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(Talking Points Memo)   Activist comes up with media fu tactic against Westboro Baptist Church that is, literally, brilliant   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 282
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2013-03-19 02:41:53 PM  
An artist can plop down 80k for a house. Once again, I got on the wrong career train.
 
2013-03-19 02:42:33 PM  
From TFA:

Turns out there are two bedrooms, one bathroom, a carpeting dining area, two garages (the house sits at a corner), a fireplace, hardwood floors, a small porch, and a decent-sized yard that overlooks the headquarters of an active hate group. "The view is what I bought the home for," Jackson said.

Once in a very great while, I love American journalism.
 
2013-03-19 02:42:40 PM  
+1 to subby for appropriate use of "literally"
 
2013-03-19 02:43:43 PM  
By the way, are there any old-school Astros fans here?
 
2013-03-19 02:44:45 PM  

freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".




What college dropouts might look like.
blurppy.files.wordpress.com

www.buzzreactor.com

So what have you done with your degree(s)?
 
2013-03-19 02:45:43 PM  
This added attention will surely doom them!

/I doubt they even know what the rainbow stands for or even care..
 
2013-03-19 02:46:24 PM  
Those kids from Guatemala really need to lay down the really old egg salad sandwiches from truck stop vending machines.
 
2013-03-19 02:48:04 PM  
If the the "Westies" complain about it, just tell them it's the headquarters of The American Prism Manufacturers Association.
 
d3
2013-03-19 02:50:14 PM  
Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.
 
2013-03-19 02:50:44 PM  

mrshowrules: pisceandreamer: Love it, but I have no doubts that the WBC will sue him into oblivion. :(

Sue, based on what?  You can just ignore all the legal paper until you get to your court summons and just show up and the judge would throw it out instantly.  If not, ACLU would show up and provide you free defense anyways.  You couldn't lose and it wouldn't cost you a penny.


There may be zoning laws against painting the house that way.  Wasn't someone in trouble for painting spots on their house in another state?  People always get tripped up by the small steps and Westboro seems to thrive on that.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:13 PM  

Ishkur: No, no it isn't. This does nothing, The family now has TWO houses to draw attention from instead of one.

This is not working. Nothing works.


LEAVE.

THEM.

ALONE.


The problem with the WBC, and almost every anti-gay group out there, is that this  isn't a concrete problem--this is a problem of society. There are a  lot of people who just hate gays, women, and anyone who isn't a white rich male.

Telling WBC, or any other hate group, where to shove it--especially by making such an in-your-face point--is a solution. The WBC aren't just attention whores, they represent a lot of American hate, and that hate should be fought. This is a good way to do it. Ignoring the WBC wouldn't change a thing for anyone but the WBC; actions like this tell hateful people that society doesn't agree with them, and  that changes  society.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:48 PM  
The city wil probably put a stop to this. Some zoning issue or something.

Then again, they don't have problem with the GOD HATES... banners on the haters' home, so maybe not.

I've actually come to realize that the Westboro lunatics have actually been positive for the advancement of equal rights for gays in the past decade as they've so obviously revealed how repellent gay bigotry is. No thinking decent person want to be associated with those cretins.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:21 PM  

d3: Anyone who doesn't think God has a sense of humor doesn't pay enough attention to the numbers of staunch conservatives who have gay offspring.




Well, it was their choice to raise them gay.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:43 PM  
I'm changing my mind on Phelps. He doesn't preach violence. He doesn't press for laws against gays. He's just pushing his version of the Bible. Is he a mean, bitter jerk? Yes. Has any single person done more do advance the acceptance of gays? I can't think of one.
I don't think his animosity is grounded in gays, anyway. He hates the average American. He's trolling us on the First Amendment and Christianity, forcing us to take a side on an issue (homosexuality) the majority of us would prefer to ignore, and exploiting some of our hypocrisy toward free speech and the Bible.
He's fascinating and relevant - something most performance artists aren't.
 
2013-03-19 02:54:03 PM  
Oh. When I read the headline's "literally brilliant," I thought the plan was to follow those evil farks around with a couple dozen 40 million candlewatt lights wherever they protest.
 
2013-03-19 02:54:55 PM  
Now all they need is a "God hates straights" campaign.
 
2013-03-19 02:55:42 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?


For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!
 
2013-03-19 02:59:54 PM  

gingerjet: How 'bout we trying something really radical? Like ignoring the idiots. Just imagine how much we can change if we put all the energy we spend dealing with the WBC into mentoring, working with our legislators to pass better laws, or really doing anything else. But no. We got to make ourselves feel allcuddly by giving the attention whores more attention.


Quite clearly, there's always someone that's going to give them attention no matter how many times you tell people to ignore them, and you're just going to keep shouting this uselessly. Realistically, they're never going to stop getting attention.

So the second-best thing to do is hijack the attention they do get.
 
2013-03-19 03:00:20 PM  

WTF Indeed: what_now: how will this effect them? The only good this did was let that poor dude sell his house.

"We'll show them! We'll buy the house across the street from the WBC and paint a rainbow on the house! That'll really stick in their craw!"


Yeah, all-in-all pretty lame.  "Brilliant" would be something that actually causes them pain or discomfort, or in some way thwarts or complicates their "mission".  This is right up there with wearing a pink ribbon to "raise awareness" of breast cancer...does nothing but make the person wearing it fell better.
 
2013-03-19 03:00:41 PM  

Sudlow: If the street is zoned for residential use, the church can probably seek some sort of redress for a zoning violating in having a social services agency in the house and that the paint on the house reduces the value of their property. One things the Phelps family enjoys is litigation. This is just handing them a huge opportunity to get more attention.


First Amendment rights on a privately owned house are HUGE. You add to that the fact that this particular display was intended to promote a political viewpoint, and the owner is bullet proof. City of Ladue v. Gilleo was a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

Also, please list the frivolous litigation that the Phelps clan has engaged in. Are you talking about where Indiana made it a felony to peacefully protest on public property within 500m of a funeral? Because again, the Supreme Court took Westboro's side in Synder v. Phelps.

So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?
 
2013-03-19 03:03:50 PM  
Just looked at the google maps myself.  Is it just me, or is that a Canadian flag flying over an up-side-down US one in the WBC compound?
 
2013-03-19 03:04:13 PM  
Faaabulous!
 
2013-03-19 03:06:01 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.


Don't bet on it. After all, this is Topuka we're talking about. One of the most smugly self-satisfied enclaves of religious righteousness in the country. In fact, it would not surprise me if the city fathers don't find some code violation (running a business, even a non-profit, from a house zoned 'residential only'?) with which to force the guy out.

They may not like Phelps, but they sure as HELL don't like outsiders mocking their fair city.

/spent 3 years going there 4 times a year for a week at a time to finish a project
 
2013-03-19 03:06:57 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: chopit: Ohlookabutterfly: Two foaming at the mouth hate groups

I only see one hate group.  Oh, and a moron.

       If you aren't going to put any effort into your insults don't even bother, you lazy c#nt.


The prosecution rests.
 
2013-03-19 03:09:27 PM  
Good for him.

But dollars to donughts says he's gone in a year.
 
2013-03-19 03:12:30 PM  

Jackpot777: theguyyousaw: Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes



...he hates meatballs in a West Country sauce too.


I could see cigarettes but, man..., how could god hate pork meatballs?
 
2013-03-19 03:13:49 PM  
Just so you know, we're having a freak snow-storm in Topeka today.  So I don't know how much painting is getting done.

But I approve.  I'll be sure to drive by and see the place.
 
2013-03-19 03:16:01 PM  

ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?



This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

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2013-03-19 03:16:29 PM  
Part of me loves this.  Part of me knows this will not end well.
 
2013-03-19 03:20:10 PM  
"The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  Or words to that effect.

On the one hand, if ignoring these gaping a$$holes was effective I'd be all for it.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.  On the other hand--pass me that paintbrush, would you?  Thanks.
 
2013-03-19 03:22:36 PM  

Phadeguy: Now it just needs a pop-tart cat to the side...
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THIS!
 
2013-03-19 03:23:14 PM  
*points at the WBC*  Haw haw!
 
2013-03-19 03:25:38 PM  
Wasn't Fred Phelps was pointed out as possibly being gay?  If so then perhaps he thinks the paint job across the street is FABULOUS!   :-D
 
2013-03-19 03:26:56 PM  
All WBC will do is get someone to add a zoning law detailing acceptable colors or tones in the homes in that area.

They have lots of money and, I'm sure, lots of political clout there.

Alternatively, there are so many other ways to get the house changed that it's simply a bump in the road for these life-hating...people.

Disappointing but I guess for those who live in only this time period, it's a happy thing for now.
 
2013-03-19 03:28:19 PM  

freeforever: ZeroPly: So to summarize, you've got an organization that is conducting a textbook example of free speech - peaceful expression of an unpopular viewpoint on public property. Because their viewpoint is unpopular, our legislative and executive branch have tripped over each other to stop that speech. And because the organization goes to court to try to preserve their free speech rights, they "enjoy" litigation?


This.  And as bad as their "hate speech" is I'm always more disturbed by the militant pro-gay/ farkH8 side that demands adherence to their views and would gladly overlook the First and Eight Amendments if it meant achieving "equality" in the end.

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So.... when the anti-gay rights people stage their protests, they are just innocently expressing their opinion, whereas the pro gay rights side buys a house and paints a rainbow on it, they are jack-booted thugs who are out to destroy the Constitution.

This made sense to you at the time you wrote it, huh?  OK.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:05 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: "The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  Or words to that effect.

On the one hand, if ignoring these gaping a$$holes was effective I'd be all for it.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.  On the other hand--pass me that paintbrush, would you?  Thanks.


What Zul said.
 
2013-03-19 03:30:24 PM  

Maul555: You know... that house looks kind of cool like that, half finished in just those colors...

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


it looks like a saturday morning cartoons logo ;T
 
2013-03-19 03:30:39 PM  
Now he needs to paint "gay sex is awesome" across the longest side.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:35 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Good thing there's no HOA; they'd probably side with Phelps.


Scanning the comments for HOA,

If the Phelps family owns the majority of the property in the neighborhood, and it sounds like they do, and there is not already a HOA...

What's stopping the Phelps klan from forming one, then issuing fines against the garishly decorated house bringing down property values? And is that area even zoned to allow a commercial operation like a LGBT outreach center? They could go after them for that as well
 
2013-03-19 03:32:10 PM  

freeforever: StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?

For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!




Thanks for reminding me that ivy-league drop-outs are not the same as community-college dropouts. I was trying to be amusing.

Though, statistically speaking, many successful entrepreneurs are dropouts.
 
2013-03-19 03:32:57 PM  
I didn't realize the Phelps compound was so close to the road. Well within molotov cocktail range.
 
2013-03-19 03:33:09 PM  

freeforever: StoPPeRmobile: freeforever: Electromax: No wonder Fark piles on the guy, he's just a dumb tryhard loser who isn't cynical enough to get on Fark and post about why things other people do are a waste of time.

Well, according to the article he is a "31-year-old community-college dropout".

What college dropouts might look like.

[pic of Steve Jobs]

So what have you done with your degree(s)?

For starters, I haven't died of cancer.  Next question?

But seriously, it was a joke.  There's something funny about the phrase: "Community-college dropout" and I was playing off the poster who facetiously called the guy a "dumb tryhard."  But thanks for enlightening me with pics of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to prove that you can be a community-college dropout and still be sucessful!




You're right, it is a funny phrase.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:11 PM  

Jackpot777: theguyyousaw: Clearly they mean;


"Cigarette marriage dooms nations."

God hates cigarettes

[images.mysupermarket.co.uk image 850x507]

...he hates meatballs in a West Country sauce too.


The uvula photoshop contest was yesterday... missed it by *that* much
 
2013-03-19 03:38:01 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Nice!  Maybe the idea will spread throughout the neighborhood.


That would drive up property values, allowing the WBC to sell for a huge tax free windfall and relocate somewhere else.

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2013-03-19 03:38:17 PM  
Bigots protesting bigots.
 
2013-03-19 03:40:30 PM  
with homes topping out at a whopping roughly 100k, I dont think you would notice them declining anyway.
 
2013-03-19 03:40:32 PM  

PsiChick: Telling WBC, or any other hate group, where to shove it--especially by making such an in-your-face point--is a solution. The WBC aren't just attention whores, they represent a lot of American hate, and that hate should be fought. This is a good way to do it. Ignoring the WBC wouldn't change a thing for anyone but the WBC; actions like this tell hateful people that society doesn't agree with them, and that changes society.


This is only true if society doesn't accept gays en masse, and other than bigots and closeted Republicans, this simply isn't the case anymore, and going out of your way to counter-protest the WBC is preaching to the choir. Everyone already knows the family is nuts. They're not called The Most Hated Family in America for nothing. So adding more vitriol is piling on/kicking a dead horse. It doesn't change the existing narrative, doesn't introduce any new ones, and the family wants you to do it.

There is nothing that can be done by any documentary filmmaker or news broadcast team or merry pranksters to improve society's understanding or relations with this Church nor is there anything anyone can say to discredit, denounce or sway them. Giving them more attention is like wrestling with a pig - you feel dirty afterward and the pig likes it.

The only solution, then, is to ignore them, but the media won't do that because the media can't help it - it is biased toward sensationalism and emotionally-charged rhetoric. Whenever there's a tragedy, the media is the first car to slow down and gawk at it. That's neither a good or bad thing, it's just what the media does.
 
2013-03-19 03:41:01 PM  

Arkanaut: +1 to subby for appropriate use of "literally"


Thanks.  Idiots who use it when they mean figuratively make me all pitchforky.

My own prediction:  Some local neanderthals get a couple of 12 packs of Natty Light under their belt and decide to go over there and deface the place.  The Guatemalan worm destroyer has the foresight to have some of those teensy little lipstick cameras installed under the eaves.  Prosecutorial hilarity ensues.
 
2013-03-19 03:42:03 PM  
 
2013-03-19 03:44:09 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: What's stopping the Phelps klan from forming one, then issuing fines against the garishly decorated house bringing down property values?


HOAs are deed-restricted covenants. The most the Phelps clan could do at this point would be to ask if the activist would like to join their HOA, and then file a modification to the deed in court.

If you really don't want to be part of an HOA, it's possible to go to court and have your deed modified. But most HOAs will fight that with every legal recourse at their disposal.
 
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