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2013-03-19 09:57:40 AM  
The Civil War payments are going to two children of veterans - one in North Carolina and one in Tennessee- each for $876 per year.

$1,752!! F*cking takers....
 
2013-03-19 10:03:33 AM  
I seem to remember that the last wife of a Civil War veteran died just a couple of years ago. Or was that "the wife of a civil war vet"?
 
2013-03-19 10:10:14 AM  
It's interesting, it shows some history is closer than we might think.
 
2013-03-19 10:28:39 AM  
That's not unheard of. At age 86, Juanita Tudor Lowrey is the daughter of a Civil War veteran. Her father, Hugh Tudor, fought in the Union army. After his first wife died, Tudor was 73 when he remarried her 33-year-old mother in 1920. Lowrey was born in 1926.

Lowrey, who lives in Kearney, Mo., suspects the marriage might have been one of convenience, with her father looking for a housekeeper and her mother looking for some security. He died a couple years after she was born, and Lowrey received pension benefits until she was 18.


Damn. Dude was a playa.
 
2013-03-19 12:19:20 PM  
Step 1: Get poor folk to fight for you
Step 2: Pay lip service to their service
Step 3: Reneg on benefits to give yourself tax breaks
Step 4: No Uncertainty or ??, goto Step 5
Step 5: Profit!
 
2013-03-19 12:28:37 PM  
Don't worry the wars pay for themselves in increased productivity. It really gets the economy moving.
 
2013-03-19 12:38:25 PM  
We technically still have bonds outstanding from the 1700s.  They can't be taken off the books because they can still be redeemed, but they are most likely to be long since lost.
 
2013-03-19 01:16:42 PM  
It seems like a scam when adult children of vets are still receiving benefits well into their 20s.
 
2013-03-19 01:16:45 PM  
It's the gift that keeps on giving.
 
2013-03-19 01:18:12 PM  
Our Civil War?
 
2013-03-19 01:18:20 PM  
I'm OK with paying out benefits to vets and their children for the next 100 years.  Send the kids to college while we're at it.

I'd rather we'd never gone to war in the first place though.
 
2013-03-19 01:18:21 PM  
Time for Republican budget cuts?
 
2013-03-19 01:18:34 PM  

CygnusDarius: It's the gift that keeps on giving.


You're thinking of the Jelly of the Month Club.
 
2013-03-19 01:19:37 PM  
But Bush and Co. said Iraq would pay for itself.
 
2013-03-19 01:21:27 PM  

dryknife: CygnusDarius: It's the gift that keeps on giving.

You're thinking of the Jelly of the Month Club.

herpes.
 
2013-03-19 01:21:32 PM  
All of the people receiving these make up part of Romney's 47%.
 
2013-03-19 01:22:12 PM  

flamingboard: But Bush and Co. said Iraq would pay for itself.


Reference needed.
 
2013-03-19 01:23:09 PM  
I thought that finally ended when the last Confederate "widow" died a few years back.
 
2013-03-19 01:24:58 PM  

wickedragon: I seem to remember that the last wife of a Civil War veteran died just a couple of years ago. Or was that "the wife of a civil war vet"?


Maudie Hopkins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maudie_Hopkins

She was 19, he was 86. The Arkansas legislature passed a law in 1937 banning women who married Civil War veterans (72 years after the war) from getting a widow's pension, and they expanded it to state no pensions at all for women born after 1870. Presumably the others were okay.

This wasn't that uncommon- easy way to make sure someone was taken care of, even if the family didn't have any money of its own.

It's frustrating from a genealogical standpoint- unless you can prove the marriage, it throws you off. An age gap like that is typically grandparent-grandchild, not husband and wife. I chased one set for months before finding the pension paperwork.

Laws like this make for interesting situations. My great-great-great-grandfather owned a hill in his small town, and one day, the steel mill wanted to lay a railroad track down. He agreed, as long as there was a fee paid in perpetuity. It was a nickel a car.

We still get a check once a year. It's not much now, just about twenty bucks since Wheeling Steel doesn't use it much, but it's neat.
 
2013-03-19 01:25:19 PM  
Jesus. How much money does Larry King need?!?
 
2013-03-19 01:26:03 PM  
I got no problem paying pension to the children of Union soldiers.  Just so long as no money is going to any children of traitors from the south.  In fact, the children of Confederates should be taxed to pay for the pension for the children of the American soldiers.
 
2013-03-19 01:26:05 PM  
Just..wow. Civil war spouses. That's amazing, considering it was two centuries back. I wonder what this means to the future since humans are living longer and longer.
 
2013-03-19 01:26:24 PM  

honk: Time for Republican budget cuts?


If they get back in power they will start in on attacks on VA benefits again.
//We need to fund our current fighting force, spending money on guys who lost legs to roadside bombs is just donating to the 47%.
 
2013-03-19 01:26:55 PM  

That Magnificent Bastard!: flamingboard: But Bush and Co. said Iraq would pay for itself.

Reference needed.


Here's a reference for the 'and Co.' part - Paul Wolfowitz, congressional testimony on March 27, 2003:

There's a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.
 
2013-03-19 01:27:26 PM  
VA benes for diabetes and heart disease?  Sounds highly specious.
 
2013-03-19 01:32:19 PM  
I have one relative who fought in the Civil War who never received his benefits because his name was spelled 3 different ways...
 
2013-03-19 01:32:20 PM  
TFA: ""Without question, I would affluence-test all of those people," Simpson said."

If you want to do a database query against tax returns, knock yourself out.
If you want an accurate examination and audits? That shiat's gonna cost more than you save.
 
2013-03-19 01:33:36 PM  

The Southern Dandy: I got no problem paying pension to the children of Union soldiers.  Just so long as no money is going to any children of traitors from the south.  In fact, the children of Confederates should be taxed to pay for the pension for the children of the American soldiers.



In this weeks episode of Idiot or Troll, we find this interesting comment.
 
2013-03-19 01:38:04 PM  
Still waiting for: You mean the "War of Northern Aggression" don't you?


Sorry...It just seemed so quiet in here.
 
2013-03-19 01:38:41 PM  

karnal: The Southern Dandy: I got no problem paying pension to the children of Union soldiers.  Just so long as no money is going to any children of traitors from the south.  In fact, the children of Confederates should be taxed to pay for the pension for the children of the American soldiers.


In this weeks episode of Idiot or Troll, we find this interesting comment.


I choose both, karnal.
 
2013-03-19 01:38:56 PM  

ChipNASA: dryknife: CygnusDarius: It's the gift that keeps on giving.

You're thinking of the Jelly of the Month Club. herpes.


And war, just like herpes, it's not something you're thrilling to have.
 
2013-03-19 01:39:21 PM  

olddeegee: Still waiting for: You mean the "War of Northern Aggression" don't you?


Sorry...It just seemed so quiet in here.


My family always referred to it as "the late unpleasantness."
 
2013-03-19 01:39:40 PM  
We also pay $174k per year to every one of our senators and representatives.

If i remember correctly; we pay them $174k a year for life. 435 current representatives, plus 100 senators for a total of 535 people guaranteed to get $174k for life. That's $93 million a year. And that's just for the people currently in congress. We also pay benefits to their families.
 
2013-03-19 01:40:53 PM  

karnal: The Southern Dandy: I got no problem paying pension to the children of Union soldiers.  Just so long as no money is going to any children of traitors from the south.  In fact, the children of Confederates should be taxed to pay for the pension for the children of the American soldiers.


In this weeks episode of Idiot or Troll, we find this interesting comment.


Just idiot then, because I'm not trolling.
 
2013-03-19 01:41:31 PM  
Robert Heinlein told the story of a drummer boy who served in the War of 1812 at age 12.

When he was 65, he married a girl who was 15, and she lived to be 85.

So the last pension for the war of 1812 was paid in 1935, 121 years after the war was over.
 
2013-03-19 01:43:12 PM  
Alan Simpson, a former Republican senator and veteran who co-chaired President Barack Obama's deficit committee in 2010, said government leaders working to limit the national debt should make sure that survivors of veterans need the money they are receiving.

"Without question, I would affluence-test all of those people," Simpson said.


How true! Because as we all know, people who join the military are all very wealthy and serve out of pure patriotism.

Trust me, as a retired service member, I'm not getting rich off the benefits I earned while on active duty. Yes, it was my choice to do 20+ years, and I didn't do it just for the retirement pay and medical. But, it was nice knowing that in exchange for my service I would get some benefits (especially since they were promised to us to get us to the 20 years).

 Are there people milking the system? Yes. But that is true in any program (government or civilian).

If Congress wants to do this, why not affluence check all Senators and Congressmen? I seriously doubt that any of them would give up their benefits.
 
2013-03-19 01:43:14 PM  
In other news.

A friend of mine is still trying to get his missing half of an ankle declared as a handicap.  Instead of a scar, according to the medical records.

Several of the VA people he's talked to over the years have told them that he doesn't look handicapped.  He walks straight. He doesn't slur his speech.  He at the least wears nice jeans, a collared shirt, and good tennis shoes.  He's been told that because he dresses neat, doesn't slouch or slur, never seems to walk without any issues.  In spite of the wooden insert in his shoe that causes pain over time.

That they can't do anything.

They have told him that if he wants, they can prescribe him 3 or 4 drugs to help him dumb down so the VA will take him seriously.
 
2013-03-19 01:44:38 PM  
I'm a fiscal conservative, but the government (i.e., we) should fully honor all the promises to vets. If it was a costly promise, that's our problem, not the vet's problem.

Going forward, maybe we should adjust the promises that are made. But past
 
2013-03-19 01:45:31 PM  
... promises should be honored.

/stupid mobile interface.
 
2013-03-19 01:45:35 PM  
I prefer to provide the money to them than to persons who destroyed their lives through lack of high school education, drugs and or unsupportable pregnancies.
 
GBB
2013-03-19 01:46:03 PM  

Paris1127: I have one relative who fought in the Civil War who never received his benefits because his name was spelled 3 different ways...


Puerto Ricans fought in the Civil War?
 
2013-03-19 01:49:23 PM  
Without a breakdown on how many lazy brown people are defrauding the government of welfare this information is useless.

Furthermore, the sum total wouldn't dent the ginormous debt Farbongo is wracking up with foodstamps.

So who cares?
 
2013-03-19 01:52:02 PM  

Taylor Mental: Without a breakdown on how many lazy brown people are defrauding the government of welfare this information is useless.

Furthermore, the sum total wouldn't dent the ginormous debt Farbongo is wracking up with foodstamps.

So who cares?


There are far more lazy white people on welfare than brown people.  Fact!
 
2013-03-19 01:53:01 PM  
Bermuda59:
If Congress wants to do this, why not affluence check all Senators and Congressmen? I seriously doubt that any of them would give up their benefits.

^^ This ^^

Let's nip the "takers" in the bud and take out the most expensive accounts first. Then I'm perfectly willing to discuss the rest.
 
2013-03-19 01:54:10 PM  
I've never been paid for what the Federal Army did to my family, My birth great - great grandmother was killed during the war of northern aggression. Her and several other wives of suspected bushwhackers were being held in an old prison in Independace, MO. The prison collapsed and killed multi women. The Federals blamed the ladies saying they tried to escape.
 
2013-03-19 01:54:13 PM  
Pensions should only be paid for disability if the veteran was drafted. If you volunteered, wtf did you expect?

How fair is it to concurrently collect a military retirement pension, a va pension and social security disability pension?
Vets with IBS are laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2013-03-19 01:54:55 PM  

The Southern Dandy: karnal: The Southern Dandy: I got no problem paying pension to the children of Union soldiers.  Just so long as no money is going to any children of traitors from the south.  In fact, the children of Confederates should be taxed to pay for the pension for the children of the American soldiers.


In this weeks episode of Idiot or Troll, we find this interesting comment.

Just idiot then, because I'm not trolling.



Then the truth shall set you free...


When will the people get tired of all the mindless government spending?
 
2013-03-19 01:55:07 PM  

iheartscotch: We also pay $174k per year to every one of our senators and representatives.

If i remember correctly; we pay them $174k a year for life. 435 current representatives, plus 100 senators for a total of 535 people guaranteed to get $174k for life. That's $93 million a year. And that's just for the people currently in congress. We also pay benefits to their families.


Update: there is at least 10,000 former congress critters running around. Or, approx. $1,740,000,000 per year.
 
2013-03-19 01:56:23 PM  

iheartscotch: If i remember correctly; we pay them $174k a year for life. 435 current representatives, plus 100 senators for a total of 535 people guaranteed to get $174k for life. That's $93 million a year. And that's just for the people currently in congress. We also pay benefits to their families.


You don't remember correctly.
 
2013-03-19 01:56:39 PM  
I am a disabled veteran. I broke my body in service to this great nation and I deserve all of the few benefits I get.

Thankfully (if one can be thankful for such things) my service connected disabilities are all physical. While I have my challenges the guys I see at the VA with mental problems are the ones the nation can't possibly do enough for or be thankful enough to.

I know, disability is different from pensions but this is Fark. Rant rant rant!

/I get a very small amount of money each month and free healthcare for life.
//Thanks taxpayers!
 
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