the garage this spring.  I hate painting.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:43 PM
They'll be getting a visit from code enforcers shortly.
 
2013-03-19 02:34:58 PM

jaybeezey: I like it. If i lived there i would help them paint the mfkr.


A whole bunch o' this.
 
2013-03-19 02:35:58 PM

Karac: kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.


Considering that Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court I'd be careful  saying what the Westboro Baptist Church can or can't do legally.  Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court.  Not many people can say they've done that.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:17 PM
It is funny, but it would be funnier if the dude painting the house knew which colors traditionally make up a rainbow.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:34 PM

brap: They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.


Just stay away from my Fat Cats Go Down Alleys Eating Baloney.
 
2013-03-19 02:39:23 PM

Gonz: FloydA: Kids, please come out for goodness' sake! Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.

No, no, no.

Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using nothing. Peanuts should never have been involved in the first farking place, and it's for the best that they're out of the equation.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-19 02:39:29 PM
I'm sure all the other neighbors are pleased as punch.
 
2013-03-19 02:40:10 PM

WTF Indeed: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"


Sometimes trolls deserve to be trolled.
 
2013-03-19 02:40:24 PM
Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.
 
2013-03-19 02:41:53 PM
An artist can plop down 80k for a house. Once again, I got on the wrong career train.
 
2013-03-19 02:42:33 PM
From TFA:

Turns out there are two bedrooms, one bathroom, a carpeting dining area, two garages (the house sits at a corner), a fireplace, hardwood floors, a small porch, and a decent-sized yard that overlooks the headquarters of an active hate group. "The view is what I bought the home for," Jackson said.

Once in a very great while, I love American journalism.
 
2013-03-19 02:42:40 PM
+1 to subby for appropriate use of "literally"
 
2013-03-19 02:43:43 PM
By the way, are there any old-school Astros fans here?
 
2013-03-19 02:44:45 PM

freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".




What college dropouts might look like.
blurppy.files.wordpress.com

www.buzzreactor.com

So what have you done with your degree(s)?
 
2013-03-19 02:45:43 PM
This added attention will surely doom them!

/I doubt they even know what the rainbow stands for or even care..
 
2013-03-19 02:46:24 PM
Those kids from Guatemala really need to lay down the really old egg salad sandwiches from truck stop vending machines.
 
2013-03-19 02:48:04 PM
If the the "Westies" complain about it, just tell them it's the headquarters of The American Prism Manufacturers Association.
 
d3
2013-03-19 02:50:14 PM
Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.
 
2013-03-19 02:50:44 PM

mrshowrules: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

Sue, based on what?  You can just ignore all the legal paper until you get to your court summons and just show up and the judge would throw it out instantly.  If not, ACLU would show up and provide you free defense anyways.  You couldn't lose and it wouldn't cost you a penny.


There may be zoning laws against painting the house that way.  Wasn't someone in trouble for painting spots on their house in another state?  People always get tripped up by the small steps and Westboro seems to thrive on that.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:13 PM

Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.


The problem with the WBC, and almost every anti-gay group out there, is that this  isn't a concrete problem--this is a problem of society. There are a  lot of people who just hate gays, women, and anyone who isn't a white rich male.

Telling WBC, or any other hate group, where to shove it--especially by making such an in-your-face point--is a solution. The WBC aren't just attention whores, they represent a lot of American hate, and that hate should be fought. This is a good way to do it. Ignoring the WBC wouldn't change a thing for anyone but the WBC; actions like this tell hateful people that society doesn't agree with them, and  that changes  society.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:48 PM
The city wil probably put a stop to this. Some zoning issue or something.

Then again, they don't have problem with the GOD HATES... banners on the haters' home, so maybe not.

I've actually come to realize that the Westboro lunatics have actually been positive for the advancement of equal rights for gays in the past decade as they've so obviously revealed how repellent gay bigotry is. No thinking decent person want to be associated with those cretins.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:21 PM

d3: Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.




Well, it was their choice to raise them gay.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:43 PM
I'm changing my mind on Phelps. He doesn't preach violence. He doesn't press for laws against gays. He's just pushing his version of the Bible. Is he a mean, bitter jerk? Yes. Has any single person done more do advance the acceptance of gays? I can't think of one.
I don't think his animosity is grounded in gays, anyway. He hates the average American. He's trolling us on the First Amendment and Christianity, forcing us to take a side on an issue (homosexuality) the majority of us would prefer to ignore, and exploiting some of our hypocrisy toward free speech and the Bible.
He's fascinating and relevant - something most performance artists aren't.
 
2013-03-19 02:54:03 PM
Oh. When I read the headline's "literally brilliant," I thought the plan was to follow those evil farks around with a couple dozen 40 million candlewatt lights wherever they protest.
 
2013-03-19 02:54:55 PM
Now all they need is a "God hates straights" campaign.
 
2013-03-19 02:55:42 PM

StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?


For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!
 
2013-03-19 02:59:54 PM

gingerjet: How 'bout we trying something really radical? Like ignoring the idiots. Just imagine how much we can change if we put all the energy we spend dealing with the WBC into mentoring, working with our legislators to pass better laws, or really doing anything else. But no. We got to make ourselves feel allcuddly by giving the attention whores more attention.


Quite clearly, there's always someone that's going to give them attention no matter how many times you tell people to ignore them, and you're just going to keep shouting this uselessly. Realistically, they're never going to stop getting attention.

So the second-best thing to do is hijack the attention they do get.
 
2013-03-19 03:00:20 PM

WTF Indeed: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"


Yeah, all-in-all pretty lame.  "Brilliant" would be something that actually causes them pain or discomfort, or in some way thwarts or complicates their "mission".  This is right up there with wearing a pink ribbon to "raise awareness" of breast cancer...does nothing but make the person wearing it fell better.
 
2013-03-19 03:00:41 PM

Sudlow: If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.


First Amendment rights on a privately owned house are HUGE. You add to that the fact that this particular display was intended to promote a political viewpoint, and the owner is bullet proof. City of Ladue v. Gilleo was a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

Also, please list the frivolous litigation that the Phelps clan has engaged in. Are you talking about where Indiana made it a felony to peacefully protest on public property within 500m of a funeral? Because again, the Supreme Court took Westboro's side in Synder v. Phelps.

So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?
 
2013-03-19 03:03:50 PM
Just looked at the google maps myself.  Is it just me, or is that a Canadian flag flying over an up-side-down US one in the WBC compound?
 
2013-03-19 03:04:13 PM
Faaabulous!
 
2013-03-19 03:06:01 PM

Devolving_Spud: Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.


Don't bet on it. After all, this is Topuka we're talking about. One of the most smugly self-satisfied enclaves of religious righteousness in the country. In fact, it would not surprise me if the city fathers don't find some code violation (running a business, even a non-profit, from a house zoned 'residential only'?) with which to force the guy out.

They may not like Phelps, but they sure as HELL don't like outsiders mocking their fair city.

/spent 3 years going there 4 times a year for a week at a time to finish a project
 
2013-03-19 03:06:57 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.

       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.


The prosecution rests.
 
2013-03-19 03:09:27 PM
Good for him.

But dollars to donughts says he's gone in a year.
 
2013-03-19 03:12:30 PM

Jackpot777: theguyyousaw: Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes



...he hates meatballs in a West Country sauce too.


I could see cigarettes but, man..., how could god hate pork meatballs?
 
2013-03-19 03:12:58 PM

Kome: My friends who are LGBT, and the millions of other LGBT adults, teens, and children in this country should know that we care enough about them to stand up to assholes like the WBC.


This
 
2013-03-19 03:13:49 PM
Just so you know, we're having a freak snow-storm in Topeka today.  So I don't know how much painting is getting done.

But I approve.  I'll be sure to drive by and see the place.
 
2013-03-19 03:16:01 PM

ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?



This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 03:16:29 PM
Part of me loves this.  Part of me knows this will not end well.
 
2013-03-19 03:20:10 PM
"The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  Or words to that effect.

On the one hand, if ignoring these gaping a$$holes was effective I'd be all for it.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.  On the other hand--pass me that paintbrush, would you?  Thanks.
 
2013-03-19 03:22:36 PM

Phadeguy: Now it just needs a pop-tart cat to the side...
[aboutcolonblank.com image 850x531]


THIS!
 
2013-03-19 03:23:14 PM
*points at the WBC*  Haw haw!
 
2013-03-19 03:25:38 PM
Wasn't Fred Phelps was pointed out as possibly being gay?  If so then perhaps he thinks the paint job across the street is FABULOUS!   :-D
 
2013-03-19 03:26:56 PM
All WBC will do is get someone to add a zoning law detailing acceptable colors or tones in the homes in that area.

They have lots of money and, I'm sure, lots of political clout there.

Alternatively, there are so many other ways to get the house changed that it's simply a bump in the road for these life-hating...people.

Disappointing but I guess for those who live in only this time period, it's a happy thing for now.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:19 PM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x257]



So.... when the anti-gay rights people stage their protests, they are just innocently expressing their opinion, whereas the pro gay rights side buys a house and paints a rainbow on it, they are jack-booted thugs who are out to destroy the Constitution.

This made sense to you at the time you wrote it, huh?  OK.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:05 PM

Zul the Magnificent: "The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  Or words to that effect.

On the one hand, if ignoring these gaping a$$holes was effective I'd be all for it.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.  On the other hand--pass me that paintbrush, would you?  Thanks.


What Zul said.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:24 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


it looks like a saturday morning cartoons logo ;T
 
2013-03-19 03:30:39 PM
Now he needs to paint "gay sex is awesome" across the longest side.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:35 PM

ProfessorOhki: Good thing there's no HOA; they'd probably side with Phelps.


Scanning the comments for HOA,

If the Phelps family owns the majority of the property in the neighborhood, and it sounds like they do, and there is not already a HOA...

What's stopping the Phelps klan from forming one, then issuing fines against the garishly decorated house bringing down property values? And is that area even zoned to allow a commercial operation like a LGBT outreach center? They could go after them for that as well
 
2013-03-19 03:32:10 PM

freeforever: StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?

For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!




Thanks for reminding me that ivy-league drop-outs are not the same as community-college dropouts. I was trying to be amusing.

Though, statistically speaking, many successful entrepreneurs are dropouts.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:57 PM
I didn't realize the Phelps compound was so close to the road. Well within molotov cocktail range.
 
2013-03-19 03:33:09 PM

freeforever: StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?

For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!




You're right, it is a funny phrase.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:11 PM

Jackpot777: theguyyousaw: Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes

[images.mysupermarket.co.uk image 850x507]

...he hates meatballs in a West Country sauce too.


The uvula photoshop contest was yesterday... missed it by *that* much
 
2013-03-19 03:38:01 PM

Devolving_Spud: Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.


That would drive up property values, allowing the WBC to sell for a huge tax free windfall and relocate somewhere else.

cdn.dashburst.com
 
2013-03-19 03:38:17 PM
Bigots protesting bigots.
 
2013-03-19 03:40:30 PM
with homes topping out at a whopping roughly 100k, I dont think you would notice them declining anyway.
 
2013-03-19 03:40:32 PM

PsiChick: Telling WBC, or any other hate group, where to shove it--especially by making such an in-your-face point--is a solution. The WBC aren't just attention whores, they represent a lot of American hate, and that hate should be fought. This is a good way to do it. Ignoring the WBC wouldn't change a thing for anyone but the WBC; actions like this tell hateful people that society doesn't agree with them, and that changes society.


This is only true if society doesn't accept gays en masse, and other than bigots and closeted Republicans, this simply isn't the case anymore, and going out of your way to counter-protest the WBC is preaching to the choir. Everyone already knows the family is nuts. They're not called The Most Hated Family in America for nothing. So adding more vitriol is piling on/kicking a dead horse. It doesn't change the existing narrative, doesn't introduce any new ones, and the family wants you to do it.

There is nothing that can be done by any documentary filmmaker or news broadcast team or merry pranksters to improve society's understanding or relations with this Church nor is there anything anyone can say to discredit, denounce or sway them. Giving them more attention is like wrestling with a pig - you feel dirty afterward and the pig likes it.

The only solution, then, is to ignore them, but the media won't do that because the media can't help it - it is biased toward sensationalism and emotionally-charged rhetoric. Whenever there's a tragedy, the media is the first car to slow down and gawk at it. That's neither a good or bad thing, it's just what the media does.
 
2013-03-19 03:41:01 PM

Arkanaut: +1 to subby for appropriate use of "literally"


Thanks.  Idiots who use it when they mean figuratively make me all pitchforky.

My own prediction:  Some local neanderthals get a couple of 12 packs of Natty Light under their belt and decide to go over there and deface the place.  The Guatemalan worm destroyer has the foresight to have some of those teensy little lipstick cameras installed under the eaves.  Prosecutorial hilarity ensues.
 
2013-03-19 03:42:03 PM
 
2013-03-19 03:44:09 PM

Cerebral Knievel: What's stopping the Phelps klan from forming one, then issuing fines against the garishly decorated house bringing down property values?


HOAs are deed-restricted covenants. The most the Phelps clan could do at this point would be to ask if the activist would like to join their HOA, and then file a modification to the deed in court.

If you really don't want to be part of an HOA, it's possible to go to court and have your deed modified. But most HOAs will fight that with every legal recourse at their disposal.
 
2013-03-19 03:46:53 PM

WhoGAS: Disappointing but I guess for those who live in only this time period, it's a happy thing for now.


Don't we ALL live only in THIS time period? Are you a Galefreyan or something?
 
2013-03-19 03:46:57 PM
ZeroPly:(ignored: moronic facist woman)


It's so wonderful when insane people post how stupid they are and make it easy to spot them.

By the way lady, meat tastes delicious, I'll go sacrifice a goat in your honor.
 
2013-03-19 03:47:52 PM
Bah. Gay dudes in speedos making out right in front of them at every protest. And them ask them why they are such terrible parents for bringing their kids to these events.

I doubt they'll buckle but those kids are going to have have some pretty damn wierd anyway... May as well as throw that memory in the mix.

Don't fight them, play with their heads.
 
2013-03-19 03:48:14 PM
i464.photobucket.com

PLEASE DO NOT TAUNT THE DYNAMITE MONKEY
 
2013-03-19 03:48:54 PM

FloydA: brap: They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.

Kids, please come out for goodness' sake!  Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.


But Pluto isn't a planet.
 
2013-03-19 03:50:52 PM

d3: Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.


Statistically, shouldn't it be ~3% of them in any given generation, with the "quiverfull" folks just kinda asking for it?

Drake Equation time:

Given that there are 45k Southern Baptist Congregations, if (conservatively) half of their pastors (>22k) have sons, and 3% of them are gay, then 675 of them should have a gay son, at least.

Average it out over a generation and it's like 1-2 of these "scandals" per month, not counting the closet cases.
 
2013-03-19 03:51:30 PM

Skraeling: with homes topping out at a whopping roughly 100k, I dont think you would notice them declining anyway.


And that high only because Topuka is the farking capitol of Kansas.
 
2013-03-19 03:52:06 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
The only solution to the whole WBC catastrophe.

/it's got Paul Anka's guarantee.
 
2013-03-19 03:52:48 PM
Great idea, but I don't think he's thought his cunning plan all the way through. The first thing the dicks at WBC are going to do is call the city building inspector and at that point they'll be repainting the house a more appropriate color. Then there are the targets this guy and his buddy just painted on themselves in an intensely anti-gay community. He should buy Goodyear stock because that Prius is going to need a lot of new tires over the next few months, and perhaps some windshields. He may as well give up his plan to have a lawn, because it won't be long before someone paints a message onto it with bleach or herbicide. I give him about 8-10 months before the hostility breaks him and he flees, abandoning his $81,000 house and putting himself into debt that will follow him for years, maybe decades.

Great idea and I hope I'm wrong, but bigots are always willing to cross lines that normal folks aren't.
 
2013-03-19 03:54:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: WhoGAS: Disappointing but I guess for those who live in only this time period, it's a happy thing for now.

Don't we ALL live only in THIS time period? Are you a Galefreyan or something?


My apologies as I seem to have misspoke.  Yes, we're all in this time period.
 
2013-03-19 03:57:10 PM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x257]


Yeap you have the right to be a dick but everyone else has the right to call you a dick.
 
2013-03-19 03:57:16 PM

HallsOfMandos: FloydA: brap: They messed up the stripes, if you're going to gay things up a bit how in the bloody yell can you forget VIOLET!

ROY-G-BIV DAMMIT!

Feels very strongly about my mnemonic devices, I hope some day society allows me to marry my dear friend  Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge without judgement.

Kids, please come out for goodness' sake!  Mother very easily made a jelly sandwich using no peanuts.

But Pluto isn't a planet.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-19 03:57:20 PM
When the headline said "literally brilliant", I thought it was some sort of ingenious device that flashes bright lights in some manner that prevents WBC protests from being photographed, thus depriving them of attention.

This is, instead, a childish and counterproductive stunt.
 
2013-03-19 04:00:36 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Those kids from Guatemala really need to lay down the really old egg salad sandwiches from truck stop vending machines.


What's that black cracker?
 
2013-03-19 04:03:00 PM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

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When one side is saying "You people are the cause of all misery on earth" "You will suffer for all eternity because you love the wrong people" "You're what's wrong with this country" and supporting state policies that prevent teachers and adults from intervening when LGBT teens and children are bullied to the point of suicide, and all other manner of crap... Yea, I can really see how people responding "You're a bunch of ignorant assholes, and because of it I'm going to do more to support equal rights for the LGBT community" is militantly pro-gay and hateful. Those poor f*cking babies having their rights to harass other law-abiding citizens trampled.

F*ck you for the false equivalence. Calling a bunch of assholes out for being racist, homophobic, sexist, or hateful in any other way and saying we are not a people that will stand for it is manifestly NOT intolerant or hateful in return. It's goddamn human decency to stand up to bullies, arsonists, kidnappers, murderers, and domestic terrorists who devote their lives to ruining those of other US citizens - whether it is WBC and gays or the pro-life groups and medical professionals who provide abortions to women or racist conservatives and Hispanics - is the exact f*cking opposite of intolerance and hate. If you don't like that there's a large segment of the population that feels passionately that "with liberty and justice for all" actually means something important, then just seriously f*ck you.
 
2013-03-19 04:03:14 PM

Dear Jerk: I'm changing my mind on Phelps. He doesn't preach violence. He doesn't press for laws against gays. He's just pushing his version of the Bible. Is he a mean, bitter jerk? Yes. Has any single person done more do advance the acceptance of gays? I can't think of one.
I don't think his animosity is grounded in gays, anyway. He hates the average American. He's trolling us on the First Amendment and Christianity, forcing us to take a side on an issue (homosexuality) the majority of us would prefer to ignore, and exploiting some of our hypocrisy toward free speech and the Bible.
He's fascinating and relevant - something most performance artists aren't.


He's like the flip side of that Onion article:  "Gay rights parade sets back gay rights 50 years."
 
2013-03-19 04:04:33 PM
I can't believe I never considered the possibility until now, but what if Fred Phelps and his WBC have been trolling us all this time?

Fred is a Democrat and was a Civil Rights activist. What if he's really as liberal as his past would imply, and he cooked up this scheme to discredit anti-homosexual movements and accelerate society's acceptance of homosexuality, and also to discredit conservative extremism in general? What if it's all performance art on a massive scale?

It fits. It would explain why, after picketing funerals of people like Matthew Shepard who were homosexual and killed for that reason, they also went after the funerals of soldiers, carried posters saying "God Bless IEDs" and such, and basically making themselves hated for reasons that go far beyond mere opposition to homosexuality, lowering the bar each time (even threatening to protest at the funeral of the Sandy Hook child victims ― would someone who professes to believe as they do really do such a thing to kids, most of whom wouldn't even have been gay? Remember, Jesus said that anyone who offends a child would be better off being drowned to death!) thus tarring that with the same brush in the minds of the populace.
 
2013-03-19 04:08:56 PM

HallsOfMandos: But Pluto isn't a planet.


We've already covered that.
 
2013-03-19 04:09:46 PM

phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.


Troll or idiot?
 
2013-03-19 04:12:06 PM

Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?


Yes.
 
2013-03-19 04:14:22 PM

COMALite J: I can't believe I never considered the possibility until now, but what if Fred Phelps and his WBC have been trolling us all this time?

Fred is a Democrat and was a Civil Rights activist. What if he's really as liberal as his past would imply, and he cooked up this scheme to discredit anti-homosexual movements and accelerate society's acceptance of homosexuality, and also to discredit conservative extremism in general? What if it's all performance art on a massive scale?

It fits. It would explain why, after picketing funerals of people like Matthew Shepard who were homosexual and killed for that reason, they also went after the funerals of soldiers, carried posters saying "God Bless IEDs" and such, and basically making themselves hated for reasons that go far beyond mere opposition to homosexuality, lowering the bar each time (even threatening to protest at the funeral of the Sandy Hook child victims ― would someone who professes to believe as they do really do such a thing to kids, most of whom wouldn't even have been gay? Remember, Jesus said that anyone who offends a child would be better off being drowned to death!) thus tarring that with the same brush in the minds of the populace.


clap clap clap

I suspect he deserves a medal (or 4).

The true changers of social attitudes do not stand up for applause but are generally ridiculed in their time (would be sweet if he was a member of the 5th column.)
 
2013-03-19 04:15:07 PM

dv-ous: Devolving_Spud: Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.

That would drive up property values, allowing the WBC to sell for a huge tax free windfall and relocate somewhere else.

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Gawdamit! I can't get enough of that grumpy cat.
 
2013-03-19 04:17:10 PM

pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(


On what grounds would they sue him? His choice of paint colors?
 
2013-03-19 04:20:11 PM

JohnBigBootay: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

On what grounds would they sue him? His choice of paint colors?


Possibly (some other Farker pointed out).  Certain colors could constitute residential zoning infractions.
 
2013-03-19 04:21:45 PM

Skraeling: for your zillow comedy hour check out the property values by the church.

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Topeka-KS-66604/87235_rid/price a_ sort/39.047696,-95.718606,39.044696,-95.722442_rect/17_zm/1_fr/


Wait... Topeka's ZIP code prefix is 666?

It would seem that God hates Topeka...
 
2013-03-19 04:22:04 PM

WTF Indeed: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"


www3.telus.net

Immediately thought of this...
 
2013-03-19 04:24:52 PM
"I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it... Except for the Westboro Baptist Church, they need to STFU."

~Voltaire
 
2013-03-19 04:27:27 PM

ProfessorOhki: Good thing there's no HOA; they'd probably side with Phelps.


No, but there are almost certainly zoning restrictions on painting your home more than two colors.  Hopefully the guy looked them up before plunking down $81k.
 
2013-03-19 04:28:23 PM
If you were an upstart with a few charity ideas already going but wanted to step it up and get some bigger supporters, while showing yourself to be edgy and good hearted, and had an $85,000 marketing budget, how could you get more possitive exposure with that little amount? WBC is already known, a fewa articles dont help or hurt them. Those same articles help this guy and his friends immeasurably. he wins here for sure.  good play.  maximum ROI. I didnt even know guat kids had worms let alone there are projects to fix them...
 
2013-03-19 04:35:42 PM

Electromax: Well I for one approve of this. Don't listen to all the Farkers crying "why bother" dude, it's easy to sit around and do nothing. That's done so well to stifle the WBC thus far, with every media outlet still publishing every protest they give.

Good on ya for the positive works described elsewhere in TFA too, sounds like he's doing good things around the world. No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Hope he hosts lots of pride events at the house too, just to make the neighborhood uncomfortable.


This is what will make the purchase of that particular house worth all the negativity and doubt going on right now.
 
2013-03-19 04:36:08 PM
This is what I'm talking about.  Well played...  farking fantastic.
 
2013-03-19 04:37:35 PM
Next project: Install glory hole in bathroom
 
2013-03-19 04:38:42 PM
Funny they don't look presbyterians to me

/really I'm the first?
//can you picture that
 
2013-03-19 04:42:54 PM

Sudlow: If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.


Goose meet gander.

IANAL, but I bet the hate-church would also be guilty of those things.
 
2013-03-19 04:43:18 PM

PsiChick: The problem with the WBC, and almost every anti-gay group out there, is that this isn't a concrete problem--this is a problem of society. There are a lot of people who just hate gays, women, and anyone who isn't a white rich male.


Rich white males can be gay. It has been known to happen.
 
2013-03-19 04:43:20 PM
FTA: Turns out there are two bedrooms, one bathroom, a carpeting dining area, two garages (the house sits at a corner), a fireplace, hardwood floors, a small porch, and a decent-sized yard that overlooks the headquarters of an active hate group.

Seems appropriate
 
2013-03-19 04:45:10 PM

GAT_00: This will work right up until the place gets firebombed.


doubt it.. if there's one thing WBC as a hate groups differs from other hate groups is that they are non violent.
 
2013-03-19 04:46:20 PM

ProfessorOhki: PsiChick: The problem with the WBC, and almost every anti-gay group out there, is that this isn't a concrete problem--this is a problem of society. There are a lot of people who just hate gays, women, and anyone who isn't a white rich male.

Rich white males can be gay. It has been known to happen.


Ideology very rarely cares about reality.
 
2013-03-19 04:46:27 PM

Texas Gabe: FTA: Turns out there are two bedrooms, one bathroom, a carpeting dining area, two garages (the house sits at a corner), a fireplace, hardwood floors, a small porch, and a decent-sized yard that overlooks the headquarters of an active hate group.

Seems appropriate


can't believe someone didn't make this joke long ago
 
2013-03-19 04:47:24 PM

WhoGAS: All WBC will do is get someone to add a zoning law detailing acceptable colors or tones in the homes in that area.



Zoning laws aren't retroactive.  Absent destroying the bulk of the building changes to the zoning ordnance would not be effective.  Not to mention that color or tone wouldn't fall under the normal construction, usage, bulk, or height aspects of the zoning ordnance.  Appearance regulations are something you'd find more often in a special district (historical, commercial, etc).
 
2013-03-19 04:48:47 PM

chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.

       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.

The prosecution rests.


    Yup, you sure got me there with that cutting wit. Feel free to bask in your smugly superior cloud of denial.
 
2013-03-19 04:49:15 PM

mylonitic: TheGreatGazoo: Those kids from Guatemala really need to lay down the really old egg salad sandwiches from truck stop vending machines.

What's that black cracker?


A tomato- *crunch crunch crunch*
 
2013-03-19 04:50:52 PM

JK47: WhoGAS: All WBC will do is get someone to add a zoning law detailing acceptable colors or tones in the homes in that area.


Zoning laws aren't retroactive.  Absent destroying the bulk of the building changes to the zoning ordnance would not be effective.  Not to mention that color or tone wouldn't fall under the normal construction, usage, bulk, or height aspects of the zoning ordnance.  Appearance regulations are something you'd find more often in a special district (historical, commercial, etc).


Good to know.  Thank you.
 
2013-03-19 04:54:20 PM

d3: Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.


actually an even BIGGER irony/humor of all is these staunch conservatives tend to belief in the nurture part vs the nature ... so THEY raised their kids to be gay!
 
2013-03-19 04:56:27 PM

Stone Meadow: Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?

Yes.


  or "that guy doesn't believe what I believe! He has an unpopular opinion and dares stand behind it! Lets mock him and call him names like a child would so nobody does it to us!"
 
2013-03-19 05:02:30 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Awesome. Two foaming at the mouth hate groups square off across a suburban street. I can't help but picture two groups of kids in snow forts winging snows balls at each other except they would use the old testament and tasteful decorating magazines for ammunition.


Oh, look, it's the "Both sides are bad so vote Republican" of gay rights.
 
2013-03-19 05:03:19 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Stone Meadow: Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?

Yes.

  or "that guy doesn't believe what I believe! He has an unpopular opinion and dares stand behind it! Lets mock him and call him names like a child would so nobody does it to us!"


So, you think WBC and their counter-protesters are morally equivalent, eh?
 
2013-03-19 05:04:05 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Actually, they dont hate anyone. They are just fishing for lawsuits and attention.


So, you're saying that they're homophobes OR their lawsuit-happy lawyers ---- evil scum either way.
 
2013-03-19 05:05:51 PM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: too bad we couldn't "Waco" them...

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I like the way you think, but there's a better tool for the job:
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It's fine to crush your enemies and see them driven before you, but there's no reason you can't be fabulous while doing it!
 
2013-03-19 05:10:08 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

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The Orange/Yellow/Green there. I dont know why, but it reminds me of the side walls of a 1970s bowling alley.
 
2013-03-19 05:11:03 PM

JerkStore: He should buy Goodyear stock because that Prius is going to need a lot of new tires over the next few months, and perhaps some windshields. He may as well give up his plan to have a lawn, because it won't be long before someone paints a message onto it with bleach or herbicide.


Video cameras, how do they work?

Sit in the house with the lights off, watch the monitors, call the cops.
 
2013-03-19 05:14:06 PM

Gosling: gingerjet: How 'bout we trying something really radical? Like ignoring the idiots. Just imagine how much we can change if we put all the energy we spend dealing with the WBC into mentoring, working with our legislators to pass better laws, or really doing anything else. But no. We got to make ourselves feel allcuddly by giving the attention whores more attention.

Quite clearly, there's always someone that's going to give them attention no matter how many times you tell people to ignore them, and you're just going to keep shouting this uselessly. Realistically, they're never going to stop getting attention.

So the second-best thing to do is hijack the attention they do get.



It's like a prisoner's dilemma of trolling.
 
2013-03-19 05:16:07 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Stone Meadow: Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?

Yes.

  or "that guy doesn't believe what I believe! He has an unpopular opinion and dares stand behind it! Lets mock him and call him names like a child would so nobody does it to us!"


I'm sorry, how is the guy who bought the house a bigot? Phunkey didn't say anything about disagreeing with anyone's opinion, he made a baseless accusation I called him on it. Do try to keep up.
 
2013-03-19 05:16:51 PM
I do not like this pride flag business on that house.  Are they painting over some kind of color injected vinyl siding?  Shouldn't they have laid down some primer first?
 
2013-03-19 05:17:26 PM
I woundn't be surprised if his friend Davis Hammet is from my family. Historically speaking, that part of my family seems to have a penchant for pissing off bigots.
 
2013-03-19 05:17:52 PM

ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?



I realize that you're a troll and routinely misrepresent facts in these threads, but out of curiosity, do you have any plans to back up that claim "our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech"?  Or are you just hoping for bites?

If the latter, congratulations, I guess.
 
2013-03-19 05:22:57 PM

freeforever: This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.


Yes, but fortunately, the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end only exist in your deranged fantasies, so sane people don't really need to be disturbed by them.
 
2013-03-19 05:25:07 PM
WBC can pontificate all they want, but they still can't legally enter Canada.
 
2013-03-19 05:27:26 PM

Harry Freakstorm: An artist can plop down 80k for a house. Once again, I got on the wrong career train.


I had never heard of him until this article, and I haven't researched him at all - but I'm guessing he has some big backer's cash at his disposal if he's doing all of the things for which he's receiving credit.

Hey guys.  What have you done today?
Me?  I dewormed Guatemala.
 
2013-03-19 05:30:58 PM

karmaceutical: I do not like this pride flag business on that house.  Are they painting over some kind of color injected vinyl siding?  Shouldn't they have laid down some primer first?


Given the tone of greyish-white otherwise, I think they did just that.
 
2013-03-19 05:31:39 PM

JerkStore: Great idea, but I don't think he's thought his cunning plan all the way through. The first thing the dicks at WBC are going to do is call the city building inspector and at that point they'll be repainting the house a more appropriate color. Then there are the targets this guy and his buddy just painted on themselves in an intensely anti-gay community. He should buy Goodyear stock because that Prius is going to need a lot of new tires over the next few months, and perhaps some windshields. He may as well give up his plan to have a lawn, because it won't be long before someone paints a message onto it with bleach or herbicide. I give him about 8-10 months before the hostility breaks him and he flees, abandoning his $81,000 house and putting himself into debt that will follow him for years, maybe decades.

Great idea and I hope I'm wrong, but bigots are always willing to cross lines that normal folks aren't.


Someone else in the thread already suggested security cameras.  Another Farker figured he could get the ACLU involved if the WBC tries to sue him.  You may be right in that he's going to be targeted for hate, but that happens any time you take a stand on issues like this.  He does have tools at his disposal and people willing to help him for free.
 
2013-03-19 05:33:37 PM
Fighting hate with hate. Brilliant indeed.
 
2013-03-19 05:34:12 PM

Kome: F*ck you for the false equivalence. Calling a bunch of assholes out for being racist, homophobic, sexist, or hateful in any other way and saying we are not a people that will stand for it is manifestly NOT intolerant or hateful in return. It's goddamn human decency to stand up to bullies, arsonists, kidnappers, murderers, and domestic terrorists who devote their lives to ruining those of other US citizens - whether it is WBC and gays or the pro-life groups and medical professionals who provide abortions to women or racist conservatives and Hispanics - is the exact f*cking opposite of intolerance and hate.



An analogy I've used before is "Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry in the same way capital punishment for murder is not murder."

Not that I'm a huge fan of capital punishment, but anything to help clear up a little false equivalence.
 
2013-03-19 05:35:19 PM

Chach: Fighting hate with hate. Brilliant indeed.


Explain, please, how buying a house across a road from a church, and painting it with rainbows is "hate"?
 
2013-03-19 05:35:51 PM
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OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!
 
2013-03-19 05:36:57 PM
They could have used some of that money to de-worm the members of the Westboro Baptist Church.  In fact, they could also have the church members chipped, flea dipped and spayed or neutered.
 
2013-03-19 05:37:22 PM

Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?


Idiot.  Specifically, phunkey_monkey is a staunch homophobe   He's vomited into several other Fark threads before.  As far as I can tell his hatred and bigotry are absolutely sincere.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:10 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: "I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it... Except for the Westboro Baptist Church, they need to STFU."

~Voltaire


For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:26 PM
Ablejack:
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OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!

Awesome! If I didn't know it was real I'd say it was 'shopped. And the falling snowflakes are the crowning touch... ;^)
 
2013-03-19 05:40:30 PM

Ablejack: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 633x375]
OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!


So pretty!
 
2013-03-19 05:43:17 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.

       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.

The prosecution rests.

    Yup, you sure got me there with that cutting wit. Feel free to bask in your smugly superior cloud of denial.


The really funny part is you're too dumb to realize you got OMGWTowned.  But that's fine, your denial is my schadenfreude.
 
2013-03-19 05:45:57 PM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.


There should be a Godwin's Law for South Park references in a political discussion. Seriously, most of the most smug, insufferable, know-it-all jackasses I talk to include a SP reference in every one of their posts on anything remotely political and think it's the height of wit and relevance.


/at least it's something other than "giant douche/turd sandwich" this time.
 
2013-03-19 05:52:59 PM
They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.
 
2013-03-19 05:57:46 PM

ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.


That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced". What  IS common here is admiration for the guy's puck and initiative. That said, I am not in the camp that calls for ignoring them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for provoking them in ways that feed their litigiousness and sense of martyrdom, but I DO think they need to be called out for their hatred and bigotry.

Here's the key: bullies ALWAYS feel empowered when there is no pushback. It is only be resistance that they can be overcome. WBC have gotten away with their antics in large part because people were afraid to call them on their BS in loud and public ways. The rainbow house is a perfect step in combatting their hate.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:43 PM
I like the cut of this man's jib.  I'd like to buy him a drink.  Or groceries.  Or verily even contribute to the Guatemalan kid de-worming thing.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:52 PM
They should've turned it into an abortion clinic.  That would probably have been more effective.

/or maybe the headquarters for a gay dating website.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:32 PM
Doing a quick search of Topeka's city code, I didn't see anything in there that would prevent them from painting their home any color they like. I did find that the church's banner is likely a violation of Section 18.25.230 (Temporary Signs), though. They also have a section devoted to "Intimidation or Bias Crimes" which means that retaliation by the church should be prosecuted (section 9.20.040).

/ the internet has the answers
 
2013-03-19 06:32:11 PM
Don't be so quick to celebrate. The homophobic domestic terrorists of the WBC will dig up some ordinance, codicil, or rule giving standing to sue and argue it all the way to SCOTUS, as usual. They'll keep it tied up in court for perpetuity because that's what they do.

Unless of course a confidential informant tells the ATF they have illegal guns. Then you can just burn 'em out.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:17 PM
Langdon_777:clap clap clap

I suspect he deserves a medal (or 4).

The true changers of social attitudes do not stand up for applause but are generally ridiculed in their time (would be sweet if he was a member of the 5th column.)

Maybe I shouldn't've said anything. If this is really what he's up to, the last thing we'd want to do is to spill the beans.
 
2013-03-19 06:43:20 PM
Farce-Side:I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.

Maybe we grab some inmates from Gitmo, show them the Phelps compound and tell them that George Bush lives there, and then give them vests, C4, and cheap cellphones.  And whatever happens, happens.
 
2013-03-19 06:47:01 PM
Step 1: Say horrible things in public.
Step 2: Be attacked by someone who can't control their temper.
Step 3: Sue their pants off. Settle out of court.
Step 4: Paint more horrible signs. Repeat.

/Step 2 can be replaced with "Have your right to peaceful assembly and free speech infringed upon by public officials."
//Honestly, they won't be shouted down. Every "tactic" against them just makes them more notorious and therefore more capable of pissing people off.
 
2013-03-19 06:52:29 PM
Totally awesome. To the max. Fer shure.

/kudos
 
2013-03-19 07:00:46 PM
I don't understand.  If the Westboro Baptist Church can sue others for public nuisance, etc.  Why has nobody sued them for doing the same?
 
2013-03-19 07:11:14 PM

technofiend: They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.


Great.  A gay bar.  Next thing you know, somebody will start a nuclear war over this issue.
 
2013-03-19 07:12:57 PM

Stone Meadow: ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.

That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced".


No, but there are people here, such as  BEER_ME_in_CT, who are CLAIMING that people are advocating WBC be "silenced".
 
2013-03-19 07:15:02 PM

toilet_lolly: I don't understand.  If the Westboro Baptist Church can sue others for public nuisance, etc.  Why has nobody sued them for doing the same?


They assemble in public places where their free speech is guaranteed. They have the right to assemble. When law enforcement tries to shut them down, they threaten lawsuits. When people get all pissed off an assault them (throw things at them, touch them, etc.) they threaten lawsuits. Towns and people settle out of court, WBC collects a paycheck and then goes on with the pissing people off enough to get a reaction.
 
2013-03-19 07:17:04 PM
Let the construction begin on the tunnels, catapults, and trebuchets.
 
2013-03-19 07:32:37 PM

wxboy: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

What are they going to sue over?


Having a flag pole over 20' tall- seriously.  Zoning laws?  Running a civic center is not the same as running a church.  Neighborhood beautification rules.  I've lived in a few places where people have been forced to alter or limit their paint schemes and yard art collection (not a violation of your 1st ammendment rights) according to neighborhood tastes so they could be restricted to a two or three color paint scheme.

Eventually, depending on the type of loan paying for the home, they will be forced to occupy the home (usually within 31 days of taking possession), or declare it unoccupied and be forced to pay high premiums for unoccupied insurance.  Best part is, the owner- or immediate family-- must occupy it otherwise it need be declared rental (see the zoning laws for that district) or a second or vacation home (gotta prove this is one somehow).  All in all, a varitable minefield of legal issues just to make a point.

I'm not saying it's not awesome what they are doing to the WBC- and God knows,they deserve it-- however, from a legal stand point, they may find themselves in over their heads once the Phelps' gang take on the ACLU as their representatives in this case: and you KNOW they eventually will.
 
2013-03-19 07:35:41 PM

GAT_00: what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.

They usually do.  Rainbow painting a house isn't going to show anyone anything.


If they were true bigots, who believed what they preached, they might drive them crazy enough to overact. But they are only lawsuit trolls, so they will have no effect.
 
2013-03-19 07:41:24 PM
In other news, nation's popcorn vendors now converging on Topeka, Kansas...
 
2013-03-19 07:46:41 PM

Electromax: Well I for one approve of this. Don't listen to all the Farkers crying "why bother" dude, it's easy to sit around and do nothing. That's done so well to stifle the WBC thus far, with every media outlet still publishing every protest they give.

Good on ya for the positive works described elsewhere in TFA too, sounds like he's doing good things around the world. No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Hope he hosts lots of pride events at the house too, just to make the neighborhood uncomfortable.


You're Not Helping!  I would think one would want to something that would induce trust and understanding other than make people uncomfortable to get your point across... or is that the joke?
 
2013-03-19 07:55:33 PM

what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.


If  gays are allowed to marry, the next thing you know they'll be stealing vaccines from Guatemalan babies!
 
2013-03-19 07:59:38 PM
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Yeah I'm sure that will fix their wagon.
 
2013-03-19 08:00:54 PM
freeforever: militant pro gay H8rs? You mean people who believe that everyone should be equal before the law?

THINK
 
2013-03-19 08:05:20 PM
It would be awesome if the neighbors joined in in solidarity. Effectively making Westboro synonymous with gay activism.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:46 PM
For those of you that think this won't rile up Fred Phelps, you don't understand the amount of unholy rage that fills every fiber of his being.  He demands absolute control of his environment.  He'll have one of his kids that still have a law license sue under every zoning regulation in the book.  Can't help but think the guys doing this have no idea what they're getting themselves into.

This has been posted on Fark before from time to time, but it really does need to be read by as many people as possible to really understand what's going on in the WBC.  Unfortunately, it's a long story, so most of you will probably ignore it:

"Addicted to Hate: The Fred Phelps Story"
 
2013-03-19 08:29:56 PM

freeforever: Karac: kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.

Considering that Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court I'd be careful  saying what the Westboro Baptist Church can or can't do legally.  Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court.  Not many people can say they've done that.


Meh, she won because it was pretty cut&dried: Do they have a right to protest under the 1st Amendment? Answer: Yes. Can a city create an ordinance that forbids them from protesting? Answer: No. A newly-minted attorney fresh out of law school could win that one. The only thing controversial in that whole issue was the challenge, not the WBC.

And as for ignoring them...this idea that ignoring a bully makes him go away is antiquated. Maybe it used to work when we were in grade school in the 60's (I doubt it), but for 21st century bullies with access to social media and 24-hour news channels, not so much. The WBC has gone out of its way to insert THEMSELVES into public discourse. They don't just go to public events after all, where it might be possible to pretend they aren't there--they are still out there disrupting people's private lives and most personal, painful moments with their horrible diatribes. I think it is too much to ask a family whose funeral is being picketed by a gaggle of fools with GOD IS GLAD YOUR LOVED ONE IS BURNING IN HELL signs to "just ignore them".

No, nowadays the only way to address people who are this awful and tasteless is to meet them on their own ground, and show them and any potential followers what horrible, evil people they truly are. Make anyone who might be tempted to agree with them ask themselves "Is this the kind of person you want to be like? Someone who violates another person's moment of grief?" In boxing, there is the theory of keeping your opponent constantly on the defensive and always backing up, and that's what's called for here. Don't let them reset their stance and regroup.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:22 PM

ciberido: technofiend: They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.

Great.  A gay bar.  Next thing you know, somebody will start a nuclear war over this issue.


At the gay bar?

[click]

Yeah!

/This is why I love you, you know.  Electric Six are in the top 10 best bands from Detroit.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:45 PM
Hateful abominations fighting with hateful abominations. So very mature.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:24 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-19 09:21:36 PM
Allow me to point you to another in a long list of reasons why I love this country.

Great job!
 
2013-03-19 09:22:38 PM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 850x1133]


Nice, but I'd have a sign in the front yard that said "Oh, and also f*ck you."
 
2013-03-19 09:43:03 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


Kinda reminds me of Activision in the 80's
 
2013-03-19 09:46:09 PM
westboro shiatheds will burn in Hell. I've got it on good (evil) authority...A$$wimp scum coward religionistas will suffer more than our beloved military honored dead...!
 
2013-03-19 10:15:30 PM

freeforever: Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court .... Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court. Not many people can say they've done that.


Actually, about half of the people who've argued a case in front of the Supreme Court can say they've done that.
 
2013-03-19 10:20:30 PM
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2013-03-19 10:37:53 PM
No, this won't do anything at all. It just feeds them their attention sustenance.

Seriously, the only way to truly get back at the Phelps would be to find some way to totally bankrupt them, evict them from their house, and force them to live in the street, clawing for scraps of food.

And I don't know of any way to do that. So yes, sadly, they win.
 
2013-03-19 10:41:54 PM

Barricaded Gunman: freeforever: Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court .... Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court. Not many people can say they've done that.

Actually, about half of the people who've argued a case in front of the Supreme Court can say they've done that.


No, actually.

Most people before the supreme court have lawyers.
 
2013-03-20 12:06:51 AM
nice.  very nice.
 
2013-03-20 12:17:27 AM
Feeding the trolls never resolves an issue or proves a point.
 
2013-03-20 12:24:45 AM

FloydA: ciberido: technofiend: They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.

Great.  A gay bar.  Next thing you know, somebody will start a nuclear war over this issue.

At the gay bar?

[click]

Yeah!

/This is why I love you, you know.  Electric Six are in the top 10 best bands from Detroit.


Awww, I love you, too.  And not just because you bought me TotalFark.
 
2013-03-20 12:26:59 AM

BarkingUnicorn: what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.

If  gays are allowed to marry, the next thing you know they'll be stealing vaccines from Guatemalan babies!



I thought it was sex with ducks we had to worry about.
 
2013-03-20 12:40:04 AM

Relatively Obscure: Like WBC even gives a single fark about something like this.


Precisely. They're in it, plain and simple, for the lawsuit money. Most of 'em have nothing against the gays- in all likelihood a lot of them, from the top, so to speak, down, are closeted- they just want to get more lawsuit money. More lawsuit money= more rentboys.
 
2013-03-20 01:16:27 AM
How does FARK decide which of Reddit's posts to steal and post on their site?  Is there an algorithm, or is it just by cutting and pasting the links and then waiting for them to get greenlit?
 
2013-03-20 01:22:05 AM

cynicalbastard: Relatively Obscure: Like WBC even gives a single fark about something like this.

Precisely. They're in it, plain and simple, for the lawsuit money. Most of 'em have nothing against the gays- in all likelihood a lot of them, from the top, so to speak, down, are closeted- they just want to get more lawsuit money. More lawsuit money= more rentboys.


Wow, you sure know a lot about the WBC. Do tell us more.
 
2013-03-20 01:32:53 AM
SILENCE

IMPLIES

CONSENT


so what are some of y'all doing by telling the rest of us hairy snoot pickers to hush up about the WBC Phelchery?
 
Xai
2013-03-20 04:08:15 AM
You are assuming they believe their own propaganda. They aren't trying to convince anyone, it's all a big scam to keep suing for more money.
 
2013-03-20 04:27:09 AM
OoOoOo, that will learn them! Next we'll stage a Harlem Shake protest. /sarcasm

Yeah, not going to bother them at all.

(And actually, your Jesus-God hates quite a few people if you believe in your Bible there, fella. He says so himself in it.)
 
2013-03-20 09:06:09 AM
Delusions of grandeur are so common in these threads. No, it's not brilliant or heroic.It's a tiny little "ha ha" at best.
A kinda lame attempt to troll the master trollers. It won't really even bother them.
 
2013-03-20 09:08:42 AM

ciberido: Stone Meadow: ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.

That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced".

No, but there are people here, such as  BEER_ME_in_CT, who are CLAIMING that people are advocating WBC be "silenced".


Hey it was Voltaire who said that. It was one of his lesser known quotes. LOL
 
2013-03-20 09:35:24 AM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x257]


OH please, we make exceptions to "free speech" all the time, and not even for good reasons. It's illegal to be obscene? Who gets to decide that? A judge's impression of a "reasonable person." Thaaats right! legal speech is popular speech!
 
2013-03-20 09:53:09 AM

doglover: No, actually. Most people before the supreme court have lawyers.


Yes, actually. "Mama" Phelps is a lawyer. Acting like she's some homespun huckleberry who magically won a lawsuit through luck, pluck and virture doesn't change that.
 
2013-03-20 10:07:56 AM
Thanks to these WBC clowns, I can now only read "Baptist" as "Bastard"... It simply will not parse any other way in my brain...
 
2013-03-20 11:16:46 AM

RacySmurff: Let the construction begin on the tunnels, catapults, and trebuchets.


Fetchez la vache!
 
2013-03-20 11:18:23 AM

BEER_ME_in_CT: ciberido: Stone Meadow: ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.

That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced".

No, but there are people here, such as  BEER_ME_in_CT, who are CLAIMING that people are advocating WBC be "silenced".

Hey it was Voltaire who said that. It was one of his lesser known quotes. LOL


"The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity."  - Abraham Lincoln
 
2013-03-20 02:52:13 PM
jamiedubs.com
Leave the Westboro Baptist Church  Alone!
 
2013-03-20 05:37:14 PM
People in this thread talking about how giving them attention is the problem...while giving them attention in this thread...

/but THEY'RE not part of the problem...
 
2013-03-20 06:09:11 PM
From what I've read about the WBC, they think bad publicity is better than no publicity. Even if this pisses off Shirley and her clan, she knows that getting all butthurt over this is what people want to see, so she counter trolls with this "I AIN'T MAD, Y'ALL!" routine. They've been trolling for decades - the only thing that will defeat them is not giving them any attention at all.
 
2013-03-20 08:11:17 PM

SquiggsIN: ZeroPly:(ignored: moronic facist woman)


It's so wonderful when insane people post how stupid they are and make it easy to spot them.

By the way lady, meat tastes delicious, I'll go sacrifice a goat in your honor.


Dude, you totally got Phelps'd by ZP. His (her?) profile is some of the laziest and obvious trollbait i've seen in a long time.
 
2013-03-20 08:55:18 PM

BigHornBall: Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

It does!  Reminds me of 80's Atari games.


It was part of the libbygaysexual agenda back then to soften up your ideas of those colors, and lower your inhibitions to make you find those colors appealing, so when the queer flag bumper stickers came out, you wouldn't mind someone with that color of tie to mount you later in life.
 
2013-03-20 09:44:09 PM
Not sure if anybody has already said it, but that activist guy seems to be saying: Suck it, Westboro Baptist Church!!!

/being in-your-face the way WBC often is
 
2013-03-20 10:47:11 PM

Kittypie070: SILENCE

IMPLIES

CONSENT

so what are some of y'all doing by telling the rest of us hairy snoot pickers to hush up about the WBC Phelchery?


You really missed out on that whole rape thread with that line of thinking.
 
2013-03-21 06:13:40 AM

Bacontastesgood: Anyway, I think some of y'all are missing the point. Once painted, this place will be flipped to a flamboyantly gay military couple with JDs.


I could see that. I want to see that. Hell, if that became a reality TV show, I would watch the shiat out of it, and I detest reality TV.
 
2013-03-23 01:25:24 AM
Good to see someone in Topeka finally getting sick enough of Westboro's shiat to say "we're not all neanderthals in the big empty."
 
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