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(Lansing State Journal)   Fox News Reporter: "This union thug sucker-punched me, I have video evidence" Prosecutor: "Well, after looking at the UNEDITED video, I came to the legal conclusion that you are a lying dumb-ass"   (lansingstatejournal.com) divider line 169
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2013-03-19 09:46:42 AM
I could careless... I just like seeing a Faux News "reporter" socked in the snot box!
 
2013-03-19 10:00:56 AM

Dixon Cider: I could careless...


It just gets worse and worse...
 
2013-03-19 10:40:20 AM
Hanging himself with his own Fox Noose.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-19 10:40:49 AM
Didn't the "Fox reporter" part tip him off?
 
2013-03-19 11:41:07 AM
I bet Fox will provide fair and balanced coverage of this.
 
2013-03-19 11:45:18 AM
that reporter was f*cking stupid.
 
2013-03-19 11:48:59 AM
Anybody pressing charges on this type of thing in the first place is a bed-wetting douche.
 
2013-03-19 11:59:55 AM

Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.


Well, yeah, he works for Fox.
 
2013-03-19 12:00:05 PM
The judge is obviously in league with the liberal media.
 
2013-03-19 12:05:11 PM
The Young Turks

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2013-03-19 12:07:29 PM
"Lying dumb-ass" is a legal term of art.
 
2013-03-19 12:11:51 PM
Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.
 
2013-03-19 12:17:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.

Well, yeah, he works for Fox.


I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.
 
2013-03-19 12:22:09 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.

Well, yeah, he works for Fox.

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.


I fully agree. However it's said that we feel that way. It would be nice to have a counter protest and not worry about getting hurt.
 
2013-03-19 12:22:48 PM

EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.


That would have been to far but he could have imposed fines for wasting the courts time with frivolous charges.

/not a lawyer
 
2013-03-19 12:32:02 PM
The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?
 
2013-03-19 12:33:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.

Well, yeah, he works for Fox.

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

I fully agree. However it's said that we feel that way. It would be nice to have a counter protest and not worry about getting hurt.


Aren't reporters supposed to be impartial, to not get involved in either a protest or a counter-protest?  If you move into a potentially violent crowd, and all protests have to potential to turn to violence, then you have to understand that you might get caught up in that violence.  If you take an active part, like say pushing one of the protesters, then you have given up that veil of impartiality and are almost certain to get caught up.
 
2013-03-19 12:36:04 PM

EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.


huh?  The reporter was standing in front of him.
There were people between the reporter and the union thug.
The union thug fell to his left.
How do you get that from that the reporter pushed him?
 
2013-03-19 12:39:23 PM

Weaver95:  he's lucky he didn't get killed.


Yeah, especially since there was a guy there who claims he has a gun and that he wanted to kill the reporter.  (in the crowder video from 48 seconds to about 60).
 
2013-03-19 12:40:31 PM

Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.


yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right
 
2013-03-19 12:43:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?


You show your bias by the use of the word "thug"
 
2013-03-19 12:45:29 PM
Now the "union thug" should turn around and sue Crowder for libel.
 
2013-03-19 12:46:12 PM

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right


if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.
 
2013-03-19 12:46:32 PM
I think the name "sucker" should be changed to Snooki punch
 
2013-03-19 12:46:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?


Case closed.  Get over it.
 
2013-03-19 12:46:54 PM
This must be part of the 45% 'news' that they report on.
 
2013-03-19 12:48:15 PM

monoski: I think the name "sucker" should be changed to Snooki punch


I can get behind this.
 
2013-03-19 12:48:21 PM
Weaver95:
I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

timujin:
Aren't reporters supposed to be impartial, to not get involved in either a protest or a counter-protest?  If you move into a potentially violent crowd, and all protests have to potential to turn to violence, then you have to understand that you might get caught up in that violence.  If you take an active part, like say pushing one of the protesters, then you have given up that veil of impartiality and are almost certain to get caught up.

He was hoping to goad someone into attacking him, duh.
 
2013-03-19 12:49:03 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I bet Fox will provide fair and balanced coverage of this.


As will Drudge, Daily Caller, and Breitbart...
 
2013-03-19 12:50:41 PM

Weaver95: Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right

if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.


Jackson Herring lives in Massachusetts. The only "angry crowd" situation we get in is when the Trader Joes runs out of organic Cabernet.
 
2013-03-19 12:50:53 PM
Figures that a libby lib liberal would not prosecute. Protecting their own and dismissing this airtight case, how churlish. Justice is weeping.
 
2013-03-19 12:51:02 PM

mrshowrules: Anybody pressing charges on this type of thing in the first place is a bed-wetting douche.


Attention seeking whore
 
2013-03-19 12:51:07 PM
This same guy was at CPAC making rape jokes about Asley Judd.

Classy
 
2013-03-19 12:51:29 PM

Weaver95: Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right

if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.


In any case, "provoking the crowd" is probably not a good idea in those types of situations.
 
2013-03-19 12:51:32 PM
Oh come on. One guy who got pushed to the ground got back up and threw a punch. And even that was played up for ratings/Republican agenda.
"Lucky he didn't get killed?" Please. This wasn't the farking L.A. riots. The guy was a shiat stirrer, stirring shiat, and he ended up getting the footage he wanted.

The fact a judge called bullshiat on Fox News' version of events is going to do next to nothing - it's like the retraction buried on page C17 (though Fox News won't actually do a retraction, obviously, and will probably still push the original story of their babe in the woods reporter being attacked by union thugs).
 
2013-03-19 12:51:43 PM
Right wing douche wants to stir shiat up, finds out what stirring shiat up means. Edited film at 11.
 
2013-03-19 12:51:50 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Figures that a libby lib liberal would not prosecute. Protecting their own and dismissing this airtight case, how churlish. Justice is weeping.


Meh.  needed more jesus.

I award you no points.
 
2013-03-19 12:51:58 PM
If you're a half-baked reporter with a conservative agenda, getting punched at a union protest is like an early Christmas present. The "union thug" should have gotten some mileage out of it and really kicked his ass.
 
2013-03-19 12:53:10 PM
qorkfiend:
In any case, "provoking the crowd" is probably not a good idea in those types of situations.

no, it's not.  sometimes you might get lucky and get that one bit of footage you wanted for the evening news lead story...or you could wind up with a broken nose and a smashed camera.
 
2013-03-19 12:53:26 PM

Weaver95: fuhfuhfuh: Figures that a libby lib liberal would not prosecute. Protecting their own and dismissing this airtight case, how churlish. Justice is weeping.

Meh.  needed more jesus.

I award you no points.


Just wait, Ingham County seems pretty demographically blue. The talking points are being printed as we speak!
 
2013-03-19 12:54:11 PM

what_now: Weaver95: Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right

if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.

Jackson Herring lives in Massachusetts. The only "angry crowd" situation we get in is when the Trader Joes runs out of organic Cabernet.


wrong, down here it's when Cousin Manny's corner store is out of chourico
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-19 12:54:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?


You try so hard. I think you should get a medal.
 
2013-03-19 12:56:35 PM
How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?
 
Bf+
2013-03-19 12:57:35 PM

PDid: This same guy was at CPAC making rape jokes about Asley Judd.
Classy


Jesus farking Christ!
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-19 12:58:46 PM

Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?


Clearly you're just a tool for the pinko commie lamestream drive-by MSM media for believing this and not the original(ly edited) video. Bought and sold by your indoctrination 'school'.
 
2013-03-19 12:59:12 PM
Fox News using O'Queef reporting tactics?  THE HELL YOU SAY!!
 
2013-03-19 12:59:52 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Oh come on. One guy who got pushed to the ground got back up and threw a punch. And even that was played up for ratings/Republican agenda.
"Lucky he didn't get killed?" Please. This wasn't the farking L.A. riots. The guy was a shiat stirrer, stirring shiat, and he ended up getting the footage he wanted.

The fact a judge called bullshiat on Fox News' version of events is going to do next to nothing - it's like the retraction buried on page C17 (though Fox News won't actually do a retraction, obviously, and will probably still push the original story of their babe in the woods reporter being attacked by union thugs).


I wouldn't be surprised if a smear campaign against the prosecutor starts making its' way around the derposphere.
 
2013-03-19 01:00:36 PM

DGS: tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?

You try so hard. I think you should get a medal.


Nah. He's already getting paid to shill.
 
2013-03-19 01:00:41 PM
On Comedy Central, funny comics pose as journalists for the sake of satire.
On Fox News, unfunny comics pose as journalists for the sake of finding any kind of work.
 
2013-03-19 01:03:04 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.


Intent usually matters in these cases.
 
2013-03-19 01:03:26 PM

timujin: Aren't reporters supposed to be impartial, to not get involved in either a protest or a counter-protest? If you move into a potentially violent crowd, and all protests have to potential to turn to violence, then you have to understand that you might get caught up in that violence. If you take an active part, like say pushing one of the protesters, then you have given up that veil of impartiality and are almost certain to get caught up.


1) They never said he push him. Never said anyone pushed him. Hell he could have just tripped.
2) The union guy wasn't yelling about getting pushed. If he did get pushed it had nothing to do with his violence. The DA just basically said that if someone pushes you (or you say that someone pushes you) you have the right to start wailing on someone. Or and this is more likely, he doesn't want to waste his time with an assault and battery case that should just be pleaded out.
3) The reporter was there with the counter protest. He made no bones about it. People do reports all the time about things they think are wrong. Most of the time they are called investigations.
4) My comment was about how uncivil our discourse is, Not saying this is anything new! Just wish it wasn't the case.
 
2013-03-19 01:03:45 PM
The Fox contributor guy who was punched voiced The Brain on the cartoon Arthur. The more you know.

His website  makes him sound like a douche, surprisingly.
 
2013-03-19 01:04:10 PM

Weaver95: qorkfiend:
In any case, "provoking the crowd" is probably not a good idea in those types of situations.

no, it's not.  sometimes you might get lucky and get that one bit of footage you wanted for the evening news lead story...or you could wind up with a broken nose and a smashed camera.


The smashed camera would have actually worked out better for him. Without the footage to prove he was a lying douche, all we would have is the fact that he is obviously a douche with no hard evidence to prove that he was lying.
 
2013-03-19 01:04:43 PM
"Crowder said on Twitter later day that he suffered a minor cut to the forehead and a chipped tooth after being "sucker-punched" four times."

Slow learner?
 
2013-03-19 01:04:47 PM

what_now: Jackson Herring lives in Massachusetts. The only "angry crowd" situation we get in is when the Trader Joes runs out of organic Cabernet.


The home of the original Tea Party *and* Shay's Rebellion... my how y'all've mellowed!
 
2013-03-19 01:04:51 PM
SO, Union Guy got a free punch into the face of that smarmy Tory? Good.
 
2013-03-19 01:05:28 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-19 01:05:53 PM
"Fox News footage flawed"

Well, there's four words I never thought I'd see together.
 
2013-03-19 01:06:09 PM

what_now: Weaver95: Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right

if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.

Jackson Herring lives in Massachusetts. The only "angry crowd" situation we get in is when the Trader Joes runs out of organic Cabernet.



img.myconfinedspace.com


Getting a TJ's in Austin this Summer..I'm so excited, I wet myself.
 
2013-03-19 01:06:38 PM

Cletus C.: The Fox contributor guy who was punched voiced The Brain on the cartoon Arthur. The more you know.

His website  makes him sound like a douche, surprisingly.


There are pages advertising feminine hygiene products that are less douchey than that page.
 
2013-03-19 01:07:22 PM
Dunning's office saidthe source of this unedited video was a YouTube posting from The Young Turks, an online news commentary show.

Oh Tina Dupuy...

d2om8tvz4lgco4.cloudfront.net
 
2013-03-19 01:08:10 PM

piscorion: "Crowder said on Twitter later day that he suffered a minor cut to the forehead and a chipped tooth after being "sucker-punched" four times."

Slow learner?


Sucker punch me once, shame on you. Sucker punch me twice, shame on me. Sucker punch me thrice...um...oops, I forget. Sucker punch me four times, and the next one's free!
 
2013-03-19 01:09:10 PM
Steven Crowder isn't a Fox News reporter, he's barely a contributor.

He is however 100% douchebag.
 
2013-03-19 01:09:52 PM

Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?


Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report?  Did he give an edited video tape to the police?  Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.  I think he just guilty of being a huge douche.
 
2013-03-19 01:10:52 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.

Well, yeah, he works for Fox.

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.


Pushing a guy to the ground probably wasn't a smart idea either.
 
2013-03-19 01:11:33 PM
Whar charges of lying under oath and filing a fabricated police report?? WaHR>>AD>FLVKRN VNERIPVH4
 
2013-03-19 01:11:59 PM

mrshowrules: Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?

Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report?  Did he give an edited video tape to the police?  Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.  I think he just guilty of being a huge douche.


He did give the edited tape to the police.  The full video didn't come out until the DA's office requested it.
 
2013-03-19 01:12:23 PM

Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?


The only reason that I can think of is because they can't tell with 100% certainty from the tape if Crowder pushed him or not. From the DA's decision it seems pretty clear that he believes Crowder pushed him, but he doesn't have the clear cut evidence to open up what will become a high profile can of worms. And just for the record, I also believe that Crowder pushed him. Who watches a person fall in front of them and their first reaction is to throw up their hands in the "I didn't do it" motion?
 
2013-03-19 01:12:41 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?


You just couldn't tell the truth or be correct if your life depended on it, could you?
 
2013-03-19 01:12:50 PM

mrshowrules: Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report? Did he give an edited video tape to the police? Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.

www.thefix.com
IOKIYAR
 
2013-03-19 01:14:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-19 01:15:23 PM
Weaver95:

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

Kinda like that chick in Stuebenville, OH ?  She just should of known better.
 
2013-03-19 01:16:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.


It's nice to see you finally come out against the invasion of Iraq.
 
2013-03-19 01:17:54 PM
One might even go so far as to say that editing video then submitting it as evidence constitutes perjury.
 
2013-03-19 01:18:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: mrshowrules: Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?

Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report?  Did he give an edited video tape to the police?  Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.  I think he just guilty of being a huge douche.

He did give the edited tape to the police.  The full video didn't come out until the DA's office requested it.


If that is the case, I think he could be charged for making false statement.  However, I think at some point, everybody should just get over the whole thing.
 
2013-03-19 01:21:23 PM

EyeballKid: mrshowrules: Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report? Did he give an edited video tape to the police? Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.
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IOKIYAR


www.thefix.com
One invisible penis
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-19 01:22:16 PM

The Why Not Guy: tenpoundsofcheese: self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

It's nice to see you finally come out against the invasion of Iraq.


+1
 
2013-03-19 01:22:26 PM

Jackson Herring: wrong, down here it's when Cousin Manny's corner store is out of chourico


I said to myself - "He must live in New Bedford".  Then I clicked on your profile link.  Bingo!
 
2013-03-19 01:27:03 PM
So how did the guy end up on the ground, and why did he think it was the reporter? You can't tell from the video.
 
2013-03-19 01:27:27 PM

monoski: One might even go so far as to say that editing video then submitting it as evidence constitutes perjury.


Or at least filing a false police report.

I find it amusing that Crowder calls himself a reporter. As far as I can tell the only reporter involved in this whole fiasco is the cameraman. You know, the guy who recorded events without influencing or interfering with them.
 
2013-03-19 01:27:39 PM
Wait, I didn't follow this much when it was happening as I had some other things going on, but there were 10,000 people protesting a ban on making joining the union mandatory for employment? Did I read that right? As in you can't legally work certain jobs in the state of you're not in a union?
 
2013-03-19 01:28:16 PM
How about a charge of perjury then?

These insane assholes need a real beatdown to stop their slick.  Lying in court is pretty frowned upon last time I checked, even Illegal.
 
2013-03-19 01:30:12 PM

Epoch_Zero: EyeballKid: mrshowrules: Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report? Did he give an edited video tape to the police? Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.
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IOKIYAR

[www.thefix.com image 468x293]
One invisible penis


No, I can see the dick quite clearly.
 
2013-03-19 01:31:23 PM

ongbok: Stone Meadow: How is 'editing the video and claiming to have been sucker punched' not a criminal offense under the umbrella of 'filing a false police report'?

The only reason that I can think of is because they can't tell with 100% certainty from the tape if Crowder pushed him or not. From the DA's decision it seems pretty clear that he believes Crowder pushed him, but he doesn't have the clear cut evidence to open up what will become a high profile can of worms. And just for the record, I also believe that Crowder pushed him. Who watches a person fall in front of them and their first reaction is to throw up their hands in the "I didn't do it" motion?


Yeah, that was pretty much the same conclusion I came to. Under the circumstances a reasonable person, seeing an innocent party fall down in front of them bends over and extends a hand to help them up...NOT play the drama-queen.

Sounds like justice was served all 'round.
 
2013-03-19 01:32:00 PM
Where in the fark is today's gun thread? I can't be bothered trolling Steven farking Crowder and abortion treads, that is way beneath my paygrade.

Maybe I'll do the abortion thread. For practice.
 
2013-03-19 01:36:09 PM
Did the reporter file charges?
 
2013-03-19 01:37:39 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Epoch_Zero: EyeballKid: mrshowrules: Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report? Did he give an edited video tape to the police? Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.
[www.thefix.com image 468x293]
IOKIYAR

[www.thefix.com image 468x293]
One invisible penis

No, I can see the dick quite clearly.


Can't "Funny" on my phone, or I would have "Funny"'d that.
 
2013-03-19 01:39:33 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 4) My comment was about how uncivil our discourse is, Not saying this is anything new! Just wish it wasn't the case.


Fully agree.   People everywhere consider you to be ultimate authority in promoting civil discourse.
 
2013-03-19 01:39:55 PM
FTFA: "I'm not holding that against him, but why would they provide the edited video? The longer video clearly shows the guy got pushed down and came up swinging," Dunnings said.

Asked and answered.
 
2013-03-19 01:40:56 PM

Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.


He isn't a reporter, he's a "contributor".  Crowder is a professional "conservative comedian" who trolls for attention.  Guess what, he got it.
 
2013-03-19 01:41:02 PM

make me some tea: So how did the guy end up on the ground, and why did he think it was the reporter? You can't tell from the video.


You're right, you can't tell.  In law, that's called Reasonable Doubt.
 
2013-03-19 01:41:11 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

Kinda like that chick in Stuebenville, OH ?  She just should of known better.


Bahahaha wtf

Never stop derping.
 
2013-03-19 01:43:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 3) The reporter was there with the counter protest. He made no bones about it. People do reports all the time about things they think are wrong. Most of the time they are called investigations


Do they? My understanding of the ethical boundaries reporters are supposed to follow is that they observe without interacting.  Can you give me some other examples where reporters cross that line?
 
2013-03-19 01:46:11 PM
I'm just going to point out that the guy who got punched is the "perfectly married douche" who deserved to get punched anyway.
 
2013-03-19 01:47:20 PM
He's about as much a reporter as Stuttering John was for Stern back in the days when he was syndicated.
 
2013-03-19 01:47:41 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.

huh?  The reporter was standing in front of him.
There were people between the reporter and the union thug.
The union thug fell to his left.
How do you get that from that the reporter pushed him?


That's a really shiatty haiku.
 
2013-03-19 01:48:16 PM
Wow, The Young Turks actually getting a mention? I always thought most online news shows were looked down upon.
 
2013-03-19 01:48:16 PM

The Why Not Guy: tenpoundsofcheese: self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

It's nice to see you finally come out against the invasion of Iraq.


Ha!!
 
Bf+
2013-03-19 01:49:21 PM

Cletus C.: The Fox contributor guy who was punched voiced The Brain on the cartoon Arthur. The more you know.

His website  makes him sound like a douche, surprisingly.


"FoxNews' brightest, funniest young Conservative mind,"
Wow.
 
2013-03-19 01:51:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If he did get pushed it had nothing to do with his violence


The fark are you talking about? As the prosecutor said, "It's pretty clear the person that they wanted to charge was acting in self-defense."
 
2013-03-19 01:51:23 PM

Bf+: Cletus C.: "FoxNews' brightest, funniest young Conservative mind,"
Wow.


Hey, the pool is pretty shallow at that end.
 
2013-03-19 01:53:34 PM

Weaver95: Jackson Herring: Weaver95: standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

yeah just a bunch of out of control union thugs, right

if I'm ever in an 'angry crowd' situation you can bet your ass i'm gonna get outta there fast as I can.


That's why I avoid family reunions.
 
2013-03-19 01:55:23 PM
I love when union members defend themselves.  It needs to happen more.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-19 01:59:46 PM
Heh... No shiat. This whole thing was nothing but an attempt by that dumbass Crowder to get some footage to drum up a little outrage (like the cretins who watch Fox News need any help with that) against "Union Thugs". Fox News viewers love a story like that almost as much as they love "scary black men" stories.

He got what he wanted and then cried like a biatch about it in the media... Took him like a week to even file charges, I think.

These people are so transparent it's comical.
 
2013-03-19 01:59:56 PM

Cletus C.: The Fox contributor guy who was punched voiced The Brain on the cartoon Arthur. The more you know.


Why do you want to ruin my childhood?
 
2013-03-19 02:03:29 PM

swankywanky: Jackson Herring: wrong, down here it's when Cousin Manny's corner store is out of chourico

I said to myself - "He must live in New Bedford".  Then I clicked on your profile link.  Bingo!


You should see what happens when they run out of Methadone at the clinics... : )
 
2013-03-19 02:09:23 PM

PDid: This same guy was at CPAC making rape jokes about Asley Judd.

Classy


I'm surprised he isn't punched in the face on a daily basis, he has that classic punchable face.
 
2013-03-19 02:17:49 PM
The dude he accessed should press charges against the reporter.
 
2013-03-19 02:26:12 PM

Tomahawk513: make me some tea: So how did the guy end up on the ground, and why did he think it was the reporter? You can't tell from the video.

You're right, you can't tell.  In law, that's called Reasonable Doubt.


You can see the reporter had his hands up long before the push took place and was to the side of the direction the guy was pushed.  It is pretty obvious the reporter was not the one that pushed him down.

So I guess now if you get pushed, you can just slug whoever you want to.  I kind of remember this as a boyhood tactic, wasn't me and point at the guy standing next to you.  The look on the innocent guys face is priceless as he realizes that he is about to get pummeled by the one that just got tripped or pushed.
 
2013-03-19 02:30:59 PM
This has been another episode of "Steven Crowder: Punk-Ass biatch".
 
2013-03-19 02:36:43 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: that reporter was f*cking stupid.

Well, yeah, he works for Fox.

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.


How was he reporting the news in any way? He was there for one reason and one reason alone. To bait someone into doing something stupid, getting it on film, editing it for the "OMGZZZ, Union THUGS!!!" reaction.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:18 PM

pxsteel: Tomahawk513: make me some tea: So how did the guy end up on the ground, and why did he think it was the reporter? You can't tell from the video.

You're right, you can't tell.  In law, that's called Reasonable Doubt.

You can see the reporter had his hands up long before the push took place and was to the side of the direction the guy was pushed.  It is pretty obvious the reporter was not the one that pushed him down.

So I guess now if you get pushed, you can just slug whoever you want to.  I kind of remember this as a boyhood tactic, wasn't me and point at the guy standing next to you.  The look on the innocent guys face is priceless as he realizes that he is about to get pummeled by the one that just got tripped or pushed.


Too late. Crowder and Fox News had a chance to make that case from the beginning, they chose to lie. They don't get to say "yeah well the union guy was still wrong" now. They lied, and had charges filed on the basis of lies. They must pay.
 
2013-03-19 02:38:18 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

I'll give him this much: The man has an extremely punchable face.
 
2013-03-19 02:42:06 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Philip Francis Queeg: Epoch_Zero: EyeballKid: mrshowrules: Did he say something he should have know was false in the police report? Did he give an edited video tape to the police? Not clear but if he did, I'm pretty sure those are crimes.
[www.thefix.com image 468x293]
IOKIYAR

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One invisible penis

No, I can see the dick quite clearly.

Can't "Funny" on my phone, or I would have "Funny"'d that.


I did it for you.

/oh, it doesn't work that way?
//never mind
 
2013-03-19 02:43:10 PM

olderbudnoweiser: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]

I'll give him this much: The man has an extremely punchable face.


His writing is just as smug:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/26/man-top-5-reasons-to-grow- up -and-get-married/

I love how careful he is to not specifically claim they were both virgins - just that they didn't have sex with each other before they got married.
 
2013-03-19 02:50:37 PM

Tyee: Did the reporter file charges?


FTA: Steven Crowder filed a police report following the Dec. 11 incident at the Capitol, which Michigan State Police had referred to Dunnings' office for review.

Then again reading is probably too hard for you.
 
2013-03-19 02:52:27 PM

Halli: Tyee: Did the reporter file charges?

FTA: Steven Crowder filed a police report following the Dec. 11 incident at the Capitol, which Michigan State Police had referred to Dunnings' office for review.

Then again reading is probably too hard for you.


This was after he first challenged the guy to an MMA match.  Totally not an attention whore.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:37 PM
I always laugh at the term, "union thug".
 
2013-03-19 02:55:14 PM

rufus-t-firefly: olderbudnoweiser: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]

I'll give him this much: The man has an extremely punchable face.

His writing is just as smug:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/26/man-top-5-reasons-to-grow- up -and-get-married/

I love how careful he is to not specifically claim they were both virgins - just that they didn't have sex with each other before they got married.


Oh how I hate you for exposing me to this. Damn you. DAMN YOU.
 
2013-03-19 03:01:44 PM

Fart_Machine: This was after he first challenged the guy to an MMA match.


Oh man, I forgot about that...

Yeah, anybody who thinks this was anything other than some poorly done yellow journalism is either really gullible or being intellectually dishonest.
 
2013-03-19 03:04:16 PM

ajt167: Wait, I didn't follow this much when it was happening as I had some other things going on, but there were 10,000 people protesting a ban on making joining the union mandatory for employment? Did I read that right? As in you can't legally work certain jobs in the state of you're not in a union?


Here you go:

"A union shop is a form of a union security clause under which the employer agrees to hire either labor union members or nonmembers but all non-union employees must become union members within a specified period of time or lose their jobs." (from WP)

The alternative, where such agreements are prohibited, is disingenuously known in the US as "right-to-work." For some reason, a lot of people in Michigan wanted things to remain the way they were, with union shops permitted. Unfortunately, a majority of the Michigan legislature decided otherwise and the governor was happy to oblige.
 
2013-03-19 03:05:11 PM

CygnusDarius: Wow, The Young Turks actually getting a mention? I always thought most online news shows were looked down upon.


Weren't they on Current for a while?
 
2013-03-19 03:09:19 PM

Fart_Machine: Halli: Tyee: Did the reporter file charges?

FTA: Steven Crowder filed a police report following the Dec. 11 incident at the Capitol, which Michigan State Police had referred to Dunnings' office for review.

Then again reading is probably too hard for you.

This was after he first challenged the guy to an MMA match.  Totally not an attention whore.


And don't forget that the local law enforcement actually publicly called him out for not filing a police report after a few days of going on all the Fox shows to talk about how he was assaulted.  Only then did he decide to press charges.  I'd guess that someone in Fox's legal department finally figured out that claiming you were assaulted only really sounds credible if you actually, you know, file assault charges.
 
2013-03-19 03:13:32 PM

Epoch_Zero: www.thefix.com
One invisible penis


And one visible one.
 
2013-03-19 03:19:54 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The Stealth Hippopotamus: If he did get pushed it had nothing to do with his violence

The fark are you talking about? As the prosecutor said, "It's pretty clear the person that they wanted to charge was acting in self-defense."


Yes, but you see the real crime is a lack of civility towards such people as The Stealth Hippopotamus and Steven Crowder.  AKA The Malkin Defense.
 
2013-03-19 03:21:59 PM

pxsteel: I kind of remember this as a boyhood tactic


Just like you remember  how A-10s can be launched from aircraft carriers?
 
2013-03-19 03:42:22 PM
Let's remove the press/reporter/union/redteam/blueteam aspects of this for a second.

The guy throwing punches was clearly in the wrong, even if he had been knocked over because he doesn't seem to have any idea WHO pushed him and you don't have a legal right to just start whaling on random people becasue you got knocked down. Completely understandable, of course, but still not acceptable in current societal norms.

And I can see that Crowder had a legitimate cause to press charges for assault, because he got punched in the face repeatedly by some guy when he supposedly wasn't the one who pushed him. (From the tape you can't see who did, but since the guy seems to have fallen from behind and to the side of Crowder, it is less likely to have been Crowder, but who knows)

And the DA or the Prosecuter has a legitimate reason not to waste tax payers dollars trying to prosecute a case with little chance of a solid conviction.

If this had happened at a St. Paddy's day parade, it would be a complete non-issue, and so to some extent I am pleased to see that things are proceeding as they should

That being said, Crowder is an opportunistic, decietful little pussy who deserves a few more punches in the face for taking this incident and trying to advance his career by ramping it up as a hyper-partisan fauxtreversy.
 
2013-03-19 03:55:47 PM
The union guy was standing his ground.
 
2013-03-19 04:03:20 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Weaver95:

I get that its his job to report the news but...the mood that crowd was in, he should have packed up and moved to a more secure location.  standing there and daring the crowd to come get him was beyond stupid.  he's lucky he didn't get killed.

Kinda like that chick in Stuebenville, OH ?  She just should of known better.


No. This is nothing like rape. Please don't compare it to rape. Crowder is an unfunny idiot who was taunting people in a highly combustible political situation. He deserved what he got.

This kind of bullshiat is from the crowd who biatches about their stupid guns and how said stupid guns are a tool to shoot liberals and the government with.

I also find it highly amusing that the same crowd who crows about the Government putting itself in their lives is totally comfortable with the fact that the Government of Michigan took steps to nullify contracts between private businesses and labor.

Big Government Conservatism at work in its finest. Come for the guns, stay for the morbid rape comparisons.
 
2013-03-19 04:06:10 PM

mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?

Case closed.  Get over it.


Even the commentator admitted that there is no evidence that he was pushed by the reporter.
If you look at the video and where they each were standing, it is obvious that the reported was in no position to push over the big thug so he lands side ways.

So yes, it is case closed.
The thug slugged an innocent reporter because he was angry that he was pushed by someone else or he tripped and fell.
 
2013-03-19 04:07:39 PM

LibertyHiller: ajt167: Wait, I didn't follow this much when it was happening as I had some other things going on, but there were 10,000 people protesting a ban on making joining the union mandatory for employment? Did I read that right? As in you can't legally work certain jobs in the state of you're not in a union?

Here you go:

"A union shop is a form of a union security clause under which the employer agrees to hire either labor union members or nonmembers but all non-union employees must become union members within a specified period of time or lose their jobs." (from WP)

The alternative, where such agreements are prohibited, is disingenuously known in the US as "right-to-work." For some reason, a lot of people in Michigan wanted things to remain the way they were, with union shops permitted. Unfortunately, a majority of the Michigan legislature decided otherwise and the governor was happy to oblige.


Thank you LiterallyHitler. I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to post an explanation and the link for me.
 
2013-03-19 04:11:18 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Let's remove the press/reporter/union/redteam/blueteam aspects of this for a second.

The guy throwing punches was clearly in the wrong, even if he had been knocked over because he doesn't seem to have any idea WHO pushed him and you don't have a legal right to just start whaling on random people becasue you got knocked down. Completely understandable, of course, but still not acceptable in current societal norms.

And I can see that Crowder had a legitimate cause to press charges for assault, because he got punched in the face repeatedly by some guy when he supposedly wasn't the one who pushed him. (From the tape you can't see who did, but since the guy seems to have fallen from behind and to the side of Crowder, it is less likely to have been Crowder, but who knows)

Either Crowder used telekinesis or secret ninja skills since none of the people around Crowder said that he pushed the guy.

And the DA or the Prosecuter has a legitimate reason not to waste tax payers dollars trying to prosecute a case with little chance of a solid conviction.

If this had happened at a St. Paddy's day parade, it would be a complete non-issue


That is probably only true since, in that case, both people would probably have been drinking and not cared or remembered who started what.
 
2013-03-19 04:11:30 PM

BSABSVR: Yes, but you see the real crime is a lack of civility towards such people as The Stealth Hippopotamus and Steven Crowder. AKA The Malkin Defense.


I know you're being facetious, but even if that's his main point...
"If he did get pushed it had nothing to do with his violence" still makes no farking sense whatsoever. If someone pushes you and you retaliate, it has everything to do with "your" violence.
 
2013-03-19 04:12:45 PM

willfullyobscure: Where in the fark is today's gun thread? I can't be bothered trolling Steven farking Crowder and abortion treads, that is way beneath my paygrade.


I read that as "way beneath my gay parade."
 
2013-03-19 04:15:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: BojanglesPaladin: If this had happened at a St. Paddy's day parade, it would be a complete non-issue

That is probably only true since, in that case, both people would probably have been drinking and not cared or remembered who started what.


Feel free to substitute the sober high population event of your choice for my analogy.
 
2013-03-19 04:18:06 PM

BojanglesPaladin:

Feel free to substitute the sober high population event of your choice for my analogy.


...But only if one of them is the thuggiest thug that ever thugged. Otherwise he loses his catch phrase for the thread.
 
2013-03-19 04:19:07 PM

ajt167: LibertyHiller: ajt167: Wait, I didn't follow this much when it was happening as I had some other things going on, but there were 10,000 people protesting a ban on making joining the union mandatory for employment? Did I read that right? As in you can't legally work certain jobs in the state of you're not in a union?

Here you go:

"A union shop is a form of a union security clause under which the employer agrees to hire either labor union members or nonmembers but all non-union employees must become union members within a specified period of time or lose their jobs." (from WP)

The alternative, where such agreements are prohibited, is disingenuously known in the US as "right-to-work." For some reason, a lot of people in Michigan wanted things to remain the way they were, with union shops permitted. Unfortunately, a majority of the Michigan legislature decided otherwise and the governor was happy to oblige.

Thank you LiterallyHitler. I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to post an explanation and the link for me.


You funny guy.
 
2013-03-19 04:35:31 PM

Eshman: rufus-t-firefly: olderbudnoweiser: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]

I'll give him this much: The man has an extremely punchable face.

His writing is just as smug:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/26/man-top-5-reasons-to-grow- up -and-get-married/

I love how careful he is to not specifically claim they were both virgins - just that they didn't have sex with each other before they got married.

Oh how I hate you for exposing me to this. Damn you. DAMN YOU.


Hey, it was that article that forced me to learn he even existed.

Gotta pay that shiat forward.

Maybe this will help; it's about his article, and it's outstanding.

http://wonkette.com/499429/fox-comedian-steven-crowder-married-for-4 5- minutes-would-like-to-give-you-marriage-advice
 
2013-03-19 04:56:03 PM

ajt167: Thank you LiterallyHitler


Seriously, man, what brought that on? Have we met before?
 
2013-03-19 05:09:34 PM
More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.
 
2013-03-19 05:10:27 PM

lordaction: More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.


Except for the fact that this never got in front of a judge.
 
2013-03-19 05:18:00 PM

ongbok: lordaction: More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.

Except for the fact that this never got in front of a judge.


Which makes it even worse.  Now they are denying conservatives their day in court completely.
 
2013-03-19 05:19:24 PM

lordaction: ongbok: lordaction: More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.

Except for the fact that this never got in front of a judge.

Which makes it even worse.  Now they are denying conservatives their day in court completely.


I hope you aren't serious.
 
2013-03-19 05:29:37 PM

lordaction: ongbok: lordaction: More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.

Except for the fact that this never got in front of a judge.

Which makes it even worse.  Now they are denying conservatives their day in court completely.


"There are levels of survivalderp which we are prepared to accept."

a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-03-19 05:39:21 PM

ongbok: lordaction: ongbok: lordaction: More proof of activist, liberal judges subverting the course of justice.  This is so sad.

Except for the fact that this never got in front of a judge.

Which makes it even worse.  Now they are denying conservatives their day in court completely.

I hope you aren't serious.


As soon as they removed the Ten Commandments from in front of the courthouse this was bound to happen.
 
2013-03-19 05:57:16 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Weaver95: fuhfuhfuh: Figures that a libby lib liberal would not prosecute. Protecting their own and dismissing this airtight case, how churlish. Justice is weeping.

Meh.  needed more jesus.

I award you no points.

Just wait, Ingham County seems pretty demographically blue. The talking points are being printed as we speak!


Holy hell, are WE the Republican's new strategist?!
 
2013-03-19 06:10:42 PM
I dunno, I see the union guy throws a jab left, grapples for a second, then really hauls off with the right...although deserved, that second one is definitely a punch.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:17 PM

LibertyHiller: The alternative, where such agreements are prohibited, is disingenuously known in the US as "right-to-work."


Yes, right wing douchebags are against freeloaders, except when someone freeloads on a union.
 
2013-03-19 06:12:29 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: LibertyHiller: The alternative, where such agreements are prohibited, is disingenuously known in the US as "right-to-work."

Yes, right wing douchebags are against freeloaders, except when someone freeloads on a union.


Well, that's because it's one of the highest forms of descent.
 
2013-03-19 06:26:51 PM
tenpoundsofderp: Checking in...
 
2013-03-19 06:28:36 PM

Stone Meadow: Bf+: Cletus C.: "FoxNews' brightest, funniest young Conservative mind,"
Wow.

Hey, the pool is pretty shallow at that end.


Like a single molecule deep...
 
2013-03-19 06:32:58 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: PDid: This same guy was at CPAC making rape jokes about Asley Judd.

Classy

I'm surprised he isn't punched in the face on a daily basis, he has that classic punchable face.


Why? He hangs out with the Party of Rape...
 
2013-03-19 06:34:43 PM

pxsteel: So I guess now if you get pushed, you can just slug whoever you want to.  I kind of remember this as a boyhood tactic, wasn't me and point at the guy standing next to you.  The look on the innocent guys face is priceless as he realizes that he is about to get pummeled by the one that just got tripped or pushed.


So in other words, this isn't actually a "now" thing, you've seen it happen for years.
 
2013-03-19 06:39:16 PM

PDid: This same guy was at CPAC making rape jokes about Asley Judd.

Classy


Yea, and he had like 3 chuckles at each of his "jokes". I think it's funny that he joked about having a union guy punch him, based on this thread and story...
 
2013-03-19 07:02:37 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

whose the guy who is threatening to shot him after the incident?

Case closed.  Get over it.

Even the commentator admitted that there is no evidence that he was pushed by the reporter.
If you look at the video and where they each were standing, it is obvious that the reported was in no position to push over the big thug so he lands side ways.

So yes, it is case closed.
The thug slugged an innocent reporter because he was angry that he was pushed by someone else or he tripped and fell.


Your guy got punched in the head and acted like a whiney biatch.  You win...I guess.
 
2013-03-19 08:51:28 PM

The Why Not Guy: tenpoundsofcheese: self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.

It's nice to see you finally come out against the invasion of Iraq.


Ohhhhhh...so nice :)
 
2013-03-19 09:08:21 PM

BojanglesPaladin: The guy throwing punches was clearly in the wrong, even if he had been knocked over because he doesn't seem to have any idea WHO pushed him and you don't have a legal right to just start whaling on random people becasue you got knocked down. Completely understandable, of course, but still not acceptable in current societal norms.


How can you argue that he doesn't know who pushed him? He may very well know who pushed him, and there is evidence even in the edited video (which is all we've seen) that it was Crowder.

That said, I don't support attacking someone because they pushed you. That's escalation of violence, not self defense.

My verdict: The union guy was a hothead. Crowder was and continues to be a douche.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:53 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I bet Fox will provide fair and balanced coverage of this.


According to a few poles... they actually will.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.


I agree. It shouldn't even include slugging someone who pushed you, or even pushing them back. If they started to do it again or came at you again, that would be different.

Nevertheless, even based on the edited video, which is all we've seen, there is some evidence to suggest that Crowder actually pushed him. If you've got something else, point us to it in the unedited video.
 
2013-03-19 09:20:16 PM

mrshowrules: EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.

That would have been to far but he could have imposed fines for wasting the courts time with frivolous charges.

/not a lawyer


Hard to prove. Has to be malice. Not just stupidity.
 
2013-03-19 09:23:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The union thug was pushed by someone else or fell.
when he got up he started swinging and hit the reporter.

self defense shouldn't include attacking someone who didn't attack you.


Tell that to Travon Martin
 
2013-03-20 01:38:13 AM

Zasteva: That said, I don't support attacking someone because they pushed you. That's escalation of violence, not self defense.


The standard for self-defense is whether those actions could have seemed reasonable at the time - not whether those actions necessarily represented the optimal course of action when viewed in hindsight.
 
2013-03-20 01:40:19 AM
That said, I'm having a hard time thinking of any scenario where punching Steven Crowder in the face might not be the optimal course of action.
 
2013-03-20 02:48:52 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.

huh?  The reporter was standing in front of him.
There were people between the reporter and the union thug.
The union thug fell to his left.
How do you get that from that the reporter pushed him?


That thug is the thuggiest thug who ever thugged a thug.

THUG THUG!
 
2013-03-20 08:18:44 AM

The Lone Gunman: tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.

huh?  The reporter was standing in front of him.
There were people between the reporter and the union thug.
The union thug fell to his left.
How do you get that from that the reporter pushed him?

That thug is the thuggiest thug who ever thugged a thug.

THUG THUG!


Not just a thug, a union thug. The thuggiest kind of thug that ever thugged.
 
2013-03-20 09:55:57 AM

Hack Patooey: The Lone Gunman: tenpoundsofcheese: EvilEgg: Good call, a better one would have been to charge the reporter with assault for pushing him.

huh?  The reporter was standing in front of him.
There were people between the reporter and the union thug.
The union thug fell to his left.
How do you get that from that the reporter pushed him?

That thug is the thuggiest thug who ever thugged a thug.

THUG THUG!

Not just a thug, a union thug. The thuggiest kind of thug that ever thugged.


Thugs rule, Corwder drools.
 
2013-03-20 12:14:24 PM

mediablitz: antidisestablishmentarianism: I bet Fox will provide fair and balanced coverage of this.

As will Drudge, Daily Caller, and Deadmoran...


You forgot WND and Freeperland.

Weaver95: fuhfuhfuh: Figures that a libby lib liberal would not prosecute. Protecting their own and dismissing this airtight case, how churlish. Justice is weeping.

Meh.  needed more jesus.

I award you no points.


And may god have mercy on your soul.
 
2013-03-20 05:09:24 PM

Zasteva: My verdict: The union guy was a hothead. Crowder was and continues to be a douche.


Which was pretty much my assesment.
 
2013-03-20 06:37:02 PM

CygnusDarius: Wow, The Young Turks actually getting a mention? I always thought most online news shows were looked down upon.


I'm a regular watcher of TYT, and also found it surprising. Not familiar with too many other online news shows; any others worth a watch?
 
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