If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Some Guy)   Hillary Clinton finally catches up with Dick Cheney and Rob Portman   (althouse.blogspot.com) divider line 47
    More: Amusing, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Dick Cheney, Rob Portman, Human Rights Campaign, New York Statutes, Defense of Marriage Act  
•       •       •

2395 clicks; posted to Politics » on 19 Mar 2013 at 1:23 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



47 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2013-03-19 12:16:38 PM
Some weather vanes are slow and creaky.
 
2013-03-19 12:24:57 PM
In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.
 
2013-03-19 12:29:18 PM
...both of who needed a personal connection to change their views.  If their daughter/son hadn't been gay, they would be perfectly OK with denying rights to millions of Americans.

And at least one waited until he was out of office and had no plans to run for any other.

Yeah, real progressive.
 
2013-03-19 12:39:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: ...both of who needed a personal connection to change their views.  If their daughter/son hadn't been gay, they would be perfectly OK with denying rights to millions of Americans.

And at least one waited until he was out of office and had no plans to run for any other.

Yeah, real progressive.


oh come on it's not like cheney ever ran on a platform of an anti-gay marriage amendment to the constitution

wait
 
2013-03-19 01:24:51 PM
is this a reference to chelsea being a lesbo or something? because i don't believe she is.
 
2013-03-19 01:25:06 PM

Sybarite: Some weather vanes are slow and creaky.


Still beats the ones who never move.
 
2013-03-19 01:29:01 PM
Hillary Clinton finally catches up with Dick Cheney and Rob Portman sees a trend she can use to her advantage in '16.

FTFSubby
 
2013-03-19 01:30:28 PM
And to think the reason I didn't vote for Hillary in the 2008 primaries was I thought it took her too long to commit to a position. =D

/actually it was before she was officially running and an interviewer tried asking "Okay well would <so and so democrat who's officially running> make a good president?" and watching her lock up and not wanting to commit herself to saying so and so candidate might be good :P
 
2013-03-19 01:32:01 PM

Andrew Wiggin: is this a reference to chelsea being a lesbo or something? because i don't believe she is.


She married a dude, not that is 100% reliable but suggests not lesbo
 
2013-03-19 01:33:50 PM
At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.
 
2013-03-19 01:35:54 PM
www.Hillaryis45.com

www.Chelseais52.com

/Fanning flames
 
2013-03-19 01:36:37 PM

fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.


It ain't over until it's legal in all 50 states and DOMA, that abomination in the face of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution, is struck down.
 
2013-03-19 01:39:49 PM

Jackson Herring: oh come on it's not like cheney ever ran on a platform of an anti-gay marriage amendment to the constitution

wait


Bush did.  Cheney didn't.

/Cheney is still evil but for other reasons
 
2013-03-19 01:40:23 PM

gingerjet: Bush did.  Cheney didn't.


cheney ran on his own campaign? interesting
 
2013-03-19 01:42:32 PM
She's a Clinton.  She supports what you, the crowd directly in front of her, support right this moment, unless there's a recording device, in which case she supports whichever answer is undeniably politically expedient, or a good-sounding indeterminate hedge answer if an issue's variants don't have a clear political winner and loser yet.

Welcome to what everyone else has known for two decades of her political career.

//Not that this makes her a bad person or even a bad politician, but even as politicians go they're famous for sliding to catch the wind, man.  If you expected her to make a firm stand on a social issue before it was clear that there would be no cost, you're probably wondering who this Hillary Clinton is and whether you should have heard of her before, maybe.
 
2013-03-19 01:43:31 PM

fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.


Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better
 
2013-03-19 01:45:01 PM
Except for the fact that she supported the marriage equality measure in NY and extended benefits to same sex partners at the State Department. Yeah. Totally.
 
2013-03-19 01:46:09 PM
Rob Portman can [blank] my [blank]. If only there were some type of codified doctrine, some model of behavior and ethics, that he might have followed YEARS AGO in order to arrive at his brilliant insight earlier.

Oh, and thank you, Mrs. Clinton. Good call, that.
 
2013-03-19 01:48:14 PM
she shot someone in the face?
 
2013-03-19 01:48:32 PM

fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.


Sunshine patriots
 
2013-03-19 01:49:22 PM
fitsnews.files.wordpress.com

Needs more Natalie Portman.
 
2013-03-19 01:51:24 PM
One more thing taken care of on her '16 checklist.
 
2013-03-19 01:55:50 PM

Jim_Callahan: If you expected her to make a firm stand on a social issue before it was clear that there would be no cost, you're probably wondering who this Hillary Clinton is and whether you should have heard of her before, maybe.


Gay equality has momentum, and I'm glad to see more and more people supporting it. But we're still a long way from the point where there's no cost to speaking out in favor of it.
 
2013-03-19 01:56:04 PM

gingerjet: fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.

Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better


Here I'll spell out a little better for you.  We've already reached a tipping point.   It's not a question of whether gay marriage will become the law of the land, but when.  It's gotten to a point where there's no political capital that has to be spent for coming out on gay marriage.  Notice how the GOP barely budged when Portman announced his support.  While there still remains some legislative work to be done any effective resistance against it is basically nonexistent.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/gop-elite-embraces-portmans-ga y- marriage-switch-88936.html
 Atheism on the other hand remains the big taboo when it comes to seeking elective office in the U.S., and coming out would take a lot of courage.
 
2013-03-19 02:02:47 PM

fozziewazzi: It's gotten to a point where there's no political capital that has to be spent for coming out on gay marriage. Notice how the GOP barely budged when Portman announced his support.


Mostly because his support doesn't have any real weight behind it. Notice instead how Conservatives in New York State are still gunning for Republican Mark Grisanti who was the tipping vote in favor of gay marriage here.

You know, deep blue Liberal paradise New York State?
 
2013-03-19 02:11:33 PM

fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress

give up the possibility of holding elected office she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.
 
2013-03-19 02:14:08 PM

The Why Not Guy: fozziewazzi: It's gotten to a point where there's no political capital that has to be spent for coming out on gay marriage. Notice how the GOP barely budged when Portman announced his support.

Mostly because his support doesn't have any real weight behind it. Notice instead how Conservatives in New York State are still gunning for Republican Mark Grisanti who was the tipping vote in favor of gay marriage here.

You know, deep blue Liberal paradise New York State?


There will always be local constituencies that will attempt to hold back the tide.  Nationally any effective resistance pretty much over.

I wouldn't call all of NY state deep blue btw.  If you pulled up a map of the state by county on who voted for whom in the last election you would see half the state is red.
 
2013-03-19 02:16:27 PM

fozziewazzi: gingerjet: fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.

Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better

Here I'll spell out a little better for you.  We've already reached a tipping point.   It's not a question of whether gay marriage will become the law of the land, but when.


While I'll mostly agree with this...

While there still remains some legislative work to be done any effective resistance against it is basically nonexistent.

This is completely not true, and an extreme simplification at best. There are still broad swaths of politicians at the federal, state, and local level that are against gay marriage, including third in line to the presidency, Speaker of the House John "Drunken Lullaby" Boehner. Understating the opposition to gay marriage only gets people complacent, and we still need passion in the supporters of equal rights if we're going to finish this fight, especially if we want to finish it anytime soon, instead of playing the waiting game.
 
2013-03-19 02:43:57 PM
I don't begrudge her not taking a stand when she was the active Secretary of State.  It must have been hard enough dealing with medieval countries as a woman without a recent public pro-homosex stance.
 
2013-03-19 02:57:05 PM

Car_Ramrod: fozziewazzi: gingerjet: fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.

Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better

Here I'll spell out a little better for you.  We've already reached a tipping point.   It's not a question of whether gay marriage will become the law of the land, but when.

While I'll mostly agree with this...

While there still remains some legislative work to be done any effective resistance against it is basically nonexistent.

This is completely not true, and an extreme simplification at best. There are still broad swaths of politicians at the federal, state, and local level that are against gay marriage, including third in line to the presidency, Speaker of the House John "Drunken Lullaby" Boehner. Understating the opposition to gay marriage only gets people complacent, and we still need passion in the supporters of equal rights if we're going to finish this fight, especially if we want to finish it anytime soon, instead of playing the waiting game.


I think a good analogy was D-Day 1944.  The war wasn't over, there was still a lot more hard fighting and dying to do and the Allies didn't take their foot off the gas, but by that point everyone pretty much knew how it was all going to end.  The question was how quickly.
 
2013-03-19 03:13:38 PM

fozziewazzi: I think a good analogy was D-Day 1944.  The war wasn't over, there was still a lot more hard fighting and dying to do...


You just said any effective resistance is non-existant, but there's still a lot more hard fighting to do? Make up your mind.
 
2013-03-19 03:13:51 PM

fozziewazzi: Car_Ramrod: fozziewazzi: gingerjet: fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.

Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better

Here I'll spell out a little better for you.  We've already reached a tipping point.   It's not a question of whether gay marriage will become the law of the land, but when.

While I'll mostly agree with this...

While there still remains some legislative work to be done any effective resistance against it is basically nonexistent.

This is completely not true, and an extreme simplification at best. There are still broad swaths of politicians at the federal, state, and local level that are against gay marriage, including third in line to the presidency, Speaker of the House John "Drunken Lullaby" Boehner. Understating the opposition to gay marriage only gets people complacent, and we still need passion in the supporters of equal rights if we're going to finish this fight, especially if we want to finish it anytime soon, instead of playing the waiting game.

I think a good analogy was D-Day 1944.  The war wasn't over, there was still a lot more hard fighting and dying to do and the Allies didn't take their foot off the gas, but by that point everyone pretty much knew how it was all going to end.  The question was how quickly.


I could see what you mean there, but to quote Yogi Berra, "It ain't over until it's over."  Until gay people can walk into any courthouse in the country and get married, and have that marriage recognized in every state in the union, there's always the chance of fortunes reversing.  And that chance goes up significantly if we get cocky and act like it's a foregone conclusion.
 
2013-03-19 03:31:05 PM
To be fair, she really couldn't come out and say this while she was Secretary of State as they are supposed to stay apolitical while in that office.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:26 PM
And yes, while gay marriage my now seem like the inevitable move toward the right side of history, it's not their yet. I still can't sponsor my foreign partner for permanent residency, so until it becomes real we live in constant threat of being torn apart by thousands of miles. It very much sucks to have your relationship in the hands of politicians and the Supreme Court. I would like a little more speed in the process of this "inevitable" movement.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:54 PM

WorldCitizen: To be fair, she really couldn't come out and say this while she was Secretary of State as they are supposed to stay apolitical while in that office.


True.  And also, this was the issue she chose for her first political statement.

So there's that...for what it's worth
 
2013-03-19 03:50:03 PM

gingerjet: fozziewazzi: At this point in the gay marriage 'movement', it's over, a done deal.  Anyone coming out now are like those fence-sitters during a revolution that come out in support of whoever won when all the fighting ends. If Hillary wants to impress she can come out as an atheist.  That would be something.

Oh ... kewl!  I didn't know that!  Let me just run down to the courthouse with my boyfriend and get married!  Oh wait ... I still can't.  And I still have to jump through a million hoops and pay extra taxes to get him on my benefits.  And wills and other spousal benefits like hospitable visitation are still a fark'n nightmare.

/but thanks for telling me its a done deal ... that makes me feel so much better


Just lay back and accept it.
 
2013-03-19 03:56:24 PM

Lionel Mandrake: WorldCitizen: To be fair, she really couldn't come out and say this while she was Secretary of State as they are supposed to stay apolitical while in that office.

True.  And also, this was the issue she chose for her first political statement.

So there's that...for what it's worth


Wait until she is our next POTUS then you can see some sparks fly
 
2013-03-19 04:02:43 PM

EvilEgg: In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.


how is that a defense?
as a politician, you should make a decision based on what is right for the country, not just what is right for you.

this is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-03-19 04:29:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.

how is that a defense?
as a politician, you should make a decision based on what is right for the country, not just what is right for you.

this is why we can't have nice things.


It is a defense, this wasn't a change of heart because of what was right for her.  This was her changing what she believed was right for the country.
 
2013-03-19 04:35:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.

how is that a defense?
as a politician, you should make a decision based on what is right for the country, not just what is right for you.


Then you wouldn't be a politician.

In the real world, if you want to achieve things, sometimes you have to weigh your ideals against reality and find a compromise.  You can be pretty silent on an issue, like Hillary (though she has always been for same-sex couples having rights equal to married couples), or you can be a biatch, like a teabagger/christianist politician.
 
2013-03-19 05:14:34 PM

Lumpmoose: I don't begrudge her not taking a stand when she was the active Secretary of State.  It must have been hard enough dealing with medieval countries as a woman without a recent public pro-homosex stance.


Lionel Mandrake: WorldCitizen: To be fair, she really couldn't come out and say this while she was Secretary of State as they are supposed to stay apolitical while in that office.

True.  And also, this was the issue she chose for her first political statement.

So there's that...for what it's worth


Actually, as I pointed out above, under her leadership, the State Department extended benefits to same sex partners. She also supported the marriage equality measure in NY. She only just came out in favor of federal marriage equality protections. Until now, she has always maintained that it was an issue for the states to decide.
 
2013-03-19 06:06:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: as a politician, you should make a decision based on what is right for the country, not just what is right for you.


Oh God that made me lulz so hard.   Please tell me you of all people said that ironically. Oh lord I almost peed myself
 
2013-03-19 06:42:12 PM
Oh Hillary !  That fall must have you believing it's 1996 and your taking a courage stand.

What's next direct militarily intervention in Rwanda.
 
2013-03-19 07:52:21 PM

EvilEgg: In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.


Other than the fact that she wants to be President and can read a poll.  No, other than that it doesn't affect her personally at all.

Don't even know when you're being pandered to?
 
2013-03-19 08:06:34 PM

cchris_39: Don't even know when you're being pandered to?


Still beats your Republican Party's official platform that contains anti-gay language. The Democrats at least pretend to consider me a human being.
 
2013-03-19 08:45:55 PM

cchris_39: EvilEgg: In her defense, she came around without a family member coming out. So the issue didn't have affect her personally to make the decision.

Other than the fact that she wants to be President and can read a poll.  No, other than that it doesn't affect her personally at all.

Don't even know when you're being pandered to?


I'll take pandering in the subject of supporting equal rights for me and my partner over Republicans actively opposing my equality and my relationship any day of the week.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:46 PM
How about the idea that as secretary of state she's not allowed to espouse political positions? It's illegal. So now, ass former sec of state she can finally take a stand? That matches what everyone should have believed already? Not an apology, just a statement of timing.
 
Displayed 47 of 47 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report