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(CBS Detroit)   The new Emergency Financial Manager for Detroit owes $16,000 in back taxes and has two liens on his house, which is pretty good for Detroit   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 55
    More: Ironic, financial adviser, Detroit, EFM, emergency financial manager, back taxes, WWJ, Governor Rick Snyder  
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2013-03-19 12:32:24 PM  
Detroit Liens?
 
2013-03-19 12:59:53 PM  
A lien on a house in Detroit? I'm as much for futile, symbolic gestures as the next guy, but that's taking things a bit far.
 
2013-03-19 01:04:45 PM  
In the land of the blind...
 
2013-03-19 01:24:25 PM  
Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?
 
2013-03-19 01:26:10 PM  

DrRatchet: A lien on a house in Detroit? I'm as much for futile, symbolic gestures as the next guy, but that's taking things a bit far.


The house in question is in Maryland.  It's even mentioned in the first line of the article.
 
2013-03-19 01:58:00 PM  
i'm pretty sure he was hired by the republican governor because he's blah.
 
2013-03-19 02:00:34 PM  

Walker: Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?


I think we need to let Canada just annex Detroit using the power of Eminem Domain.
 
2013-03-19 02:10:32 PM  

Walker: Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?


The same happens in Philadelphia, too.  Of course, Philly and Detroit are two of the worst in the nation when it comes to tax collection, so it's to be expected.
 
2013-03-19 02:15:09 PM  

wxboy: DrRatchet: A lien on a house in Detroit? I'm as much for futile, symbolic gestures as the next guy, but that's taking things a bit far.

The house in question is in Maryland.  It's even mentioned in the first line of the article.


There was an article?
 
2013-03-19 02:16:33 PM  
Enough already. Why fight it any longer than we need to?

iancul.com
 
2013-03-19 02:20:53 PM  
Portsmouth, VA had some skullduggery involving a sweetheart deal for a resigned fire chief and his subsequent "leave" and appointment as Emergency Services something-or-other. Both he and the city manager lost their jobs over it.

Who do these farkholes think they are?
 
2013-03-19 02:21:43 PM  
and people wonder why this country is in debt.
 
2013-03-19 02:22:21 PM  
Walker: "Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?"

To be fair: this clown was handed to them by the Governor.
Seems no-one in Lansing thought through that part of the EM law:
When you take over Benton Harbor, Flint, Pontiac and Detroit, you can no longer feign outrage at further fark-ups.
And you already used "how bad it was" and "we can do better" as your justification for taking over.
So you're pretty much out of wiggle-room to disown mis-steps, the lack of results, or to biatch about the media not being 'fair'.

Enjoy!
 
2013-03-19 02:23:35 PM  
$16,000 in back taxes? Which Cabinet member is it?
 
2013-03-19 02:26:36 PM  
Man.  Detroit is effed up.  I read the comments at the bottom and my mind was blown.
 
2013-03-19 02:28:41 PM  
Wow, a lawyer and a politician plus he feels superior to the tax laws.

What a truly unique combination.
 
2013-03-19 02:28:58 PM  
On the upside, this is clearly a man who knows how the tricks work.
 
2013-03-19 02:41:07 PM  
Great Migration

The cities under emergency management, Detroit, Flint, Pontiac, Allen Park, Benton Harbor and Ecorse, account for 49.5 percent of the state's black population, according to U.S. Census data. They contain only 2.1 percent of the white population.


the liberal media source of that.

/my white friends who live in Detroit feel all special now
//especially since Snyder just reinstated the emergency manager law that was vetoed by the effing voters in the last election
///Detroit needs help, for sure. This is a piss poor way to go about it.
////can't do a simple credit check on someone you're hiring for EMERGENCY FINANCIAL MANAGER? Really? You couldn't figure out the media would get to that? Puts a lot of f--king trust in the hiring process.
 
2013-03-19 02:43:56 PM  

bdub77: Walker: Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?

I think we need to let Canada just annex Detroit using the power of Eminem Domain.


Well played old chap.
 
2013-03-19 02:45:46 PM  
FTA:Orr has apparently not paid $16,000 in unemployment taxes

How long do you have to be on unemployment to accrue that much in tax liability? Unemployment benefits in NC maxed out at $535/wk until recently and they withhold 10% for the taxes on that.  That's 30 weeks just to get $16k in benefits. If the numbers hold, and they probably don't, 30x9 = 270 weeks.

To say nothing of his employability, this guy shouldn't be allowed to touch ANYONE'S finances in the first place. Let alone have control of an entire city's.  I claim this guy was installed because he's highly corrupt and easy to manipulate.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:43 PM  

Pangea: FTA:Orr has apparently not paid $16,000 in unemployment taxes

How long do you have to be on unemployment to accrue that much in tax liability? Unemployment benefits in NC maxed out at $535/wk until recently and they withhold 10% for the taxes on that.  That's 30 weeks just to get $16k in benefits. If the numbers hold, and they probably don't, 30x9 = 270 weeks.

To say nothing of his employability, this guy shouldn't be allowed to touch ANYONE'S finances in the first place. Let alone have control of an entire city's.  I claim this guy was installed because he's highly corrupt and easy to manipulate.


Umm, I think they are referring to the taxes payed to unemployment while working.
 
2013-03-19 02:54:53 PM  
Look. The EM idea has worked in a few small communities. It helped that they had competent managers involved.

I think that, given the overall quality of manager that has been used under this governor we can assume that they don't want these cities to be in any better shape. It makes sense, the last thing Republicans in Michigan want is a lot of organized blah communities.

/Also, aren't Repubs the ones who said, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" was a scary phrase?
 
2013-03-19 03:00:28 PM  

bdub77: Walker: Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?

I think we need to let Canada just annex Detroit using the power of Eminem Domain.


Let's not go mad here. Southern Ontario would end up having Detroit grafted on to the Windsor end and we have enough problems without a bunch of people living in Mad Max times. Also, we have surely suffered enough musical abuse from having Justin Beiber smelling up the place, for the love of Grud don't stick us with Eminem as well.

On a personal note, it cheers me no end to see that a well paid professional can be just as bad at keeping up with his taxes as I am. How odd it is that as a society we are taught to revere well off professionals as like unto living gods when they are just as stupid and venal as the rest of us.
 
2013-03-19 03:02:30 PM  

bdub77: Walker: Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?

I think we need to let Canada just annex Detroit using the power of Eminem Domain.


If you made that up yourself, you just won the internets.
 
2013-03-19 03:05:32 PM  
That's some fine financial appointing there, Lou.
 
2013-03-19 03:09:15 PM  

Gondus: Umm, I think they are referring to the taxes payed to unemployment while working.



Maybe so. Unemployment tax in NC is 1.2%. It takes $1.3million to get to $16,000 at that rate.

Still seems really sketchy to me, even in this entirely opposite scenario from my first claim.

Surprised they couldn't garnish that money, especially when I saw my payroll checks obliterated when I was behind due to some unreported numbers once.
 
2013-03-19 03:11:35 PM  
Gondius:
Umm, I think they are referring to the taxes payed to unemployment while working.

More to the point, it's probably the unemployment taxes he's supposed to pay as an employer. It's probably one year's unemployment tax check that the accountant forgot to send in.
 
2013-03-19 03:14:52 PM  

hammettman: That's some fine financial appointing there, Lou.


imageshack.us
Who?
 
2013-03-19 03:16:31 PM  

Farce-Side: Man.  Detroit is effed up.  I read the comments at the bottom and my mind was blown.


Those were... unexpected. Not so much stupid as confusing as hell.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ///Detroit needs help, for sure. This is a piss poor way to go about it.


What was farking fascinating was when NPR interviewed Pontiac's EFM (he also was one for Ecorse and Hamtramck). Now I have NO idea if he was any good in either of those places, or in Pontiac, but his interview made him out to be pretty damn savvy and optimistic without being naive.

So... Man. The whole EFM thing gives me the willies (especially the y'know, not will of the people part) but I do wonder sometimes... What else could we actually agree to do?
 
2013-03-19 03:28:33 PM  
StreetlightinTheGhetto: "////can't do a simple credit check on someone you're hiring for EMERGENCY FINANCIAL MANAGER? Really?"

Why should they even care?
It's not like anyone has any *say* in the matter.
 
2013-03-19 03:37:57 PM  

wxboy: DrRatchet: A lien on a house in Detroit? I'm as much for futile, symbolic gestures as the next guy, but that's taking things a bit far.

The house in question is in Maryland.  It's even mentioned in the first line of the article.


Detroit's out of money, so the Governor appoints someone to run it who has a 500 mile commute.  I only hope they're not paying him mileage.
 
2013-03-19 03:40:15 PM  

Pangea: Gondus: Umm, I think they are referring to the taxes payed to unemployment while working.


Maybe so. Unemployment tax in NC is 1.2%. It takes $1.3million to get to $16,000 at that rate.

Still seems really sketchy to me, even in this entirely opposite scenario from my first claim.

Surprised they couldn't garnish that money, especially when I saw my payroll checks obliterated when I was behind due to some unreported numbers once.


You think it's difficult to have $1.3 million in payroll? Unless I'm mistaken employers pay unemployment tax on their payroll.
 
2013-03-19 03:41:00 PM  

SlothB77: and people wonder why this country is in debt.


This country's always been in debt. That's how it works.
 
2013-03-19 04:02:22 PM  
Tim Geithner unavailable for comment.
 
2013-03-19 04:04:29 PM  

jigger: You think it's difficult to have $1.3 million in payroll? Unless I'm mistaken employers pay unemployment tax on their payroll.


$1.3 million is not a lot in payroll for a law firm, but that's not what this is.  The details of the liens are in the links :

"...the state went after unpaid unemployment insurance on child care for his two children. "

I really don't care about Detroit in the first place, I'm just saying this doesn't happen to a non-sleazy person. People don't file liens until attempts to get payment go ignored. To say "I had no idea" is clearly a lie.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130318/NEWS01/130318087/Kevyn-Orr-pay s- on-2-liens-Snyder-calls-it-an-oversight
http://www.progressmichigan.org/2013/03/kevyn-orr-detroit-emergency- ma nager-unpaid-tax-liens/
 
2013-03-19 04:11:02 PM  
I also freely admit that I was under an entirely different, and entirely false presumption, upthread,
 
2013-03-19 04:15:50 PM  
Who else but a qualified victim could possibly pull Detroit out of it's blame game?
 
2013-03-19 04:33:42 PM  

Claude Ballse: Enough already. Why fight it any longer than we need to?


When kids in Detroit see Robocop, do they ask if Detroit was really ever that nice?
 
2013-03-19 04:44:22 PM  
WTF?!  This is the best EFM they could find?
 
2013-03-19 04:47:31 PM  

Aidan: So... Man. The whole EFM thing gives me the willies (especially the y'know, not will of the people part) but I do wonder sometimes... What else could we actually agree to do?


Not sure I see much of an alternative.  Good to see a few posters in here already knocking each other over to blame Detroit's woes on a Republican governor.  Keep up the good work!  The party must be defended at all costs!

It's not your religion.  It's not your family.  It's not even a group of your friends.   It's a farking group of politicians who you think you agree with the most regarding the role of government.  It's okay to admit that they occasionally fark up; Detroit being a classic example on the Democratic side.
 
2013-03-19 04:52:22 PM  
Hey here's a theory, or the plot to a bad 80s movie:

1. Let Detroit get too fail to ever not fail
2. Bring in controllable, corrupt, and possibly inept/unqualified EM
3. Let EM take the finishing blows to make it unlivable there (raise property taxes / cut services)
4. Force most of the blah communities out of their homes, demolish, rebuild mcmansion developments
5. Whitewash what happened with uplifting Detroit 20/20 revitalization crap.
6. Make the corrupt money kilpatric made look like penny candy with all of the contracts you need to now fill. Also celebrate with all your insanely rich business fiends about how you got most of the blahs out of detroit
 
2013-03-19 04:54:31 PM  
You really can't make this shiat up.

American News has just morphed into a reality tv extravaganza.
 
2013-03-19 04:59:11 PM  
Detroit is a shining success story for a Liberal/Progressive Utopia.
 
2013-03-19 05:08:09 PM  
Liens were attached by Maryland because of the $16,000 unpaid unemployment taxes for child care he (or, more likely, his accountant) didn't pay, and they're already cleared after he made the missing payments.  Now let's see if Detroit can clear an outstanding debt that quickly... didn't think so...

The anti-responsibility groups in Detroit will keep holding their breath and stamping their little feet because that's all they know...
 
2013-03-19 05:12:17 PM  

ringersol: Walker: "Detroit, why you so f*cked up? Can't you do anything right?"

To be fair: this clown was handed to them by the Governor.
Seems no-one in Lansing thought through that part of the EM law:
When you take over Benton Harbor, Flint, Pontiac and Detroit, you can no longer feign outrage at further fark-ups.
And you already used "how bad it was" and "we can do better" as your justification for taking over.
So you're pretty much out of wiggle-room to disown mis-steps, the lack of results, or to biatch about the media not being 'fair'.

Enjoy!


To be honest, Benton Harlem (err, Harbor) is so farked up it needed a financial manager. They were merely thankful that the emergency manager didn't live in the town right next door (Benton Harbor has been called the darkest town in Michigan... and St. Joseph, Michigan, right across the river, is, quite possibly, the *whitest* town in Michigan (and is one of the homes of the Michigan Militia)).
 
2013-03-19 05:17:57 PM  
I know what'll improve Detroit in a hurry! A MONORAIL!

Actually, it's like they already had one.
 
2013-03-19 05:23:09 PM  
American Problems...
 
2013-03-19 05:41:21 PM  
"The spokesman says Orr has researched the issue and will pay in full as soon as possible."

The minute he gets his hands on Detroit's checkbook i would imagine.
 
2013-03-19 05:59:55 PM  

FlashHarry: i'm pretty sure he was hired by the republican governor because he's blah.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 06:34:31 PM  

jjwars1: WTF?!  This is the best EFM they could find?


I'm not sure their criteria required "the best" or even "any damned good".
 
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