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2013-03-19 05:10:08 PM

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

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The Orange/Yellow/Green there. I dont know why, but it reminds me of the side walls of a 1970s bowling alley.
 
2013-03-19 05:11:03 PM

JerkStore: He should buy Goodyear stock because that Prius is going to need a lot of new tires over the next few months, and perhaps some windshields. He may as well give up his plan to have a lawn, because it won't be long before someone paints a message onto it with bleach or herbicide.


Video cameras, how do they work?

Sit in the house with the lights off, watch the monitors, call the cops.
 
2013-03-19 05:14:06 PM

Gosling: gingerjet: How 'bout we trying something really radical? Like ignoring the idiots. Just imagine how much we can change if we put all the energy we spend dealing with the WBC into mentoring, working with our legislators to pass better laws, or really doing anything else. But no. We got to make ourselves feel allcuddly by giving the attention whores more attention.

Quite clearly, there's always someone that's going to give them attention no matter how many times you tell people to ignore them, and you're just going to keep shouting this uselessly. Realistically, they're never going to stop getting attention.

So the second-best thing to do is hijack the attention they do get.



It's like a prisoner's dilemma of trolling.
 
2013-03-19 05:16:07 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Stone Meadow: Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?

Yes.

  or "that guy doesn't believe what I believe! He has an unpopular opinion and dares stand behind it! Lets mock him and call him names like a child would so nobody does it to us!"


I'm sorry, how is the guy who bought the house a bigot? Phunkey didn't say anything about disagreeing with anyone's opinion, he made a baseless accusation I called him on it. Do try to keep up.
 
2013-03-19 05:16:51 PM
I do not like this pride flag business on that house.  Are they painting over some kind of color injected vinyl siding?  Shouldn't they have laid down some primer first?
 
2013-03-19 05:17:26 PM
I woundn't be surprised if his friend Davis Hammet is from my family. Historically speaking, that part of my family seems to have a penchant for pissing off bigots.
 
2013-03-19 05:17:52 PM

ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?



I realize that you're a troll and routinely misrepresent facts in these threads, but out of curiosity, do you have any plans to back up that claim "our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech"?  Or are you just hoping for bites?

If the latter, congratulations, I guess.
 
2013-03-19 05:22:57 PM

freeforever: This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.


Yes, but fortunately, the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end only exist in your deranged fantasies, so sane people don't really need to be disturbed by them.
 
2013-03-19 05:25:07 PM
WBC can pontificate all they want, but they still can't legally enter Canada.
 
2013-03-19 05:27:26 PM

Harry Freakstorm: An artist can plop down 80k for a house. Once again, I got on the wrong career train.


I had never heard of him until this article, and I haven't researched him at all - but I'm guessing he has some big backer's cash at his disposal if he's doing all of the things for which he's receiving credit.

Hey guys.  What have you done today?
Me?  I dewormed Guatemala.
 
2013-03-19 05:30:58 PM

karmaceutical: I do not like this pride flag business on that house.  Are they painting over some kind of color injected vinyl siding?  Shouldn't they have laid down some primer first?


Given the tone of greyish-white otherwise, I think they did just that.
 
2013-03-19 05:31:39 PM

JerkStore: Great idea, but I don't think he's thought his cunning plan all the way through. The first thing the dicks at WBC are going to do is call the city building inspector and at that point they'll be repainting the house a more appropriate color. Then there are the targets this guy and his buddy just painted on themselves in an intensely anti-gay community. He should buy Goodyear stock because that Prius is going to need a lot of new tires over the next few months, and perhaps some windshields. He may as well give up his plan to have a lawn, because it won't be long before someone paints a message onto it with bleach or herbicide. I give him about 8-10 months before the hostility breaks him and he flees, abandoning his $81,000 house and putting himself into debt that will follow him for years, maybe decades.

Great idea and I hope I'm wrong, but bigots are always willing to cross lines that normal folks aren't.


Someone else in the thread already suggested security cameras.  Another Farker figured he could get the ACLU involved if the WBC tries to sue him.  You may be right in that he's going to be targeted for hate, but that happens any time you take a stand on issues like this.  He does have tools at his disposal and people willing to help him for free.
 
2013-03-19 05:33:37 PM
Fighting hate with hate. Brilliant indeed.
 
2013-03-19 05:34:12 PM

Kome: F*ck you for the false equivalence. Calling a bunch of assholes out for being racist, homophobic, sexist, or hateful in any other way and saying we are not a people that will stand for it is manifestly NOT intolerant or hateful in return. It's goddamn human decency to stand up to bullies, arsonists, kidnappers, murderers, and domestic terrorists who devote their lives to ruining those of other US citizens - whether it is WBC and gays or the pro-life groups and medical professionals who provide abortions to women or racist conservatives and Hispanics - is the exact f*cking opposite of intolerance and hate.



An analogy I've used before is "Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry in the same way capital punishment for murder is not murder."

Not that I'm a huge fan of capital punishment, but anything to help clear up a little false equivalence.
 
2013-03-19 05:35:19 PM

Chach: Fighting hate with hate. Brilliant indeed.


Explain, please, how buying a house across a road from a church, and painting it with rainbows is "hate"?
 
2013-03-19 05:35:51 PM
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OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!
 
2013-03-19 05:36:57 PM
They could have used some of that money to de-worm the members of the Westboro Baptist Church.  In fact, they could also have the church members chipped, flea dipped and spayed or neutered.
 
2013-03-19 05:37:22 PM

Ed Grubermann: phunkey_monkey: Bigots protesting bigots.

Troll or idiot?


Idiot.  Specifically, phunkey_monkey is a staunch homophobe   He's vomited into several other Fark threads before.  As far as I can tell his hatred and bigotry are absolutely sincere.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:10 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: "I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it... Except for the Westboro Baptist Church, they need to STFU."

~Voltaire


For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.
 
2013-03-19 05:40:26 PM
Ablejack:
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OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!

Awesome! If I didn't know it was real I'd say it was 'shopped. And the falling snowflakes are the crowning touch... ;^)
 
2013-03-19 05:40:30 PM

Ablejack: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 633x375]
OK, we're done here. Now let's go de-worm those kids!


So pretty!
 
2013-03-19 05:43:17 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.

       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.

The prosecution rests.

    Yup, you sure got me there with that cutting wit. Feel free to bask in your smugly superior cloud of denial.


The really funny part is you're too dumb to realize you got OMGWTowned.  But that's fine, your denial is my schadenfreude.
 
2013-03-19 05:45:57 PM

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.


There should be a Godwin's Law for South Park references in a political discussion. Seriously, most of the most smug, insufferable, know-it-all jackasses I talk to include a SP reference in every one of their posts on anything remotely political and think it's the height of wit and relevance.


/at least it's something other than "giant douche/turd sandwich" this time.
 
2013-03-19 05:52:59 PM
They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.
 
2013-03-19 05:57:46 PM

ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.


That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced". What  IS common here is admiration for the guy's puck and initiative. That said, I am not in the camp that calls for ignoring them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for provoking them in ways that feed their litigiousness and sense of martyrdom, but I DO think they need to be called out for their hatred and bigotry.

Here's the key: bullies ALWAYS feel empowered when there is no pushback. It is only be resistance that they can be overcome. WBC have gotten away with their antics in large part because people were afraid to call them on their BS in loud and public ways. The rainbow house is a perfect step in combatting their hate.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:43 PM
I like the cut of this man's jib.  I'd like to buy him a drink.  Or groceries.  Or verily even contribute to the Guatemalan kid de-worming thing.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:52 PM
They should've turned it into an abortion clinic.  That would probably have been more effective.

/or maybe the headquarters for a gay dating website.
 
2013-03-19 06:29:32 PM
Doing a quick search of Topeka's city code, I didn't see anything in there that would prevent them from painting their home any color they like. I did find that the church's banner is likely a violation of Section 18.25.230 (Temporary Signs), though. They also have a section devoted to "Intimidation or Bias Crimes" which means that retaliation by the church should be prosecuted (section 9.20.040).

/ the internet has the answers
 
2013-03-19 06:32:11 PM
Don't be so quick to celebrate. The homophobic domestic terrorists of the WBC will dig up some ordinance, codicil, or rule giving standing to sue and argue it all the way to SCOTUS, as usual. They'll keep it tied up in court for perpetuity because that's what they do.

Unless of course a confidential informant tells the ATF they have illegal guns. Then you can just burn 'em out.
 
2013-03-19 06:37:17 PM
Langdon_777:clap clap clap

I suspect he deserves a medal (or 4).

The true changers of social attitudes do not stand up for applause but are generally ridiculed in their time (would be sweet if he was a member of the 5th column.)

Maybe I shouldn't've said anything. If this is really what he's up to, the last thing we'd want to do is to spill the beans.
 
2013-03-19 06:43:20 PM
Farce-Side:I'm sure for the right price we can find a way to make all of these people go away for good...even people without the morals to stop themselves from, say, wiping an entire congregation from the face of the earth, don't like the hateful things these a-holes do.

Maybe we grab some inmates from Gitmo, show them the Phelps compound and tell them that George Bush lives there, and then give them vests, C4, and cheap cellphones.  And whatever happens, happens.
 
2013-03-19 06:47:01 PM
Step 1: Say horrible things in public.
Step 2: Be attacked by someone who can't control their temper.
Step 3: Sue their pants off. Settle out of court.
Step 4: Paint more horrible signs. Repeat.

/Step 2 can be replaced with "Have your right to peaceful assembly and free speech infringed upon by public officials."
//Honestly, they won't be shouted down. Every "tactic" against them just makes them more notorious and therefore more capable of pissing people off.
 
2013-03-19 06:52:29 PM
Totally awesome. To the max. Fer shure.

/kudos
 
2013-03-19 07:00:46 PM
I don't understand.  If the Westboro Baptist Church can sue others for public nuisance, etc.  Why has nobody sued them for doing the same?
 
2013-03-19 07:11:14 PM

technofiend: They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.


Great.  A gay bar.  Next thing you know, somebody will start a nuclear war over this issue.
 
2013-03-19 07:12:57 PM

Stone Meadow: ciberido: For the record, I don't want the WBC silenced.  For one, I do want unpopular, even hateful, speech protected.  For another,  I prefer it when bigots don't try to hide their bigotry.

That's reasonable. However, I don't think anyone here is advocating WBC be "silenced".


No, but there are people here, such as  BEER_ME_in_CT, who are CLAIMING that people are advocating WBC be "silenced".
 
2013-03-19 07:15:02 PM

toilet_lolly: I don't understand.  If the Westboro Baptist Church can sue others for public nuisance, etc.  Why has nobody sued them for doing the same?


They assemble in public places where their free speech is guaranteed. They have the right to assemble. When law enforcement tries to shut them down, they threaten lawsuits. When people get all pissed off an assault them (throw things at them, touch them, etc.) they threaten lawsuits. Towns and people settle out of court, WBC collects a paycheck and then goes on with the pissing people off enough to get a reaction.
 
2013-03-19 07:17:04 PM
Let the construction begin on the tunnels, catapults, and trebuchets.
 
2013-03-19 07:32:37 PM

wxboy: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

What are they going to sue over?


Having a flag pole over 20' tall- seriously.  Zoning laws?  Running a civic center is not the same as running a church.  Neighborhood beautification rules.  I've lived in a few places where people have been forced to alter or limit their paint schemes and yard art collection (not a violation of your 1st ammendment rights) according to neighborhood tastes so they could be restricted to a two or three color paint scheme.

Eventually, depending on the type of loan paying for the home, they will be forced to occupy the home (usually within 31 days of taking possession), or declare it unoccupied and be forced to pay high premiums for unoccupied insurance.  Best part is, the owner- or immediate family-- must occupy it otherwise it need be declared rental (see the zoning laws for that district) or a second or vacation home (gotta prove this is one somehow).  All in all, a varitable minefield of legal issues just to make a point.

I'm not saying it's not awesome what they are doing to the WBC- and God knows,they deserve it-- however, from a legal stand point, they may find themselves in over their heads once the Phelps' gang take on the ACLU as their representatives in this case: and you KNOW they eventually will.
 
2013-03-19 07:35:41 PM

GAT_00: what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.

They usually do.  Rainbow painting a house isn't going to show anyone anything.


If they were true bigots, who believed what they preached, they might drive them crazy enough to overact. But they are only lawsuit trolls, so they will have no effect.
 
2013-03-19 07:41:24 PM
In other news, nation's popcorn vendors now converging on Topeka, Kansas...
 
2013-03-19 07:46:41 PM

Electromax: Well I for one approve of this. Don't listen to all the Farkers crying "why bother" dude, it's easy to sit around and do nothing. That's done so well to stifle the WBC thus far, with every media outlet still publishing every protest they give.

Good on ya for the positive works described elsewhere in TFA too, sounds like he's doing good things around the world. No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Hope he hosts lots of pride events at the house too, just to make the neighborhood uncomfortable.


You're Not Helping!  I would think one would want to something that would induce trust and understanding other than make people uncomfortable to get your point across... or is that the joke?
 
2013-03-19 07:55:33 PM

what_now: So, this is a thread about the Westboro Baptist Church. And an article about the Westboro Baptist Church. And a guy who spent $80k on the Westboro Baptist Church instead of his original plan- vaccines to Guatemalan babies.

The WBC wins this round.


If  gays are allowed to marry, the next thing you know they'll be stealing vaccines from Guatemalan babies!
 
2013-03-19 07:59:38 PM
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Yeah I'm sure that will fix their wagon.
 
2013-03-19 08:00:54 PM
freeforever: militant pro gay H8rs? You mean people who believe that everyone should be equal before the law?

THINK
 
2013-03-19 08:05:20 PM
It would be awesome if the neighbors joined in in solidarity. Effectively making Westboro synonymous with gay activism.
 
2013-03-19 08:19:46 PM
For those of you that think this won't rile up Fred Phelps, you don't understand the amount of unholy rage that fills every fiber of his being.  He demands absolute control of his environment.  He'll have one of his kids that still have a law license sue under every zoning regulation in the book.  Can't help but think the guys doing this have no idea what they're getting themselves into.

This has been posted on Fark before from time to time, but it really does need to be read by as many people as possible to really understand what's going on in the WBC.  Unfortunately, it's a long story, so most of you will probably ignore it:

"Addicted to Hate: The Fred Phelps Story"
 
2013-03-19 08:29:56 PM

freeforever: Karac: kiwimoogle84: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

They can't sue over what another person does with their privately owned property.

Considering that Mama Phelps herself argued and WON before the Supreme Court I'd be careful  saying what the Westboro Baptist Church can or can't do legally.  Seriously, she won her case before the Supreme Court.  Not many people can say they've done that.


Meh, she won because it was pretty cut&dried: Do they have a right to protest under the 1st Amendment? Answer: Yes. Can a city create an ordinance that forbids them from protesting? Answer: No. A newly-minted attorney fresh out of law school could win that one. The only thing controversial in that whole issue was the challenge, not the WBC.

And as for ignoring them...this idea that ignoring a bully makes him go away is antiquated. Maybe it used to work when we were in grade school in the 60's (I doubt it), but for 21st century bullies with access to social media and 24-hour news channels, not so much. The WBC has gone out of its way to insert THEMSELVES into public discourse. They don't just go to public events after all, where it might be possible to pretend they aren't there--they are still out there disrupting people's private lives and most personal, painful moments with their horrible diatribes. I think it is too much to ask a family whose funeral is being picketed by a gaggle of fools with GOD IS GLAD YOUR LOVED ONE IS BURNING IN HELL signs to "just ignore them".

No, nowadays the only way to address people who are this awful and tasteless is to meet them on their own ground, and show them and any potential followers what horrible, evil people they truly are. Make anyone who might be tempted to agree with them ask themselves "Is this the kind of person you want to be like? Someone who violates another person's moment of grief?" In boxing, there is the theory of keeping your opponent constantly on the defensive and always backing up, and that's what's called for here. Don't let them reset their stance and regroup.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:22 PM

ciberido: technofiend: They're not really done until there's a Planned Parenthood on one side of the house and maybe an ACLU branch on the other.  Unless of course zoning laws will allow a gay bar.  Would love to see WBC lose their "church" status as part of the liquor license fight.

Great.  A gay bar.  Next thing you know, somebody will start a nuclear war over this issue.


At the gay bar?

[click]

Yeah!

/This is why I love you, you know.  Electric Six are in the top 10 best bands from Detroit.
 
2013-03-19 08:57:45 PM
Hateful abominations fighting with hateful abominations. So very mature.
 
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